you realize this thing is going to be outdated as soon as it releases, right? nobody wants a $900 quest 3>but muh no facebook!less than 1% of people actually give a shit about this, the steam frame will be a complete failure and mark the death of vr
>>109572678you're just mad you cant afford one and a high end PC to run it on
nice try, see you on the waitlist>expected delivery: Q3 Never
>finally brings us actual steam on arm>new golden era of portable gamingHeh, nothin personnel kid
>>109572678>less than 1% of people actually give a shit about thisNo, it's just you who doesn't care, tardlard. Facebook is a literal malware vector these days.
>incel : a man who hates girls because he cant get a girlfriend>invirt : a man who hates virtual reality because he cant afford it
>>109572678So uh, do I need to sign into a Valve account and give gaben a 3D foreskin scan to use this? If so, then it's worthless junk. Buying anything that requires giving your credentials and data is a no-go.I don't have to sign into my computer monitors.
>>109572678>foveated rendering>>quest 3
>>109572678Saw a quest 3s on marketplace for $150 might end up just buying it instead.Just how bad is the Meta integration?
>>109572678This thing doesn't even have AR
>>109573573it has eye tracking, though
>>109573577Useless if I can't project things into the real world
>>109572678$900? Why do think it's just gonna be $1050? Oy gevalt, I can't afford another yacht if it's just $1400!!! Have you seen RAM prices? I need to sell those for $1899.99 just to break even!!! And you WILL gladly pay those $2200.
>>109573501Nice try zuck :) you can use a steamdeck without a steam account. https://youtu.be/WR9ZMcscoDo?t=99 (sorry for having to link a youtube video, its the best example of the menu I could fine) I see no reason why this won't be true for a steam frame.
>>109573122the facebook integration isn't even as bad as it used to be, but even back in the quest 2 days the console outsold the xbox. nobody actually gives a shit about muh facebook spyware
>>109573418Nobody really hates VR, they just haven't found a good use case for it.
>>109572678Why dont they just release cheap Non Standalone VR headsets for Gaming PCs? Most people who buy this already have GPUs i dont understand usecase for built in hardware
>>109573822Because the whole point is for Valve to get guineapigs for their ARM translation layer without stirring up the pot for their regular customer base with jank until it's ready for the mainstream. They don't actually care about VR itself and are even marketing the frame as a viewer for playing 2D games on.
>>109573722You don't need an account to use a Vive Focus Vision or an XR Elite, but nobody cares because it means you can't access the store and can only install barely working .apk's manually. So yeah you can debate online over technicalities, but the fact of the matter is that the "standalone vr headset" experience itself is exactly that of a console, where buying content from the company store is the best and most frictionless experience. You can leave the garden, but you wouldn't really want to
>$900HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Something something motion sickness something something expensiveVR will never take off because cow dung isn't a cure for motion sickness.
>>109572678you can literally play Alyx and Half Life 2 on quest3 standalone right now
>>109573722>you can use a steamdeck without a steam account.you can't even use the PSVR2 without a steam account
>>109573418>incel : a man who hates girls because he cant get a girlfriendjews fear the lonely men so they redefined the meaning of incel to shame them
>>109572678Yes but the competition could also be asymmetrically obsolete. If new headsets ship with the standard no fucking buttons, and FOV + binocular overlap drop to use oled, what's the fucking point? Cool porn watching device dad. Also not worth $2000+ until samsung starts making the real HDR displays.Also being a PC is becoming an important feature. VR mods are in an AI renaissance right now and we are getting nuked with VR mods daily. They are up to hundreds of games playable to some level of progress in VR. The frame should be able to run up to early 2000ish games in VR.
is hl: alyx still the only game worth playing?if you're not a gorilla tag addicted preteen or a degenerate chat vr player of course
>>109573822Yes no maybe, the best selling headsets are quest 2 followed by quest 3 variants and those are standalone headsets and most of their owners don't have gaming PCs. And even among steam hardware surveys that will be PC users, quest/standalone crushed PCVR headsets. The cheapest value headset was one with computer inside it thanks to zuck's aggression. Dumb headsets got raped. It's not just about the subsidy model. Lighthouse was expensive, and you need a decently powerful processor to do optical slam. Oh and those VR cables are over $100 every fucking one of them, so it's cheaper to buy off the shelf wifi antennas then tell the user to buy a router. From there if you add memory and storage it becomes a portable headset that doesn't require a PC. So that's why they did it. It only becomes untennable with the modern price crisis. But even then, standalone is a boon to people without gaming PCs and cheaper than buying a game PC. But it's a tax on people who already own a PC. But I'm also fine with owning 2 PCs, especially a portable one.
>>109575907no. At least post what genres or games you like before asking a question from 2020
>>109574978In practice your right for most users, they want the store and I do too desu. But fact is you will have root on this device, so you actually own it, its also not fucking android based, that alone makes is worth whatever they ask. Wish it was not arm based but I guess nothing is perfect, I'll take the VR linux PC. Children online just seem very butt hurt that not everyone is laser focused on price, people can value different aspects. On a steam deck you have stuff like decky, you can mod the interface to your liking and etc... I value root and not having to jump hoops like jail braking. I would imagine someone on /g/ would understand this.>>109573822I imagine a lot of it has to do with the onboard position tracking and it being wireless, so it already needed a soc, if your putting one it, why not put in a stronger one and also get standalone functionality. Personally I adore the concept, you can watch movies and do light VR stuff (very nice when flying) But then you also got that nice wireless setup for when you want to play real PCVR games.Even if the price is too much for me, at least it got valve to fix linux VR ^_^ I can dust off my HTC vive and use it with my desktop, I still have the light house trackers mounted in my living room.
>>109573122>Facebook is a literal malware vector these daysUnironically no one cares except autists.touch grass
>>109577431>touch grassGo to bed zoomie, its past your bedtime, you have school tomorrow.
>>109572678It runs Linux. Even if I think that integrated ARM hardware and exclusive Valve software are generally kind of shit, it can still improve the general Linux VR ecosystem.Hopefully more DP headsets with pancake lenses and OLED-like screens take off soon-ish with more Linux support and more open source tracking ecosystems.>>109573071>ARMslopI think it's a good thing that they're contributing to total Android death by aiding the development of Linux on ARM, but ARM will never be a mature ecosystem as long as it doesn't have freedom parity with x86 and the instruction manual for installing software on an ARM device can include "steal it from the helpdesk while it is unlocked".>>109573573It has an expansion port, it's likely something you can just add yourself. Software for slapping a webcam on the front of a headset also exists, like MRGO.>>109573762It still runs an Android spin, which means it's bad.>>109573822Oy vey, don't question the narrative.>>109576820You need an SoC to handle SLAM and wireless, but they don't need to be integrated into the headset. There's no real reason for why these companies don't just sell ARM Pucks or contribute to x86 streaming software like electric maple, other than that the integrated ARM SoC is a good vector for planned obsolescence, customer control, ads and data harvesting.
>>109577684>It has an expansion port, it's likely something you can just add yourself. Software for slapping a webcam on the front of a headset also exists, like MRGO.Didn't think of that. But that's only half of AR. It's useless if you can't actually project things into the real world. Useless without hand tracking and other similar technologies.
You can jerk off without getting caught on the wire now they'll sell one to literally everyone with a vr headset
>>109577953There isn't some magic AR module that is missing, it just needs to run software that can do that. Hand tracking is just machine vision, which means it just needs cameras and software.
>>109576820>But fact is you will have root on this device, so you actually own itYou know what other device has root? The damn PC. The PC you will inevitably be connecting wirelessly to because the mobile SoC onboard the frame will suck for anything serious. I am really not buying the whole "but you own it" marketing angle as a good enough reason to blow ~1100$ on one of these.
>>109576820Oh, and about this:>Even if the price is too much for me, at least it got valve to fix linux VR ^_^ I can dust off my HTC vive and use it with my desktop, I still have the light house trackers mounted in my living room.While your vive was collecting dust i have been using mine over the past few years on linux and i can tell you this - Valve has not, in fact, fixed linux VR. Any development effort they could've spared for it they instead diverted to SteamOS for the Frame, which is custom-tailored to support the Frame and the Frame only. SteamVR on linux has 7 year old bugs that have never been addressed and probably never will.
inside out tracking with an IR camera so you can use it in the dark is pretty good, i will get back on my knees for Gaben. as for data sharing i already have a Pico 4 so glorious CCP already knows what VR porn i jerk it to
>>109572678I wanted to buy it because it runs Linux and supposedly you can emulate x86 games on it directly via Steam, but this shit will launch with an outdated CPU, no RAM and a trash display (same as Quest 3, which sucks)I'll wait 5 more years until they release an OLED version with the latest CPU and more RAMWhy couldn't they just launch the same product with different hardware tiers? I would pay $3000 for the best but would not pay $1000 for this crap, fuck it
>>109572678i play vrchat every day for at least hour or three.. on my valve indexFrame will be awesome, cant wait, i will pay whatever overpriced price for it, just take my money
>>109573822i will use it with the Wifi7 adapter, i dont give a shit about some slow in built ARM when i have AMD Radeon 7900XTX 24Gb vramwireless will add 8-10ms more latency tho :((( would live direct displayport like Index has
>bsb2 is uncomfortable, heats up enough to fry itself, has tiny dogshit glarey lenses, requires signing away your data to apple to buy it, and to palantir to train and use their eye tracking you paid 200 bucks for, needs hundreds of dollars for discontinued third-party controllers and base station, and cannot run native res at the advertised 90hz, effectively topping at 72hz>pimax dream air is yet another unfinished headset that will never be finished with half the specs being paper specs to scam new customers (their runtime crashes if you try running native res)>quests are good value proposition if you don't mind selling all the data about you, everything you do and any place you're in, and will upgrade to each new headset otherwise they brick it with software updatesA lot of people came from the index they rma'd like 5 times over the years to these two and were extremely disappointed because scamming customer is a normal thing in the rest of the market.I need the Frame so bad.
>>109572678Faceberger getting involved already marked the death of VR a decade ago and we've got said decade since then as the proof.
my index still works greati'd rather a hmd without a cell phone board in it
>>109573822For the Quest, the literal point of it was to create a locked ecosystem that they could later exploit. Can't really do that on PC.With the Steam Frame I think it having some level of standalone capability is more of a side-bonus of its design requirements, namely wireless PC VR and inside-out tracking. You need some hardware on-board the headset to handle video processing from the tracking cameras and you need something to handle the decoding & display of the incoming PCVR video stream. If you're implementing these requirements with some ARM SoC anyway, then giving it some standalone capability is just some software work, you already have all the hardware on-board anyway.
So... Waitlist when?
>>109579973Next Monday at best
>>109578622It's a wifi 6e adapter.I think the steam frame will have better resale value if it releases with a new half life game + android developers actually make games, but I personally think the pimax dream air SE is just better hardware for it's price, and it comes with a free prescription lens (but a reviewer said that you also need to buy a better face gasket from a different site so that you get a decent FoV, and it's basically the same panel/lens as the bigscreen beyond 2 which isn't necessarily the greatest panel, but it's also not terrible either considering the bigscreen is like ~$600 more expensive due to requiring steam index's tracking + controllers).Personally I think the dream Air does not look like a very sturdy device, if you drop that shit it's going to break. But if pimax re-releases the older budget crystal light model with eye tracking + automatic IPD adjustment (easily share the headset with other people), I think that would be the headset I would want to buy for PCVR.
>>109573501Considering its been confirmed that you will be able to flash your own OS on it you should probably just shut the fuck up
>>109572678Oh no the niche toy won't have mass market appeal! I'm sure the three retards and grifters left pretending that VR is good much less an improvement over anything will certainly be devastated.
>>109580022*oh nevermind the free lens promotion ended.
>>109579871Not the death of VR, but it definitely set VR back by 10 years of useless development>No Linux support>Used to promote Windows 10>Walled gardens>Aggressive enough poaching to discourage cooperation and open standards>Burned investment money and manpower on useless shit at low efficiency>Standalones use Smartphone design and Android
>>109572678>$900
>>109580542>he fell for tyler mcnigger's 1500 retarded guess
>enthusiast kit (different strap with hotswappable batteries) is deadsad
>>109581168oh wtf they cancelled it?fucking hell
>>109581176I mean, it was never formally announced, it was just datamined from fcc documents but those date from the very start of the year if not months before.
>>109581199True but it's sad to see it appearing in their documents, registered with the koreans, and in the source and then being removed as if it was never there. What if I wanted that strap? huh?
>>109572678VR is for vrchat faggots mostly
>>109572678I'd like something like the Index, without an integrated computer that makes the thing on your head heavier, but also more recent than the Index and in a timeline where Facebook didn't murder VR vidya development
>>109572678I think the Q2 is the peak because it was affordable. Around 300 € new, used go from 150. More would be unacceptable as its a niche product and can only be used for a small amount of games, for me No Mans High and Minecraft VR with Vivecraft.Quest 2 was amazing for what it delivered, you need a Meta account but you don't need to use it or their shitty store, ignore it and use Steam Link instead.Q3 or Pico seem to be too expensive to justify or be a considerable upgrade. Like going from Vive 1 to Cosmos and from Cosmos to Q2. THAT was a huge upgrade for me, the wireless alone was. Use BoboVR strap.
>>109573570Depends on your tolerance for it, I would say it's nothing too bad if you just want to fuck around in VR chat or gorilla tag or whatever
>>109572678Don't care. It's a standalone headset that runs SteamOS and that alone will be worth it.It's not closed down or locked down in any way. It's literally a real computer in a headset that's running Linux and you'll be able to run whatever you want on it.
>>109572678Vrchatters are their only audience
>>109572678The Steam Frame will be announced Thursday and reservations will open up Monday. Screenshot this
>>109572678Who can afford the hardware to even use this kind of thing?
>>109583766Announced as in the reservation date will be announced, which will be Monday (Valve's 30th anniversary btw)
>>109583773It's a standalone headset, it can run games on its own if you don't have the hardware to stream to it.
>>109583773Can't Half Life Alyx run on an RX 580?
>>109572678I doubt meta will bite te bullet hard enough to outcompete it by that much in this economy. Making the 'no meta' charge quite worth it even for normies.
>>109583766God I hope so. I was expecting something on the 24th regardless of the anniversary.
Can I use this to make my waifu real?
>>109585401anything less than a week out with no leaks isn't happening
>>109585567The actual indicator is steamdb package updates, if we don't see any by the end of the week then it's going to be September
>>109575792>Yes I'm a schizophrenic retard making up shit in my head
>>109585906there have been package updates and no release so its an unreliable indicatorjust wait for leaks like there was before the steam machine release
>>109587144Only a few and far between. For all releases there were a LOT of package updates in the days leading up to it.
>>109583766It was already announced in november 2025. I'm expecting it to start shipping in early 2026 as promised
>>109572678>going to be outdated as soon as it releasessteam frame won't even have hand tracking SDK or color
>>109590089there is literally nothing to do in AR, it's much much worse than VR which is already tech demo + mobile slop generalno reason why hand tracking isn't possible
Is watching anime or playing non-VR vidya with one any fun?
>>109573501the hilarious thing is that whenever retards like you post comments like this you can't but help making everything sexual, homosexual or scatalogical. poopoo peepee poopoo piss dick cunt bum. you can't stop it either. your brain is a fucking sewage fillled mess and you can't do anything about it. you don't have a point to make, you just shit all over everything like you shit all over yourself.
>>109590380>there is literally nothing to do in AR,sour grapes
>>109590573you can convert flat anime or games into 3D
>>109590760the AR part adds basically nothing but puke-inducing warping
>>109590774is this true? does it look good?let me warn you that I'm extremely gullible
>>109590820>does it look good?depends on the technology, sometimes it's perfect 3d if you use engine mods
>>109590820It's "wow nice" for a minute and then largely pointless. More hardware intensive and looks worse to boot, because you're smearing not a whole lot of pixels (relatively) all over the screen that's right up in your face.And the standalone headsets are all shit for watching anime or whatever because, again, their resolution is so low you'll struggle to match 1080p quality even if you make the virtual screen retard massive.
>>109591516I seethanks
>>109572678No hand tracking is kinda disappointing given how much I ended up using it on the quest 2
>pico swan will launch on sept 2https://fxtwitter.com/Jacky2Chau/status/2089929863797035062hurry up gaben you lazy hack
>>109572678why thank you captain obvious, yet again you saved the day!
Don't care. It runs linux, and if you are poor it's your own fault
>>109580022>new half life>pimax worth buyingThis user is delusional
Soon, brothers, these just dropped. Both on arm64 client and on the storefront backend.https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/01-unboxing.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/02-fitcomfort.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/03-ipd_adjustment.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/04-sign_in.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/05-wireless_adapter.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/06-ergonomic_accessories.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/07-installing_controller_handstrap.mp4https://cdn.steamstatic.com/store/steamframe/welcome_videos/08-installing_headstrap.mp4
>>109572678I think you don't get the idea of having a PC VR headset from valve. This is for someone who wants to get in but you know, index is dead. I want valve hardware, and the whole bit with it having an sd8gen3 is a big selling point.
I'm interested in the Steam Frame. It'll be a VR headset running an ARM-based Linux with software to emulate x86 games. Unlike Quest 3, you won't have to put up with that Meta/Facebook bullshit. I'm also highly interested in the idea of Valve making a Steam Phone. It seems like an obvious next move.
>>109595249>Steam Phonekekbut I do want to see the next step in their masterplan, it's obvious they're not developing shit to run games on ARM just for the frame, maybe steam deck 2 will be arm?
>>109595322>maybe steam deck 2 will be arm?why the fuck would they do that?AMD actually cooperates with valve and they get to fiddle with the hardware and the drivers all they wantunless they can buckbreak qualcomm into open sourcing their stack and other arm designers follow suit it's nothing more than just valve expanding, it's not their main audience
>>109595612>why the fuck would they do that?because even if yes they have a good partnership with AMD, they are not innovating or progressing at all for mobile chipsso much so that the strides qualcomm (and other retards but please please please don't use m*diatek) are doing look VERY interesting for a low-power gaming usecaseit would be a TREMENDOUS waste of ressource to bother with fex otherwise
>>109595635the only way you innovate on mobile chips is by using new process nodesthe isa is fucking irrelevant
>>109594920when the frame is sus
>>109594920>ipd lockThat's a nice QoL coming from Index.
Is there a wired option that's lower latency than wifi ?
>>109596083most of them are, but there's no good wired headset on the market
where the fuck are you guys getting this 900$ did it leaked somewhere
>>109594920>04-sign_in.mp4>"steam frame requires a steam account to use">05-wireless_adapter.mp4>"log into the same steam account on both your headset and pc"wasn't the whole point vs the quest was that you can use it however you want and you don't need this forced account bullshit?
>>109596218this is the normoid goy installation videolikely same as the deck, only linux desktop mode without an account since gayming mode is literally just steam big picturealso bootloader isn't locked, this isn't a goyphone
>>109594920just in casehttps://litter.catbox.moe/ssw57qe6w024r7pu.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/5ono7n37m1b6rndw.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/km56dtd6yb246jdd.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/glgf9cugm6xqpkt8.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/punrtvhqfxfepa57.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/9yp5xtfztgdlco8s.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/j28tqjl9y5jrogfy.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/osedev0i4uh96ibe.mp4
>>109577970Yeah but if the person is quiet and sneaky you won't know they are there and you'll be jerking off in front of them totally oblivious as your blasting rope for Renamommy.https://files.catbox.moe/slaslm.mp4
>>109572678I want a VR headset but they all cost too much.Ultimately the only use case is pornogaphy and for immersive driving sims. Most VR games are a meme. VR google earth seems cool though
>>109597965google is killing that
>>109597975Classic Jewgle
>>109597965>>109597975Isn't that just Street-view?
>>109572678I am so excited for this.In the midst of all this horrible AI apocalipse and overall bad news about technology, I feel like VR is the last thing I can be excited about new techs.Fuck, I think it might be the most excited I've been for anything tech related since I first saw Super Mario 64 in motion.>>109590089Speaking of which, pretty cool! What tool?
>>109599002I'm under the impression that the Steam Frame will be an ARM Linux computer. If you REALLLY wanted to, you could turn it on, ignore the Steam login, go to Desktop mode, and strip away all of the Steam stuff. Nobody would actually want to do that, but it's your computer and you can fuck it up however you like.
