The anti AI camp seems more concerned about virtue signaling more than anything. The way that they speak is also very revealing and I feel it is just an excuse to be a cry bully. I went to art school so I understand the existential threat and the feeling of having you style stolen and replicated but the constant unproductive whining and screeching has made me lose all empathy and sympathy for them because they see the world as black and white. Also posting some dogshit human "art" and calling it "soulful" is not helping and it is disingenuous, normies/clients could not care less and makes artist look (more) retarded, the entire anti AI community is very negative and toxic. When I go to the pro AI communities it's a lot more positive but still quite delusional because these people think they suddenly have "skills" but whatever.I don't even use AI in my work because it's just not good enough and I don't feel threatened by it and a lot of my friends that went to my art school feel the same. The screeching you hear on the internet you'd think that the world is ending.If you are an artist and you are threatened by AI your art was never good in the first place.
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>>109610740if i was a young kid i would probably be anti ai, and i can see the problems people are having with datacenters destroying their homes and stuff. but. i was raised with the sci fi promise of ai and its finally real, and its fun to play with and watch develop. when trains became big, they dreamed up utopian marxism and millions of people died, i assume the same thing will happen with this. to all the stakeholders in life, i wish them good luck. but. not my problem
>>109610758Both of those would have been mocked at my art school lol.>>109610777It's funny the people who complain about data centers almost always have the AC constantly blasting, own cars and buy gasoline. They are probably very over weight as well. If you are a fat piece of shit you can't say you care about the planet of the climate because you are literally eating it to death.I'm also against data centers because I know they want to use them for surveillance and not the train AI.
>>109610740>If you are an artist and you are threatened by AI your art was never good in the first place.It's true and same goes for coders, but mediocre people need a livelihood too. Mediocre shitty artists still had to spend a substantial amount of time to learn this stuff and they were getting by (or thriving) before AI. I think anti-AI luddism is futile but I can understand the anger those people are feeling.
>>109610833mediocre people should get good or we'll live in a mediocre country full of LOSERS
I'm pro AI mainly from a practical perspective and I don't like AI art over human art; the act of a person creating something gives it value; it shares an aspect of their personality and humanity that while visually could be identical to a generated piece; is not as interesting. It's like drinking water that used to be someone's piss; sure it's the exact same and I'd do it but it's not the same as drinking mountain glacial runoff.
>>109610803What does ac have to do with anything? Data centers are loud, suck up clean water and destroy the environment. I don't even care, but that argument is just stupid.
>>109610839if everyone becomes good, that will be the new mediocre
>>109610880if everyone becomes good then we WIN
>>109610884win what?
>>109610893bigly
>>109610899I asked what, not how, bozo.
>>109610839Without eugenics it's not gonna happen
>>109610841>the act of a person creating something gives it value;This applies to code too. I find vibe/slop coded programs more offensive than gen images, those slop/vibe coded garbage can actually do damage.
>>109610912>>109610910>>109610912:^)
>>109610877>fat fuck detectedIf you are using AC you a both weak and a hypocrite if you are against climate change. How about instead of turning on the AC you lose some fat instead, that will keep you cool without wasting power.
>>109610740I'm not particularly against AI in general, but there is just so much poor use of it.Like instead of a stock image, which you can get easily from Google, people will generate an image that doesn't add any specific value over that stock image.Or in a powerpoint presentation, they'll add a little comic of a person representing them saying a line, and then verbally say the line as well and there's nothing in the picture that adds meaning or value past the words they said.If you can just press button to get something "good enough" the value proposition for that thing plummets.
>>109610740That is a common, but very specific type of anti-AI person. You are generalizing a lot. For example, I literally don't care if generative AI is used to make art or code, what bothers me is the insane hype around the tech, the promises which are impossible to meet and the retards that seem completely blind to the tech's limitations for some reason. I think most vibe coders should be curb stomped for being too dumb to notice that their buggy spaghetti code prototypes are extremely low quality software. Otherwise, what they do would be cool
>>109610927Sounds like a people problem that could be solved with beatings and executions.>>109610942I agree, the hype around it from the big US corpos is embarrassingly cringe. "Oh no, our models are too dangerous! Oh no look what scary thing we orchestrated and scripted our model to do and pretend it did it on it's own"
>>109610740As an objectivist have my own reasons for being against AI. Job losses on their own are not a bad thing; they move economic activity to more productive areas. Neither am I concerned about datacenters and their environmental impact.The AI boom has made me question the meaning of life itself. What drove human beings to build cities, write books, and invent new technology? Why does no other species on earth do those things?If you look to the left or the religious right you won't find the answer. The former assumes a utopia and doesn't explain what happens after the supposed oppressors have been defeated. The latter gave us 1000 years of abject poverty, from the dark ages until the enlightenment.[1/2]
>>109610740>>109611115What makes humans special is our ability to shape the world around us using our mind. What has been driving humanity for longer than written history is our desire to improve our own lives, using our unique capacity of intelligence as the means of doing so. Every great business, innovation, and work of art, came as the result of countless hours of hard work, done by people who are motivated to make something new, something that would make a positive impact on the world and their own lives.That is why I am against artificial intelligence - because it robs us of the very thing that makes us human. The moment we grant to another being the power of generalized intelligence, is the moment we cease to be unique as a species. Rather than enhancing our abilities to shape the world like previous technologies had, AI competes with us directly. It will come not just for the artist and the programmer, but for the businessman and the scientist also.This raises the question: what is our purpose in life? If you believe in a life of maximum hedonistic pleasure - with everything we want available at the press of a button - then automating human intelligence may sound appealing. But if you believe in the true objectivist view - the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute - it's time to stop the slop.[end]
>>109610924>implyingyou're like clairvoyant or something? ad hominem is not an argument.no ac at my place btw, you niggerbrain
>>109611123>>109611115It seems like you are coming from a place of insecurity with the fear of having your purpose stolen. I am not afraid of this because AI can't come up with anything truly novel, to be fair neither can 95% of humanity.Your purpose in life is to enjoy it and make it what ever you want. Your biological purpose is to reproduce. Humanity's purpose is to infect the galaxy and eventually the universe with as much of our DNA as possible. AI is not the thing, it is the thing that gets us to the thing.
>>109611322>lying on the internet after being called outYou don't need to be psychic to see the obvious anon. Post of pic of you on scale. You won't and we know why.
>just d&c guise, plsno
>>109610740hahaha
>as someone who's totally not pro-AI, I really hate that anti-AI people are criticizing AI
>>109610777>if i was a young kid i would probably be anti ai>Starts typing on his tablet like the Itoddler he is.Speak for yourself gen-Zer. As a millennial kid in the 90s I would have been all over this technology before I got pissed off that the AI isn't letting me do anything myself and isn't following all my orders to a tee.
>>109610740>>109610777>when trains became big, they dreamed up utopianPAJEET PAJEET PAJEET The anti AI fags are pajeets themselves roflmao. You cannot make this shit up.
>>109610740This post made me more anti-AI.
>>109610758holy kek
>>109611357It's more the how and not the what. They are acting like emotional women.>>109611389My point and case, no real arguments, just pure emotion>>109611394Good for you
>>109611331ai doesn't have to come up with anything novel, paintbrushes and chisels don't, they are still exceptionally useful tools.the problem with ai is that you have a bunch of people from developing nations that think it is magic and will level any playing field. garbage in, garbage out. i went to school for 3d modeling, rigging and animation. something that took me weeks to do 10 years ago can be done in a few days now.
I believe many people are anti AI, because they possess an image of themselves as a meaningful provider of value, and it threatens their existence as a value provider and attention grabber. They haven't really gotten comfortable living without gathering good girl/boy points, they live with an unnecessary amount of shame. Extremely pro AI people exhibit similar qualities, but they are not threatened, they are the ones running the companies or working for them, so they have a reason to be maximally for AI. Elon musk comes to mind as the extreme of this, idk why, but he just has this dog vibe about him, like he is some kind of self projected pet. The issue would be solved by decreasing the amount of entitlement everyone has on themselves and others being productive or aesthetic members of le society, and simply accepting the existence of the self and others as a human rather than a physical or visual burden. If AI takes your "job", you feel humiliated, because you expect everyone to now find you useless. Now of course some people are anti AI, because muh water and datacenter, and that is completely reasonable, but who uses this as a mere social scream of how virtuous and for the environment they are is hard to tell.
artism is not art and will never be, long live to AI
>>109611123This is what I mean. People just want their life to be constantly approved by others. "what is the purpose". Nigga pls>>109611449
Look at me I am anti AI person!! I am good/useful/morally serious!!!Look at me I am pro AI person own large AI company!! I am a visionary, I am important, FUTURE!
>>109610758Classic
>>109610740Spot on.The thing about antis is, even though they love to claim they are progressive and accepting of all walks of life there is a HUGE overlap between them and white supremacy, other fascist ideologies etc. Like to the point where it's not even funny if you break it down, it's just fucking depressing. Herd behaviour, really makes you realize how the Nazis were able to take control of an entire country just like that.
>>109611335That's not what a call out is. Making shit up and arguing with it is called schizo babble.
>>109610740I hate art
>>109611544sooo true vibesister!
the average person sees generative AI as "lazy" and it will always have that stink follow it around, no matter how good it getsI don't know why pros think they can argue this out of people, it's just human nature
>>109611416>ai doesn't have to come up with anything novelI think a lot of the fear is that people think it can.>>109611666They thought the same when 3D was replacing visual/practical effects in movies (to be fair they were right) and now almost everything is 3D and the public doesn't bat an eye
pro-ai people are making me anti-aiit's literally the crypto/nft shit all over again, absolute dumbfucks screeching how you're ngmi unless you sink your entire networth into the shitcoin i'm currently shilling. except this is somehow equating understanding data science with "learning how to prompt a stupid question to a shitty llm or 1girling in comfyui is the future of everything"
>>109611666anything low effort and overdone becomes cliche.like the ms office wordart.or the obnoxious photoshop fake lensflaresai generated generic poster designs are quickly becoming that too.
>>109611666>it's just human natureyeah it's called the effort heuristic, we're hardwired to place more value into an outcome if more human effort went into it, above and beyond the actual quality of the thing.i don't think trying to bring it up as a philosophical point of debate is going to do anyone any favors ever, but i personally find it interesting to consider if this psychological tick is doing us any good in some present circumstances
>>109611666it literally is lazyand if lazy prompting ever produces something actual good, you'll just get bombarded by a million jeets producing it, making everyone sick of it again
>>109610740>the anti designated shitting street people are making me pro designated shitting street>I don't even shit on the street and I don't feel threatened by it, if you're threatened by the designated shitting street your street was never good in the first place
