>>109598085
do you have a passport nigger? those require fingeprints too

>>109598085
>the issue isn't that the state has a copy of your fingerprints the issue is that it's on this plastic card
If anyone is left wondering why Germany is declining its this mentality and prioritization.
We killed our best in WW1, our second best in WW2, the third best left in the 80s and 90s and whatever remains really speaks for itself.

>>109598085
what part of destroying the RFID chip would save you from registering your fingerprints with the government? it's still on their database, despite your cards RFID working or not.

>>109598085
>high-tech magnet
Can't you just pull one out of an old/dead HDD?
Or are they not strong enough for what you want?

>>109598085
>Germany
>Technophobia
No wonder.

>>109598085
You can erase your fingerprints with acid.

>>109598085
Making sure that great replacement is progressing smoothly.

coke forge

>>109598085
Retarded schizo he doesn't know that they've already obtained his fingerprints, his birthmarks, and every possible recordable data from the moment he was born until the last time he appeared in front of a camera. Go ahead and fake your death if you want privacy, or just fucking kill yourself, they won't follow you there

>>109598085
fingerprints is the easiest thing to evade
fukken wood glue goes onto hand
then you sandpaper it down to smoothness

thats what south african gangs do
fuck gloves, thats for rich pipo

>>109598098
Of course I don't have a passport.

>>109598102
There is no way to stop them from taking my fingerprints, retard. I've been trying to find a solution for months, there is none. They at least claim to delete the fingerprints immediately and only put them on your ID. I don't believe them but it's not as if I had a choice.

>>109598103
They claim that they don't save them but delete them immediately after encripting and putting them onto your ID. This would mean that someone finds or checks your ID and can copy your fingerprint. With a damaged chip, this wouldn't be possible anymore.

>>109598128
>>109598162

Doesn't work, they send you home if they can't find a good fingerprint and force you to return later. Their sensors check for manipulated fingertips.

>>109598186
aaaah, so youre talking about *taking* your fingerprints
nah youre fucked there

what you can do, though
is avoid *leaving* fingerprints
thats where the wood glue thing comes into play
its the way to wear gloves, but without wearing them
bc cameras and shit

>>109598215
It's less about leaving fingertips (I'm not a criminal) but more about someone copying my fingertips to frame me.

>>109598085
I tried to dodge it, too, but as it turns out the german ID is not even bad with regards to security and use-case shit. They could actually use it even more instead of forcing apps, but they won't, because they don't like good technology

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>>109598227
Are you an AFD member? Are you a sexy lady? If not, why would they give half a fuck about you?

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>>109598085
Skill issue

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>>109598255
I will tell you the answer why they're interested in my identity if you tell me the best way to destroy the chip first.

>>109598085
Serves you right for being German. If I had been born in Germany I would have killed myself immediately to avoid the ignominy and daily humiliation.

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>>109598288
Sure you can throw it in the microwave oven. It doesn't delete your fingerprints from Police databases.

>>109598171
>They claim that they don't save them
What would be the point in having your finger-print on your ID, if the government or anybody else don't also have it to compare it by.

>>109598085
get an 8x AAA/AA pack, put every single one of them in series (have fun doing that, get some wood/carbon and make a shape that will hold them all with enough pressure to make reliable contact) to get ≥12V and then place your test leads from your multimeter that you managed to connect to that 12V contraption to the chip's terminals, going in pairs from top left to bottom left, shorting every possible pair, that is only if the chip is visible like on credit cards
that's what I do with sim cards when they're failing so nobody can extract my saved contacts

You are really making a poor example out of germany right now. The RFID is not going to hurt you. You are already bombarded with non-ionizing radiation 24/7/365. I live in San Francisco. I am fucking bombarded by non-ioniznig radiation constantly. You don't see people in San Francisco dying prematurely, do you? I see asians here living well into old age, still walking about and enjoying city life, riding on muni, having a nice time. I see people of all walks of life and all ages, nobody is dying from non-ionizing radiation here, and we have probably the most of it on Earth. So please, get over your fucking conspiracy theory.

>>109598319
Will it destroy the chip before it melts the plastic?

so does france. I think I read somewhere that prints were optional, but no one asked for my opinion when I renewed my card. They registered them as a matter of course.

>>109598365
>I live in San Francisco
>Posting form 1 hacker way

>>109598347
To compare it with your fingerprints, so you don't use another person's ID card, according to them. But it doesn't really matter what they say because it isn't one of the things I can change.

>>109598365
Did you give up on reading anything in this thread after the first three words? This isn't about radiation, it's about forcing you to give your fingerprint to the government and being forced to carry it around on your documents.

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>>109598171
>They claim that they don't save them but delete them immediately

>>109598371
They used to be optional and I got my last ID update 1 month before they made it mandatory. But that was 5 years ago and you can't choose anymore since then.

>>109598227
oof
is someone wants to do that they only have to follow you and pick up a can you thrown in the bin, or take your glass when youre drinking at a bar

>>109598085
Retard do you realize that destroying the chip voids its validity as a travel document?

>>109598366
Probably, but then you can't buy meat at Lidl without the cashier pressing the STASI button while playing dumb wondering why your card doesn't work.

>>109598409
>it's about forcing you to give your fingerprint to the government
They already know everything about you.
>being forced to carry it around on your documents
Aren't you also forced to carry around you know...your fingers? Why does it matter if it's also on your ID card?

>>109598453
This is 4chan, the further we go is welfare office

>>109598453
This is simply not true, you don't even know if your chip works when you travel unless you scan it regularly. E-Gates won't open for you but customs officers will check them manually. My last ID stopped working at some point and I travelled by plane without any issues.

>>109598455
Why would I use my ID at Lidl, we usually use our credit card for stuff like that.

>>109598453
>Retard do you realize that destroying the chip voids its validity as a travel document?
The Down syndrome gene is inside Germans.

>>109598462
If they knew everything they wouldn't have to try so hard to force you. It makes no sense to invest so much into technology to find out something you already know.
I know where my fingers are but I won't always know where my ID is.

>>109598227
Easier to just call you a pedophile right-wing extremist

>>109598526
In Germany, shoppers IDs must checked and verified at supermarkets before they are allowed inside the supermarket.

>>109598552
>but I won't always know where my ID is.
If you are suffering from dementia I think you should worry about other things.

>>109598571
Anything but deportations, right? Even extinction event is more preferable.

>>109598571
What are you yapping about

1) Rape?
2) Gun involved? Was someone actually shot?

otherwise chances are they simply do not care

>>109598085
do you have a phone that supports NFC? using https://f-droid.org/packages/im.nfc.nfsee/ I was able to scan my debit card and my ID (not German, but also an EU member state)
ofc it won't let you read the fingerprint data itself, but at least I think you can use this way to verify whether your attempts at destroying the RFID chip were successful. Just try different things, like putting it in the freezer or whatever, until your phone can no longer detect the ID.

>>109598714
Thanks, mate. I'm gonna try it on my new ID tomorrow.

>>109598505
a decade ago you didn't even need an ID to travel between EU member states

Freezer really? Lmao

Microwave that retard, or strong magnets

Freezing doesnt destroy electronics

>>109598571
Just stop. Germany is a shithole but they are not that fucked. Yet.

>>109598764
You still don't.
t. EU fag

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>>109598810
to go to polan you need a passport afaik
i suspect its the same for hungary

>>109598810
You don't need a passport, you need your ID though.

>>109598832
Nigger, I came back from Poland three weeks ago. No you don't need a passport. You have to keep your basic ID with you but there are no border checks or anything.

>>109598849
baste cuz i dont have mine
but also completely fucked up
whos gonna turn around all the islamists?
the country's a henhouse

>>109598843
You're generally requiered to carry your ID even at your home state tough.

>>109598775
Thanks Anon, you're right, I guess some fed honeytrap tried to fuck me over. Cold temperatures don't do anything against RFID chips. I'm going to try the microwave method.

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People in the west have less than 2 years left to get local AI hardware and get off the internet. The cattle in zog-occupied nations are being set up to be marked and herded, and there is nothing that can be done anymore to stop it.

People are going to be basically mind-controlled by Claude in a couple years and it will be very difficult to tell what's real on the internet anymore, including documented events from the recent past. The internet is already an extremely hostile place for normal human cognition, it will be much, much worse in two years. I don't know what's after that, but it sure seems like these people want to enslave humanity, and it's looking like they win.

Get local AI and get off the internet.

>>109598085
>not knowing he good comments already has your fingerprints
>freaking out when they ask for them
How brown?

>>109598085
>that pic
Holy reptilians, not making any effort at this point

>>109598890
U know you don't NEED an ai chatbot, right?

>>109598355
Why bother doing that when the AC is right there, at 230V? Wouldn't that fry the chip better, with less things to purchase?

>>109598944
AI chatbot will give you 90% of what the internet can give you. The internet was good and useful at some point, not anymore. It's about to be killed or subverted to enslave you. If you want the good and useful part of the internet, an AI chatbot can be that. Sort of like a condensed internet. LLMs aren't perfect at all but they are dense mechanism for knowledge retrieval.

>>109598849
>No you don't need a passport..
>...but you have to keep your basic ID with you
Sounds like a shithole

>>109599003
That's a bunch of words for saying "no, I didn't knew that".

>>109598186
>they send you home if they can't find a good fingerprint and force you to return later
if you fuck your fingers with accident they can call you back as many times as they want but your fingerprints will still be gone

>>109599037
Ok

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>>109599062
Ugh why hasn't this thread didn't dieded yet

>>109599075
>if you fuck your fingers with acid*
what the fuck did this autocorrect just do with my post

>>109599062
>That's a bunch of words for saying "no, I didn't knew that".
Is it? Are you sure? Can you explain?

>>109598085
you fucking idiot, microwave for literally 1 second after freezing the card

>>109599124
>Is it?
Yes
>Are you sure?
Yes
>Can you explain?
Yes

>>109599133
wouldn't microwaving it submerged in water be the perfect solution considering it will still likely fry the chip but also reduce the risk of the plastic itself melting?

>>109599136
I don't think you'll miss the human internet at all. You're already worse than a bot. I would much rather talk to AI than read what you type.

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>>109599157
yes just make the card float on top of water that will provide enough of cooling effect, this literally needs 1 second, you can go for a second 1 second burst, then try reading it to see if it works, likely wont, damage will be minimal, just slightly warped plastic

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>>109599099

>>109599240
keep your retarded chatbox obssession to yourself

>>109599253
rude

>>109598085
>Goymany
You mean New Turkistan?

RFID is a tracking device

Adam Savage from Myth Busters back during myth busters they wanted to test an RFID tracking theory since back then documents with RFID started to be released and people were very suspicious, so Myth Busters wanted to do part of an episode on it, but when they started to do research on this, they got very stern discouraging, and then parent company didn't want anything to do with the topic.

So basically this technology after 9/11 is actively used to track, I am not sure how true, maybe someone with Flipper Zero or HackRF can confirm, but i imagine if you enter any public spaces, airports, they can track all RFIDs in 3D space and know who is who

>>109598085
microwave the card, that will cause the chip to pop. But keep in mind the chip is just a number that links to their database, so you won't really achieve anything

Why destroy it? You can always get a wallet with Faraday cage proofing.

>>109598409
>fingerprint to the government
Your also giving up your face, height, race, first, name, last name, address, ID card is just one of those things you have to compromised if you want a life without any inconveniences.

>>109598085
>>109598288
>destroy the RFID chip
stick it between your phone and a wireless charger
I don't know what the fuck the freezer would do to it, magnet probably wouldn't do anything either

>>109598085
how about we talk about the retarded implementation of eID here?
>always have to put in the 6 digit number on the card to do anything with the card (fine on its own)
>the moment you input that number, the reader can read most of your information
>that means it is essentially useless for anyone but the government (who you are forced to trust)
>that means if your PC is compromised and you use your eID to sign a document or whatever, the attacker can easily read information he could use to take out a loan in your name (since the law still permits hassle-free loans)
>one of the useful features for the average person would have been the presence certificate, for which, once again, you have to put in the code that lets the reader read exactly who you are, what your document number is, your "ssn" and more, so the ONLY benefactors of this feature will be companies you can trust with giving all of your information out to.
the only things behind an actual pin are personal and signing certificates

>>109599918
>the only things behind an actual pin are personal and signing certificates
but they're useless security-wise if someone can still forge your signature and it being deemed as valid
so at this point activating and using the eID just exposes you to more possible data leaks and problems that it just doesn't solve since it still isn't treated as the only source of truth for important documents

>someone covertly taking your ID can quickly copy your personal information without you even knowing it happened, copy your "biometric" photo to whatever device he's reading it from
better not lose sight of that wallet ever again
it just accelerates dangers without providing much of anything

maybe we'll get actual zero knowledge proofs and no data leaks for simply accessing the card in 2050 lmao

>>109599963
bro we are already going towards ZKPs, VCs, and DIDs. I talked about this shit on matrix endlessly and at least one person took me seriously because IBM implemented VC and I literally have a verifiable credential from them.

>>109598227
>but more about someone copying my fingertips to frame me.
If a state actor wants you frame, they will frame you, sometimes they don't even go that length they just tell the courts some lies and boom you spending your time in the gulag, but your in the EU so most government aren't levels of rigged like north korea.

>>109599984
ok bro and how does that fucking change the slowness of the fucking governments you drooling fucking tripfag??? we had public key cryptography since the 70s too and what about that?

>>109598085
Just smack it once with a hammer

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>>109599984
So what your saying is to invest in cryptography companies within the next decade?

>>109598085
couldnt you just induce enough current in the chip with some kind of powerful coil to burn the chip up?
t. clueless

>>109598085
return to your original country illegal immigrant jamal.

>>109600065
Define original country

>>109600000
>>109599999

>>109598085
just take the train everywhere, you're in Germany

>>109600044
Manufacturers who manufacture for FIPS are set up to make huge gains over the coming years, mainly because FIPS has updated its policy to mandate the move away from RSA to new cipher suites, such as Kyber/CRYSTALS-Dillethium . The reason being is that if a serious quantum computer gets built, shors will break RSA, every RSA (even PGP) encrypted message going back in time becomes trivially readable. Doesn't matter if you used RSA4096, it's plaintext. Thankfully the statute of limitations applies.

Anyway, upgrade your PGP key to use Kyber. Research what companies are winning FIPS contracts, especially contracts with regard to HSM (hardware security module) devices.. Those companies are the ones that will win over the coming years, as these FIPS mandates roll out to government agencies.

>hash of the fingerprint is saved on the chip and literally nowhere else
>border agents and police can use this to verify it is you same but more accurate than the photo
What is the problem with this from a data privacy standpoint??

>>109600485
address this though
>>109599918

>>109598085
tiny needle

>>109600425
>quantum computars can predict random numbers
show me one that wins every lottery then

>>109600495
eID is a separate matter and completely optional (opt-in)
even if your deveice was compromised the data is stored on a secure gov server that won't hand out any of your info to unvetted parties
other than if you are over 18 y/n that is. which may be used to enforce age laws on pornsites etc

>>109598462
>They already know everything about you.
"It doesn't matter" is a shit argument. Getting complacent and letting people who hate you and want you dead have their way in any way no matter how small is stupid because they are looking for ways to turn those little things into your death or destruction.
How about you post your name and face here for us to see you. It also will not matter in the slightest but you could at least prove that you believe the shit that you type.

>>109600534
it is opt in, yes.
the data is stored on the chip though, which means your are wrong.

>>109600542
the chip contains a HASH of your fingerprint
you cannot restore or recreate it from that, only verify if it matches

>>109600551
im not talking about the hash
im talking about the rest of the information as described in >>109599918

Just get a new id with these on
https://getsmart.fandom.com/wiki/Fingerprint_Gloves

>>109599075
They use infrared light to map out your blood vessels in the fingers themselves so they can still at least match you to a government database. As for the finger surface, i believe there is a way to effectively print custom finger prints using glue and an etched surface. You can get a laser engraving of a finger print and use glue to give yourself a set of fake finger prints on top of your real finger print.

>>109600554
it's the same with the data like you name, date of birth, etc
nobody without an internet connection and a certified device will ever be able to get your info

>>109600563
no? all you need is a smartphone with nfc