AI fags are cooked.
These retards are going to let China win the AI race.
>>109627731> The United States has over 4,000 to 5,400 data centers, which is more than ten times the number in China. China operates roughly 370 to 450 data centers
>>109627731fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckdo you guys know if there are any datacenters gofundme to give some money to? Is it possible to donate my SSDs, ram and GPU to use for AI research? On the OpenAI and Anthropic sites I couldn't find anything but I didn't check all companies.I hate luddites so fucking much.
>>109627746Yeah, but china has actually smart people.The USA also has like millions of high end datacenter GPUs and then the chinese train competitive models on a cluster of 4 GT 210s
>>109627731Have you ever read the credits of a machine learning research paper? AI has always belonged to the Chinese.
>>109627719> AI fags are cooked.
In fairness, none of the new data-centers are for AI. AI have all the data-center space they need until around the year 2150 when we enter the next aeon. All the new data-center builds are for surveillance camera/wearable/phone/robot spy analysis. AI will do just fine.
>>109627731So this is the modern version of red scare.
>>109627731chinks already won by building their power grid for decades
>>109627731>more==betterwith how LLM technology is progressing a simple 27B model in about 6 months will be enough for 95% of coding and agentic tasks on computer, and you don't need fucking datacenters for thatUS is investing in bare metal while Chine is investing in actual technology
>>109627806More reason to block them. nothing will happen because etatist dems are barely relevant.
>>109627816This, the chinese were thinking about 2030s in the 2000s while amerilards were too busy with israel or whatever the fuck they were doing back then.
>>109627786First you have to stop sucking Dario's dick but we both know that's not gonna happen.
>>109627731we, The West, we need to purge the domestic enemies firsttotal leftard death, now
>>109627719Incorrect—the economic benefits of AI are too strong to ignore: without massive data center build out China will win and usher in 1000 years of darkness. If America is to be great again—the shining city on the hill—then we must build more data centers. The people who are truly cooked are the people who lose the AI war.
>the datacenter backlashSo has anyone actually done anything about it aside from making posts online?
>>109627915https://www.datacenterbans.com
>>109627915> All artificial intelligence data center projects are permanently removed from the PA Permit Fast Track Program.It's started.
>>109627977kek the AI overview
>>109627719What's the benefit of having data centers?
>>109627719Models trained on reddit posts aren't useful. Llm is trash for general use, limit the fucking dataset and limit its usw to that fucking subject. There is no race, shit isn't hard. Fuck "smart" people.
>>109627719The only AI that actually matters is local.
>>109628006because we can use AI to replace faggots retards and subhumans like you
>>109627731> omg China is going to win if we don't buy all that Chinese electronic hardware!nonsense same shit as the green energy scam all just a subsidy for Asia at the expense of the western middle class.
>>109628006faster higher definition porn streaming
>>109628061Try to pitch that to the investors and see what happens.
>>109627746>he thinks the numbers China give to the gweilo are real
>>109628061Garbage in, garbage out.
>Jews spend 500 billion to train LLM trained on staroverflow, facebook, reddit and wikipedia and youtube
>>109627746>>109627731This shit is the funniest when people seriously bring it up because almost all the cards and RAM made inside those data centers come from China, Korea, or little-China. They're directly empowering our enemies. This is before we get into all the money spent just for China to distill the models for effectively free.
>>109628006They get to spy on you more effectively with shared camera networks
>>109627995>>109627977It took me a minute to realize that this site is pro-datacenter and that's why there is AI slop everywhere and it looks like it was made by indians
>>109628114Not everything benefits from loosely optimizing data aggregate. People mistake not knowing where it does apply with thinking it can be generally applied. These kinds of people also love post hoc data driven world models rather than trying to actually describe phenomenon, which may be notoriously hard to prove just theoretically. The problem with data models is that they are all essentially "X must be true because it happened before.", even if it's all you have to work with most of the time.Investors don't think anything specific, they think other people will believe certain things.
>>109628431you are not the main character kiddo, nobody cares to spy on you
>>109627731Craftsman tools used to be made in America. Now they are made in China. I don't see why AI can't also be made in China. Let's let the free market decide.
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Don't care stay fucking broke artcels thanks for the free training data apply to your local McDs today
>>109628168Google LLMs are also trained on 4chan
>>109627719Unless the plan is to legislate VRAM capacity limits for private citizens or businesses (Which would be an insane authoritarian overreach), it's pretty much over for doomers. Quant optimization is the killshot. You will have SOTA on a single H200 card. Mixed with the fact that MoE models are in their infancy, you can run massive models with the majority stored on RAM, swapping in and out different experts when needed.You even say MoE in front of a doomer and they just look at you like you're speaking alien, they have no idea what's happening. So again unless the plan is to legislate VRAM capacity limits for private citizens or businesses (Which would be an insane authoritarian overreach), it's pretty much over for doomers. Quant optimization is the killshot. You will have SOTA on a single H200 card.Mixed with the fact that MoE models are in their infancy, you can run massive models with the majority stored on RAM, swapping in and out different experts when needed.You even say MoE in front of a doomer and they just look at you like this, they have no idea what's happening Ironically, the push against data centers is fueling quant/optimization advances, meaning once again unless the plan is to legislate VRAM like firearm magazine capacity, you get the same future you were worried about with the centralized infrastructure, but even less safety rails.Even if all US AI dev is killed people will just use chinese products instead lol. Unironically the ONLY way it's over for AI bros is if we make privacy illegal, that means banning Linux, inplimenting a national internet firewall like China, and banning VRAM ownership.
>>109628431There can't be that much data if they're sharing it
>>109628815>Heh I have meaningless acronyms and unclear foreshadowing as evidence, this clearly proves I am an expert!OK investorcuck, try not to eat shit when the bond market reaper claims your broke ass.
>spending trillions of dollars and producing exawatt hours of electricity>to predict text tokens one at a timeLOL
>>109627719just promise to ban them to get elected and then dont, retard
>>109627731China will most likely win because of leaks and copying AI programs.AI doesn't seem like a big deal anyways.
>>109627816What do they even use that power for? One of their biggest energy uses is steel and their production has basically fallen over 6% this year due to lack of demand and over supply.
>>109627915Watch your local news, there's likely coverage of protests against data centers.
>>109627731China already won by not replacing their entire workforce by indians.
>>109627719Nothing can be done, all US growth is tied to datacentres build out.
nothing will happen. remember occupy wall street? top kek.
>>109627746US needs more datacenters because American first policy requires making other countries dependent on us, and giving us a new resource to force the subservience of the rest of the world. Honestly they should be banning companies building datacenters overseas and blocking Nvidia from selling outside the US.
>>109627719ah yes society being held back by retarded luddites yet again... just like with nuclear
>>109627731China won by copying already made American models that cost billions for literally free
>>109627731What does "winning the AI race" mean? What are the win conditions?
>>109627731The "race" is won by who monetize it better, not who has the most impressive tech.Pic related was easily raped by the Amiga and Mac.And guess what? you're using one of these now.
>>109628931>meaningless acronymswow, he was right...you luddite retards really don't understand anything!
>>109629380Feels good being held back by a retarded instruction set that the hardware has to fake with extensive microcode layered over RISC hardware.
>>109629324Reaching singularity first from what I heardNothing about it being controllable btw
>>1096278359/11; war on terror; GFC
>>109628006Yes.
>>109628738I tend to believe that this is the case.Leaves me puzzled what else these data centers are for then...
>>109627731>>109627719why can't they just build them in middle of nowhere.
>>109627719musk won (again)
>>109630055They do
>>109630055They are building them in Finland. I can confirm.
>>109630068Yeah, but they're building them in nowhere (desert) instead of places with abundant waterChina already has experience with building bitcoin farms next to hydroelectric dams in the middle of nowhere
>>109629775You're losing a smidge of performance for the guarantee of compatiblity and also smaller binaries.
>>109630068>>109630249It kind of destroys the narrative that data centers create jobs. No one wants to drive an hour for a minimum wage job.
>>109627731China's going to drop LLMs as soon as the US drops them. LLMs are a dead end and chinks literally only copy whatever the west is doing. "OY VEY WE NEED TO PUMP 600 GORILLION MORE DOLLARS INTO AI TO BEAT CHINA" is fearmongering to justify the immense sunk cost. And while all this money is being sunk into useless shit like data centers, China is sinking money into actual useful things like infrastructure. They're faking their GDP too, but at least those train lines to nowhere might eventually serve people, while these data centers are just going to be a big eyesore.
>>109627719That isn’t going to stop the 21st century arms race
>>109629814Yeah, I can see why this "artist" fears GenAI
>>109627719it's just the flavor of the month topic to latch onto. No one will be talking about data centers on the news next year
Data centers are mostly empty buildings built for show. They might have a few server racks, but nothing more. Most of the space is unoccupied. It's the AI equivalent of a ghost city. That's why they don't allow camera crews inside. They don't want people to know the secret.
>>109627746As if those data centers are all working together. Makes no fucking difference how many there are.
>>109630296>for the guarantee of compatiblity and also smaller binaries.Both are pointless since space is cheap and developers are cheap and most existing software is shit anyway.
>>109631548I kinda glossed over the actual advantage.x86 is the IBM PC compatible platform, that basically enforce several parts of the hardware and booting scheme.If you remove this from computers, they turn into android phones.
>>109631662what?
>>109627719Already have muliple LLMs include huge models I can't run yet. They'll be mine forever. There is nothing you can do about it.
>>109627746while that's true China figured out how to make useful models that operate at fraction of the cost and provide good quality. they just need more creative talent like USA to use their AI in agents better but they got everything. America can't figure out how to make compressed LLMs because they are all blasting through power.>>109629814the people that argue for small communities being second priority for water compared to AI consumers are the same kind of people to tell you that home ownership is overrated and all people must live in studio pods and share everything.
>>109630805no they just don't want freedom fighters to have a mapped out interior in case someone will put their mind to do the funniest thing imaginable
>>109629814This argument can be made for many things.
>>109627731If an actual AI is ever created, it won't be owned by anyone, it will own you.
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>>109628815>people will just use chinese products instead lol. This is actually the main problem with building US data centers. They'll never be financially competitive with Chinese data centers.
>>109631680Basically to run windows, you need a PC that is fully compatible with the standard, and this standard force the computer to be relatively open and do shit like run linux because it is an old standard before all the DRM shit we invented and x86 is part of this equation.If you kill x86, you kill the PC compatible, and end up with every computer vendor being able to do their own incompatible shit, and you end up having to get a modchip to have a PC that you can install a "clean version" of Windows.
>>109627977Website made by an absolute ai shill lmao
>>109632035Mindbroken
>>109627719I already give my shekels to China, man.
>>109627746>a new opportunity of business appears>jews oversaturated without caring about the impact>after making profit they let the golem to handle the consequencesHeh, classic jews.
>>109632016I see what you mean. But Windows and Linux both suck. MacOS also sucks in a way. So it's not like I'd be losing anything if everything was proprietary, because Mac is that way and it can still be rooted.
>>109627731And that is bad, because?
>>109627731>indians work even on sundayslol jeet
>>109632058See:>>109628434>>109627995
>>109630055theres' a lot of desert land in the US, but they dont build there.
>>109630805>mostly emptysounds like the ideal place for an invading army to hide their stockpile until the invasion happens....(and maybe even house the invaders for a few months/weeks without being noticed)
>>109627719Then why is the 3080 still $1,500?
The Chinese psyop worked. Americans are so retarded.
>>109631693>China figured out how to make useful modelsThey figured out how to extract reasoning traces.
>>109637917companies did it to themselves with the lies and obfuscation
>>109627731Not all races are meant to be won. Let them.
>>109627731China is just distilling frontier models, they can't beat the US like that.
>>109627719Those AI data centers need to become illegal, their owners wealth confiscated, and morons like this one: >>109627731 thrown in prison.
>>109630055because western nations refuse to build fucking trains, except Mexico for some random reason thats getting back to them
>>109627719>amerimutt politicians will speedrun the bubble burst and enable us all to buy corporate hardware for cheapcome one, amerimutts. we need to you vote for the most anti-AI politicians.
>>109638354They can. It's very easy.
>>109627746WW2, a handful of nerds at bletchley park did what hundreds of scientists and a superlab covering acres couldn't. They always try to brute force it
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>>109628738They absolute do. You make money and wealth via scale!
>>109631877>Its another Chinkoid shill threadThey're already financially compatible. People forget that unlike the Chinks, the American elites are already the richest men in the history of man - continuing the cycle of issuing more money for circulation and then snapping it up only devalues their existing money and assets at the same time that line goes up. Their game now is to cut costs, and so it has been for the last 30-40 years, and the data centers are there to help cut costs, not by providing businesses with an LLM, but by being the remote data centers that pilot a robotic workforce.It'll have no rights, no requirement for insurance, no benefits, no downtime and no legal limits - forcing the Chinks completely out of the workshare markets by virtue of being 24/7, dirt cheap non-human labor that can continue to be scaled up indefinitely. The data centers are required to keep anyone from using the workforce off its subscription models or in a way that the market can't price in ahead of time - if you take your robot off the service, it will no longer work. There won't be a processing unit inside the robot, everything will be on the cloud and piloted remotely, which allows the companies to dictate everything you do with it.
>>109628796are all these nigger calle finally going to pay off?
>>109629380>you're using one of these now.No, I'm using a Mac :^)Apple won.
>>109627731Who gives a shit, look where geopolitical obsession got the U.S in particular, Donald Trump could have gone down in history as humanities greatest hero if he actually buckled down and fought progressives but instead he let all his focus get drawn away on trade wars nobody but politicians wanted
>>109627806Maybe to the lower levels of government this could be about surveillance but for federal governments even surveillance is really about ai
>>109627731Good death to Amerijuden
