America is finally banning all lithography sales to China and also banning ASML from doing maintenance on the ones china already has. This will completely shut down China's semiconductor industry. DUV lithography machines need constant maintenance, or they will shut down within weeks. Without any new machines and with their existing DUV machines useless due to lack of maintenance, we will see total collapse of China's semiconductor industry within months. By next year, China will no longer be able to make chips smaller than 90nm, 20 years behind the cutting edge. And china is still decades away from domestic DUV or even EUV lithography. In less than a year, China will be less advanced than India and forever lose the A.I race. And of course, their entire economy will be also be done for. China is going back to the stone age!!!
>>109687226They already have domestic EUV machines yields just suck but I'm sure just like domestic lithography they'll never figure that out.American century of humiliation.
I'm retarded, why does America decide who a Dutch company does business with?
China will winFuck USfaggots
>>109687226good, that'll force them to make their own EUV supply chain. Then we can have cheap fabs everywhere.
>>109687247the USA thought it could stop greenland from banning circumcision, too btw
>>109687247Because fuck you, thats why
>>109687247Because globalism is a plague, and the Dutch company is involved with property of the US DoE it uses
>>109687226They are specifically aiming this ban at ASML, yet strangely they are quiet about their own American companies that continue to sell and maintain vital chip production machinery to China. They've done this a few times before as well, ban other countries from selling something to China only to turn round and sell it themselves instead.>>109687247America provides some key components to ASML, they can ban the export of those components to ASML. Plus they are just all-round bullies, they have been for decades but Trump is now airing this all out in the public for all to see. Just look at Canada, Americans have the fucking cheek to demand a veto on what Canada can sell to other countries.I hope China's own research into chip production is advanced far enough along to survive this ban, America is being so fucking petty in this tech race. Whatever happened to America championing the "free market"? Or do they only like it when it benefits them?
>>109687226Sharts can't even defeat useless shithole like Shitran.
>>109687247Because european politicians do not protect europe sovereignty as their loyalty lies elsewhere.There are post-facto arguments like in this post >>109687392 about technological dependency, but those are pure cope. The US need ASML much more than China, so suggesting the obedience comes from fear of being destroyed is non-sense. It is a bluff that anybody can see clearly.And more importantly, it is not how the US historically operate. When a company refuses to bend the knee, they go after the CEO personally with made-up charges, and european politicians are happy to extradite their own citizens or help set up a trap.
>>109687226>America going to such lengths to ensure that China can't compete with TaiwanIs Taiwan just another Israel?
>>109687532>Because european politicians do not protect europe sovereignty as their loyalty lies elsewhere.EU is a slow motion death camp.
>>109687247Parts of the ASML machines are made in the US.
>>109687392>Whatever happened to America championing the "free market"? Or do they only like it when it benefits them?Did you just wake up from a coma? Do you know China is now in the WTO?
>>109687563Taiwan is a temporary US vassal, but the moment the US has enough cutting edge EUV fabs, Taiwan is fucked too.Israel is the only Israel.
>>109687573The WTO is dead.The US forced everyone to play nice with China by pushing them into WTO, then the US killed the WTO and want everyone to turn on a dime.
>>109687573>Do you know China is now in the WTO?That means fuckall when America can target and attack them so openly.
>>109687226>America is finally banning ___They will change their minds after a week. They will of course make a Tweet about it saying it's because of successful negotiations.Mutt vs chink nothingburgers should be classified as spam.
>>10968722615th time this year sanctions COMPLETELY DESTROYED an economy
>>109687226Turampu-senpai, threatening the only manufacturer of DUV machines might not be the smartest decision doko
>>109687226One thing I hope AI does is teach more countries how to make their own lithography machines at some point down the line, fuck this gay ass political chokeholding of essential tech
>>109688806those kinds of corporate secrets aren't going to be input into generally available AI
>>109688279Austrian School fags in absolute shambled. Destroyed by SANCTIONS and TAXES.
>>109687392>They are specifically aiming this ban at ASML, yet strangely they are quiet about their own American companies that continue to sell and maintain vital chip production machinery to China.Not strangely. Intentionally. Earlier drafts of the Match bill that is meant to shackle the sale and maintenance of DUV machines in China, banned all DUV sales to China. Trump's administration later revised this to exempt domestic US fab producers.Basically, he's using the bill to obtain an anti-competitive business-advantage because US fab producers cannot compete with ASML if they have to do so fairly. Trump's using this to push ASML out of the Chinese market so the US producers can step in and seize it instead. All under the guise of it being an international security interest. (It's more of an insecurity-interest. Trump's.)
>>109687569Only the replaceable ones that can be sourced from other vendors as well.
>>109688829Ideally if an AI ever got powerful enough it would be able to reinvent the machine from the wide amount of knowledge around the concepts that enabled its creation in the first place.
>>109687574The US doesn't have the skilled workers to build or operate them
>>109688898Lmao, no. The EUV light source that the rest of the machine is built around was invented in San Diego by Cymer. That is the MOST irreplaceable piece.
>>109687260>China will just make their own EUV machines! You'll be sorry!This is DUV they're talking about, not even EUV. DUV is old technology and China is still struggling to replicate it. By the time they figure it out, the West will be moving on from from EUV to Hyper-NA EUV. Chang is NEVER CATCHING UP. LMAO!
>>109687226The so called American free market when viable alternatives exist and will district their monopolies on technology lmao
>>109690159lmao. Chang is mad they couldn't reverse engineer ASML machines with ease and run them out of business like they have with countless other simpler goods.Sucks to suck.
>>109687226sorry guys op here, i jsut got a call back from ding ping, its actually in 2 more weeks.
>>109687392yeah this is a chinese astroturf post lmfaono one could possibly be this clueless>the usa is just one big freaking bully against poor old china who would never harm a fly or perform any of the millions of acts of espionage and market manipulation that they have been proven to do. gwailo did you know that over 99% of chinese own their own home because its so great there?
>>109687226GENERAL PING PONG IS FINALLY FINISHED
>>109687247THAT'S THE FREE MARKET BABY
What about the empty threat of America banning all lithography sales to Europe?
>>109687247Because the USA partially owns ASML patent since the USA researchers did the headstart on the R&D first.
>maystopped reading there
>>109687226>clueless eurochads questioning why would ASML complythey really are too based to even bother reading a financial report before commenting
>>109687247Because EUV machines are assembled in the Netherlands but need a key part from San Diegoand DUV machines are assembled in Connecticut but need key parts from EUASML switching to DUV production back to Europe would reduce EUV output, where all the real money is for ASMLYou can find this all online from ASML themselves if you had an actual curiosity
>>109687247The USA has controlled Europe since WW2. Europeans could just still sell to China and if there really was something ASML needs from the USA, ASML could just be told not to export to the USA anymore.
It's fun to watch the US self-immolate because the tangerine in a wig still firmly believes that the global trade is the same as it was in the 1960's or whichever time period he's stuck in mentally.By having to enforce bans and restrictions, to the point where you're pulling strings to make foreign governments do your bidding, you're admitting that you've lost the "AI race". You have fucked everything up for yourself by buying into the con of Sam and Dario that this is the new Cold War and everything has to be about LLM's, you've let the two Jewish fraudsters grift you to no end, and now that their grift is being threatened by the Chinese doing actual work instead of scamming the government, it's all ban this, ban that, projecting to the world that you're a loser that cannot compete anymore, so you have to resort to undermining the competition.
>>109691420Why are you making it about AI when the trade war has been going on for a decade already?
Wait, doesn't Denmark own Greenland? And they also have ASML? Why wouldn't they just tell cheeto retard to go fuck himself and continue dealing with the Chinese. Like why not do it? Fuck this guy he can't do shit anyway
>>109687247>why does America decide who a Dutch company does business with?Europe is our bitch now, that's why. You either obey or get fucked by sanctions
>>109691437Because this particular ban is a direct result of the "AI race"? The US is realizing they're losing as they've let themselves get scammed by two faggots, they've fucked up the entire chip market to do so, and the entire tech sector including the RAM cartel has bribed the US government to hell and back, and they really don't want China to start manufacturing their own RAM as that'll fuck up the RAM cartel's price fixing scheme. Trump is a fucking moron and he's being played like a fiddle.
>>109691420And they lost another war to the towelheads. AmeriKEK’s can’t stop losing
>>109691484Afghanistan? That was a fucking mess that could've been avoided if the US looked at how well that went for the Soviets. Kneejerk reaction war started by Bush over 9/11, a disaster two decades in the making, and only under the Biden administration they've finally realized that it's a massive sunk cost fallacy, noped the fuck out, whilst doing it in a spectacularly clumsy fashion, leaving behind a metric fuckton of equipment paid for by the US taxpayer.Coincidentally, goatfuckers having access to US military equipment paid for by the US taxpayer is how they were able to pull off 9/11, but history is a flat fucking circle. Russians are shooting up Ukrainians with Thompsons that the US sent them back in the 1940's, this shit will keep on repeating, no one will ever learn any lessons, et cetera et cetera.
>>109691477In this narrative you have in your head, why did China restrict the export of critical minerals to the USA?
>>109691541Because the orange dumbass believed that if Reagan did tariffs back in the 80's and it worked, that he could pull the same shit in 2020's and it would still work, only for it to not fucking work because it's not the fucking 80's anymore so it's a constant one-up game of who can fuck over who with more restrictions and tariffs that ends up benefitting no one?
>>109687255>>109687226UH EXCUSE ME, BUT CHINA HAS LIGHT POLLUTIONWHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT CHUDS?
>>109687247Legal agreements and dependency on US owned intellectual property
>>109691556Exactly. It's not a race, it's a chicken game. I think you understand it's not about AI.
>>109691572Yeah, fair. If anything the "AI race" accelerated the chicken game bullshit.
>>109687247America has seized control of SWIFT, which gives them control over ASMLFollow the money and you find the ultimate bully pulpitAllowing America into SWIFT was a mistake, if they were removed it would demolish their soft power overnightThis is also what allows them to try and sanction Iran, if not fro their control over SWIFT it would be largely meaningless but with SWIFT they have the ability to interdict the funds of just about any organization on Earth who does business (directly or indirectly, intentionally or inadvertently) with businesses associated even tangentially with Iran
>>109691556Reagan notoriously hated tariffs too, and only implemented them in very narrowly targeted ways for a specific reason. Which seems to be lost on Trump
>>109687247We literally own those irrelevant Euro shitholes. No joke. They can seethe but they are our property.
>>109691566holy shit they built Night City IRL
>>109687247Dutch cucks are our colony
>>109687226India super strong saarThis sure won't backfire no saar. Invite more Indians and pajeetas to America! Very smart sar
>>109687247burgers can't compete so they stall/manipulate the competition instead
>>109691566I know most of china isn't like that but I kinda want to visit big cities in China/Korea/Japan and just walk around at night without fear of getting jumped by minorities.
btw the idea so far is the US will pay ASML Inc some projected amount for DUV machines not sold and compensate for lost maintenance contracts by investing in expanding ASML facilities in the USAnd then ASML is to accelerate EUV machine production insteadi.e. a key constraint on memory production and chip production would be reduced worldwide at the expense of China and the US is footing the bill to do this as they think it beneficial
>>109692422I don't think this will happen because it'd be good and nothing good ever happens.
>>109692432this is the plan, they may fuck it up somehow. but the initial discussion was never a simple ban, it started with tax and investment compensation
>>109692247>Japanlmao wayyyy too late for that, pal. Japan is filled with African immigrants that will beat the shit out of you if you walk around late at night.
>>109692247i think you can do that anywhere outside some parts of africa and the americas
>>109687247it's called a sanction. when you don't like someone, you convince all of your friends to bully that guy and they go along with it because they either like you enough or you're powerful enough
>they totally won't make their own>TOTALLYLol you burgers were dumb enough to deindustrialize yourselves, you're finished, just accept it already.
>>109687415that doesn't even matter when the datacenters just take the power from the residential areas, who the fuck needs to pay for more infrastructure?
Within just two weeks....
>>109687574Sharts are completely struggling to get any decent yields from their advanced fabsIt will be a long time
>>109687226>America is finally banning all lithography sales to China and also banning ASML from doing maintenance on the ones china already hasIf Dutch don't resist it it will fuck ASML very hard in the long run. The maintenance part is crucial. Imagine buying an expensive product and now the manufacturer that signed the contract says sorry we won't repair it. This shit breaks every now and then it's not bought and Gucci. Shit needs to be maintenaned all the time
>>109687392>Hurr theyre just all around bulliesYou say that as if any leading nation of others isn't "just a bully" you know, as if your country wouldnt just do the same shit or doesn't.
Chinkoids on odd day:saar chinkna is STRONK saar USA is le weak declining empiresaar our economy is unstoppablesaar chinkna century NOWsaar new heckin world leader has arrived saar westerners are seething even though we even illegally move to americab and are desperate to leave chinknaChinkoids on even day:Saar evil USA controls EVERYTHING saar why won't America give us its technologysaar sanctions are heckin unfairsaar poor chinkoids cannot compete without copying western tech saar what happened to free marketsaar intellectual property is literally oppressionsaar please stop embargoing us saarAmerisaar won’t you PLEASE think of the poor, helpless copycats They desperately need you to invent everything first so they can copycat it, reverse-engineer it, undercut you, backstab you, and then write a 40-page manifesto about how they’re actually superior to you.Apparently chinkods are simultaneously the greatest technological superpower in human history AND a bunch of helpless little victims who can’t survive without America’s technology.Pick. One. Fucking. Story. Changs.
>>109687226US really wants to lose any possible wiggle room to influence China, huh?
>>109692422Tokyo Electric is getting raped too.
>>109692422it's going to take yearswhile china already makes RAM
>>109691177when was the last time one of those reports had anything of substance in it?
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