it is based to use firefox

>>109581678
All browsers are shit so just use whatever looks better to you lmao

you are allowed to have an opinion

If you can live with the fact that Mozilla is sucking Google's cock while killing their browser in the process then use it

>>109581730
>Mozilla is sucking Google's cock while killing their browser in the process
in what way?

>>109581678
Use what werks for you

>>109581730
Would you rather work with a guy who sucks dicks or suck dicks yourself?

Unrelated but is something going on with Youtube on Firefox? It started dying on me all the time.

>>109581686
This. I use Nightly because the blue fox looks better on my desktop.

>>109582117
This regularly happens when they update shit, they'll fix it in a few days. Two weeks tops.

No. I think Firefox is the best browser.
I use it since Firefox 2.0 and never really saw no reason to use any other.

>>109581763
https://www.techcentral.ie/mozilla-says-stricter-antitrust-measures-against-google-threaten-firefox/
>2026-08-12
>Mozilla, the developer of Firefox, has warned that it may be forced to exit the browser market if it is no longer allowed to receive payments from Google for offering its search engine.
>According to Mozilla, a ban on these payments could lead the company and other independent browser developers to withdraw from the market. This would mean the disappearance of an important distributor of search services. Mozilla argues that users would thereby lose a browser that pays a great deal of attention to privacy and security, while large technology companies would in fact gain more power over the Internet.
>Mozilla sets this out in an amicus curiae brief that was filed in recent days with the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

>>109581678
it'll make you gayer

>>109583155
impossible

latest update nuked all my cookies
the captcha is 3 times more obnoxious now

>>109581678
Yes. Firefox is the browser for criminals—Americans use Chrome without ad-blocking.

>>109581730
>Chromium based browsers are stuck with proprietary locked down code base from Google and die immediately if Google pulls the plug
>Firefox based browsers are 100% independed and real open source which will exist even if Google pulls their money
Hmm, weird. Many doesn't know that Brave is proprietary spyware that did MITM attack to steal money from users and sell their user data. Brave doesn't have reproducible binaries and the "provided source code" is 100% irrelevant and for different binaries/project. Brave is proprietary.

>>109581678
Yes, you have to use a meme fork that has bad addon compatibility and will maybe just stop existing at some point, OK?

>>109581678
Firefox is just a shittier clone of all the bad things about Chromium. I wait for Ladybird to free us.

>>109581678
2 issues you can fix:

if you dont want google to track all sites you visit you have to disable safe browsing, all it does is send every website to google to get a okay not okay back.

if you dont want your ssd to die faster you have to disable caching to ssd in about config. you cant stop caching entirely but you can reduce writes from 30gb/day to 4gb/day

>>109585269
Google will never take Chromium closed source because if they do they lose their influence over web standards. Mozilla said in court last year that they’ll have to exit the browser market if the courts order Google to stop making payments for making it the default search engine since it accounts for around 90% of their annual revenue. Forks could change their browser to something like Ladybird in the future, but what future do you have if you go under as soon as a judge orders Google to stop making payments?
Do yo think the Waterfox devs or Librewolf is gonna be able to maintain an entire browser if Mozilla is gone?

>>109581678
>is it bad to use a spyware?
Yes.

>i find it enjoyably easy to use
Not shit sherlock. Nobody would use spywares if they weren't easy

>>109581678
All browsers are shit, but FF less so than others. Including chrom* browsers with their manifestv3

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firefox is cool and foxes are cute!

>>109581678
better to use a fork that already has the tracking stuff disabled by default or the one that supports gestures (too bad both doesn't exist at teh same time)

>>109581678
Doesn't work with 4channel
I can solve captchas, but it always tells me to try again later after i do
It's blocking the cookie or something, IDK, but it's unusable on this website unless you're just lurking.

>>109587412
don't blame firefox for your shit configuration

>>109581678
>is it bad to use Firefox?
very antisemitic to use a browser with an uncucked adblock

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Use firefox nightly. the performance is substantially better.

>>109583445
Pray for Israel! SEND ME

>>109587632
placebo

>>109581678
>85% funded by google
>When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
>You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.
run for the fucking hills, and there's one company your data is going to and it's obvious. you're treated as prime data to be targeted by ad companies. you can run all the adblockers you want, your data is still being shadowbrokered by the browser itself.

>>109589525
No it fucking isn't. Not when I've ran wireshark on firefox and verifiably proved that it is not doing that.

>>109581763
Google is literally paying for Mozilla to stay alive. 3% of browser users uses Firefox, compared to like 20% a decade or so ago.

Firefox is killing itself chasing trends instead of fixing Gecko (or whatever they call their rendering engine) that can't step to Chrome's rendering/webstandards.

Part of this is Google themselves (ironically) fucking over their "competition" (which they pay to support so they aren't slapped with a monopoly charge like MicroSlop was with I.Explore) by being part of the W3C, if I remember right.

It's an old I.E. era tactic that fucked over Mozilla's predecessor (Netscape), but ironically IE fucking sucked at it compared to Chrome/Google.

>>109582898
Good. Then maybe a less inefficient open source group can fork it without being made irrelevant by the original still existing.

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>>109583445
>Firefox is the browser for criminals
Damn...I must be looking like a dual taliban/nazi for having GOS on my Pixel...

>>109589548
7% now, plus whoever doesn't send telemetry

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Missed one. Put this in /etc/hosts:

127.0.0.1    firefox-portal-detection.com

>>109586023
>>if you dont want your ssd to die faster you have to disable caching to ssd in about config
wasn't this a thing in 2016/2017? they must have fixed this by now, no?

>>109589684
Chromium is far worse for ssds and not only that it doesn't properly delete history at all

>>109589684
>>109589698
yeah it is old as fuck with this SSD and firefox drama, I was right and it was 2016
https://www.servethehome.com/firefox-is-eating-your-ssd-here-is-how-to-fix-it/

>>109589720
Maybe don't trust that article, because it might not reflect the current state of firefox. I would trust the mozilla developers here.

>>109589731
Yeah, I took a look at your article, it was written in 2016, so it would make sense to at least consider a newer source, about any "ssd eating" issues.

>>109589731
but the article is right, I checked the about:config setting he was talking about and they left it at 15 seconds in

browser.sessionstore.interval

>>109589746
Let me look into this further. Give me a bit.

>>109589751
So looking at it, yeah you could change it. But this isn't going to kill your ssd. if you don't want the writes and don't care about reporting crashes to mozilla, then you can turn it off. I'll also highlight how much easier and accessible advanced preferences are versus chrome. With chrome, you have to fuck about with command line flags, which change all the time with google and it's generally a pain in the ass (imo). I like having about:config, and it makes such user choices easy. That's why I use firefox.

Neowin discussed this in depth
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1319660-so-are-firefox-and-chrome-still-killing-ssds/

though the thread is also dated (it's from 2017)

>>109589684
it still applies for videos.
It fixed for normal websites but if you use youtube / twitch / ... any video stream then ssd writes go up to 8mb/s as it seemingly caches the videos on the sdd. Multiply by 3600 for hour and you get to 28800mb/hour.

so turning it off and forcing caching into ram is still a very good idea.

>>109589567
Did they actually gain? IIRC they gained a little and then crashed to 3% last report (which was two or so weeks ago).

Either way: Mozilla is killing itself chasing trends like AI and VPN being-built in instead of fixing the rendering engine and adding shit niche nerds that use it want (the RSS bookmark feature they killed 20 years ago, FFS!), which is why they're losing browser share.

The only ONLY reason people use Firefox now a days is because of Manifest V2/Ublock Origin. The moment Firefox kills that, the browser is DONE.

>>109589907
oh and the setting i changed which worked was
browser.cache.disk.enable set it from true to false

I also tried interval increase like >>109589746
but it didnt seem to matter.

>>109581678
It's the only browser available atm. The rest are adware or literal malware like braeve.

>>109589567
They aren’t measuring by telemetry retard, your browser is identifiable by web pages when you go to any site. They can tell who’s connecting with chromium, Firefox. Safari, etc.

>>109581678
>b-bu-but the schizos on /g/ who do nothing but scream about trannies will be mad at me!
do what you want. resist chromium and microslop however you can, to the level that is comfortable to you.

>>109581730
/thread

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The latest version lets you choose old icons from 2004 and 2017 for the browser.
Monkey's Paw here is, it now creates the icon within the general start menu and doesn't let you move it around to a personalized folder. Every time you open Gayfox, it will generate another icon in the general start menu.
Who the fuck even write this kind of shitty code, man? I don't know anymore if this is AI bullshit or Pajeet shit honestly. I'm just so tired of it all...

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Have you guys pic related?

>>109592166
Literally read above your post, you blind bat.

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>>109581678
Yes.

>>109592173
Bitch I didn't had this thread updated so your post didn't exist until I posted.
Also seems like a (you) problem because I have none of that.

>>109590958
Even when you spoof your user agent they can tell?

>>109581678
i use firefox on my work mac but i dont rely on it because it loves to lock up if i have it running for more than a few days, then i have to force quit it. chrome for mac never has this problem
for some reason ff on linux never fucks up (even linux running in a vm on my work mac), its solid as a rock

>>109592349
Yes, those user agent spoofs aren’t doing much. Browser engines support different JavaScript APIs, CSS features and performance quirks, websites can run feature tests to figure out what browser you’re using. Your user agent string isn’t the only thing your browser sends, Chrome sends headers that Firefox just doesn’t as well. This is where the fingerprinting debate comes in, if Firefox sends less information than Chrome, that right there is an identifier. If you enable fingerprint resisting under about:config, that aggressively resists it which is also an identifier

Market share numbers are actually fake and gay because they’re usually relying on public tracking, that much is true but websites themselves know the truth because you have to fully break websites sometimes to get around those background tests to see what you’re using. We’ll probably never know the actual numbers, the closest ways to actually measure would probably be Cloudflare or server logs from places like GitHub (fwiw previous audits have claimed that browsers like Firefox and Brave have are likely having their market share undercounted by 2x or 3x just due to how many people are blocking trackers and because Chrome is being used by bots)

>>109581678
No it's not. But don't ever complain about woke and LGBTQ+ propaganda again

>>109581730
I'd rather someone else sucked off Google than suck off Google myself by using literally any webkit browser.

>>109582898
>Lose Servo
>Lose Rust
>Still dependant entirely on antitrust money from Google
Is there any company that's fumbled as badly as Mozilla? They are genuinely pathetic. We really need an OpenOffice/Libreoffice style split if the browser is to survive these incompetent faggots.

>>109589673
This will fuck up any network connection that relies on a browser login to access it btw.

>>109592654
True, but it's easily reversible. Just re-edit /etc/hosts and remove the entry. I just did it for peace of mind.

>>109592643
They lost basically all their talent from the 2000’s too. When their share peaked in the mid/late 2000’s some of them got poached by Apple to make the ios version of safari, some got poached by Facebook, and then when Eich got fired he took most of the other big figures with him. IIRC even the head of Ladybird was one of the lead devs on Firefox early on

>>109589731
Namefag tranny

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>>109581678
It's the only usable browser left with a menubar. The moment they get rid of that in Nova, I'm switching to Brave.

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>>109594197
why not switch to a decent OS that always gives you a menubar?

>>109594267
>switch
I have to buy Apple's proprietary, non-upgradable hardware. Moreover, I want the menubars on the application windows so I can have multiple menubars on screen at once. Last but not least, there is no Windows 7 Aero Glass theme for MacOS.

>>109594328
Technically speaking, you don't have to buy Apple's hardware to run their OS, You could steal their OS and run it on your own hardware. Tonymacx86 is a good place to start. You could probably make a Windows 7 Aero Glass theme for MacOS, using AI tooling. I would consult Tonymacx86.

>>109594337
>You could probably make a Windows 7 Aero Glass theme for MacOS, using AI tooling
No thanks. I thought you guys kept telling me that you DON'T have to use the terminal or be a programmer on MacOS. I hate terminals and don't know how to code, hence I use Linux.

>>109581678
firefox + ublock for desktop to block/hide elements I dislike of sites I visit (i.e. youtube shorts but also cookie warnings and those page blocker messages sign in to view etc bs
brave for mobile so I can turn on settings to block/hide youtube shorts

thats just a browser.

>>109594665
you can use firefox on mobile too instead of that shilled malware

>>109581678
It's my porn browser

>>109589673
>Missed one
Where are the others?
Also findings on wireshark?

Objectively bad? No, not if you configure it thoroughly. And especially not since it has complete ublock origin support.

I developed a phobia of Firefox back in April of 2022, when it started causing BSoDs and messing up the boot order every time I opened it. Probably due to some freak combination of hardware and software issues, but I still refuse to go back.

>>109595627
Wireshark the same. It's just the captive portal detection service. That's the only telemetry service that I've found so far that I missed. I use Firefox Nightly. Out of the box, Firefox Nightly sends a LOT of data to Mozilla, which is expected, I mean it's Firefox Nightly, they want to get the bug reports and telemetry data. But you don't have to give them the data if you don't want to. And I will say Firefox Nightly definitely has better performance than Firefox ESR or even the standard release of Firefox. At this point Firefox Nightly is just as smooth if not smoother than Chrome, at least for me. And I don't have to give Google or Mozilla any data at all, if I don't want to. But I'm probably gonna give Mozilla some data, because Mozilla stands for something.

>>109581678
Firefox is less buggy than vivaldi on linux

>>109592156
>>109592166
>The latest version lets you choose old icons from 2004 and 2017 for the browser.
I am on the latest version and don't see it

>>109594267
You can right click one thing to get a global menu bar on KDE Plasma.

>>109597469
Only for Windows right now.

>>109587485
i tried it before changing any preferences at all anon
the only thing I installed was ubo

>>109600546
Probably 4chinz doing its thing.
I guess keep using what you were using or try again because it does work.

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>firefox updates
>4chan specifically gets removed from my top sites and dropped way down the order of suggested sites history AGAIN
>it's the third or fourth time it pulls this bullshit
that's it, I'm fucking done. what's the best ff fork from people who aren't complete trannies?

>>109581678
Why are the old icons that we can apply now so small? Is this an elaborate ploy to get us to like trannyfox?

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>>109592156
Just compile with your own logo and bypass all that retarded shit, what's the issue?

>>109581678
bro still using browsers to visit websites manually the year before AGI :skull_emoji: — just ask claude bro there's no need bro

Historically Firefox and Konqueror, until around 2010 when was the catalyst to displacing Internet Explorer, but Webkit and Chromium overtook KHTML and have taken over and now Firefox is just a "ublock origin browser" now, normal people who don't block ads have no need for Firefox.

Pale Moon's devs have already admitted they can't keep Goanna up to date, and Seamonkey is on its last legs after one of the remaining devs passed away.

Ladybird and Servo are the only true hopes left as they are actually independent and not just leaching Google funding.

>>109581678
Using Gecko-based browsers is good.
Using Mozilla Firefox? Not so much.
If you need a trivial in-situ replacement, consider LibreWolf. It's effectively unmozillad-firefox.

>>109602028
Since you are posting on /g/, consider GNU IceCat.
You may call rms many things, but he is certainly no tranny.

>>109581678
I find all the websites instantly break when you use it.
I still use it though, since google has enough market share.