I'm getting into data hoarding but have zero knowledge of the hardware side. What is a good enclosure (4 drives), is there a gold standard one that is obviously the best or are they all mostly the same? I'm planning on shucking
>>109582580Just get a synology and keep it off the internet, done and done.
>>109582580Never done a NAS but honestly I'd go with the most chinesey janky shady one I could find on ebay.Chances are whatever "high quality" brand reddit swears is the best thing ever and totally worth the extra money is just a rebranded version of the chinkware one with a bunch of botnet bloatware preinstalled. Chinks do piracy right. They have zero judgement and give zero fucks. I never buy anything from cucked mainstream western shit brands when it comes to piracy. Chinks aren't afraid to sell things that piss off Hollywood kikes. And its probably cheaper and will set the whole thing up right with no proprietary bullshit to install or blocks to keep you from using it for piracy.The hard drives are a different story. I'd go with slow 5000 RPM ones from a reputable manufacturer like Western Digital blues. They will last forever and won't sound like a jet engine spooling up every 10 seconds. Don't get conned into buying some enterprise grade bullshit. You don't need that.
>>109582822Lmao chink cope>>109582580All you need to know is you're basically making a cheap ass computer with a lot of storage. Considering how expensive drives are atm its going to be like 3 years before it becomes practical to make a 100TB NAS again. Youre probably just going to end up with a couple 2/4TB NAS drives.If your budget's closer to like $2,000 let me know because that changes things. I recommend just getting a microcenter bundle with a cheap as fuck Intel Cpu (quicksynch is super valuable and more likely to have integrated graphics) and like at MOST 8 gigs of RAM and a cheapo 100 gig or whatever M.2SSD you can slot in for OS and Random High Priority Storage. Then just get a couple HDDs, make sure they are CMR drives not SMR.Throw this in a computer case of your choosing.Done.Jellyfin,plex,whateverUnraid if you need it
>>109582822
>>109582956>If your budget's closer to like $2,000It is
>>109582956>>109582580yeh OP just buy a whole computer like this idiot said. I'm sure that will be way cheaper. Also learn some obscure linux distro because there's no way its running windows with 8gb of ram. Also input 5 million command lines in the exact right order just to get it halfway usable after 5 months of googling shit. Yeh bro that is totally way easier than just buying a ready made NAS with preinstalled software. What a great idea.
>>109582580JonsboN5 for BEEEEEGliterally any SFX/mid computer case with 4 slots for Smoll.Server Rack if youre based and want to be able to scale.
>>109583070>Windows>On a server>8 gigs to run an osI think this>>109582973Was meant for you desu
>>109583070My nigger have you even looked at a linux desktop in the last half a decade? Lmao you sound like a 60 year old boomer who still uses AOL.
>>109582822OP: I need help with NASYou:>Never done a NAS>but let me write this whole retarded ass novel with the worst advice ever
>>109583070how does it feel to be a lower rung than even people that plug a hard drive into the usb port on their router?
>>109582580Synology is like Apple.You will over pay, but it will work.Just do that. I would never get less than 4 drive slots. TRUST ME.Its always better to build your own but sometimes plug and play is worth a premium.
>>109582580If you need just a plain enclosure then QNAP TL-D400S was breddy good
>>109582580Similar thread here>>109580000>enclosureYou mean a NAS with all the electronics inside?Or you mean a case for a PC you're going to build?>4 drivesHow about a bigger case and you leave some bays free?>8-bay PC cases- Jonsbo N3 : Takes mini-itx.- Sagittarius : Takes micro-atx.
>>109582580Get a Fractal Node 804 or a Fractal Define 7 XL case and put an Asrock N100M board in it or something similar. Add a Host Bus Adapter (16i) from ebay and use SAS->4xSATA cables to connect the hard drives.
>>109582580get a synology.get CMR drives.(not sure if they still demand their own drives though, so check that out)without knowledge, this is the most painfree.if you ever believe you'll expand get an 8 drive version. with drives being so expensive today, for the cost of one drive you'll go from 4 > 8 drives.not sure about the 4 drive, but the 8 drive allows for two nvme drives(mirrored) for read/write caching, and a pcie slot for 10gbs/40gbs i believe.
>>109582580you'll probably struggle to get much more then 250MB/s shared with all the disks with that particular chinky enclosure.if you have to get a usb enclosure then get at least a newer usb gen2 10gbps version if not thunderbolt.
just get any old pc case that's got a bunch of 3.5" slots or 5.25 bays to install hdd cages, and if you need more sata ports then are on your motherboard then get a cheap m2 to 2-5 sata port adapter. not enough m2 slots? just get an adapter and turn on bifurication to turn one of your 16x gpu slots into 4x4x slots
>>109582580there are basically 2 controllers out there, the good is asmedia, the bad is jmicron
>>109582580Either DAS where each drive has a power button (pic related) or a NAS.
>>109583103Last time I checked desktop loonix (today, yesterday, do it on a daily basis really) it's clearly broken trash that nobody cares about. Linux foundation is cucked by corpos and only works on server side of things, while desktop only gets scraps and chink backdoors.
>>109582580Redpill me on JBOD
>>109583070> 5 million command lines in the exact right orderI guess you're not a computer guy. It's not some bizarre ritual, it's a clear order of operations, just like you can't shingle the roof before you've laid the foundation.
>>109585949>Redpill me on JBODYou plug your DAS into your existing computer,which you have probably set-up to your satisfaction.In the NAS alternative, you have toinstall the OS,do its networking stuff,do sharing stuff,do user/password stuff.
>>109586074Thank you kind sir
>>109582580Duct tape them to a plank of wood and nail it to your ceiling.Don't worry about the enclosure unless you specifically want a particular vendor's software. My NAS is a cheap itx board and processor off of aliexpress, in a large full tower pc case I had spare (antec 1200) with 9 of the 5.25" bays swapped out for hot swap caddies (also from aliexpress) because I thought they were cool. I could've just used the non hot swap bays that came with the case though. The system runs trueNAS scale.
My "NAS" is just a low end desktop PC with a Core i3 10100, 16GB of RAM and 3x16TB HDDs, the only add-on card is a 2.5Gb NIC. Unless you absolutely need the most compact enclosure possible I don't see any benefit in an off the shelf NAS.
>>109582580don't keep drives running longer than is necessaryGET A FUCKING UPSget magnetic tape, periodically backup your entire fucking cluster to it, and keep it EMF shielded with a DIY faraday cage whenever you're not backing up. also have backups offsiteget ECC RAMuse a checksum FS, not NFTS/ext4
>>109582580Just get a cheap dell optiplex or some other used office PC with four or more SATA ports you don't need more and spending easily 4x more on a lower power board will never amortize unless you live with German energy pricing and even then it'll take somewhere between 6-10 years to break even. A good HDD pool will suck so much more power that the baseline fluctuation of the host just doesn't matter.
>>109586215>keep it EMF shielded with a DIY faraday cageMetal box good enough?Steel? Alu?
>>109585949You have no storage redundancy compared to RAIDZ6 RAID6 or just 12 + 3 erasure coding whatever other scheme you might use. Which saves small amount of latency and very, very little money worth of compute.The drives are basically just operated on their own.
>>109582580If you have an older PC with a bunch of SATA ports, you can probably use that and just buy the drives. Any regular desktop Linux will do as the software if you want to set it up yourself, but there are dedicated NAS operating systems like TrueNAS (and others as well) out there too.
>>109582580My "NAS" is just an rpi5 with an nvme hat and a 1tb nvme..I mostly use it for my jellyfin home media setup but I do also have my photos and other documents I like to back up weekly to external servers on there too. Its pretty comfy to just be able to wireguard into my home network when I'm outside my house and access files, and I can very easily pass files from my phone to my PC and other devices using it as a central point of communication too.On the data hoarding side of things I just have a 14tb drive in my main machine so its not really what you're asking, but I think you could just get a low powered mini PC or something with an external enclosure for the drives and be ok. As long as they're well ventilated they should last.
>>109582580You are a year late due to current HDD prices.Get some old used low-end Intel board, you can find a mobo+cpu+ram for $50-100, pair it up with a high end (gold or platinum) power supply, get a ASM1166 m.2 to 6x sata card and an AQC113 10gbe card. Then a decent gold/platinum PSU, and whatever NAS case you want (Jonsbo has a bunch but they are not too cheap). This'll get you hardware that can use as low as 15-20W power depending on config, and you can run truenas or whatever is your choice of OS and have all your crap apps (jellyfin plex etc) running from jails.This costs you half a synology of equal power, power consumption is the same, and you get 10GbE which synology does not offer except in the fuck you huge price points.Only issue is that truenas may not like the newest fastest network cards like the realtek 2.5 and 10GbE ones. I think the AQC113 is the fastest it still has drivers for. You can just pop in an Intel X540 but those things use more power on their own than my entire current NAS.>>109583938The Asrock N100M sucks because it has fuck all expansions. Uses so little power though. I have an odroid h4+ (n97, it's like the N100 but faster), it runs sub-10W in idle with 2 enterprise drives in spindown, and that's because TrueNAS has poor kernel choices for it (with Debian the same config uses 4-5W).
Toshiba ofc
>>109582580I guess the biggest thing I would be concerned about is what you want to do with it. a NAS is also a server and therefore, a disk+compute platform that hooks into a network. If you don't intend to do remote access, Jellyfin/PLEX, docker containers, or anything, and just want to data hoard, you might just want a disk array.https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Tray-Less-Docking-Station-DS-SC4B/dp/B07Y4F5SCK/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FHW8TXXK/NAS is more about hardware. If you have no idea what you are doing yet I would recommend you get something like Synology. Which is unpopular here, but the reality is that they are turnkey, versatile, meet 99% of user needs, and can still be upgraded. You'll need to hunt for ECC RAM though, and that might mean going to the local ewaste and getting something, or like me, finding a deal or bartering.Hard Disk Drives are expensive, make sure they are CMR, Used is not necessarily bad, it means more that they've survived break in. I have 15 year old drives working fine. Buy what you can, upgrade as you can, and have an extra two drives to hold data on.
Use unraid (or TrueNas if you're autistic) and build your own. Look into jonesbo cases. They're compact ITX cases with lots of storage bays.
i have everything except the drives it's over for me
Guys, I have to confess. Despite being a programmer with 15+ years of experience and hording a few terabytes of movies, games, music, books etc... I just copy stuff manually between 2 big HDDs.I've tought of writing a synch software or just using rsych or whatever but even that I'm too lazy to do. I just put shit in a "tosynch" folder then once every few months copy it to the backup and move the files on both into the proper folders. It takes like... 30 mins. Eh.
>>109590894Is she ok?
>>109591294Yes, when she got home, her dad blew a large hubba bubba chewing gum baloon (cherry flavored) and caught all the bees.
>>109591396phewI was on the edge of my seat this entire time.
>>109586291What the fuck are you on about? you can absolutely have redundancy with a JBOD if you configure the host to manage tjat. with something like unraid or zfs.
Which should I go for?>2 Ultrastar HC520 12 TB, 300 bucks each, practically brand new>2 Ultrastar HC550 18 TB, 370 bucks each, 20k to 40k hours
>>109582580Make ur own version of that
>>10959151218tbAlso link so i can buy too
>>109582580>I'm getting into data hoarding but have zero knowledge of the hardware side.I hope you're rich>What is a good enclosure (4 drives)>usbthey don't exist>nasdiy or prebuilt>I'm planning on shuckinggood luck getting CMR drives in this economy, they aren't using exos anymore, you'll get some shitty ass baracuda instead.another, better imo, plan, I would just get two reliable sabrent SINGLE disk usb enclosures and swap the disks as needed.you don't want hardware to run for nothing in this economy so you'd better have your drives sleeping in antistatic bags in a metal SEALED (for smoke) case.I suggest full-disk encryption, if you're using windows you should use veracrypt, full-disk mode, then create an exfat (for maximum compat with linux and macos) or ntfs (if windows only) volume inside (hide your cp inside an hidden volume too)encryption isn't to protect you against glowies but against jamal who will steal your drive and sell it on facebook marketplace, atleast your data won't be in the nature.don't forget about BACKUP, always buy two drives, use rclone to duplicate data from your main drive to the other.you DON'T need raid, of any kind, not even zraid, it's a waste of ressources, it's for availability anyways, it's NOT a backup strategy (yes even zraid).if you're serious about getting into data hoarding then build yourself an x86 nas instead, install omv (based on debian), ignore truenas, zfs, you'll regret using this especially if your nas lives in your room as hdd will scratch 24/7 and you don't need all this bloat, you also don't need btrfs, ext4 is fine.tapes are worthless unless you can get a drive for VERY cheap, nothing under lto6 though, if you can't find any drive for cheap don't bother until you have over 100TB of COLD data.also get an UPS or you'll regret it
>>109591573What's the reason for getting a massively used one VS a pretty much brand new one? I'd link it, but it ain't in the ol' US of A. I'm traveling around and spotted both sets.
>>109582606/thread
>>109591512you can't lose much with either, but if the 12tb has no warranty then avoid that one.>>109591559>no hdd ventilationyeah those are gonna toast themselves.
>>109586107Would one of these little baby ass workstations work if the specs don't matter too much? I see these things get liquidated by the pallet all the time on ebay, though I guess right now they're being harvested for the sweet, delicious memory modules they have in them. Only issue I see is having the drives connected via USB, but I don't think speed is that important if all I'm doing is hoarding and occasionally watching The Sopranos every few weeks.
>>109591890Mini pcs are pretty neat, I wanna get like 5 of them for my homelab
The reason I like synology is their "Synology Hybrid RAID" were you can put in a higher capacity hdd into the volume and it'll give you the extra space that you paid for without losing redundancy.It's good if you decide to go for smaller drives in the present economy and replace them with higher drives in the future as they fail.
>>109591875Both have two months of warranty. They're being sold by some company that buys up equipment of defunct other companies, and I guess the company that went out of business barely used the 12 TB drives. They got like 10 hours on them.
>>109591938I have a really old synology nas that I have mapped onto an old Asus chromebox 3 with a i7 8550u processor and 16gb of ram. Picked it up really cheap and installed Linux on it. It's really small and discreet, runs cool, and uses very little power
>>109582580The branded ones all try to force they gay OS ecosystem onto you. You are better off just building a generic box and shove trueNAS or one of the other free NAS OSs on it. Get a used rack server - even better.
>>109582580If you do want a branded ecosystem, I have been tempted to get one from Ubiquiti. Theirs are priced to move.
>>109582822kys retard
>>109591875I bought thermal pads for all. Temps never go above 38
>>109582580Just put them into a old pc that has enough sata ports and install truenas. I'd probably just raid z1 them as a single vdev into your main pool and then call it a day. ZFS snapshots can be nice and if your worried about your data back it up off site
>>109593078I should add anything else is basically corpo cuck tier. And yes I get the irony of IX owning truenas buts its seems like the lesser of the evils, and its way nicer compared to figuring out zfs from the cli. If a dipshit like me can figure it out you can do it fren
>>109591890I use a Fujitsu Futro S920 I bought for 20 bucks as a file server. It has a PCIe slot for a low-profile HBA that I connect to the hard drives. I use a secondary PSU to power the HDDs which gets its signal to turn on from an add2psu adapter.
>>109586215also note that you need a compatible CPU and mobo for ECCin any case i'd recommend it. costs far more than regular RAM, however when you're dealing with fuckhuge volumes then bitflips become a practical issue
you don't actually NEED to hoard data
>>109593923You say that anon, but any day now those japs are going take down nyaa forever.... again.... and boy won't you be glad that I have "isekai loli harem #395947279: my other world highschool life can't be this cliche" backed up.
>>109594905>and boy won't you be glad that I have "isekai loli harem #395947279: my other world highschool life can't be this cliche" backed up.
>>109593923There have been a couple of purges of porn over the years.The internet is more sanitised now than it used to be.
for text archiving you really dont need anything else but a micro sd RAID set up
>>109597547SD cards are more expensive than SATA SSDs though aren't they? Or did SD cards just not get hit by the price increases, making them overall cheaper?
>>109593923>you don't actually NEED to hoard data
should i just get a DAS? i only use my phone as a hotspot for internet and having 4 external hdd's plugged in at the same time on a hub slows my pc down a bit.
I bought three 8TB 5400rpm Ironwolfs. Did I dun goofed?
>>109598935>having 4 external hdd's plugged in at the same time on a hub slows my pc down a bitSounds odd.Powered hub ?>should i just get a DAS?Sure.It'll be tidier.And basically has a powered hub built in.>>109598971>I bought three 8TB 5400rpm Ironwolfs. Did I dun goofed?Sounds fine to me.You now have more disk space than you did before.And Ironwolf is quieter than Ironwolf Pro.
>>109582580>I'm getting into data hoardingYou're late
>>109582580Building your own would be far cheaper and easier. Don't use Synology. They force their users to use their Synology banded RAM and HDD's which are just normal RAM and HDD's with their sticker on it at marked up price and if you try to use any other brand, you'll get an error that prevents you from using it. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/nas/synology-requires-self-branded-drives-for-some-consumer-nas-systems-drops-full-functionality-and-support-for-third-party-hddsRight before the RAM inflation, they were charging 90$ for 4GB of DDR4 SODIMM RAM. I can't imagine how much higher it is now.I wish I had known all this before I bought my NAS from Synology. The Synology software and OS that runs on them aren't very well documented either. I had to use AI just to figure out half the shit when setting mine up because you'd have settings with no labels or descriptions where any online guide or manual would gloss over these setting.
>>109591890>HP
>>109601423Enterprise HP is good shit
>>109601427Nah, their shit isn't tool-less to open up and do basic maintenance like optiplex micro. Shit sucks.
>>109601441My hp elitedesk mini is tooless entry and you can upgrade the bios super easily. Also what maintenance are you doing inside the PC? I run mine as a headless server using Vpro and almost never have to actually touch the thing.
>>109582606usecase?
how the actual fuck is anyone who doesn't already have a thousand petabytes of storage space supposed to start datahoarding during this neverending AI pricing crisis to begin with? The least retarded plan I could come up with was foregoing a NAS entirely, buying the cheapest refurbished 8TB+ SATA HDD on diskprices + a big enough external hard drive and just weathering the storm for the next couple of years, but even that would make me feel like I'm getting assraped
I bought a Ugreen NAS as I just wanted a turnkey solution and am really happy with it. Put a couple of white label exos drives in it, was cheaper than buying ironwolfs
>>109585645holy shit anonYou haven't used a modern distro in years.
>>109591938>5Why 5? I believe those support virtualization.
>>109582580>I'm getting into data hoardingyou picked a bad time to start
>>109582580>I'm planning on shuckingthen why are people telling him to get synologyany day they can decide to fuck you and switch to their own drives like they did before
>>109582822Still no counter-arguments I see
Buy storage.Buy backup for said storage.Manually put and backup stuff on it.How hard is this?
>>109602946Why not 5
>>109590894https://freefilesync.org/It's so good I pay for it.
>>109582580Use an old pc
>>109602888You start with things of smaller filesize, e-books, roms (ps2 era and earlier), music in mp3 format, movies/tv in 1080p. Then when prices are down (LOL!!!!!!), you can go for flac, pc games, 4k movies and so on.
>>109582580I just put my oldest pc Into a micro-ATX case (removed the GTX 960), filled the data ports with one SSD and the rest HDDs, installed TrueNAS Scale, did the dang thang and life is good. It's really just backing up old game iso's + music and running wireguard.
>>109583011No, it's not.
>>109583103>60 year old boomer who still uses AOL.Likely owns his home and has a hot wife and children/grandchildren. Sounds based.
>>109582606synologys hardware is so dated and underpowered for the price, go uGreen
>>109598579They're micro sd cards, just buy a bin full of them from the e-waste center or ebay. You don't need that much when archiving text anyways.
>>109607769go for an odroid h4 plus with the itx kit if you just want a 4 sata drive NAS, or the H5 if you want 10GbE and 4 NVMEs (yeah it's limited to 3x2 and the fourth port is 3x1, but that's more than enough to saturate the 10GbE line, and it does that at like 3W power, any machine you get with four 4x4 m.2 ports would use 10-20W minimum).
Yes
the hell you guys are archiving, to need more than 2TB ?I also considered it until i saw my collection weighted only 364go.I'll just wait the price to go down to get a 2tb ssd
>>109611417Anime, about 30tb of it./a/ had a scare many many years ago when the original nyaa got taken down. At the time I wanted to download a show that I had skipped from a previous season and had no idea where else to get it. Since then I've been habitually downloading most shows every season on the off chance I may want to watch them. I originally started downloading them from a paid for ftp and backing them up onto DVD data disk. Eventually (after I noticed some discs starting to rot) I built a NAS with limited understanding of how to actually set it up and transfered the ~500 discs I'd accumulated onto several non redundant 1tb drives each in their own pool with their own shareThese days it all fits into a 4 wide 18tb raidz1 pool used as cold storage. I also have another 4 wide 8tb raidz1 pool for movies, TV shows and cartoons from my childhood.
>>109611621Bro is a modern hunter gatherer. I only have saved 6 favorite anime of mine, i'm good enough. I guess i over download porn tho so i won't judge you too harsly
>>109611690>>109611417You're what everyone calls a, "casual". Often referred to as a "newfag".
>>109611831Dayum, is it the "bro" that gaves me off ? Or just the fact that my collection is under the weight standard set by 4channers
Only if you're rich
>>109611417PS3 games takes up a lot of space. my switch nsps alone takes up more than 3tb.
