>>109594243
Because of a picture?

nobody who uses linux cares if linux catches on

>>109594259
>gee I hate more software and support coming to my operating system

Isnt linux already at 5% desktop share at this point? Havent several countries governments also rolled out plans to ditch windows for Linux?
Its already caught on

>>109594276
>my governments' e-mail machines run on linux!

>>109594274
Yes I hate more software, software was a mistake

>>109594274
the implication is always that linux needs to change to suit people who don't use linux, and that's generally not something people who use linux want.

we already have linux for people who don't like linux, it's called android

>>109594296
>android is linux

>>109594243
>windows just works
>okay - uses Windows ME
Kill yourself OP

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>>109594304

>>109594274
I don't need more

>>109594335
>bro you don't need Adobe premiere, you could just use KDEnLIVE
>daVinci resolve is a buggy mess on linux but it's ok that way!

what's that a counter board culture thread? w o a h

>>109594343
Just use ffmpeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kaIXkImCAM

>>109594371
Yeah bro I will totally be able to create monetizable footage using ffmpeg

>>109594423
AI will kill your job anyway

>>109594284
Bro do you need help carrying that goalpost?

>>109594284
My government uses Windows 8

>>109594243
It's not a great distro, but it's at least serviceable when you're not deliberately trying to reproduce bug reports like Linus did.
Linux has a distro for a lot of usecases, including corporate shilling and doing a stupid thing for a laugh.
It's not that hard to find a decent distro for your usecase if you do any research at all.
>>109594274
Most of the things that are incompatible are companies deliberately airgapping shit from Linux, because they know that companies and autists will start writing compatibility and interoperability tools for their software that would dismantle their ecosystems.
Industry standard and student license shit is built on proprietary standards and backroom deals that have such a wide degree of penetration because it just costs less to hire a retard and pay for his software than it does to train up a new guy on good software only for him to need to interact with hundreds of other retards running deliberately incompatible software.
They will not start porting to Linux just because Linux is more popular, these companies are already running Linux and would likely prefer the increased interoperability gained from not needing to run Windows or Mac for a bunch of stupid shit.

>>109594243
>doing this will probably break your system!
>only do this if you know what you're doing!
>if you're sure, type "yes, do as I say"
>types "yes, do as I say"
>breaks his system
tech """enthusiasts""" everyone.

>>109594274
I actually wanted Linux to become more popular in the past but I've changed my mind on that.
If the new people embraced the current way Linux works it would be good, but they all want to change it in ways I don't agree with.

I'm just not going to use it unless i get games. Until then you can have your little incelos.

>>109594652
lmao what dumbass nigger does that
>doing this will break stuff, are you sure you want to do that?
>>[y]es
>proceeds to break stuff
>>OMG why did it break

>>109594652
>Installing steam might break your system
Is this supposed to make linus look bad?

>>109594243
What Linus is doing is the equivalent of running Windows Embedded or Windows Vista or a Windows 12 Beta (PopOS is beta software btw) and then saying THAT'S why Windows sucks. I don't understand why he has such an obsession with PopOS.

>>109594624
this happened to the web and now it is designed around mobile

>>109594652
apt is such a pile of steaming garbage

>>109594720
>running popular distro is like running 20 year old windows version

>>109594624
we tried to fucking tell you!

>expecting a hardware shill to be able to use linux
he's not a tech guy, he's a marketer, of course he can't work it

>>109594243
Gotta keep trying one until you're happy enough with it to iron out any wrinkles and make your system work for you.
For me it was Arch of all fucking things.

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>>109594440
>get told truth
>instantly go into comedy cope
Its just boring ya know?

>>109594243
idgi
popos uses a normal linux kernel that works

>>109594771
>popular
Since when was PopOS popular? The only time anyone ever talks about it is to call Linus and idiot.

>>109594624
>>109594296
What changes do people want? Any complaint I've seen about it was just about the lack of drivers, or something about the DE thinking thats what linux is

>>109594624
>If the new people embraced the current way Linux works it would be good
The "current way Linux works" is a dumpster fire that's not suitable for desktop use. The fact that people don't like it is them calling the emperor naked.
> but they all want to change it in ways I don't agree with.
If freetards allowed themselves and each other to be critical about the shortcomings of Linux instead of treating it like a religion, it might actually become suitable for regular users.

As an example, Android actually fixed the most retarded part of Linux (installing programs).

>>109594779
... do you not see what you just posted? You're saying Linux is only for the hobbyist.

>>109594837
Let's start by adding portable programs and downloadable installers and get rid of mandatory dynamic linking and package management mental illnesses, as I just said in
>>109594872

>>109594243
I find it funny how whenever this guy tried using pop os it's always been right after the devs introduced some massive change that came with a shit ton of bugs. I mean, fair enough. Even if it's not indicative of the state of the distro, when you push those changes you better make sure there's at least some general polish such that a casual guy trying to do casual things doesn't immediately run into massive problems. I use pop os on my laptop, but I'm thinking of switching because there's no fucking night light, the brightness control refuses to work when I connect a monitor, and my keyboard is completely fucked. I like what they're going for with cosmic desktop, but come the fuck on. Are you seriously telling me it was higher on the list of priorities to make a screen filter for people with Deuteranopia that's going to be used by one person rather than having a blue light filter that almost everyone would want to use? The priorities seem to be all fucked.

>>109594879
So AppImages

>>109594900
Not him. AppImages are neat, I'll admit, but for some reason they seem to be the least popular option... which makes no fucking sense to me.

>>109594879
stuff like this is why i don't care to attract more users, they'll just turn linux into windows

>>109594913
I only use appimages and things from the package manager, never had to bother looking up how to use a flatpack

>>109594913
it doesn't have to make sense to you

>>109594900
A step in the right direction. But they also have dependencies, and aren't as simple ajd compatible as actual portable programs on Windows.
>>109594913
>for some reason they seem to be the least popular option... which makes no fucking sense to me.
See, I thought the same thing, so I looked up discussions about them, and found a bunch of freetards seething that it's not the heckin' unix way therefore le bad.
>>109594915
Into a system where you actually own your programs, which just work, instead of one where you have to install everything (only the latest updooted version available btw) from an app store, yeah. And that's somehow supposed to be bad. It's as if linuxfags enjoyed the humiliation rituals because they make them feel productive and l337 h4ck3rz.

>>109594243
There are more Linux users today than there were Mac users twenty years ago. And that's even without counting android as Linux. Times are changing.

>>109594963
I never had issues with them, and I did have a ton of issues with windows programs, you always had to do some workaround to make it truly portable, and some simply would not work

>>109594423
Your despicable kind is exactly what we don't want around us.

>>109594963
i wonder if you even realise how silly you look, insisting people who've done something for 30 years and prefer it done that way (package management), and because it's not the way you've been doing it, it's bad and should be changed to suit you instead.

it reminds me of all the people who complain that mpv doesn't have a ui more like windows media player or vlc, as if they're little kids who just can't fathom someone else might actually like something they don't like

if you don't like linux then don't use it! telling people they're wrong for liking it is just childish

>>109594981
It's not hard to write portable programs at all, that's the default. Hacking existing programs into portable ones is hard but it sometimes can be done. As a developer, I think you should always make programs portable if feasible.
For some programs, installers are fine too. Linux would need proper installers too (i.e. 1 single file that had everything).

>>109594243
and that's a good thing. keep consooming the gOyS

>>109594876
yes it is
i don't want casuals using my operating system

>>109595008
Yes, programs should generally be portable and only create folders inside its own folder.
But I still don't see what's your issue with AppImages, it's pretty much what you described, and you can even make one of some package

>>109594893
Every experience I've had with PopOS has been negative. It's not just that Linus is a fucking idiot, that distro is cursed. And I use Manjaro regularly with AUR. Still better.

>>109595003
The existing app store method clearly doesn't work for a ton of use cases. Linux was supposed to give you freedom, but it feels like it makes you wear a cock cage and do everything the way neckbeards tell you. Your beloved system falls apart when someone wants to install 2 versions of the same program, or when a program was compiled for another version of Linux.
Industry practices show this is actually a problem, that's why everybody uses Docker now if they want to guarantee their shit actually works. Or AppImage for some limited desktop use cases.
MPV looks like the same mental illness as vim. I don't have much experience with it, but I bet it would be hard or impossible to find an MPCHC replacement for Linux. It's not about individual programs, it's about the Linux crowd's allergy to good UIs.
>if you don't like linux then don't use it
I do like Linux and use it every day, but only the CLI for development. I don't like desktop Linux and don't use it, but I wish it was good.
>>109595020
>and only create folders inside its own folder.
Isn't this where appimages fall short? where do they put the config files?
I don't have an issue with them, just saying they do need dependencies. They're still the best option.

wasn't this linus thing half a decade ago?

>>109595069
2021 was only 2 years ago.

>>109594624
>>109594757
/thread
Making software for the avg cattle is really bad and should be avoided.

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>>109595060
you really still don't get it, do you? i don't care that linux doesn't suit your preferences, it suits mine just fine.
this is why threads like this make no sense. you think if we disliked how linux worked that we'd be using linux? is it just a projection of hating windows but being unable to move away from it because everything else is too different for you to handle?

The lack of proper installers and software CDs is fucking retarded.
With Windows I can grab the programs I want, EXEs or ISOs, and they will work forever.
I can keep my Visual Studio 6.0 ISO (or 2003, 2005, etc etc), install it in literally any version of Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP, etc etc, and it just werks.
With Linux I have to get gcc 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.89.100, hope that there's no bad bug that was fixed in version 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.89.100/2. Plus all the dependencies in the exact version that it requires. It might work in Debian 7, but not in Debian 8 because some dependency might have gotten pulled from the apt repo I had to pull all the dependencies from beforehand.
Oh, and there might also be a bug in KDE [version].[minor version].[minorer version].[minorest version].[minorestest version] that breaks something arcane that I might want to do eventually.
It's fucking retarded.

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I think the biggest, most catastrophic thing that they did with Windows 11 was change the UI.

It literally got to the point where I got my own elderly father to use Linux Mint instead of Windows 11 because Linux Mint "looks more like Windows" than Windows 11 does. That's been the major reason why my dad would NEVER use Linux up to this point, because "if it looks different, I can never learn it." That's always been the case, but now he's been on Linux Mint going on 5 months now and it's been great for him. Mint is basically just "Windows 7/10 but better."

>>109594624
same, at first it's like "i don't want to be seen as a gatekeeper", but now i know it's a bit complicated than that.
i still encourage people interested in it of course, i'm not actually gatekeeping, i just don't think changing something people like to appease people who don't actually ends up helping anyone in the long run.

>>109595126
I got my grandad to use xfce4 and chicago95 because he had a windows 98 pc once. All he does is use the browser to watch youtube videos of people fishing.

>>109595104
this is such a common argument, but it's only hypothetical, a fear that one day something you want to run won't run anymore, but the programs mentioned are never something actually useful... or for linux. if you're going to say this is a linux problem, why are the examples always windows programs?

>>109595153
that's cool that it works well for him. Familiarity is super important and as we get older we don't want the UI to change.

>>109595096
This is why Linux desktop will never be good. That's the topic of the thread. You don't understand it because you're part of the problem. When you treat something as a religion that's beyond criticism, it will never change for the better. But have it your way, mr. hackerman

>>109595173
You know some people use their computers for more than ricing tmux and running a browser, right? No backward compatibility is a real problem on all systems other than Windows.

>>109595204
Idk it seems to be working fairly well on my desktop

>>109595204
>This is why Linux desktop will never be good.
you have is backwards anon, this is why linux desktop will never be /for you/, because it's not trying to be /for you/

>>109595226
Enjoy your irrelevant OS then. The only reason it's been getting any interest is Valve and how shitty Windows 11 is.

>>109595126
I actually just installed it in a VM to try it out, and the default window snapping to the top of the screen only filled half the screen instead of maximizing the window. Like, who the fuck thought this was a good idea? I gave it the benefit of the doubt and proceeded anyway. I downloaded intellij and the default archiver shit itself trying to extract it. I extracted it via the CLI. At least intellij started up but that's where I left it.
>>109595232
I hate Windows 11 so much but I also tried it in a VM. It looked almost as bad as Linux but at least it was faster and it worked.

>>109595252
>the default window snapping to the top of the screen only filled half the screen instead of maximizing the window
Huhhh? It maximizes when I drag a windowed program to the top of the screen for me.

woah look a counter board culture shill thread on /g/, woah

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>>109595232
>Enjoy your irrelevant OS then.
thanks! i will :)

>>109595295
>>109595305
Hahaha look at this stupid nigger

>>109594720
because PopOS is a part of System76 and they sell laptops with PopOS preinstalled and Linus invested in Framework so he needs to shit on a competitor

>>109595315
based, total tranny MOD death

>>109595096
You've done nothing to defend your position other than "I like it". Well what do you like about it?

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>>109594243
>carefully picked the version with a packaging bug for entertainment purpose
ltt is a show for children and you should be ashamed to watching it as an adult, especially as a tech literate

>>109595506
>You've done nothing to defend your position other than "I like it".
that is all the explanation i need.

you like stuff, right? do you feel the need to justify to others why you like the stuff you like?

this isn't a debate about who is right or wrong, as it's about subjective personal preference. with no single right or wrong answer. i want to be clear that i do not think you preferences are wrong either. i believe you can prefer how windows does things.

like i get why people generally like portable software or other old software that runs on current systems, that is that some software can get worse over time, so the ability to run an older version is a critical feature to some people. but as someone who has used linux to some degree for over 20 years, this is something that is conceptually different. foss software (atm machine) less often gets worse over time to begin with, and in most cases where they sometimes do, they're forked. the problem that causes your concern is itself different with linux software.
from what i've seen, this concern appears to be imaginary, going off the assumption that foss is like proprietary software, where running old versions of things is frequently beneficial, where with foss it isn't.

>>109594879
Assuming this is a legit argument and not a troll, you do realize windows has dynamic linking as well, right (.DLL files)? Also nothing is "mandatory" on Linux, you can statically link everything if you want, though your binaries will probably be huge. Iirc there is a distro that does this

Genuinely don't get this obsession people have with installers. You retards do realize that all an installer does is extract a bunch of files into some folder on the c: drive. You can do the same thing with a deb file or an rpm, or even download the tarball and extract that yourselves.

>>109596023
i suspect it's just one guy who keeps bringing up static vs. dynamic linking, since static linking isn't common in either os.

in actual fact, static linking makes more sense in linux than it does in windows. for one, all the libraries you're likely to use are open source so static linking is possible to begin with, and also linux (the kernel) has a stable ABI, so static binaries will work with newer kernels.
contrast to windows, dynamic libraries are a bigger part of how windows works than even linux, as even kernel communication is done through libraries. the windows kernel ABI is /not/ stable, instead expecting windows programs to make system calls via kernel32.dll, which they dynamically link to.
Wine wouldn't even work as it does if not for this. wine doesn't handle syscalls, because it doesn't need to. 99.99% of windows programs don't make syscalls, because none of them are static.

what he really means is programs with all necessary libraries bundled vs. not, which is difficult to compare between windows and linux because defining what is necessary get murky quickly, especially since linux as an os isn't one thing. it would not make sense to provide literally all libraries, since some libraries are hardware specific, like ones used with hardware drivers. i think windows users make this argument not knowing that software distributed like this would require linux become more monolithic like windows is, and that's not something linux users want. people who push against this know what would be required of linux to support it, and that's why we're against it, but this is beyond what most people understand about windows.

>>109594653
lmao what the fuck this cannot be real
he's playing a character here right?

>>109596203
>he's playing a character here right?
Absolutely. It's all for clicks and views he tell you that's what his company does. CLICKS AND VIEWS.
Everything is fake and gay produced ONLY FOR CLICKS AND VIEWS. Truth doesn't matter only ad revenue.

>>109596203
>>109596268
If he was who was it aimed towards? The 3% (then) of people who use Linux?

>>109596331
LTT is technology content for children

>>109596193
>linux (the kernel) has a stable ABI [...] the windows kernel ABI is /not/ stable
This btfo's the wintard

>>109596543
they truly just don't know enough about both OS's to compare them in the first place

>>109594837
Those are the changes people want that Linux users are so opposed to. Being able to set up your PC in fewer than 3 weeks without the thing uninstalling itself is just too much to ask, and antithesis to the Linux experience.

>>109594963
but you can already do that, even without appimages. just unzip the tarball and run binary if its provided?

>>109594686
>You have to do this if you want to install steam
>[Yes]
>Are you sure? Installing a program is very difficult for Linux and could brick your system
>[Yes, please install steam]
>Whoops! The operating system crumbled under the pressure of running normally and bricked your system! It's your fault!
I guess it's his fault that he chose to waste his time with Linux. That doesn't seem like the own you think it is.

>>109596621
ah, the ol' make shit up argument.
my first /gentoo/ install took about 3 hours, what the fuck takes 3 weeks? and uninstalling itself? what does that even mean?

>>109596645
See
>>109594652

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>>109596642
it's been 5 years. 5 years to learn what actually happened.

5 years from now people will keep posting this, because that always happens.

>>109594652
can any wizards explain what happened here? steam just werks on my arch (btw) gnu+linux operating system machine

>>109596711
The issue was caused by a temporary server-side packaging conflict in System76’s official repositories that affected anyone attempting to install Steam during that brief window. Steam required 32-bit compatibility libraries that clashed with the 64-bit packages already installed on the system. APT’s dependency solver concluded that installing Steam required removing the conflicting packages, which cascaded into uninstalling the core pop-desktop metapackage responsible for the entire graphical environment.

>>109596768
won't stop windows users from bring it up literally 5 years later that a minor packaging bug in a distro nobody users is why linux is bad.

>>109596768
thats straight retarded nigga, but who exactly is to blame here
apt? pop os? im guessing pop for forgetting to package things correctly (isnt that your only job as a distro maintainer?)

and yeah, linus should have read the command at least lamao

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>>109596820
pop_os. it was a packaging issue unique to pop_os. but you know how it is, any issue with any package or distro remotely related to linux is a linux issue. doesn't matter that pop_os is a literally who distro, windows users don't know the difference.

as far as i can see, the issue only lasted about a day, and it happened 5 years ago.

>>109596978
grim
i dont want to shit on popos too much since i support the idea of linux first hardware (no idea why it has to be so expensive but to each their own)

i really dont understand why they chose to make their own distro instead of shipping it with debian or fedora... im guessing people get off with the idea of making their own distro

>>109594824
I don't use popos but my wintard friend recently installed it and he had tons of problems with it. Especially with resolution and Fullscreen games on wine. I bet it's because of Wayland but when I searched how to switch to Xorg I've only seen redditors making fun of X and telling people to use different distro/old versions.
The amount of time people are willing to waste debugging mess like this just so they don't have to read few Arch Linux wiki articles honestly baffles me.

>>109594536
>Most of the things that are incompatible are companies deliberately airgapping shit from Linux
It's because they don't want to deal with maintaining compatibility for 200 different distros.

>schizo meltdown

>>109597079
>oh shit, the conversation isn't going my way, i'm being embarrassed! better start spamming to make people discount this thread...

>>109597041
i use wayland and games just werk idk

only thing that ever broke for me is chromium/electron but thats what firefox is for!

>>109594243
POP does just work and it works well. It's a solid distro.
That whole situation just goes to show how legit and genuinely stupid people are.
The NPC meme is real.
Linux let's you do what you want, it doesn't stop you from anything.
POP clearly said "If you do this you WILL crash your system." Stupid tranny faggot did it anyway and then blamed the OS.
Now, a reasonable person would point out, yeah you crashed it after it told what would happen... But given how, as I said, genuinely stupid the average person truly is ...

>>109596711
>retard gets a terminal prompt that tells him that it'll remove packages
>it explicitly says that it should NOT be done unless you know what removing these packages would do
>redundant to the point where the comfirmation tells him that what he's doing will fuck up his linux install
>his linux install is fucked
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>109594259
Which is contradicting the fact that Linux users are obsessed with getting as many people to switch from Windows to Linux as possible.

>>109597124
very few linux users do that, you only think they do because that's the only ones you hear from

>>109597109
yeah but why would installing steam remove the de lawl (i mean i get it now, but how did no one catch this?)
>>109597124
i used to be like that but i realized i dont care, if someone seems genuinely interested, i will encourage it, but trying to get normies to swap over is pointless.

linux only becomes good if you are willing to learn it, if you try to use it as windows it will just be a shitty windows

>>109597195
maybe you should step back and take a good look at where you're going, because i've used linux for over 20 years and can't say i see many people blindly evangelising linux like you suggest.

>>109597144
What >>109597195 said, the "loud minority" cope doesn't work when it's the only voice present. If the tree falls and it doesn't make a noise and all that.

>>109597195
seems to be mostly newbs
like i said i was too, i get it. its like how converts to a religion are much more zealous compared to people who practised it their whole lives

>>109596645
nta but I've definitely ran into cases where my distro would just randomly uninstall drivers for no fucking reason or make broken installs without telling you.

>>109597102
>POP does just work
>installing steam bricks your computer

>>109597195
I am still using same Arch Linux I installed back in collage(10 years ago). I have changed my laptop and disks like 4 times now and it still works just fine when dd'd.

>>109594652
>being a complete retard
>omg why did it break!
>it's never my fault!
>it's always someone or something else's fault for my blunder!
Deserved.

>>109597270
>bot post but w/e
okay, what am i supposed to do about that? if you hate him so much yourself, why don't (you) take care of it?

>>109597207
>yeah but why would installing steam remove the de lawl (i mean i get it now, but how did no one catch this?)
it's been a while since i looked into it, this was half a decade ago, but as far as i remember the steam package was uploaded to their package mirrors before its' 32bit dependencies were, or the other way around. this resulted in a situation where trying to install the steam package resulted in it wanting to install packages that were incompatible with basic system packages, including the desktop environment.

note that using the gui package manager would not cause anything to break, as apt (the package manager) had enough information to block this (as the pop_os desktop was flagged as important), nor even running apt from a terminal could do this directly. this is where the meme "yes, do as i say!" comes from, apt knew enough to know this would probably break stuff, so it requested the user literally enter "yes, do as i say!" to go ahead and remove the pop_os desktop, which it stated it would do ahead of time.
on windows you'd never be able to get this far, if windows update thought an update was off it'd give you a vague error you can do fuckall about until eventually they fix it and it works again. the only difference here is that apt did have a "well, if you REALLY know what you're doing..." option. after the incident, pop_os patched apt to remove that option, fun fact.

>>109597219
>go to random place
>guy wearing a grease-stained Arch shirt marches up to me, panting from his strenuous 15-step jog, and demands to know what OS I'm running
>"Huh? I use debloated Windows 10 with classic sh-"
>"DID YOU KNOW THAT LINUX CAN DO EVERYTHING WINDOWS CAN, BUT FOR FREE? YOU SHOULD TRY IT, IT'LL CHANGE YOUR LIFE."
>Back away as he tries to pull out his Thinkpad, booting up his Arch install
>Doesn't even notice I've gone until he hits the login screen 15 minutes later

>>109597296
i'll take "shit that never happened" for 500, as the americans would say

>>109594624
Don't worry anon. There will always be at least one distro that gives you exactly what you want.
Nobody will use it except you since it'll be terrible because only those baby duck'ed onto old school garbage design choices will like it but you will still get what you want.

>>109597292
>on windows you'd never be able to get this far, if windows update thought an update was off it'd give you a vague error you can do fuckall about until eventually they fix it and it works again.
also i want to be clear that this would have been the case for any other user of pop_os as well.
for one this affect only people wanting to install steam on that day or who tried to update their system on that day who already had steam installed. steam was not installable during that time but the system didn't break by itself.
i wouldn't be surprised if linus was literally the ONLY person who actually broke his system from this error, as i don't imagine anyone else high enough up mt. stupid to actually do what he did. it takes a special kind of person to know to try it in a terminal then ignore every warning along the way

I wish mods could dox and fucking kill this schizo retard instead, it'd be like putting a rabid animal out of it's misery.

What drives a person to this? This has been going on years. I've been on 4chan since 2004 and very little surprises me or shakes me anymore, but this is honestly kind of disturbing.

>>109594963
>instead of one where you have to install everything (only the latest updooted version available btw) from an app store
You can lock and downgrade flatpak apps to whatever you want, including storing them on a usb stick.
You want Firefox from, I don't know, November of 2021 or whatever? Sure, it's just one command.
All you need is to not be a raging windows retard.

>>109597449
He's been doing this all day while I got a 15 day ban for making a "poo in the loo" joke on a blue board

>>109597698
I think I know how you feel. Myself, I got a 4 day ban last week for posting an MLP meme picture in /b/

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>>109597372
>it takes a special kind of person to know to try it in a terminal then ignore every warning along the way
it takes a special kind of braindead retard to still seethe uncontrollably about it 5 years later
freetards are NPCs

>>109594243
It just works if you pick either Fedora, Debian or OpenSUSE
Everything else is either a downstream of these or is a toy for tinkerfags

>>109597723
that's the difference between the "annoying evangelist freetards" you hate, and people like myself.
i didn't bring up the kids show ltt to begin with, i only posted details about how it happened.
i enjoy being helpful.

>>109596673
>I've been getting owned for 5 years and I will continue to be owned for the next 5 years
You don't have to use Linux, you know. No one's forcing you.

>>109597990
>said the braindead freetard feeding anti-linux troll threads 24/7 like the subhuman NPC he is

>>109594243
>windows just works
>Ok
>windows 8
>NOT THAT ONEEEE

>>109594274
Correct. See how Windows went to shit.

>>109595530
>a show for children
picrel?