what's your opinion on vibeslop
>slop this, slop that, blah, blah, blah...you're trying too hard to fit in. it's ugly
>>109590614>personal usefine>prototypingfine>anything elsenot fine
>>109590614>I built a thing>actually my friend did but I told to do itBut if it worked for Steve Jobs...
>>109590614>>109590805this>bro but look it one-shotted this shitty looking game with no story at all and no mechanics whatsoever>AI will take your jobok
>>109590614>i built a thing>but i told my employee to do it
>>109590614It's better than you.
shitting on people excited to share their first projects just because they used AI is pretty pathetic, and this is coming from a senior dev.Yeah their game or website has flaws, will be limited in scope, and they will hit walls and major problems expanding and increasing scope beyond context windows.That is learning and building
>>109590614Slop code cannot be copyrighted.That is all.
>>109591383>change some variable names and add some comments>it's mine nowretarded argument
>>109590614Care about the end result, not the method.
>>109591424False
>>109591383Prove it's AI code first.It's impossible without going on witch hunts.
>>109591435good luck proving any code is vibe coded to an extent you can make your "slop code cannot be copyrighted" claim
>>109590614>Your vibecode is shit>My code is Agentic engineered
>>109590614Vibe coding just tells me if there's something wrong with whatever you're making you can't fix it yourself.
>>109591479why would i need to
>>109590805I only ever use it for personal use.Currently I'm using it to get working animated widgets for my personal phone's lock screen, because I didn't realize that android phones couldn't use perfectly animated widgets until a dev feature came out earlier this year called remotecompose.
if you have never used the big agentic agents like fable and sol you are not allowed to have an opinion on "vibe coding", you fundamentally don't understand what you are saying is "useless"
>>109591736It’s amazing how many people haven’t, only interaction with Ai Is the Gemini Google summaries
>>109591736>if you haven't tried the latest, flashiest snake oil then you shouldn't have an opinion on snake oil
>>109592771take a second to think about that, yeah maybe if the new ""snake oil"" actually worked you look like a fucking moron for dying from something it cured
>>109590805Pretty much this
>>109590614vibeslop sucks. vibecoding doesn't have to. for everything else, there's rtfm.
>>109590623hey vibe code a word editor vibechamp
>>109590614VibeGODS are superior to whatever you have ever created, snailcat
>>109591435Nah he's right that's literally how I launder GPL code into my original code. Nobody can prove I did it.
>>109592771it's substantially better than it was 6 months ago. i was also on the non-ai boat in december due to mistrust in the output, but at this point if you are able to describe your desires well enough there are very few mistakes
The orchestra is only as good as the composer
>>109591364You don't learn anything using AI though. Well, you learn how to work around the problems, not how to actually fix them. You think they're learning how to code? Please.
>>109590623How about you vibecode yourself some girlfriendslop you nerd! Hahaha give me your lunch money.
>>109590614>aia tool with some uses>slopperscalling them niggers is unfair to animals from the african continent
>>109592991fixing problems is the real learning to code, no one cares if you can learn what heapq does anymore
>>109593004yeah fixing, not creating>but you won't notice them until laterhm, yes
the only acceptable use of llm during coding is asking it questions, never copypasting its output.
>>109590614>everything is slop waaahh! yawn
>>109592961That's not how orchestras work
you have only so much time in the world.some people might see this and interpret it as "let's have the machine do everything so i can get only results and not have to think about the work"others interpret it as "i'd like to spend that time doing things i enjoy and not engaging with things that tire me out"i'm the latter so i don't care for ai and if something used ai then i recognize that 99% of ai stuff follows the Slop-To-Flop pipeline to a T
why do people think they created anything when they just rented an external service to create things for them?
>>109594767they cope with their uselessness this way>>109590614>what's your opinion on vibeslop?its slop, its in the name
>>109591444Just proven it with time.Pure AI generated slops are unmaintainable.
you know how it's a huge issue when a big maintainer/developer of something leaves because they leave all their code "orphaned" and others need to take the time to really understand it, essentially "claiming" it and becoming its codeownerAI is not a codeowner, so it just leaves your entire codebase riddled with ownerless orphan code that all looks and feels different because it's just the statistically likely code, not code as someone has intuited itmakes it a nightmare to go back in manually after, so all you can do once you go slop is just keep using AI and asking it to make more and more layers as it doesn't understand its own code enough and just writes for results, not quality
>>109594758>i'd like to spend that time doing things i enjoy and not engaging with things that tire me outliterally the best usecase for AI
>>109594914my point is that it's both its best usecase and its largest oppositioni enjoy programming, i enjoy ui design, etc. so for me AI is like if you started a game and it just had a button to view only a couple cutscenes and then skip to the credits
i like more alternatives and tools. Vibeslop well offcouse its bad its slop but if actually werks and secure like any other then im okay with itWe need a new term, the actual opposite of vibeslop, when it actually is reliable, werks and secure. Options /g/?
>>109590805More or less this. I built a couple of android apps for personal use because I just wanted to get it done and I don't know the stack.I use it daily as work too and it has taken away the only part of my job that I enjoyed.
ideachads won, codetroons lostsimple as
>>109595042the ideas:>vibecode an exhentai uploader>burn 500 bucks in tokens while doing so
>>109595053cute copenow tell me how much does a computer "science" degree costs
>>1095950670.ez, just dont be born in a 3rd world shithole (weimerica)
>>109595075>0where ? in bangladesh ?
>>109590614I hate how people want others to care about their dumb slop project as if anyone couldn't just slop it up themselves.
>>109590614I try to keep mine as de-slopped as possible
>>109590614I build my own slop. If after long testing over a month it works, I unprivate it. But I don't make things for other people specifically unless it's an userscript or some shit you cant possibly fuck up
Vibeslop is bad, same as all slop.If you know how to use it right, nobody will even be able to tell. & if they do, they won't care because what you made works.Vibeslop is just the result of millions of indians shoveling shit everywhere with zero quality control. It's hit the inflection point where they can pump out shit that looks good on the surface but actually sucks, & move on to the next project.
>>109591736You were saying the same thing years ago for much older models. For years we have always just barely reached the point at which vibe coding works well enough, but you need the latest model to see it. And when someone points out that theu used the latest model and it still sucks, they don't know how to prompt. If you're not baiting you're retarded
It's fine. But if your project page is paragraphs of Claude slop then i'm not interested.The whole point of using AI is to save time and you want me to read this verbose slop. No thanks.
>>109590614AI is a tool. Give a hammer to a gorilla and he will go smashing shit purposelessly or bash other gorilla heads. Give AI to a midwit and he will aporoach his problems thoughtlessly and fail to build anything good.>Muh AI one-shotted XThese people are retarded aswell. If you dont tard-wrangle it every step of the way its descisions will suck balls and make your project slow and unmaintainable. To the dismay of corpos, they cant fire every cs person yet
>>109590614If they didn’t spend any effort making it, I’m not interested. It’s like getting your politics from chatGPT. You have to be sub human
a software engineer is the best user of slopcode services because he can generate slop systems in the code and coordinate them himself
AI is okay for snippets, research, templating, planning etc. If you make it build something of scale it will fail completely and utterly, produce unmaintainable garbage, and then gaslight you with the exponentially increasing number of bugs and issues. It might replace web developers and that's it. Even then you still need someone to make changes that understands it. There's so many fucking retards out there that've been copy-pasting code with no understanding of how it works like holy shit all AI did was expose what a joke the """tech""" industry is. Should've done EE instead...
>>109598176the thing is, there were plenty of engineers who already worked that way. copy pasting, generally stealing other people's work that they don't understand and cobbling it together and just getting away with it. happened all the time, AI just made it easier
>>109590805Yep. It's pretty awesome how Claude can just build little tools and stuff, but anybody that's tried to make anything serious with it knows that there is a wall it hits pretty quickly, and it's not because of context limits or token amounts, it's that these things are fundamentally not intelligent and are not thinking as they are coding. People will blast through thousands of dollars worth of tokens in a few days, but where are the products? It's been years now. There are no products, because AI cannot make good products. It simply cannot.
>>109590614I've noticed I'm starting using a lot more these last few months. It's pretty helpful for making small personal shit like bash scripts and so on, and hallucinations aside it is a pretty nice way to learn about things, being able to ask follow up questions or clarifications and so on.That said I wish people would stop sharing their AI shit like it's actually meaningful. Sharing AI generated things is the same as sharing crayon drawings from your toddler. I'm sure you as the parent can appreciate it, but to me it's just shit drawing. Just keep it to yourself and stop flooding every website with it.
>>109598574I know a guy that's constantly showing me the shit "he" made, as in he got Codex to make it for him. I am one step away from telling him that nobody cares about stuff the AI made for him. If he likes it and uses it, that's great, but what the fuck is anybody else gonna do with it? They can just ask Codex to make a version of the same thing, the way they want it to be. If someone puts genuine effort into a project then sure, I'll take a look at it, but AI-generated slop can fuck off.
>>109590954>AI was getting increasingly better but NOW it will stop improving and I don't need to interpolate at allok
>>109598818>AI was getting increasingly better but NOW it will stop improvingIt already has, actually, because investors are demanding a return on investment and AI training hit a pretty hard wall in terms of capabilities due to them running out of training data. Also, China is eating OpenAI's lunch with their open models, it's clear now that there is no hope for LLMs to become AGI the way Altman and the other Jews were promising, the technology is simply not capable of it. Companies are deliberately training less powerful models so they can run cheaper, and instead of adding more and more knowledge baked into the model they're running plain old search engines and retrieving data to include directly in the context. All of the talk about hyper-powerful AI models that could break into the Pentagon are smoke and mirrors because they want the government to forbid free models that threaten their business plans, it's not real.
>>109598881>AI training hit a pretty hard wall in terms of capabilities due to them running out of training dataActual retard with 6 months old talking points lol. Show me a single benchmark that shows hitting the wall
>>109598497>not thinking as they are codingMost programmers are doing that already.
>>109598497>but where are the products? It's been years now. There are no products, because AI cannot make good products. It simply cannot.almost every software product is made with the use of AI nowadays.why is everyone so low IQ on this board?
>>109599316oblivion remake is heavily rumoured to have been HEAVILY remade with AI. It dropped out of nowhere right about the time claude could basically handle it
>>109599316>almost every software product is made with the use of AI nowadaysJudging by how dogshit Windows has gotten in the past few years thanks to being coded almost solely by AI (according to m$, at least), that's not exactly a good thing
Took OpenAI six months to port their electron app to Linux. The Zig to Rust Bun rewrite is not going so well either. All I'm saying is with the productivity increases you think it would be faster.
>>109599322the assets? surethe code? it hardly matters, it's 99% the same code as Oblivion, just a few tweaks/fixes, you could use AI but it would not make much differenceyou act like they vibecoded the whole engine from scratch lmao
>>109590614Claude is the closest thing we got to AGI. Im kinda scared.
>>109590614You lost luddite and each day that loss get bigger
>>109600271Who said you should judge anything or even talk, mouthbreather?
>>109590614i built a thing using any available ai. as long as it solve the problem. if not. then just undo it.
>>109590805Most people are completely sleeping on how insanely useful this shit is for the most mundane non-computer things. Like if you wanted to build a bench or some shit and no nothing about carpentry claude can spit out a whole project plan and tell you exactly what to buy and do
>>109590805pretty much this.
>>109591435raped luddite award
>>109598497Skill issue
>>109594818Spot on. In my experience, when you look at it locally the code agents write is usually correct (albeit far too defensive for my taste, but it's at least justifiable).It's when you zoom out that issues arise. There's no bigger picture, no vision or consistency. AI will never, in the middle of writing a function, realize that another file already does something similar, get the idea to refactor both files to generalize the behavior or whatever, like a human programmer would.It might if you specifically prmpt with that in mind, or it might catch that during a code review, but if you trust it too much and lose sight of the shape of your codebase, you'll never even think about things like this.
I slopped up my old pc with it, then formatted the HDD and I'm living AI free since
If your entire self-worth is dependent on your programming skills, then you need reevaluate your life. No one cares that you're good at your own self-imposed artificial difficulty.
I think it's perfectly okay to use AI. If you can't build your own apps and don't care about updating or maintaining it yourself, go for it. As a developer though, I only use it as far as finding problems with code when I've hit a wall. I did once use it to create a full working app and it worked mostly like I expected. When I wanted to make changes to it, the code looked like Indian code I've had to refactor. Anything I (or my boss) care about, I may use AI when I've hit some kind of wall, but it's mostly my own work.
The only thing I could ever see myself using it for is as a gamedev, it could be a useful way to bring the time between game design testing and implementation down. R&D means a lot of random tests and iterative changes; simply do them with AI on a separate branch and once you've narrowed down to the game rules you want to change/add then you implement it manually against your real branches
>>109590614If it works and is verified by human eyes, why would one care?
>>109603225Because one is not a normoid scum who is satisfied with a black box product controlled by some remote entity with questionable ethics.
>>109598497I use it at work for minor updates to our code base, I always end up having to manually change the output though. Its great at the boilerplate, but it always adds unnecessary complexity. And a million unit tests that dont do anything. Its like a redditor trying too hard to be smart.
>>109594968>I use it daily as work too and it has taken away the only part of my job that I enjoyed.I was thinking that in the shower this morning. I get paid well to manage the AI deployments at work, but I fucking hate AI. I hate it. I hate that I know how it works. I hate that I know how to deploy it properly in enterprise architecture.I hate that I know how to properly eval test it in prod.I hate that its actually useful in enterprise industries, like financial services. I hate that I have to keep up with the literature.I hate that I have to explain this shit to retard business grad normies and shareholders. I hate that consumer hardware is basically gone. I hate that coding is boring now. I fucking hate all of it. I like the pay cheque though.
>>109590614Vibecoding and AI in general is good because:1. It allows me to work less2. It makes leftists mad
>>109592991This is actually false. AI can accelerate your learning or slow it down.
>>109590805Yeah the problem is with how heavily subsidized everything is right now will it ultimatum be cost effective for personal prototyping in the future...
>>109590614I think we survived the calculator riots. We will get over this too. Being terminally online isn’t good for people and “ai bad” is the latest room temperature take for those types of people.
>>109590614The only time someone has my attention is when it's something like a driver for some obscure bullshit that nobody else would have ever written.I'm also fine with people using it for decompilations. It's annoying work to get the compiler to match the code, why not let a computer do it. It's interesting to imagine we could have a proper open source paravirtualized virtual GPU driver to run Windows in VMs without shit tier performance soon. Parallels Desktop on macOS proves it's possible.
>>109602641er chud there are going to be real markets for hand grown for loops
>>109602641>No one cares that you're good at your own self-imposed artificial difficulty.That's not true at all, look at all the popular YouTube videos that are something like "I beat X game using just Y!"Employers don't care though and that's the only group of people whose opinion on this matter
