Normies and artfags bitch and moan about "muh AI slop" and want "human made animation" but absolutely no one is willing to provide a decent answer to how one can make "good animation" without spending a good chunk of your life creating it or shelling out your (already empty) savings for workers to make it happen. Inflation and economic factors are causing companies to pull back on profit losses which causes animated works to look cheaper and cheaper, and on an individualistic level making an animated show is an exceedingly time consuming process with very little reward (there's also the fact it has to be highly marketable for it to even be profitable which further cuts down on intriguing ideas if people aren't willing to buy goyslop merchandise for it, see GLITCH Productions).People want good "old-fashion" animation but no one is willing to take the time or money out to make it happen, and these same faggots whining about "AI Slop" never put their money where their mouth is to make something "like the good old days!!!"
>>109667473https://vocaroo.com/1bPZQZ4mOmNs
>>109667473>how do people expect to make [good thing] without AI?They don’t, this world is raped enough as is and has been for the last decade or two. The only thing AI will do is bring out a lot more shit ideas because normies are creatively bankrupt.
France has been keeping animation down in the west for awhile now. I don't see why or how that could change. That video looks cool, though.
>>109667473I was wondering when will this pop up. Nah I’m not watching your Ben ten slop just because it’s made with AI. You didn’t bother to come up with shit by yourself so you stole from that spiderman film and TMNT.>>109667510Kek. Off topic but could you make the T2S say the woody got wood copypasta or the shrek is love one?
>>109667629jewgle tts
>>109667636Which one did you use? Mostly of these just want me to sign in with an email.
>>109667656i used the fancy one because i'm a googlefag
>>109667629>stoleYour next line will probably be "AI drains the lakes" or whatever retarded shit performists like to say when AI does their shitty job but better.
>>109667473Its never going to catch up purely because people making it aren't innovating anything at all. every movie thats been put out has the same fucking look to it the stories are all reused and shit. If humans actually create something worthwhile then machines will just lose. That is core of the issue and art faggots are mad they have to actually work at making something ACTUALLY interesting. I've tried to have this discussion but they simply cannot comprehend that people will watch a movie a million times that was built with original concepts with sets built from fucking egg cartons if its actually GOOD. Until these retards start doing that AI will continue to win.
>>109667658Oh ok got it. I don’t get why they call it an AI besides the cashgrab aspect of it. Most of this tech has been used years previously.
>>109667679>I don’t get why they call it an AI besides the cashgrab aspect of it.it's amazing to find retards of this caliber on /g/ posting like they're real
>>109667665>preformativeDude half of this shit is well known fact.>>109667668>innovate>AI winsDude, who are you gonna do that if it just takes shit from the internet? Innovation actually involves thinking outside the box. AI is just algorithmic bullshit.
>>109667473Stop listening to anti-ai retards. If you see one call them retards, don't explain yourself and move on.
>>109667696I said that if humans don't innovate then AI will always win. Instead of complaining about AI like most art retards do actually try to create something that's more then just fucking porn.
>>109667668Case in point that chink animated film made on a shoestring budget with a mother and son. The quality's not there, but you can tell the two actually put EFFORT and some creative THOUGHT behind making a wholeass film, and it broke box-office records. Is it the greatest film ever? Not really, but it is something that you can definitely say sticks out above the rest of any annually released film over the last couple years.
>>109667696>knows nothing about AIRetard.
>109667747Like am I wrong? It steals shit from the internet and pumps out animations based on shit it stole? >109667721How does that fit into innovation? Like it was just an interning so bad it’s good movie.
>>109667473luddites (people who hate Ai) are mentally ill snailcats, OP. Do NOT try to understand them, their brains are shit and slow (like snails)Just wait until the new generations get used to AI ART and snailcats will be left behind and die
Threaten everyone that against you because that has worked out well for the past 5 years.
>>109667696>Innovation actually involves thinking outside the box. AI is just algorithmic bullshit.There hasn't been any innovation in animation for the past 50 years at least with the exception of 3d rendering.Best western animation was done in the 50-60s, Disney and Don Bluth did some fantastic stuff in the 70s-90s as well, from then on it's been a rapid decline.AI is the only thing that can save western animation, and it can actually bring good quality animation back to the screens, but I take that with a grain of salt, it will at least be better than what we have now.And it's not as if the west is animating anyway, 99% of production animation is done in asia.
>>109667473Japs continue doing it old-school and it remains awesome. They know how to dedicate.
>>109667832Are yoi sure about that? The Spider-Man animated film that the Ben Ten slop stole was innovative from what I heard.
>>109667721People like the human story behind the creation of movies and effort. No one gives a fuck that some fucking slave go paid a couple bucks to animate another toy story movie or made another AAA game. Passion humanity itself is what will beat AI and 99% of the human population including fucking artists have zero of any of that.
>>109667854Have you seen most of the anime? its absolute dog shit. Only a couple of new animes are even worth watching.
>>109667864With any massive scene you need to skim the cream. The Ghost in the Shell is dope.
>>109667861How ? By lowering the frame rate to save money on rendering ?
>>109667953It’s the techniques that were used to make the animation.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l96IgQmXmhM&pp=ygUeU3BpZGVybWFuIGFuaW1hdGlvbiBpbm5vdmF0aW9u&ra=mAlso didn’t you say that AI saves money on animation or some shit? Aren’t you contradicting yourself? Are you retarded?
>>109668077The technique is 'toon shading', it's been around for as long as 3d hasAI lowers cost without having to drop quality, like dropping framerate does
>>109668114>AI does the good cost cutting>animators do the bad cost cuttingYou’re a fucking retard if you unironically agree with this.
>>109668177>AI can do huge cost cutting while bringing back animation quality from its prime>current day animation is just a race to the bottom in terms of quality to save money since fewer people watch, and lowering quality makes even fewer people watch...
@109668219>AI took from those films anyway>It BeTtErYou’re a fucking moron dude.
>>109667473>People want good "old-fashion" animation but no one is willing to take the time or money out to make it happen,Animation studios doing real work still exist.
wait, so there's a super tiger and it just punches the rhino around instead of using its super claws to rip the rhino's eyes out? this is terrible.
>>109667473Wow, I can literally imagine the prompt that went into this
>>109668242You're retarded.
>>109667668>That is core of the issue and art faggots are mad they have to actually work at making something ACTUALLY interesting.Yeah, exactly. Art faggots deserve everything coming to them
>>109671064>>109667668Ok I just realized. Most people actually like the work that goes into stuff. What’s you’re proof on the opposite because AI bros hate working on shit.@109671027This whole fucking thread is retarded.
>>109671330>What’s you’re proof on the opposite because AI bros hate working on shit.AI Bros are in it for the grift and don't care about "muh integrity". There's this I guess which is equally kind of impressive since nobody else makes 50s animation anymore.https://youtu.be/nC88PI2EFyg
>>109672871But has anything new been made? Actually new? Or is it just taking other shit in lieu of actually making cel animations?
>>109667607they once went downhill after they adapted calarts style and woke shit into their cartoons
>>109667473Any time an someone uses ai and doesn't reveal it, I call them out to post 1 hour long videos of their drawing sessions to show if they actually draw and actually make their art. trying to create 1080p or 4k video and trying to make it consistent with every frame is pretty much impossible. Hell, maybe even 1 minute is enough. It's pretty much impossible for AI to replicate the process and consistency of somebody opening up a program and drawing in it without it being 10000000000x more computationally expensive. That's not even taking into account streaming. You can fake being another person with ai live, but you can't fake drawing or animating live.
>>109667473i remember that thread on /co/ and some italian luddite fumbled about that.
>>109667510LMAOAbsolutely bodied
>PezzzaIs it improper to trust this isn't a design decision and just a hallucination? Why should I respect this?
>>109667510first post good morning post
i don't watch japanese cartoons but has ai started showing up in those? because desu you probably wouldn't even be able to tell there
>>109667473>art is too hard luddite, humans have literally NEVER made cartoons before, it's impossible, they didn't exist before chatgpt
>>109667473By functioning as it's intended to, the AI modifier means nothing in this context. Your delusions are meaningless.
>>109667510
why is he driving backwards? also pls tell me, is it "ai creator" problem or ai is just so fucking bad with basics of video editing and cinematography. Its like with fingers or perspective, that shit can render anything yet it still have problems with most basic things that everyone is learning about at first or second tutorial after geting into hobby
>>109667473>same faggots whining about "AI Slop" never put their money where their mouthAre you?What do you want? Consumers to invest in huge animation companies?Cost reduction for animation can be made with incentives and more trainning. The number of good artists increased a lot in the last decade and prices to hire a good artist went down too.You look like you have a toddler level view of how the world works
>>109667668You are confused and getting artist and corporate decisions mixed
>>109667473I have content fatigue
>>109679458>i have italian fatigueffty
holy shit you fucking faggots are so far up each others asses huffing farts you are completely out of touch with the real world>buh buh buh but nobody is making any art!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dWoMpKDUI8just because you are scrolling nonstop slop doesn't mean nothing else exists. without AI we would have more resources going into making better tools for artists, making art easier and faster. instead we get the fakest and gayest future possible, courtesy techbro retards
>>109667473Slop all looks the same. People don't like seeing the same shit over and over.
>>109678522I'm not saying real art can't be made with AI, I'm saying any good animation from the past doesn't seem to be feasible anymore given the situation we're in. You don't have to use AI, but if you're an "indie" artist wanting to make a cartoon or film, you really have to leverage the resources you have and the limits you are willing to push yourself into achieving your desired outcome. Do you want to make Disney Renaissance style films, or do you want to make early 2000s Newgrounds flash animations? One is most definitely going to take way more time and resources than the other.
>>109667473>how one can make "good animation" without spending a good chunk of your life creating itYou can't.The wonder of animation is in taking something inanimate and, with expert skill and enormous amounts of painful labour, making it feel alive.Nobody is interested in animation that was shat out in a few hours by typing something into a machine.
Actual pro animator here. Yes the profession is painfully slow. It's slow because our tools suck. That's why it's more about throwing bodies or putting on suits and the suit cleanup work isn't that fast either. Make better tools/ai making it are two different lanes both are tools
>>109681551Are u retarded? U literally have software that is either free or cost few USD, infinite online resources for learning, even PCs or laptops that can chew thru that stuff with ease, 2d, 3d, whatever u wantOnly thing u need to invest is your time to learn it and master it. I know learning anything is lost idea for ai bros. They just need that instant gratification.
>>109680441>instead we get the fakest and gayest future possible, courtesy techbro retardsI mean when it’s all over you don’t have to support them. They want art stuff to be overall worthless, it’s ok to make them worthless too.
When photography was released artists retaliated with impression. The fuck is ai going to do
>>109667473I mean, it's pretty janky, but the fact we've gone from ai being barely able to render human shaped blobs with three legs to this in like 5 years is pretty neat.
>>109682163Make more derivative content, so more or less the same but more "productive"
>>109681948>>109681948>Actual pro animator here. Yes the profession is painfully slow. It's slow because our tools suck. That's why it's more about throwing bodies or putting on suits and the suit cleanup work isn't that fast either. Make better tools/ai making it are two different lanes both are toolsWrong. Artists are just worse today, no one has skill and all artists are more gay and retarded. Better artists not new tools are necessary.
>>109667870You mean one of the most successful and profitable anime franchises of the past 30 years was good? That's great and all but that doesn't excuse the 40 other pieces of trash that get dumped every 3 months
>>109667510HOOTING
>>109679172I am not confusing any of it. I've said it before that you just want to create so that you have a fucking job instead of creating for the sake of creating. So fucking kill yourself already. I am really tired of reading faggot artist complain about this when its all purely because they think artists are fucking wage slave welders or something. No faggot you are just an artist. You are paid to do XYZ and no better then the factory car worker who has been replaced by a fucking machine. Big difference though is that art is about human culture and if you create something impactful your life will be set. As the factory worker has zero skill. Now shut the fuck up.
>>109667473Why would I want to spend time watching something that nobody wanted to spend time to create?I guess I'll have A.I. watch it instead.
