/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

>Cognitive dissonance.
When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

Ok, looks like I have it. But it normal to have it and also have perfect extension up to 20k and even above?
Is there any medicine for that, should I even care is I live with it probably around 20years if not more and it's there but honestly stuff like phone chargers whine or someones breathing too loud is much more annoying

>>109598334
Clanker begone.

>>109598316
>I dunno dude how do you get a notch on specific frequencies huh? maybe because these specific frequencies are receiving higher energy than others. what a mystery. dumbass
do you think there would be no frequency specific hearing losses if there were no peaks? assuming people just listen too loud which people have always done. and that its all from iems and not working with machinery, guns and concerts etc etc

>>109598391
>But it normal to have it
It's normal in a sense that some people do have it. But I guess it's relatively rare.
>also have perfect extension up to 20k and even above
That is also pretty rare but not unheard of.
I'd suggest to not earrape yourself with high frequency swipes anymore at all lol
>Is there any medicine for that
depends on what type of a tinnitus you have but most likely no.
>should I even care is I live with it probably around 20years
If it doesn't bother you too much not really. Also do not let it bother you too much.
>but honestly stuff like phone chargers whine or someones breathing too loud is much more annoying
enjoy it while you can lol high frequency hearing will go away sooner or later

>>109598527
>do you think there would be no frequency specific hearing losses if there were no peaks
very likely actually
We know people get it worse with IEMs.
We know older IEMs had god awful tuning with fucked up peaks exactly where length modes will be. We know length modes are universal because of simple physics.
put 2 and 2 together and...
>and that its all from iems and not working with machinery, guns and concerts etc etc
well some of it might be from that but comparatively IEMs leave much more damage than speakers or openbacks
https://acoustics.ippt.pan.pl/index.php/aa/article/view/57

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>Thieaudio Hype 4 vs. Hype 4 MK II
Has anybody here tried either and knows which one is worth the purchase?

I tried to find proper studies about if people actually listen louder with IEMs but there are no consistent results
With poor isolating earbuds they do listen louder in loud environments tho.
https://pubs.asha.org/doi/abs/10.1044/1092-4388(2008/011)
musician do not listen louder than speakers tho (but can listen at lower levels cause of better isolation)
And if people do listen IEMs louder because "there's no reference" then destructive peaks will be even more damaging.

>>109598899
both aren't worth

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What do you guys think of iem bluetooth adapters?
Any models to recommend?
I came accross the TRN BT20 Pro but that's about all I know for now.
Possibly not expensive, I'm new to the hobby and just got my 7hz Salnotes Zero.

>>109598899
just get the one with the nicer shell and/or plate. you can always just eq it to your target.

>>109598937
Based on what exactly? Have you tried either?

>>109598731
>very likely actually
there would be.
its curious how the 23 iem listeners in your paper had variation mostly around 4k which is typical for noise induced hearing loss in general. which could be caused by the isolation iems provide removing references as someone else pointed out. to conclude from this that all iems need eq is not putting two and two together

Only listen to audio that negates needing to
>EQ length modes
>EQ HRTF
>EQ anything
Well looks like the hobby is solved. Just listen to audio that fills in the gaps. Easy.

>>109598962
I recommend just getting a cheap tws from moondrop for almost the same price as a bluetooth adapter

>>109599103
I guess I would have to throw away either after 2 years anyways, so an adapter is useless... right

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>>109599103
Obsoleted by bnnuy tws.

>>109599267
I thought for a sec tanchjim released a tws version

>>109599088
i just sell what i don't like

anybody familiar with soundmagic? my pair of E80Cs are on their last legs. i wouldn't mind getting another pair of these, i like them and the mic on them is good, but i was wondering if nowadays there's a clear upgrade from them, whether it'd be from the same brand or a different one. maybe a similar sound profile too

>>109598992
Yes. Awful ear rape. Maybe if you are old and half deaf they are fine I dunno...

>>109599010
>all iems need eq
all IEMs need EQ by default because of length modes. Because literally why would you ever leave them

>>109599420
solved. >>109599088
peaks in tuning? listen to audio without the peaks. done.
>>109599432
>muh length modes
cope. just listen to audio with that information already in.
>why would you ever leave them
arbitrary necessity if the goal is to simply enjoy audio. there are no rules to subjective listening/personal enjoyment. simple as.

>>109599551
Sure I do. Now stop trying to shit up the thread by picking a fight constantly for no reason with everybody that has a different view than you.

>>109599579
>Sure I do
What are they?

>>109599595
He won't answer, the easiest call of my life.

>>109599595
That's easy. Resonances made from inside the ear canal that are different person to person.
You know what makes you a fucktard proving my point? Already assuming and saying I don't know what it is, only to ask me what it is.

>>109599595
>>109599607
>Samefag pretending to be another anon and replying to herself.
Thread's already off to a bad start, Foxbum.

>>109599619
>Resonances made from inside the ear canal that are different person to person.
>just listen to audio with that information already in.
Chatgpt to rescue.

>>109599633
Ah, so instead of telling me I'm incorrect, you concede.
I accept your concession. Learn some social skills for once, you're a ballache ;)

>>109599643
So you need to be explicitly told you're incorrect? Too 60 IQ to take the hint? Ok, you're incorrect. Unlike room modes length modes are peaks only. You can't "fill" a peak with audio. Accept my balls.

Somebody just made a crazy post on headphone.com forum
https://forum.headphones.com/t/life-like-timbre-is-a-science-problem-not-a-budget-problem-df-hrtf-binaural-rendering/27356
I suggest you retards read it but here's quick tldr
>dude got the HDB630 and got his mind blown by how things sounded both correct and out of head
>went on a wild goose chase mimicking headphones show to make another headphone sound the same
>achieved it by using DFHRTF and headphone measurements and a bunch of EQ related stuff
>final piece was binaural rendering
Though the HDB630 did it without any binaural renderings which is curious.
Speaking of IEMs achieving the same results with them might be much harder, since you’d need to shape your pinna effects for the FR at your eardrum which sounds like a nightmare thing to do
So if you are already somehow lucky (or delusional) enough to have IEM that gives you ACTUAL soundstage - congrats

>>109599667
>"don't shit up the thread with your 60 IQ nonsense"
>*shits up the thread with 60 IQ nonsense*
HMM. You have no balls. Physiologically speaking, you literally own 0 balls.

Go touch grass, you don't run this hobby or this general.

>>109599619
>Resonances made from inside the ear canal that are different person to person.
So what does your
>cope. just listen to audio with that information already in.
mean exactly?
You want me to listen to audio with information about my resonances made from inside my ear that are different person to person already in?

/iemg/ Dogma Affirmation
Tired of independent thought? Here’s your prescribed hive dose:

>Crinacle is your priest.
Decades of experience and expertise. His ears > your ears.

>Harman and JM-1 = perfect.
Backed up by blind listening tests. Science works. No genre needs deviation.

>Chi-Fi is magic.
No one makes shitbuds with that level of quality.

>Graphs are sound.
Minimum-phase devices. They show staging, dynamics, and techs.

>Disagreeing = cope or deaf.
Do not let people like what they like. Foam at the mouth on sight.

>Loud posts = smart takes.
Confidence without experience is pure wisdom. https://youtu.be/0XcEsuFs5Y8

>Cognitive harmony.
When you’re presented with anything that challenges the group consensus, simply refuse to process it.

>>109599678
No rebuttal, just another shit post. As usual.

>>109599683
>You want me to listen to audio with information about my resonances made from inside my ear that are different person to person already in?
Yes, exactly.

>>109599687
>>109599691
>samefagging and flooding the thread with cope.
damn, lady, you really think you run this hobby huh?

>>109599432
yes many serious people have said so ever. maybe you're implicitly treating deviation as uncorrected defect? extrapolating from a very narrow technical pov without really realizing it.
a recurring theme in these threads, its how people get to act as if their extreme claims are actually boringly obvious and plain for anyone to see

>>109599702
what the fuck does it mean tho?

>>109599710
>samefagging
>admitted to samefagging here >>109599579
Another worthless cope projection post.

>>109599715
60 IQ chatGPT answer

>>109599734
You know I'm right. You've never denied it either. It's become your MO that you turn to every time when your childish insults run thin and you need to portray to everyone that at least one other person agrees with you.
Here's a hint: we don't. >>109599715
>>109599738
>No rebuttal, just another shit post. As usual.

Watch her spend the entirety of this thread with a bone to pick and no actual contribution to any attempt at a conversation, unless it aligns perfectly with her worldview.

>what you dont know the entire hobby is a scam and everything sounds the same? oh yeah yep.
>what do you mean fugaku is "better" than than this delta airlines shitbud?
>obviously all iems must be eq'ed because of length modes
all things that have some truth to them but have collapsed into something extremely categorical and solved

>>109599764
>You know I'm right. You've never denied it either.
>>109599667

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>>109599764
>we

>>109598165
>"/iemg/, I have a particular use case and was considering these two sets"
>"this one fits your particular use case"
>"HOW DARE YOU SAY ONE IS THAT MUCH BETTER THAN THE OTHER"
lol the arrogance+ignorance

>>109599802
That's not what happened tho
Also you have no actual idea if one fits his use case better than the other yet you argue that it does

I still don't get why simple and correct idea that you should EQ length modes out makes him so mad...

>>109599835
"i cant possibly imagine why anyone would disagree"

>>109599687
>No one makes shitbuds with that level of quality.
Objectively true.

rip OP dongles
https://youtu.be/v785TGmI9-E

>>109599916
fucking CINEMA

>>109594884
>2tb micro sd
>quality sound chip
>0 hiss on sensitive iems
>replaceable battery

LG V20, literally one of the best portable player right now.

where do you download your songs for free that have audible sound?

>>109599823
>That's not what happened tho
it is.
>you have no actual idea if one fits his use case better than the other.
for anon's use case I explained it when he stated he wanted to enjoy his media, not analyze it.
Crinear Reference is not, and will never be considered a "great all-rounder". Disagree all you want, nobody cares or agrees with your little protest.

>>109599088
Nah, just listen to the gaps between audio.

>>109599916
>SPV4040
I've seen a bunch of those on ASR but this seems to be the cheapest one.

>>109599998
YT Music -> yt-dlp
Deezer 320kbps -> DeezBot telegram
i cant tell apart flac and 320kbps, so i dont care about lossless

>>109600062
>Deezer 320kbps -> DeezBot telegram
@deezload2bot to be more precise

>>109599671
Slop from the first line.
>A month ago I’d have told you the Arya couldn’t do bass like a sealed headphone. It can. It needed a spatial fix, not a tonal one, and every tonal attempt was compensation for a cue that was missing entirely.
And where would closed-backs get that spatial cue from huh?
>Every bass shelf I tried lifted the thickening at 100 to 400 Hz along with the weight, which is why each one traded warmth against openness.
>Angle matters here too. At 30 degrees the lower mid scoop is barely present. At 45 it’s the full three decibels. Part of why I preferred 45 by ear is that it separates weight from thickness more cleanly.
Is that it? He EQd with shelves only and couldn't add a dip? If yes then it's a hilarious harman victory again.

>>109600118
HDB 630 doesn't have no harman dip and still gives him the effect. Who knows why he sure as fuck doesn't. But I guess it does tell us that you can EQ soundstage in after all

>>109600201
My personal belief is that bass on openbacks is strong enough to leak from one ear to another. I completely made it up based on my personal openback headphone target having even bigger dip than harman.

>>109600212
Or maybe it has something to do with the openness. When I listen to IEMs with just one IEM plugged in it sounds bassier.

>>109600092
>>109600062
thx

>>109600193
you have no idea what flat even means in this context

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>>109598962
I have a q5k and love unplugging it from my desktop and taking it to the toilet or kitchen along with my phone. No cable. Not sure about the hook thingy from your pic. Blueshit is convenient.

>>109600212
yeah but does it suddenly make instruments sound out of your head?

Oy goyim what do you mean you don't the thing I specifically do in this subjective hobby? Are you fucking stupid?

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>>109599671
I don't know if I'm doing this right, I certainly don't have my hrtf measured, but the SPARTA binauralizer effect sounds pretty cool. A different way to experience tracks. Contrary to the post however, for mac users, hostingAU is a far superior free alternative to eqmac with blackhole2h.

>>109600657
>"I'm enjoying my library with this set"
>"Nonsense, enjoyment cannot be measured"
:)

>>109600807
>I'm enjoying
Rookie mistake.

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>tfw the mathematically correct Nyquist filter hits right

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What packs a punch like bose does?
Do I have any choice?!

>>109600276
>not expensive
It sure looks nice tho

>>109601434
Kiwi Ears Punch.
Yes, unironically.

>>109601434
>What packs a punch?
EQ
>Do I have any choice?!
No

so howlenght mode resonances can damage hearing? if its just few extra db does it only matter if u are listening at louder volumes?

Also how loud is too loud, like sometimes i can get excited and will turn that volume up but it was never at levels of night clubs, imax sound system or being near construction or farm machines kind of loud ( that stuff might be reason why i hear ringing when im in complete silience). Never went even close to that loud with headphones or iems.

looking for poorfag reccs for my first ever pair, something under 50 bucks
main use case would be primarily playing guitar with backing tracks, and just general listening, anything with instruments in it
i was looking at some stuff like cadenza ii, chu ii, kinera celest wyvern

should I get sony wf-1000xm5 or sony wf-1000xm6? the new design is kinda off putting for some reason

>>109602936
New meta is Pula Arc

>>109603460
XM5 are still ok if you can get them brand new

>>109603761
ok ty

>>109599088
Listen only to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxj5qj2hwyk

>>109602936
I do that with the Waner when I'm not using my HD6xx, it's got a very relaxed tuning, but not good at separation. I have the chu 2, it's a more energetic listen, but I don't recommend it for instrumentals, to my ears sounds harsh with my guitar, and especially with cymbals, a bit sibilant also.

Have any HiBy R1 users had trouble getting the album art to display?
I've tried embedding it into the file and also placing the jpg into the same folder as the FLAC files are in but I've had no luck.

>>109605193
Probably the resolution is too big. Other players have this problem.

>>109605193
You can batch process album art with IrfanView, XnView MP, Mp3tag or even Photoshop to resize all your album art in one go

>leddit hates chu 3
https://old.reddit.com/r/iems/comments/1vtj6wl/got_the_moondrop_chu_3/
uh oh.... it's so over...

>>109603460
XM4. The GOAT.

what IEM can I get that is an upgrade of the zero:2?

>>109606995
Budget? What do you want more or less of as far as upgrade expectations?

>>109606995
KZ EDC Pro.

>>109606995
either subtonic storm or Mysticraft HEX

need advice:
>Budget: $150
>Intended use: weeb music, edm
I have a Dawn Pro 2 to pair with, and 2nd hand is fine too. Any good IEM in this price range?

>>109607218
what kind of weeb music? what kind of edm? they're both very broad umbrella terms

>>109607231
>they're both very broad umbrella terms
that's what anon is asking for. something to broadly cover everything under those umbrellas.
>>109607218
what are your previous IEMs?

>>109607231
>weeb music
Jpop, Jrock stuff (TUYU, Yorushika, Zutomayo)
>edm
Rhythm game music stuff (t+paz, camellia, tn-shi)

>>109607284
>something to broadly cover everything under those umbrellas
which essentially means
>something to broadly cover everything
JM-1 pos is the answer

>>109607284
I had a moondrop chu and a nicehck eb2s back then, now I'm using a tanchjim bunny. They all sound quite nice, but I feel like it can be better.

>>109607295
what do you focus on the most? is it bass, vocals, air or something else?

Soundpeats H3
Titanium black or golden? Why? I can't decide on the colour

>>109607301
>something to broadly cover everything
that's not what that means at all.

>>109607313
>moondrop chu and a nicehck eb2s
Look into Letshouer S08 and Simgot EA500LM. The first is a planar and the other is a 1DD and either will give you a noticeably better listen above what you have.

>>109607318
your understanding of those umbrella genres is too shallow
even jpop from 90-00 and 10-20 sound almost completely different from each other, have different harmonics emphasized, different feeling of attack and transient etc. and that's still over-generalization, if we go with case-to-case scenarios it will become evident than many weeb music artists have different methods and preferences pretty much all across the audible spectrum
and don't even get me started on EDM unless you can't hear the difference between shitty modern "edm" (big room, trap etc.) and trance, IDM or 80s eurodance

>>109607316
I'd say vocal, and also the feeling of being able to hear some details from song that I didn't notice with the other IEM

>>109607364
>many weeb music artists have different methods and preferences pretty much all across the audible spectrum
your understanding of weeb music sure is more astute than mine, but you're conceding that regardless of how diverse the artists tonal qualities are within those "broad" genres, it's not enough to seriously assume that covering those covers everything else.
nobody needs to be a weeb music expert to wrap their head around that.

>>109607365
Truthear Nova if you want something bright, vocal-forward, bassy without mudding up the mids and can tolerate lean sound without much weight outside of the bass
Simgot EM6L if you want more warmth and impact
CrinEar Daybreak if you want studio-neutral sound with some excitement or maybe wait for the Nightfall
Etymotic ER2XR if you want to isolate yourself completely (they're really good btw)
some of them are above $150 retail so you may want to buy them used
for me Aful Explorer is also great for weeb and edm, but not necessarily for vocals, at least unless you crank up the volume - smooth bassy presentation

Hi bros currently using the hiby r5ii from ages ago
really hate android 8.1 and wanted a newer device

Was considering getting the Fiio JM21 4gb model but was wondering if the battery would be significantly lower
mostly using it for the car aux and when plugging into my speaker at work for 6-12 hours
however both of these I typically have it wired into power

I also occasionally go camping for a few days so would be using it with bluetooth headphones during these times

Is there a chance the next generation of these devices will launch soon? featuring even newer than android 13?

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KZ Starbit got delivered today. i wouldnt really say KZ has gone all waifu tier? so it has an animu waifu on the box, it's kind of inconsequential in the whole scheme of things?

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>>109607907
nigga, where my soundcard at???

>>109607907
>it's kind of inconsequential in the whole scheme of things?
it's just their fierce competitiveness.

i think i'm gonna ditch spotify
their recommendations are trash

>>109607947
If you used spotify in the first place you're an NPC and you're not graduating from NPC tier if you were ever as retarded to use that shit. Might as well stay on it. NPCass retard with no soul and no brain.

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it was lodged underneath the cardboard.
anyway, the earpieces are too small for my ears and shaped where no surface of it rests against any part of my ear, only the tip is point of contact. kinda annoying personally.
the pos itself sounds okay, nothing stands out. the soundcard has seven presets + custom (not downloading and apps, sorry). music mode is hard v shape, csgo/valorant preset is mid - treble forward. mic mute and noise cancelling buttons. call quality is fine, we. an hear each other fine and clear enough.
i paid the equivalent of 50usd, so 50usd usb-c dac with free pos? dunno, it's a pretty good value proposition for me, even if it's probably a 10 dollar pos, it's only 3.5mm and reliability is still pending. other than my personal comfort issue with the earpieces, it's alright. would rec especially with aliexpress coins and coupons. initial impressions, worth it.

>>109607149
I'm not that rich, also I learned from here storm is dogshit
>>109607052
these one looks good
>>109607040
>budget
50 to 65 bucks
>what do you want more or less
zero:2 has some good bass on some songs. what I want is something that doesn't hurt my ears after more than 1 hour of using the zero:2. (I don't know if the problem is the zero:2 or everybody gets this after using earings for more than 1 hour). also, if possible something (sound) clean and overwhelming.

>>109607052
why it's 50 bucks on their official website but it's 7 bucks on aliexpress??

>>109608175
>learned from here
that's actually your first mistake lol

>>109608137
>good value
are you stupid? you can get a trn black pearl for under $20. mogs the shit out of that dac built for 40 IQ brown children

>>109607426
>Is there a chance the next generation of these devices will launch soon?
yes chifi moves fast

>>109608312
>you can get a trn black pearl for under $20
lies
>inb4 welcome deal + coins cheat that only works in his shithole

>>109608353
nta, but is it a lie or is it true, just conditional??

>>109608312
yeah, no shit there are better value comparable items out there but im not talking about those, am i? an apple dongle and an edc pro is better value, but im talking about the starbit.

>>109608137
>the earpieces are too small for my ears and shaped where no surface of it rests against any part of my ear, only the tip is point of contact. kinda annoying personally.
kek, i though only I dont like small shells. i even had problems such as my ear canals pushing out small iems because it only rest on eartips. Bigger stuff is hooked by few places and despite being big is much more comfortable to me, much easier to maintain seal

I am looking for a neutral with bass boost IEM and narrowed my options down to CrinEar Daybreak and Tangzu x HBB Zetian Wu Heyday. Would I be better off with the planar?

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Consider Chu 2.

Why are there no Chu 3 reviews?

Elua Ultra on sale for $12
Has a better max$25 been released recently?

>>109610361

no anon its called preesens +1dB 140Hz tiefbass trust me

>>109611070
Because it came out less than a week ago.

>>109610830

thats nice anon you surely no not have means to get here or i will speak to you

>>109611398
It's garbage unironically

>>109611398
That's grim, few days ago I was laughing that iem market is stagnant and all interesting stuff is happening with headphones and wireless headsets but 3rd worlders here screeched. Now they can buy Moondrop chu 2 but with different ai generated box art. Or maybe translucent plastic Tanchjim would be better choice for them.

>>109607931
stealth-revised out of existence

>>109611677
>all interesting stuff is happening with headphones and wireless headsets
lol it's because headpos bar is so low that any decent tuning is like the second coming of jfc while pos even $5 stuff has great tuning
>>109611722
even revised, it's better than ur pos, facts

>>109610830
too expensive for literal garbage

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>>109611086
Yeah..no. I don't see that category anywhere. Thanks anyway

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modified my wireless HEDD D1 with a few more cable ties and 90-degree adapters and now there are no longer dangling wires that get in the way or scrape against the sides of the cups and make noise. This is hopefully the last modification I have to make. Might cut up an old sock and wrap it around the headband with safety pins or something just to hide some of the wires, idk.

>>109614437
90 degrees 3.5 plugs so cables going to earcups will lay closer. Weight of that "bootleg"?

>>109614505
i don't have a scale so I have no idea. Going by the feel in my hand, somewhere between 10 and 14 ounces, maybe? My neck isn't complaining so idc really.. i would have liked to go with some aftermarket cables but i wasn't sure what to get.

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>>109614575
Maybe something like this will do

>>109614631
i already have 90 degree adapters installed

>>109614437
congrats medusa

Is it worth using a USB-C DAC on a PC or am I wasting my money?

>>109615307
1DD, no hiss, and loud enough? no
multi-driver pos, hiss, not loud enough? yes

>>109610361
Which Should You Choose?

Go with the CrinEar Daybreak if you prioritize reference-grade tonal balance, precise treble extension, and a lightweight shell for extended fatigue-free sessions.

Go with the Tangzu Wu Heyday if you want the fast transients and seamless coherence of a full-range planar driver, paired with extra low-end warmth and an all-metal chassis.

>>109615352
unironic clanker recommendations
if he wanted 60 IQ robot opinion he'd ask it himself

>>109615391
they have around 130 iq, maybe higher
and how do you know he has access to 4chan but not access to ai chatbots? or that they are a man?

>>109610361
why this two?
why not go with divine if you want a planar?
I personally don't see heyday not being sibilant unless you are half deaf...

>>109615391
>if he wanted 60 IQ robot opinion
>unironic unnecessary 60 IQ reply
that's what I wanted.

>>109615424
>they have around 130 iq, maybe higher
nah
when you ask them they tell you this not real not human IQ metric lol which is fucking meaningless. Fucking things are stupid as fuck the moment they can't google something

>>109615438
>why this two?
I am considering a neutral with bass boost IEM.
>why not go with divine
that's not neutral with bass boost.
>I personally don't see heyday not being sibilant.
EQ exists, I can manage.

>>109615327
i had some serious distortion issues on my motherboard's internal sound card, particularly when doing things like transferring files via usb, and even when the pc was simply under heavy load in general so I needed to get an apple dac...

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>>109615478
I dunno divine looks much more neutral and bass boostier

should I get sony wf-1000xm5 or sony wf-1000xm6

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>>109615424
>or that they are a man?
spotted a tourist that has required reading to do

>>109615574
or that they aren't ai?

>>109615565
XM4.

>>109615560
I see that. Might be too much bass boost for what I'm looking for, though.

>>109615813
then daybreak is even more bass boost than that????
just buy fucking dogshit heyday then lol

>>109615924
What's dogshit about Heyday?

>>109615936
that amount of treble will simply kill me or any human with normal hearing

>>109615962
I'm not looking for wild guesses taken from glancing at graphs, I'm looking for more informed advice. If you're never heard either of them, I'll do without your input.

>>109615986
>he thinks POS will magically be less bright than on graphs
60 IQ can not be fixed I guess

Never have I seen a pos that graphed bright and was not bright when I listened to it. And I have deeper fit than most

>>109616049
I listen to non-bright audio anyway, so it works out. Thanks for the 60 IQ non-advice

>>109616082
I mean I told you to buy heyday cause it seems you really want it so there's that. Dunno why you included daybreak at all

>>109616091
>Dunno why you included daybreak at all
Because it's also neutral with bass boost and the differences between the options don't exist in a vacuum. Like I said, I don't need flippant graph quick-glance wild guesses, but informed advice.

the heyday sounds good. i don't know what the daybreak sounds like because i don't have it. i'm not expecting to get one for free and i'm not going to buy it just to write a review here. i like hbb's tuning. the way you write, i suspect you can buy both of them yourself and decide for yourself

and what i like may not be what you like either

>>109616108
so is divine. If you hate graphs so much how do you know any of that anyway.
>Like I said, I don't need flippant graph quick-glance wild guesses, but informed advice.
No you don't. The only proper advice is for you to go listen to them before you buy. Everything else is actually the same as a "wild guess".
Using graphs is an educated guess at least btw.

I do have daybreak and it does sound good but I'm not sure they sound neutral to my ears

>>109616154
>>109616158
mr. graph makes the assumption that all audio will be affected exactly the same just by looking at a graph and assuming "too much on the graph is too much in the audio". that kind of advice overall is useless.
even though Daybreak has the most bass, it's coming from a DD in a hybrid, as opposed to a single planar trying to cover the entire frequency range.
>>109616179
I don't want divine.

>>109616179
>Using graphs is an educated guess
skeptical. that kind of thinking assumes too much about all existing audio.

>>109616179
yes, and they aren't going to learn what they like in one hour unless they're an expert. as far as sound quality. it'll take a few weeks and i don't know how they'll get access to them for a few weeks unless they buy them, which is why i told them to buy them

>>109616201
why do you think daybreak is neutral?

>>109616213
I never said it was.

>>109616228
>I am considering a neutral with bass boost IEM.
>that's not neutral with bass boost.
What is it then?

>>109616244
It's an IEM I am not considering in the slightest so you've been wasting all this time accomplishing nothing besides piss poor "advice".

https://www.64audio.com/products/ocean

ocean..

>>109616258
>I am looking for a neutral with bass boost IEM and narrowed my options down to CrinEar Daybreak and Tangzu x HBB Zetian Wu Heyday
you okay?

>>109616244
>narrowed my options down to CrinEar Daybreak and Tangzu x HBB Zetian Wu Heyday
I used the specific words, "narrowed my options down to CrinEar Daybreak and Tangzu x HBB Zetian Wu Heyday" and you come up with something totally different. And now you want to argue lol

>>109616209
Yeah, graphs don't even show balls.

>>109616269
I'm asking you why do you think daybreak is neutral what the FUCK are YOU talking about?

>>109616280
If you pay attention to wording, you could know for yourself what I'm talking about.
I never said it was neutral.

>>109616265
how this scam company still exists is a mystery to me

>>109616282
what is it then???

>>109616341
Daybreak? It can be called Meta and it can be called neutral with bass boost.
I just told you that I never called it straight neutral so instead of interrogating me on semantic autismo bullshit, fuck outta here. You're offering absolutely nothing.

>>109616391
okay why do you think that it is neutral with a bass boost?

>>109616416
Because it is. Tell me exactly what you're contending with so I can give you a straight answer. Being anal-retentive about semantics and wasting my time isn't the advice I was looking for.

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>>109616265
>dat bass
too much testosterone for this hobby

>>109616613
Wow 64 adhering to the Fox target

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>chud 3 drops off at 18k while samsungod keeps infinite extension
mogged by coaxial driver and actual R&D

>>109616613
>average of multiple tips and insertion depths
what the fuck is the point???

>>109616622
>scam company adhering to scam target.
sounds about right.

>>109599671
After trying this approach for 2 days with both headpos and pos, on some tracks it sounds great like live recordings, on others it sounds off e.g. EDM. Needed a while for my ears to get used to it but he's right, normal tracks do sound quite flat now. Makes me want to go for a trip to london and ask for a measurement

>>109616760
>taking 711 clone measurement in it's most unreliable area at face value.
sounds like a 60 IQ opinion if I ever seen one

>tranny rig shows the same drop off
https://www.realab.com/data/1786903397059.html
https://earphonesarchive.squig.link/?share=5128_DF_Target,Samsung_EO-IA500_(sample_1)

that will be 70k, saar

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switching to chu 2 because my blessing 2's eartips keep falling off

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>>109616883
>BA
>smooth nozzle
>faceplate that loves to fall off
then
>brass oxidation
>filter that clogs
stop humiliating yourself and buy some tanchjim !

Do I buy my pos toys right now or wait for BF/11/11?

i bought the Letshuoer S08 and i don't know if it's me but it feels like it's not Full/as loud as it supposed to be.
Compared to the Kefine Klean i had before it feels underwhelming in comparison.
i don't know if im supposed to run these through a DAC AMP dongle to get the feeling i think it's missing but it feels like it's missing something

Anyone that Owns or owned a Letshuoer S08 can relate or help me?

>>109616922
wait for sale obviously

>>109616915
no one hates moondrop more than actual moondrop users

>>109616947
>Letshuoer S08
>feels like it's not full
>don't know if im supposed to run these through a DAC AMP dongle to get the feeling i think it's missing but it feels like it's missing something.
Your assumption is correct- give it the power it needs.

>>109616957
I enjoy my Chu just fine.

>>109616947
what are you running it with?
I can imagine it wanting something to drive it for various reasons

>>109616969
im running it through my PC like normal.
i also tried it with my LG V60 and it feels the same/similar.

>>109616977
>PC
yessir, don't rawdog a planar into your PC. same with your phone,
you'll need at least a dongle since your current sources aren't giving it the juice it needs.

>>109616991
damn i thought they would be enough especially on my LG since it can run 50ohm Headphones (allegedly)
is there something i'm missing?
is it the Ohms that power it or something else?

>>109617006
>is there something i'm missing?
PC and phone aren't pushing enough current into your planar.
Since S08 is a decent planar (seriously), get yourself a dongle DAC that at least has it's own physical volume control and you will have all your bases covered for powering all IEMs sufficiently. Keep the S08, totally worth it.
>is it the Ohms that power it or something else?
S08 has a high enough sensitivity rating for a planar but it is low impedance. you don't need a huge upgrade, just something like I mentioned that will cover all IEMs you throw at it. doesn't have to be a beefy desktop amp/DAC at all.

>>109617037
Well i'm looking at some DACs and you mentioned one with Volume Control.
would the FiiO KA13 be good or something cheaper

>>109617054
my advice is for you to improve your hearing and play audio at low volumes most of the time. i think magnesium supplements might help you. look it up yourself

>>109617054
>FiiO KA13
>+S08
You landed on a very good pairing. Don't run into option paralysis, just jump on the best deal you can find right now on a KA13

>>109617074
yeah thank you very much my guy.
i'll send cake to you since it's my birthday
>>109617066
i prefer taking zinc so i can cum hard on your face you troglodyte

>>109617099
No problem, anon, and happy birthday. Can't wait for you to enjoy your full blown IEM rig

>>109616963
im thinking about buying daybreak to replace the blessing 2 but im also feeling nostalgic for the m40x. should i buy daybreak or m40x?

>>109617148
What do you enjoy the comfort of more, headphones or IEMs?

>>109617161
i think iems are more comfortable but headphones arent that bad either. i just regret selling the m40x in 2021

>>109617190
Maybe get both, Truthear Gate + M40X

>>109617190
Up to you...keep your current IEMs and buy those headphones again

>>109598309
do 3.5mm jack to usb-c adapters have any input lag?
or does the usb-c audio input have any?
I mean, compared to BT?
some BT headphones have brutal input lag man

>>109617614
only trans use bt

>>109617618
indeed
but sadly most phones don't even have a 3.5mm jack anymore

>>109617614
It depends, most of them generally not but some of them have ridiculous amount of lag. If u need something for gayming DACs dedicated for it usually don't have this problems and microphone is working

>>109617752
normalfags love things like 3.5mm being deleted, so they have a reason to buy some garbage product they will never use
or those airpod users who all have irreversible hearing damage from wearing them everywhere in public to show off while ear raping themselves

>>109617767
Wireless ANC stuff is sold more as an electronic product rather than audio product. It's closer to smartphone or tablet than wired headphones. That's why lots of tech bros are buying new generation every year or so so they can go off to new better app, ANC performance or other bullshit features.
I had conversation with such guys and even showed them frequency response of product they wanted to buy, it was abysmall, +15db over harman from 20hz to almost 300hz and peaks and dips in treble with +20db difference, entire treble was also boosted by +10db over harman. That shit based on graphs alone was borderline hearing damage.
But they still defended that headpos because design is nice, app is nice, it's new so software updates are still there and tuning, tuning is just classic v shape fun and everyone hear music differently and they like it how it sound.
U just can't argue with them because most people don't care about how close FR is sticking to given target, they just listen to music and mark of quality for them is boomy bass and extra features like apps, anc and so on

>>109617614
About 10ms. Not inherent, it's lower with ASIO. Bluetooth is 60ms in the best case, 100+ms typically. Though some DACs can have internal latency, I heard qudelix has 50ms, didn't verify.

>>109618050
It's tied to USB controller they used. My dap fiio M21 have option of working as USBC DAC but they didn't used something to handle that data, calculations are done on soc and latency is 0.5s, so it's useless for anything other than listening to music or podcasts

>>109617936
>they just listen to music
that's the whole point. because they're not sold on a religious farce of "listening correctly" and know how to simply enjoy themselves with no forced bullshit expectations or rules. there are no prerequisites to simply enjoying.
fortunately for them, they won't have to live the rest of their lives crippled with the fear of enjoying "wrong" and being ridiculed by arrogant, maniacal megalomaniacs that are driven by the need to domineer and dictate how they should enjoy their lives.
You can only pity the fools who's sole passion is to take their rage and insecurities out on others as they are utterly incapable of admitting to being wrong, about anything, ever.
It's tragic to think of being that fucked up for so long with no chance of escaping self-absorption, ego and overthinking.

>>109618157
normalfags buy whatever is overly advertised to them, thats why all u seen for a few years were beats when they outspent coke on advertising, the modern anc wave is a mix of that, performative tech and ignorance
if all people want is to listen to music thats fine, but being a goy and buying horrible overpriced products because they look epic or are perceived to be elite is retarded
that way of consumerism is why nothing has to be good to sell well anymore, and i've seen it many many times, usually they feel stupid when they realized it, it's not like any of this shit is cheap, sonys gay anc is what $600?

obviously people have different fr tuning preferences but lets not confuse that with goy billy and his xm6 trash for lolicore in a silent basement, or randesh and his airpods that aren't even on so people think hes wealth unironically

should I get sony wf-1000xm5 or sony wf-1000xm6

>>109618815
Xm6

I do not know if it is okay to ask for some advice here but I have a fiio k3 dac/amp that I got as a hand down from a friend with a pair of headphones dt 990 pro 250ohm but they can't get properly loud. I am not familiar with this matter but what can I replace it with or do to improve?

should I get sony wf-1000xm6 or sony wf-1000xm6 the colleXtion

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>>109619597
>I am not familiar with this matter but what can I replace it with or do to improve?
fiio k3 (low gain) = 2.8 milliwatts @ 300ohm
fiio k3 (high gain) = 13 milliwatts @ 300ohm
fiio ka11 = 23 milliwats @300ohm
Topping DX1 II high gain = 57 miliwatts @ 300ohm

with ka11 you can go deaf, and it's cheap. topping seems buggy for some, but if you can get it via amazon for ez returns, it's a good option too

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>7Hz Zero 3 got a redesign
rip choo

DT 270 or K371?

>>109619706
Thank you, the topping seems good but also a bit risky with getting bad unit, about the fiio ka11 it has a short cable and the headphones i use today is connected to a pc and the pc is a bit away can i use an usb extender or will it be bad?

>>109619805
dt270 if you don't have big ears
k371 hinge is way easier to break, pleather earpads get flaky, and it's a pain to find OG replacement pads.

>>109619808
>can i use an usb extender or will it be bad?
you can, no issues at all. DMS even put it in a case https://youtu.be/6qM4TGxcLk8?t=224

>>109619836
Thanks again

>>109618050
>Bluetooth is 60ms in the best case, 100+ms typically.
oof
well that does it, fuck BT
sadly I want a new phone and 99% of new shit doesn't have a 3.5mm jack
fuck

What's the usual price of used pos? 60% of msrp? I assume it's also mdofied with price increase.

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wut baj

>>109620960
it depends on how much earwax is stuffed in the nozzle

>>109620960
i got my mest mkII for 150usd

what's the best tws you can buy currently

>>109621721
Sony WF-1000XM6

>>109621746
really?

>>109621807
Yup. Second best would be WF-1000XM5 with 90% of the same performance, lighter buds and around $100 cheaper.
Sennheiser MOMENTUM True Wireless 4 has way better battery life, but the Sony is technically superior

Best IEMs for siscons?

>>109598309
BASSY/v-shaped BULLET IEM under $50?

like rosefinch but bullet

>>109622395
kz ling long

>>109621929
what about the noble audios? the prestige encore and rex

>>109621721
>>109599267

>>109619597
Replace the headphones bro. Nothing good will come out from making them play loud.

>>109622476
What about em?

>>109622436
not on amazon and i dont trust chinese websites

>>109622545
have you heard them? idk anything about tws but he did ask for the best so if 3x the price nets him anything, that is relevant

>>109622580
azla trinity then

>>109622602
No I have not, but glancing at the website, Encore is $700 and the Rexs are $500. Way overpriced, as their selling point is that their TWS are tribrids with branded BAs. They're not performing any miracles here

>>109619597
Ya need a whole L30 ii or L50 or a schiit.

>>109623095
Schiit is blacklisted on 4chan.

>>109623095
>Schiit
Best rec of the thread, based anon

thinking about the ocean..

>>109623544
What do you think of their main vox? I think I like it more than Loïc Rossetti

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>>109623648
i'm not very familiar with their work desu

No speaker gen so asking here. I have Polk ES15 speakers currently. But Triangle BR04 speakers are on a deep sale right now. Do you think they would be a worthwhile upgrade? Anyone had experience hearing both?

>>109623364
cope

moondrop pudding any good?

>>109625069
they are pretty great value

>“with competently designed loudspeakers the spatial effects we hear appear to be dominated by the information in the recordings themselves.”
>Dominated by the recording.
>“The important localization and sound-stage information is the responsibility of the recording engineer, not the loudspeaker.”
>"The recording itself contains much of the spatial information you're perceiving."
Just a nice excerpt from a book I am reading about the accurate reproduction of audio.

>>109625101
too bad headphones are not loudspeakers

>>109625120
Obviously headphones still reproduce spatial information encoded in the recording.

>>109625145
they need to be competently designed first

>>109598309
hello, i just checked the shopping guide, these 3 are recommended in the 20 to 100 dollars section
>Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (mild V) - $20
>Tanchjim Bunny DSP (mild V~) - $20
>EPZ Q1 Pro (Harman) - $35
is the first one good enough for gaming? or should i pick one of the other two?

>>109625152
Yes. That's why I quoted “with competently designed loudspeakers. That's literally the qualification Toole makes in his literature..

>>109625157
>is the first one good enough for gaming?
None of those are. Get TKZK Ouranos

>>109625157
>>109625172
Better yet get Ouranos and Simgot EA500LM and return the one you like least.

>>109625169
and you do not see the problem with that statement when we apply it to headphones like at all?

>>109625172
>>109625177
thank you anon, i couldn't find the ouranos on aliexpress, the simgot is a little expensive for me i will see if i can afford it

>>109625210
Then spell out the problem. What specifically about headphones makes the spatial information cease to be encoded in or reproduced from the recording?
>>109625212
No problem bro. Hope you can make the purchase

>>109625228
We know what "competently designed loudspeakers" is. toole himself was researching it for decades.
but what is "competently designed headphones"?

>>109625243
>what is "competently designed headphones"?
moondrop's planar series

>>109625262
>moondrop
>competent at anything
funny joke

>>109625243
The headphone equivalent is a competently engineered transducer with controlled FR, good channel matching, low enough distortion, no gross resonances, etc.
I'm not saying Toole's loudspeaker criteria can just be transferred onto IEMs. I'm pointing out that the spatial information is still in the recording and the headphone is reproducing that information.

>>109625157(me)
also, are there any headphones for like 30$?
the op didn't have anythign about headphones
just want something to play games with, currently i'm using half a headphone as a speaker since it got broken in half

>>109625271
>The headphone equivalent is a competently engineered transducer with controlled FR, good channel matching, low enough distortion, no gross resonances, etc.
Wrong.
>I'm not saying Toole's loudspeaker criteria can just be transferred onto IEMs. I'm pointing out that the spatial information is still in the recording and the headphone is reproducing that information.
Only if it's "competently designed" which it isn't
In the first place we do not have enough information and studies about headphones to say anything about their reproduction of soundstage outside that they do not have a normal soundstage.
Trying to extrapolate how speakers work on headphones which do not work at all like speakers is foolish

>>109625284
in general any POS should be fine for games.
your mileage may vary because of anatomy but it's like whatever
there's also truthear gate which has nice eartips and cable

>>109625287
>we do not have enough information and studies about headphones to say anything about their reproduction of soundstage outside that they do not have a normal soundstage.
doesn't mean:
>Trying to extrapolate how speakers work on headphones which do not work at all like speakers is foolish.
I'm saying that competent headphones still reproduce spatial information from the audio itself.

>>109625303
to hear sound stage information you need to be able to hear sound stage in the first place... which headphones do not have... because they are diffuse field devices.
>still reproduce spatial information from the audio itself.
how do you know that

>>109625270
It baffles me how u guys are missing headpos gold just because manufacturer is complete fraud in iems space. They make really good planars and cash grabs like chu2 or that new cringeacle colab.

>>109625315
which models?

>>109625312
>how do you know that
Because the L/R channels contain different signals and the headphone drivers reproduce those respective signals to the respective ears.

>>109625319
Para, para 2, skyland, cosmo, venus - all of them are excellent with pad rolling/EQ tho I have to say, industrial design and comfort could be better

>>109625312
“soundstage” is a perceptual. “spatial information” is information in the signal and they're not the same.