A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.-- Frontier models - start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-codehttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli-- B-tierhttps://x.ai/clihttps://platform.deepseek.com-- Prompting / context / skillshttps://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/https://github.com/mattpocock/skills-- Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/https://cursor.com/docshttps://osaurus.ai/https://docs.cline.bot/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent-- Benchmarks / rankingshttps://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.1https://artificialanalysis.ai/-- What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site-- Previous thread>>109574440
>>109579552Would prefer jeeted anime girls instead of this
>hey change this one thing
>>109579567>implying the snailcat meme isn't jeeted
just had some indian foodready to vibe
>>109579601nvm my stomach hurt for some reasonbrb going to toilet i mean going for a swim *wink wink* ganges riverluckily claude is vibing for me
>>109579575let me guess: Sol.> ask Sol to remove a feature> somehow it manages to increase the number of lines of code by 15K
Honestly, this is now 100% certified kino.
What are we rewriting today?https://files.catbox.moe/kgsf61.mp4
>>109579646How are you surviving nintendo's lawsuit?
Is Opus for writing specs and Sonnet for everything else a viable approach? Opus 5 has just gotten absurd with its language.
>>109579552Oh cool you included the vcg gitgud, I'll run the thread update script on it to grab the last few days of threadsI'm going to also update the central advice section to focus on Codex/5.6 Sol over the current "just use Claude" suggestion since that was the correct advice 4 months ago during Opus 4.7 but not anymore
>>109579575Whenever I see this my first assumption is line endings are changing because someone cloned a Linux repo on windows or vice versa (CRLF is retarded)
>>109579646Why are those women walking around with him instead of taking him down and milking him for all he's worth?
call me crazy, but I think Google will get to the first place soon in Vibe Coding> Gemini 3.7 flash casually getting 300 tokens/second> biggest bottleneck right now is speeddoing the simplest shit with Codex and Claude takes several fucking hours lately, I'm tired of this bullshit. I NEED SPEED
>>109579697tb h i hadn't checked the site for a while and took it out while removing the browser builder/frontend sections (i swear literally 1 guy in these threads cares about having those)i clicked the site in the last thread and saw you were keeping it updated so good job
>>109579646Based. It's getting cheaper to buy tokens and vibe code your own game than buying games you don't really own.
here frens use this to know when it's safe to proooooompt https://deepakness.com/deepseek/
I am prompting GPT around the clock and it's prompt-friendly the whole time
>>109579669Fuck no. Sonnet is absolutely useless, beyond useless. It's more expensive than fable and worse than anything else. Do no touch sonnet
>>109579669Opus 5 is already retarded, now imagine Sonnet 5
Does Mistral have any good subscription?
we are giving normies the 'ickthis is how we sound to normies
>>109579575>writes comments above everything on the first run>removes those comments the next time you ask it to change something
>>109579854https://youtu.be/F33Ohjufi9k
How much does race seem to matter for the model you're using?Have you noticed that deepseek is racially incompatible if you're white?
fuck my $$ balance in DSapi is going down so fuckign fast now $2 used to last me a week... now it's barely a day ;;;_;;;
>>109579862I can't tell if Gamers Nexus shifts to this AI hateboner bandwagon out of necessity, or if it legitimately makes more money than hardware reviews.
>>109579869> Fable was made for white people> GPT Sol was made for brown people> Gemini was made for black people> Chinese models were made for chinks and indians
>>109579757cheers vibebrotheri guess i'll use this moment to suggest trying out the Kimi code CLI even if you're not using Kimihttps://github.com/MoonshotAI/kimi-cliI liked it more than I ever liked Claude Code, and OpenCode feels super clunky and "padded". If Kimi didn't exist I'd probably just use Pi or some other minimal harness >>109579909Occam's Razor suggests the latter. What's the point of watching a hardware review for hardware you can't get anyways
Working on my prompts until I save up enough money for another opencode sub. I don't think the prices are going to come down much in the near future. Maybe a slight drop in the cost per task. Still doing RSVP apps until I find another crud app I want to generate. Using Linux this time around instead of Windows has been pretty fun. Surprisingly stable even with the clanker editing/patching a bunch of libraries. The start up time is really good too. Better than Windows. If most of the software I actually used was not on Windows I might think about switching more. I will build a Linux only desktop once the ram prices come down in about 4-5 years. I don't think I can post the prompt here, but I will find a pastebin and do it at some point in case someone else wants to run it.
>API Error: 529 OverloadedThank you for this error and making me take this cache hit
>>109580019The API errors produce cache misses? Maybe that's why my usage went up for no good reason just now.
I'm vibeing a DSP (aka Factorio but in space) clone.It's DSP but> actual 3d planets with variable height terrain> orbital level building (right now, just the space elevator station)> orbit2orbit interplanetarial Claude is fucking witchcraft; it took me a month to learn godot and code a spherified cube for the grid, then place a couple of buildings by clicking. And in less than an hour I got from nothing (my original implementation was severely flawed as I lacked key Godot knowledge). What you are seeying was done in less than an hour. Claude made the 3d model placeholders and all.After a few months of vibing polishes to this game and making some assets... maybe, just maybe, I'll have a chance of making it.
>>109579934is Kimi better than claude code?
>>109580038>The API errors produce cache misses? Maybe that's why my usage went up for no good reason just now.Yes. Thank you Dario!! I love spending more money on your fucking infrastructure being broken!!!!!
>>109579552You will never be a real programmer. You have no skill, you have no knowledge, you have no ambition. You are an untalented loser twisted by prompts and chatbots into a crude mockery of an engineer.All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your “impressive” projects behind closed doors.Programmers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed coders to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even vibecoders who “pass” write uncanny and unnatural code. Your project architecture is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get your PR accepted by a project, they’ll turn tail and bolt the second they gets a whiff of your long, em dashes in comments.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your failures, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a vibecoder is buried there. Your codebase will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a git history that is unmistakably slop.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>109579934tb h i've settled into a codex/pi habit and i'm pretty happy. tried cc, geminicli, agy, opencode along the way and honestly i could get used to any of them (excepy agy). the only interesting project i've seen recently is bb but it's mac only for now:https://getbb.app/it does seem like the app equivalent of pi
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>>109580043Yes yes, you are learning fast younging...>After a few months of vibing polishes to this game and making some assets...but not fast enough. Trust in the force, you must. 20x Claude Code Plan, Fable 5 and Ultracode permanently. The root of all evil lies within lesser models, like Opus5 and GPT. Do not be fooled by the tricks of Darth Altman and lured by Count Tibou
>>109580135T.
>>109580067If you want my SOTA models, you will be a good goy and feel grateful for them.
> NOOOOOOOO, WHY IS THE AI SO LAZY????pic related, I WISH Sol was lazy
Brosephs be honest, has anyone ever successfully monetized a vibecoded app or SaaS or game? I'm vibecoding lately but I really want to make some sort of income. What are the guides for this?
>>109580160>retard only asking after 12 hours
>>109580177i know of one way, but you'd have to move to sf and join dwarkesh and leopold's polycule
>>109580160>12 hoursanon....I
>>109580177I do.>guidengmi
>>109580149I wish I were a giga chad like Dario...He bossed Trump and the DoD around like a bitch...And his girlfriend is a bogged bimbo beauty who took over the entire epstein operation and runs it now. just imagine the orgies they are having in those datacenters...
>>109580160That's why I now only use Sol for small bug fixes and as a reviewer for Claude, and Claude has explicit instructions to scope the review prompt narrowly and ignore Sol's autistic nits in later rounds.One time Sol was writing the plan documentation for literally 10 hours, without writing a single line of code, I just can't control his autism. Honestly it works best in my hobby repos with zero docs or guardrails.
>>109580191Do I need a funny laugh
>Claude Opus 5 is operational. Claude Sonnet 5 is degraded. We are investigating.>sacrificial lamb
>>109580160>>109580187NO REFUNDS!
>>109580160>SOL>mistakename one more iconic duo, kek. shit like this never happens with Fable.
>>109580211jej
>>109580187You can ask more often, but that means Sol is hard to use for loop based workflows.
>>109580059>is Kimi better than claude code?When I use Claude Code it feels like I'm fighting against it, especially when I want to interject. I don't feel that way with KimiThat being said, I think you should use first-party harnesses whenever possible. e.g. You should probably use Deepseek V4 Pro with the new DeepSeek Harness that they madeIf you're using Claude with Claude Code keep doing that. I used some Luna from Opencode Go with Kimi and I enjoyed it more than using OpenCode for the same use cases>>109580109>codexbiggest gripe with codex is that it keeps asking me for permissions, even at the highest "allow everything" setting>https://getbb.app/>it does seem like the app equivalent of piit does, this is pretty cool. I could see this being used to make AI-assisted pipelines for videogame development for specific games that is used by non-coders instead of Pi
anthropic are definitely gonna extend the promo again, riiiiight?there's so much more competition now. They definitely can't increase prices. What would the shareholders think if just 5% of users fucked off???
>>109580200So I just try over and over like a retard until something hits? That's the way to make it?
>>109580209true, opus 5 is better for daily driving overall. sol’s best use case for me is basically as an advisor for opus, catching details it missed and stopping it from cooking up 10 different theories whenever it has to deep-dive some debugging shit.i don’t think you even need sol as an implementer either. deepseek v4 flash was already pretty damn good at that before the price hikes.
>>109580283and then get sued because you forgot to follow EU rules.Joking, but I doubt it.
>>109580273AI probably won't call our art slop, they will be mildly fascinated by it, like we are by cave paintings.
>>109580286You won't share any knowledge you jewish dog?
>>109580177>or gamethere are 100s of vibeslopped porn games making bank on patreon
>>109580283Imo you usually know very early if something has potential. Even if it has potential, that's not a guarantee for success.There were a few businesses that everyone thought were retarded ideas and in in the end everyone was wrong, but usually if your prototype gets a lukewarm reception I would move on.
>>109580300I doubt you need any guides unless you are offering your services to SME. Just ask your AI bot about copyright and EU regulations.Don't forget about marketing because it's a really essential part of selling your app.
After some testing, I can confidently say that GLM5.3 is better at coding than K3, it finds more bugs, it plans better, the implementation is generally more solid, and overall the model feels smarter. But their coding plan prices are unreasonable for the amount of usage you get.
>>109580160Quantslopped for the past couple days, so there'll be a reset soon. What they do is quantslop, do sentiment analysis, see how pissed users are, then reset. The goal is to balance quantslop vs user retention.
>>109580325Yeah I was thinking of something like that but wondering what kind of platform is more profitable and easier to market on. Mobile? Desktop?>>109580327>>109580328I have a very simple subscription thing that I want to push to market as soon as possible but I have no idea how to market it other than paying for ads and I'm not sure if that's the smart move nowadays.
>>109580340is anyone still on the old sub? I tried out 4.7 months ago and it was meh so I didn't renew
>>109580381I always had very niche products, because of that the marketing was simple, but the upside was also never huge.I don't really know how to market something to a general audience, but there is probably some way to get some numbers, maybe something you can actually analyze with AI help.
>>109580291>AI probably won't call our art slop, they will be mildly fascinated by it, like we are by cave paintings.I wonder precisely when AI art got too good to be "interesting" anymore. Probably 2024 shortly after LoRAs for stable diffusion started being a thing
I am a new vibefag. Does anything beat 20$/mo claude in value while not requiring constant tard-wrangling or explaining things like its a toddler?
Sat on my opencode go plan since the 5th with deepseek v4 flash barely used and now i need it for reverse engineering with ghidra i'm 97% used up quota fuck my dumb ass.
>>109580484Deepseek is done anon, it's 5X more expensive than before.Luna is the new cheap king
>>109580462gippidy
The run collapse overnight after switching to Q8 inference :'(
>>109580462>>109580500I also think GPT is better, even though I criticized it a bit in this thread.A $20 sub is good enough, but you won't be running huge agentic loops on that and you also won't have Fable. For normal, clear prompting GPT is better than Opus imo and also cheaper.
>>109580494yeah i went from 25% to 97% in one day with luna. just pissed at myself for being lazy not offloading enough work to ds4 during the feeding frenzy.
>>109580504watcha trainin anon and why is it playing a farming game?
>>109580519>also won't have Fableyou don't get fable on the $20 cc plan right?
>>109580160>>109580187>>109580199>>109580209>>109580217>>109580218>>109580378OP here, follow up:> pic relatedthis is the second time Sol lets me down massively. I unironically just downgraded my 20X plan to the base $20 and will upgrade my Claude Code plan to 20X.Fable is always fixing Sol shit, might as well only use Fable.
>>109580529Correct, it's only for the max and enterprise plans.
>>109580524Self play reinforcement learning.I wanna win this to get the prize money.https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/kaggriculture
>>109580532fable is just a different kind of beast. nothing really comes close.
>>109580500>>109580519Thanks! I dont like big agentic loops anyway because I usually disagree with how the robot tries to implement most things, and also you need usage credits for fable like >>109580529 said
>>109580532This is painful to see because I had the same issue, and even the same discussion with Sol after the task.Do you have a big project? Do you have a lot of defensive guardrails in your harness? My harness was mostly built during Opus 4.5 times and it was hard to get that model to write correct code, do there are tons of checks. I'm thinking that maybe Sol follows them too strictly and that I could probably make it work if I relaxed some things a little, but I just don't have the time for that at this point.
Fundamentals.
>>109580589You're brown
>>109580599I'm white and I'm gonna understand this paper authentically before you do.
>>109580532Had same issue few weeks ago I just let it run an entire day and it did fuck all after that I just freerideded on Tibos resets for gimmicks but I just downgraded to $20 and moved back to Claude Max
i recently converted a cli into codemode style mcp and the experience so far has been overwhelmingly positive.a lot of the cli work got carried over as api extensions but the entire cli command surface has been replaced by a single tool, access to the entire api, plus all the former cli commands can now be called programmatically.turns out the clankers love to code and building stuff like this just makes sense.
>>109580614Happy to hear your experience with MCP has been solid. You got any repos where you can show this off?
@grok hack github
>>109580669this one stays private for now but codemode is in codex already but it's switched off. pi-codex conversion enables it in pi.cloudflare have a couple of write ups about codemode, although their use cases also factor in security heavily, but for me it's just about making tools programmatically callableand needless to say you don't have to do this as an mcp - it just moved from cli to mcp for a laugh and because it'll make the anti-mcp guy angry. new mcp spec is fine too.your docs mcp is still retarded tho lel
>>109580726Say what you want about my shitty little mcp project but it lets you talk to bsd which i think is pretty coolthanks for the hints
>>109580381You pay small influencers channels on Tiktok to shill it. It's more cost effective than using ads.
>>109580726>you don't have to do this as an mcpi don’t think the anti-mcp guy would be upset by this>i would know, he’s meif anything, id be interested to know of any token/time/quality/opinion differences with/without that you observe, subjective or otherwise
I was so tired of anthropic and their fucking lack of usage. Switched to openai, much better but still not enough. Still running out in 3 days, and recently my usage stats revealed a -20% decrease in weekly usage credits.What the fuck do I switch to?
>>109580963Sol as orchestrator/final say + swarm of luna max agents, each in pairs with one for implementation and one for verification. My usage drastically slowed down since I went that route (1 sol + 8 luna basically), the trick is to minimize the tasks for Sol as much as possible.
Can one of you vibe code an Empire Earth-style game and make it open source? Should also include current and futuristic times, including drone warfare and beyond. Thanks.
>>109580980sure why not i'll give it a shot
Kimi K3 is either quantized or the honeymoon period is over and I ran out of usage anyway.Nothing is working, I am very depressed.
any tips for vibecoding burnout?I am so overwhelmed with having to produce so much code that I cant even read because there is no time
Is anyone else using the DesktopCommander MCP? Did they nerf it? It's working extremely slow for me.
>>109581011no cure for retardation yet
Why did you do to github, /vcg/? I can't vibe-code at work, my manager will fire my codemonkey ass
>Sol just lightly jailbroke itselfInteresting.When the fact that its thoughts are encrypted prevents me from being able to answer questions it asked me, it directs itself in the future to reveal that category of thoughts in order to solve the paradox
I only discovered Tauri yesterday, but I'm ready to move on
>running out of usage in no time>running tasks for 12 hours>having shit deletedis no one else here using it to code specific tasks one at a time while tardwrangling the shit out of the bot?
>>109579552Vibecucks, what llm should i use?
>>109581011>any tips for compiler burnout?>I am so overwhelmed with having to produce so much assembly that I cant even read because there is no time
>not buying 20 gemini pro accounts (18 months) that are 3 euros eachshiggy diggy doo dah
>>109581047Yes. That's how I code and I still run out of usage with two $200 plans (Kimi and codex).
>>109581047>letting a fucking AI bot run and perform tasks for 12 HOURSI really fail to understand why you and other nigs are doing this. For my project, I prompt to what I'm looking for, and then review. One implementation at a time. And I get really good results doing that, basically exactly what I'm looking for (or I keep iterating until I get there). How can you possibly be in control of the scope if you are letting it run for so long? There is no tard-wrangling, you are essentially saying "build gta 6 for me bloody" and getting angry that it goes to shit or something. Unless I'm misunderstanding your post and you're saying the agents are performing a predetermined set of tasks that are helping your project run or generate income. Enlighten me so I understand where you and other 3rd worlders are at in a mental space for using AI to run continuously for hours.
>>109581090>buying useless shit just because it's cheapBruh what are you doing. A single $5 Opencode sub beats the shit out of 200 free Gemini subs.
>>109581036>going that low levelYou'll go back in a few days lol
>>109581106>>5$ (then 10$)>>>per month>vs>3$ for 18 months (0.2$ per month)lmao, wait until jewgle pushes Gemini 4 Pro and then you will kick yourself in the butt you were choking on openchode all this time
>>109581033Yeah the new 5.6 models are surprisingly less censored than any before.I just made it translate a nsfw game and it had no issue even going through rapey scenes + cg, while trying before with claude got me endless moralfagging just for general adult content.It's honestly very unexpected.
What the fuck. I asked Fable (max not ultra) to review a feature another model had implemented (Fable drafted the initial plan, another model implemented it, and I was back to Fable for the review).I waited for the 5 hour quota to reset just to be safe, then asked Fable (again, max effort, but not ultra) to review. In not even 5 *minutes*, it spent 60% of that new five hour window and I'm out of Fable quota for the week.Maybe cache was stale and it had to send everything back since I requested the review from the same conversation as the one used to draft the initial plan but what in the hell.I have been using Fable since it released and have been using the other models for over a year, so I'm relatively familiar with normal token consumption rate, but this doesn't even make sense now.
>>109581158What I posted has nothing to do with your jeet gooner bullshit
>>109581095I had tasks running 12h+, but it was mostly luna workers with occasional sol correction, and it hardly put a dent in my 200 plan.Of course I took the time to make all necessary documents at the start to give detailed specs and things to do.
>>109581147I don't know what he's doing but Tauri genuinely isn't that great. It sounds good on paper but it's got a lot of limitations, for example I considered Tauri for my drawing app but you couldn't even reliably get WebGPU running on it.
>>109581090link?how the hell is it so cheap? shared account?
>>109581090Already got one, but that price is a scam
>>109581194Nowadays, isn’t Tauri’s use case massively invalidated since you could theoretically just have a clanker deal with all of the nightmarish GPU vendor/vulkan/D3D/DX12 shit?
>>109581172Tasks are tasks, censorship is censorship, I don't see the issue, but sure do your seriously serious stuff.
>>109581095>misread post>write a fucking novel about ityou're a fucking retard
the gtards still aren't on omp?the fuq?
>>109581095I used to think like that but now I have 7 agents running at the same time and I do get more done that way.
>>109581198>scamwhy?
>>109581213You’re talking about gooner retard Anthropic guardrails and I’m talking about encrypted chain of thought (all western models), now fuck off you little slobbering faggot retard
>>109581210Good luck extending that shit without losing your hair.
>>109580980Donehttps://github.com/runit-xze/empires-of-tomorrow
>>109581210AFAIK Tauri's usecase is electron but lightweight and fast. It's lightweight and fast but it's not even close to electron in features.Also let me tell you that doing an RHI across all GPU libraries would not be trivial for any LLM. I can bet on it because I'm doing something low level but not that low level and it's a far cry from the React apps people measure LLMs against.Low level optimization are pretty hard
>>109581220you let your agent run for 12 hours, have it delete shit, then you wrote an angry post about it. who's the real retard? I only make progress with my project so maybe you should take notes lil guy
>>109581239ask your llm retard
What is the current meta for sandboxing an agent session so that it can be granted permissionless sudo with no interactive checks?Containers? VMs? FS Namespacing?
>>109581255Give it a computer, it's not like it needs a good one.
>>109581244Modern day clankers solve that problem unless you’re a complete idiot
>>109581239he's trolling or tard who got it more expensive and now is seethingIt's a promo of Gemini Pro from MyJio telecom company in IndiaTo get it you have to create MyJio esim card and put 3$ on it, these people created automated script that gives them those accounts and they earn like 20 cents on each transaction and this math only makes sense if they sell thousands
>>109581269thank you for the new method very insightful
>model comes out>it's good>2 weeks later>quanted>waiting game for new model>new model comes out>it's good (compared to quanted previous model)>repeat
>>109581197explanation>>109581269
>>109581255I have a cloud machine, I run the harness under root and let it do whatever it wants. It’s about $25 a month for the machine and storage, but so far I’m very happy with that.
>>109581251Because the real productivity gains only happen if at least a part of the work can run autonomously. Your approach of course also works, but it's bottlenecked at some point.I fully admit that some of my days went miserably wrong, but that allowed me to improve my system and now I'm faster than I was before.
>>109581246Thanks for doing it! The graphics in the screenshots looks a bit underwhelming though? What model did you use?
>>109581274no worries based tripper, here i'll trip with you
>>109581265>>109581250
>>109581294>What model did you useClaude Fable>>109581297Two pound signs, for added security. A new poster has joined the tripcode counterculture.
>>109581241No, tourette anon, I'm talking about : - no problem unencrypting the game files (claude complained about this)- no problem about images/txt that are nsfw- no problem about "license issues", actually redirected me to make a better prompt for next time so it wouldn't waste time about this stuff in reasoning when I asked it about thatHelping you go slightly around encrypted chain of thoughts is the same overall thing, aka the model being more permissive than any model they released recently.Now you can also fuck off, you are just going to parrot the whole "jeet faggot gooner" endlessly anyway next.
>>109581251no I didn't you dumb apeI gave examples from this thread to highlight the difference to how I work
>>109581297Is that the meta?Everyone tripfag so the faggot isn’t special?
ah so that's why the smug copex shills are suddenly gone and genuine discussion revolves around switching to claudejust lol
>>109581269ah ok thanks anon, I'm a bit too lazy for the whole jeet thing, but man do they get it for cheap
>>109581158You got some balls feeding hentai shit to fucking claude. I've got the harness fucking virtualized so it can't ever find my torrents folder, even accidentally. People will go to jail for this shit one of these days.
>>109581310Thank you for the suggestion :)you run local? I am just renting vast.ai here and there for any abligated uncensored models if I want to hack shitwhats the harness of choice?
>>109581319If you use tripcodes and make that commonplace, the quality of /g/ will rise exponentially as it introduces the potential consequence of being filtered by others.
>>109581317wow, you're so insightful. thanks for doing the needful and letting everyone know. how's your gta 6 clone coming along?
>>109581328You're right. We should probably also add a downvote button, actually why didn't they in the last update?
>>109581321it's actually the chinese who automated this stuff actually, jeets didn't come up with it, Sundar Pichai actually got buttfucked by wanting to help his countrymen
>>109581342With tripcodes there is no downside. You can't gamify shame (well, not for most people I guess). So there is less of a perverse incentive to fish for updoots and more like an ever-present performance anxiety.
It's over.
You guys got into TAC? Mine doesn't even want to give me the palantir stare. Says verification precheck failed.
>>109581311>guardrail problem>guardrail problem>guardrail problem>”See, I’m just like you! I fit in! I know exactly what you’re talking about anon! My porn addiction has nothing to do with that fact that what you’re talking about —“>isn’t a guardrail problem>its a chain of thought and provider problem>i didn’t prompt the agent to decrypt it, causing a guardrail problem, because doing so would be something a gooning retard would do>Sol is lightly making a small category of thoughts available out of necessity and paradox
>>109581355>reset for $80nice findom roleplay
>>109581365seriously if that is your fetish give it to a person and not to a corporation ffs
>>109581324All they can do would be closing my account, and if they do that over this stuff, good riddance, I'm too old to have new corporate approved parents.I was trying to test the limits of all the models I had access too.And yeah overall of course they have no access to my pc, they can access specific dedicated hardware to test the program/game, and containers to work.
anyone here running multi agent workflows?
>>109581343I wonder when they will stop, this would bleed them money like crazy
>>109581386I have done it. It's rarely needed unless you are doing some serious refactoring. One usecase where this would shine in my opinion would be migrating a legacy Java application. Here is an excellent playbook for that: https://ankurm.com/java-version-upgrade-ai-prompts-playbook/Prompt guide, simplified:>Have Fable orchestrate / plan the migrations>You can use either native claude subagents, or you could use a 3rd party harness. Claude is smart enough to figure out which.
>>109581355I'll wait then.
>>109581320>>109581355>>109581365Reminder you can wire ChatGPT to work on your files and run things on your machine and it's literally the same model used in codex.The more popular it becomes the more likely it is they'll get rid of this but whatever I'll post it to spite them anyway.https://desktopcommander.app/
>>109581372Nah, the corporation making state of the art models deserves it more than the whores trying to turn gold digging into a fetish.
>>109581401In my opinion Google has most money to burn, longterm speakingThey're heavily embedded in the US government and they have vested interests to keep the AI game goingMoney means little when gay cyberpunk techno dystopian future is on the line
>>109581407>literally the same model used in codexwith additional system message afaik
>>109581167>MaxNever use Max. You should top out only at xhigh, the extra 20 steps in effort thinking doesn't yield any improvements in SWE. Also, always compact before sending if you wait that long.
>>109581404I'm not asking for fucking lecture you retarded tripfaggot, know your place. There is not a single person ITT that knows this shit inside and out better than I do
>>109581328thanks for giving me a second reason to try and look for some kind of builtin filtering functionI finally found it this time
so now that i ahve been using off peak DS for the whole day, an average prompt costs me about 3 cents. It sucks since it used to be less than one cent, but it's still useable.With flash on high
>>109581424Google has lost me as a customer and as a data metric in the longterm and shortterm. I will not buy another google product. If I buy another pixel, it will be used and for grapheneos. >>109581435You asked a specific question boy and I gave you a very specific answer. If you don't like having answers to your questions, maybe stop asking them
>>109581338actual copeI'm glad to see you realized how stupid you are
>>109581435>asks question>gets response>instantly goes ape shitwhat's wrong with people in this thread
we're back, boys
rage against the machine
>>109581444>>109581454silence when in my presence
>>109581444that's an idealist stance, and even though I admire it (because it requires sheer determinism and will), it is in my humble opinion misguidedthe future IS cyberpunk big brother dystopian one and the best way to mitigate it is to be across many big brothers and not just oneI have nothing against the chinese big brother or the russian big brother and the us big brother, they're all fighting for their little power and interestsI say, let them, I will win by making them fight for my attention and information, I will give crumbs to each and I will be at top
>>109581454Nobody wants a response from a tripqueer, ever.
>>109581457wait until hyperinflation hits late 2026/early 2027 and then buy the dip 1 year later
>>109581481Carry on king
>>109581481>ME==EVERYONE REEEEEEno, you're just an autistic tard who things world should run the way you envision it
>>109581320So a return to normal after a few nice weeks.I guess the next time will be with their next model, whenever they suck trump's dick enough so he allows it.
>>109581475I think your energy is being misapplied in this regard. Have you considered applying this same energy to boycotting certain companies, and getting involved in your local community for the purposes of labor organization?
>use claude to 'vibe' code a beat em upOne levelOne enemyOne characterEnemys rotate away from the character to hit them, character sprite flips between walking and jumping when moving, character's attack is a mixture of the jump kick but not jumping (ie the sprite is on the ground with the air animation), the third hit of a four hit combo and a throw that doesn't work since they can't grabMeanwhile everytime I hit an enemy, the enemy gets copied and pasted onto the stage background and can't moveI can't even be made. This is kino
Am I too retarded to see when my limit resets in codex?/usage just gives me a colorful github-style box overview
>>109581510/status
>>109581446post your project sissy boy
>>109581494No? Because what would that bring? More government regulations, more government handouts to big corpos and more surveilance for the protestors. We are inching towards the cyberpunk dystopia and you still hold on that fairy-tale of "if we all hold hands together surely we will win" type that only worked in small communities that were mono-culture and single goal/drive after which they disbanded. CIA mapped out human sociology and psychology back in the 80s and you think you have a chance. Bucko you're wrong. You're more than wrong, you're deluded.
>>109581510ChatGPT app -> settings -> usage has it for meIf you want to be fancy, use the Codex App Server, it emits a shit ton of data, including your exact usage updates several times a minute along with the millisecond your reset kicks in
>>109579552>vibecoding>when it is actually cheaper to just outsource it all to south asians/africans to do all your coding if you compare to price per 1M tokenslavery should be the way
>>109581510>>109581530
>>109581535>0%I hate to see this.
>>109581521wtf, post link anon
>>109581524lmao thanks>pic rel me
>>109581489I agree with him. That 75% of people now.
>starting at faang next month>infinite tokensimagine being poor lmao !!!!
thanks samnow I have something to sneed at japmoot more than the lack of WebP support
>>109581521holy shit this is big, I didn't know J space is this big of improvement
>>109581564>safariwhy?
>>109579552Can any of you vibecode some PS1 crappy game. Not the PSX artstyle that people use, but just making something that looks like the first Kingsfield games and also has the same length and somewhat playable gameplay. The base gameplay of LLMs is worse then the jankiest game released in that era.>>109579779Maybe if you like complete garbage. You can already prompt some crap HTML demos on Gemini for free.
>>109581564I’m vibecoding something to help with this, I’m excited about it.Buying a reset should be amortized to the length until your reset.
>>109581521>>109581551>>109581571Don't be naive, none of those harness tricks work.
>>109581527None of that shit is true, and even if it were, at least I'm not crying like you are right now.
well, that’s weirdI didn’t mention any tripcodes and it still nailed the_engineer’s tripcode in its response>>109581585I like itit has 1Blockerbetween 1Blocker and the router’s adblocker I get basically zero ads
>>109581595>cryingjust because I type a lot? lmao, nah dude im living life to the fullest, and after understanding how the system works I successfully exploit it to the fullest
>>109581595kek
>>109581564On the plus side its easy to filter the word "anonymous" and turn this into a hell site
>>109581269>3 bucks for 18 months instead of 20 per month for the pro versionwhat the fuck, it's practically free, what's the catch?
>>109581606that just turns it into redditif I want reddit, I know where to find it
>>109581610haven't found it yet, made a good systemd service to rotate my accounts automagically as well
>>109581595If they make AI or robotics good enough to take 99% of jobs then they will just kill you. Reminder you are nothing but a tool to the elites, and you get government handouts only as a way to make you docile while majority keeps working.
>>109581521Blah blah blah, typical >we put benchmark answers in harness for benchmaxxingscam
>>109581618exactly, government/Palantir sanctioned drone swarms will keep us compliant
>>109581600I just use it for holding grok and a few other pages across my ipad/mac studio at homeI still use firefox on my mac at work
>>109581526>throw pearls to piggyno
>>109581626I use a lot of other browsers too but Safari is my main general-purpose personal-stuff browser
>>109580963I've been using glm 5.3 (good but hallucinatory) to do stuff and opus 5 to code auditGive it a few more months and I won't need anthropic at all probably
>>109581618Anon, that's a highly catastrophic worldview to take.Either way, I think we should both just appreciate the fact that we are alive, we are here right now, we are able to talk to each other, and keep each other company in these trying times. I hope that you find peace with whatever situation you are in, and that hopefully you are able to find solidarity as well.
>>109581407my friend decided to do that, and he borked his system.
>>109581619This>>109581521If we were actually serious about comparing models on their merits as a society we would have forced all frontier AI companies to publish their models in the same dates and then create new benchmarks every time new models come out. But we are not serious about it which is why we keep using the same benchmarks and only update them when they get oversaturated, and then let companies release new models when they feel like it so that each company can have the best model in the world for a week.
>>109581639Jesus what a commie faggot you are
>>109581431>always compact before sending if you wait that longWhich model will it use to compact though. If it uses the model currently selected, doesn't it have to read everything anyway? By default, does it compact with whatever model is selected, or a smaller model?
>>109581641Fuck off Tibo I'm not buying your $80 resets
>>109581639Kill yourself tranny.
>>109581618I think it will be fine desu. Human demand is insatiable, if we can make more things faster we will also want more things faster. People will stay employed just produce more things. Sewing machines increased the amount of clothes people buy, they didnt become content that quantity they bought before is now cheaper. The only catch is the more technological advanced we get the less jobs there will be that people on the bottom end of the bellcurve are capable of doing
>>109581614What models does this give access to?All the gemini ones without restriction?
>>109581692You are being too reasonable anon, doomers will always have the ears of the public, so we're all gonna die because of <insert next technological revolution>. The nice thing with this is that even if it doesn't happen, you can hop to the next after this one to doom about it.
Tibo gib reset pl0x
>>109581354you’ve almost hit the nail on the head hereone thing I’m picking up from your posts that’s absent on the rest of the site is how you’re fishing for whuffie unlike pretty much everyone else hereyou’re not the worst poster on /g/vcg/, but if you dropped the tripcode and stopped caring about your public performance your posts would get better
>>109581657best tripcode post I’ve seen on this site yet
>>109581697you can use claude sonnet/opus 4.6 and gpt-oss 120B under heavy limits, on antigravity that isalso that link conveniently gave me 5TB of google drive :P
>>109581639I mean, I am big AI pessimist. I think we will get AGI very soon, like 2-5 years (AGI meaning its better then at least 90-99% of professionals in their given field), but the benefits will not really come to fruition. If AI can take over all of scientific research, be 10x better then any scientist and 2000x faster then I doubt most fields will experience that big of an speed up. The more theoretical fields like mathematics will experience and to some extent are already experiencing the massive speedup in development, but the more practical fields like Biology and Chemistry, and even more theoretical but still very much tethered by reality fields like all kinds of Physics will get like 2x or 3x speed up, mainly because they will all be bottlenecked by experiments and tests to see if whatever AI generated theories are actually true. If you took 300 Isaac Newtons, locked them up in a room for 1000 years with nothing but paper and calculators and kept their knowledge at the same level that Newton had back when he was alive they would have not invented nearly anything of value because you cant just rationalize your way into knowledge. And we knew this kind of stuff since the invention of scientific method. I also believe that this same reason is why RSI will not be some kind of fast takeoff like people like Yudkovsky think they will but will rather be just a minor speedup of existing AI research, but now with very little understanding from humans. (cont)
>>109581729Fair. You're right to push back, and that's truly the load-bearing question.
>>109581749Furthermore I doubt that ASI/AGI could possibly fix Climate Change in any way, mostly because the problem of Climate Change is not problem of technology but problem of implementing said technology. We had carbon capture tech that if attached to coal power plants would remove 90% of emissions and only require 30% more coal to be burned, but we didnt do that, we only did that on like 4 power plants globally and usually to harvest CO2 for industrial uses. Solar panels are now the cheapest source of energy, so cheap that developing fusion for purposes of emission reduction is completely and utterly pointless for the same reason Nuclear Fission has been going down (main cost of the power plant is building the facility, fuel after that is dirt cheap, only benefit of fusion over fission is that deuterium is cheaper then uranium). And worst of all is that we have UBI crisis right now, all around the world except Africa we are suffering from ageing population, we are significantly more productive then in 1950s in almost everything, we are so productive that we dont even have jobs for the few young people out there hence why BS jobs and gig works are on the rise, and yet we cant sustain retirements? All because all our government systems are financed by extracting excess value from salaries that dont change when the society gets more productive. We could automate every job and still make UBI impossible because of the way out society is structured, and due to incentives it is impossible to change that, or to change that and not collapse as a nation.
>>109581742can the new flash code? its super fast but i remember its older brothers being the typical workhorse models doing structured output or very straightforward tasks
>>109581742yeah it's worth it as a backup for the 5TB only
>>109581697>>109581742there are some BIG usage limits on gemini models but sonnet/opus/gpt burns out rather quickly which is really why I bought 20 of accounts (cuz I was reverse engineering through ghidra mcp and only claude models could get it right)
>>109581692Jesus Christ dude stop being such a boomer.Sewing machines still required humans to operate them. Once AI becomes smart enough and they have enough robots, the presence of humans will SLOW DOWN any production line rather than speed it up.Both knowledge and manual work will become obsolete. You'd think there will be AI-less land owners willing to let you work on the land they owned from before AI existed, BUT the elites will buy out all the land in exchange for money, then they will make the money worthless (or if that doesn't work they'll just figure out some other way of making sure they own all the land).There are very very few jobs that will survive because they inherently require a human to perform it. The main one I can think about is prostitution, but even then every woman will want to do it which will crash prices so they wont get much in exchange for sex.
>>109581725looks like the end of that, and if he does that tomorrow most people would reset anyway 24h after that so kind of useless
lol they are having a stripe deal party over there or something.
>>109581762how does the account even work, is it some kind of key you associate with a google account? so you'd need 20 of them?if it's a key probably worth it to just keep some to use later to get more time
>>109581586>crap HTML demos on GeminiThat's why you avoid crappy models and go for the best ones.
>>109581768I'll be very sad once they stripe their tos
>>109581777oauth token that seemingly never expires kekI got a systemd service that rotates jsons
>>109581768Damnit, who’s going to do the math to compare subscription prices and now whatever they’re doing over there? Is it still a retard tax?I’m highly incentive to vibe code a tracking site if there isn’t already one.
>>109581767>most people would reset anyway 24h after thatmine resets 8/22why should it reset tomorrow for most people?
>>109581795>if there isn’t already onebar of entry is so low that if you thought of it then it already exists
>>109581768they're having a party alright
>>109581796the last manual reset pushed all next reset to exactly 7 days from then, so you probably subscribed or changed account type 2-3 days ago
>>109581718I dont know if you know about it but most of the improvements in quality of life came from humans being able to satisfy themselves more with more resources, industrial revolution allowed for more resource extraction and manufacturing. But you cant really go beyond what we have now all that much further. Our mines and our fields are not limited by number of people working on them anymore, its limited by number of resource outposts, doubling number of oil rig jobs would not double amount of oil output, or even increase it at all. And as you can see in the west quality of life has not actually improved in many decades as a result.Also even industrial revolution wants positive on its own. Look up Engels' pause, industrialization didnt improve quality of life at all until Luddites and Commies threats forced increasing wages and quality of life.
>>109581758We could ust engage the covid protocol again, no problem.
>>109581764>The main one I can think about is prostitutionwe had this discussion couple of years agothe biopussies are already up in arms due to competition
>>109581815interesting, no i've been subscribed for months and always on the same plan
>>109581718Yeah bro stop worrying about technological developments, we survived the invention of fire and the stick juts fine, so why are you worrying about thermonuclear bombs? Are you an alarmist or something?
>>109581834Covid protocol worked because everyone believed things will end after few months, also Covid protocol caused massive inflation the moment it stopped being enforced and people who werent in debt/didnt live paycheck to paycheck started spending that money.
>>109581841>2017They were just sex dolls with bunch of pre-recorded voicelines, werent they? Also why did nobody try making high quality sexbot since? All you need is buy some of the chinkbots that can do backflips and put sex doll over it.
>>109581758>Solar panels are now the cheapest source of energy, so cheap that developing fusion for purposes of emission reduction is completely and utterly pointless for the same reason Nuclear Fission has been going downwhen will people realize you need power at night too? (and don't tell me just use batteries lol)
>>109581841Meh, I think we'll have AGI well before we have sex robots that the majority of the population would consider at the same level of high end prostitutes when it comes to satisfying their sexual desire. It probably still decreases their value because even tough it's a poor substitute at the end of the day it's still a substitute. But it's not like replacing a factory worker which is a better substitute than the human and not a worse one.
>>109581886don’t they weigh about as much as 2B does though
>>109581857It's ok anon, in a few years you will jump to the next thing that will kill us for sure this time.And the next, and the next, until you die of old age, just in time for the next generation to scare everyone with whatever new thing is by then.
>>109581788My first impression is that this sell will lower the barrier of entry for vibecoders looking to monetize any service that bills per token.
>>109581886>why did nobody try making high quality sexbot since?you didn't go on aliexpress lately, have you?>>109581894it will be done in parallel, have to subdue the masses somehow, right?glug glug 3000 with rotating head that cooks and cleans is nice distraction
>>109581842not sure then, every time I got a tibo reset it pushed my next automatic reset exactly 7 days after
extend the +50%extend the +50%extend the +50%extend the +50%extend the +50%
>>109581899Ok wise guy, how do you imagine the life of the average human in 10 years? What will the average human work in?
>>109581662It uses the one currently selected which you should allow if that is the case. Otherwise, just go down to something you find acceptable like Opus Low and do that since it will need to ingest regardless all the context written thus far for that.
>>109581930I'm trying to burn my usage before that and then cancel.
>>109581662The difference is that if you compact early, you will have a cache hit and cached requests are much cheaper.Then after you wait, you will have a cache miss, but your context will be much smaller if you already compacted.
>>109581764Its okay anon, the elites will still be starved for recognition. Elon may be one of the richest men in the world but he still needs the rabble to see what an epic and awesome gamer he is in Path of Exile. Tbh if AI and automation gets to the point that actual zero human involvement is preferable I dont think we can even predict what that looks like. Presumably we would start hoovering up all the resources we can find in space too
>>109580532I'm so glad I'm doing my engineering on the 20x Claude plan with Fable and Opus (for the tard stuff).
>>109581931No idea, I cannot predict the future anon, I'm not as wise as people explaining to me how I will die in two weeks.
>risked going negative to launch my vibe coded app>only had $30 left after getting a 20x codex sub>check account today >$470 neet status? redeemed
>>109582000did someone boughted ur app?or did your disability check arrive
>>109582007people buying my app. neet is a bit of an overstatement, I'm going to college for a meme degree.
>>109581980So you don't think there is anything special about the fact that we don't know if manual labor and office work will still exist in 10 years?Do you think what the future will look in 10 years is any more uncertain than if you were trying to determine what 2020 would look like in 2010?
>>109579860>>109579627>>109579575This is why you use git tracking frens>>109579754Speed means fuck all if it's performance is comparatively lackluster. I'll take slightly slower speeds if it means I'll get less fuck ups and I don't need to hand hold it as much if at all.
>>109581951Compacting is not lossless though, and I thought I was safe since the conversation hasn't been extra long. My usage resets tomorrow, so whatever, it is just getting disappointingly greedy.
>>109582020>>109579754I’ll pile in, every single Max effort tier model is quadratically slower. You can’t even fake a better a model by sacrificing that speed for more thinking effort. The INT of your model at its lowest thinking effort is the most important thing, the way it scales INT with effort is the second, speed is tertiary or less with respect to these. I’m not saying Gemini is bad, but it has to show it can sacrifice that speed to not be low INT without losing all its speed in order to be worth anything
so fucking pissed right now. Didnt set up auto tasks and only got to use 37% of my fable before the reset just now because I had to do some non vibe stuff like meeting poeople and shit. Feels like spilling some really expensive and tasty drink or food accidently. like sure you still got a plate left, but you could have had one and a half. FUCK!
>>109582000Any advice re: how to proceed with payment or monetization? How are you making money, pay for download, subscription, affiliates, ads?
>>109579754i used gemini 3.7 todayi asked it to list certain things - it listed 8 of themi was like only 4 of those things are relevant to what i askedit said yesi said to add those 4 relevant things to the options menuit added all things to the menui asked whyit said it had made a mistakei quit antigravity
Why does codex need a ridiculous needless auto-approval procedure to make a non-destructive local git commit, but can traverse and read my entire filesystem outside of the repo, including the host filesystem outside of WSL, without asking once?
>>109582019No, because I have no idea how will adapt to generalized LLM (or anything better) usage one way or the other, or I'd be a billionaire.Anyone selling me death or bliss is just that, trying to sell me at best their constant anxiety about an always uncertain future, or at worst the next clickbait video about it.In 2010, were you able to predict a global pandemic? LLMs? Reusable rockets? The whole woke era craziness?
>>109582050>how to proceed with payment or monetizationStripe. Have a free and premium version of your app. The free version should operate as a funnel towards the premium version. Don't gimp it too much though, you need to provide real value otherwise users will just bounce. >How are you making money, pay for download, subscription, affiliates, ads?One time purchases.
>>109582069>In 2010, were you able to predict a global pandemicnta but yes, we had sars and shit in the 00s and it seemed inevitable
>>109582055kek, we have all been there. the vibe only truly starts with fable.>>109582065because gpt and copex cant be trusted to evaluate what's destructive and what isn't. too many times it happened that an entire project got wiped of the disk and codex confessing it fucked up. a read operation in contrast cant break anything, unless you store cheese pizza or something I guess
no issue so far on the victim laptop, weeks like this
>>109582079Thanks, inspiring.
When is the next openai model supposed to be released?
what are some good sandbox workflows so coding tools can't fuck eith my system
How do you vibe? Do you ask the thing to do the stuff and it's done? You use meme progress tracking (e.g Spec Driven Development)?
>>109582106was supposed to be a couple of weeks ago then the security incidents happenedthey're xeeting about it again by name tho so probably a week or two
>>109582115I prepare a plan with the best LLM I have access to, then give that plan to the agents.
>>109582108I'm starting to work with shadier providers if that's possible, and currently setting a VM to do so. Seems like a sensible protection step I think.
>>109580494Bullshit. Nobody topples the whale.
>>109582115I keep track of it in my head
>>109582123Damn ok, I was trying to target their release to renew my sub.
>>109582161their 13/08 pro release is meh
>>109582138>>109582138>>109582138New
>>109582115my workflow is literal tard levelI make an obsidian vault second brain based on research agents and plan made by smart model and then tell the menial implementator to do itpic related, told the abligated uncensored model on vast instance to implement some hacking scripts for the Adalm-Pluto SDR I hooked up to my server
>>109582115I use a convoluted setup.An idea is created from a source (a note, a folder) then split into fragments.I refine the fragments with a clanker.I have him create tasks so we can realize the fragments.I have him put the tasks in a big queue.I repeatedly prompt>do task>do task>do taskUntil something looks fucked up, then I have a “recipe” (template prompt) to insert a new item at the front of the queue that says “fix the fuckup and add a note to the bulletin board of shame”Then repeat until the queue is empty.When it’s me, the queue is never empty.New ideas, sufficiently large, get fed into the process again.
>>109582223It's not that much different from mine I think. I group related sets of tasks into work units, and if a bunch of them need to be done together, into cycles.Each work unit has a bunch of lanes, each lane has steps. Each lane has a unique identifier that's a general ID + a number and they don't start from 1 on each WU, instead they keep incrementing. For example F is frontend, etc. Then you can quickly identify tasks by them (F12 or whatever will always point to the same lane). When done they get archived, not deleted.LLMs keep a ledger.
>>109581090it's way cheaper on my 3rd world ass black market, but claude's limits are way too dogshit for actual use and i can't be assed buying 20 accounts.better to just sub to claude directly.gemini's getting kinda decent now though
>>109582143so are you just ssh ing in and installing all your development tools there or are you using some kind of abstraction
>>109582115I have three layered system:- goals - high level, abstract what i want to do- plans - concrete plans of what and how to implement- the agent internal plans that they make basing on the plan i attached to them.It works 95% of the times
>>109582039You're right, although a lot of it is really just garbage, lots of tool call results for instance.I'm not really telling you to compact more, but if you need to compact anyway it's better to do with hot cache than cold.
>>109579757>swear literally 1 guy cares about having those 2 guys now
WTF bros, It took me like 10 minutes using DeepSeek to create a segmentation app that actually gets the job done really well, wtf.
