Wtf happened to Linux. I have used it for over a decade and I think I'd rather go back a decade than use it the way it is now. >overly political trannydevs>everything uses systemd or systemd-isms, even "systemd free" distros>a lot of distros are vibe coded>the goddamn kernel is vibe codedIf I can migrate to ZFS and build a kernel module to activate my network card on FreeBSD it's time to jump the hell off this sinking ship.
>>109692188KDE 1.x and 2.x had soul.
>>1096921973.x wasn't bad either. You can also throw in that, although not specific to Linux, free software has also lost its beauty.
>>109692188>>109692197>>109692227>Cockerrorlmao yeah KDE fags do
>>109692188>>overly political trannydevsDon't read their blogs>>everything uses systemd or systemd-isms, even "systemd free" distrosThen use something like runit>>a lot of distros are vibe codedDon't use dogshit distros>>the goddamn kernel is vibe codedUse an old kernel thenNone of these are issues since in Linux you are free.
>>109692244>Then use something like runitYou can use runit and still be using systemd if you use things like elogind (an extracted stub of systemd-logind). Its dogshit compared to ConsoleKit2.>Don't use dogshit distrosAll distros are dogshit in some way. Name me one that's not.>Use an old kernel thenSo have less hardware support and expose yourself to exploits?
>>109692188>>a lot of distros are vibe coded>>the goddamn kernel is vibe codedSad but true, modern Linux is as trash as macOS or Windows in that regard.
So what the fuck are you supposed to use then?
>>109692292use what you want it's all the same shit
>>109692188ive been saying this since 2014 and it feels even more insulting that people are just now realizing this
>>109692188All of your points are disingenuous and false. You don't even know what systemD is.
>>109692451What was the problem then besides the really bad desktop situation (GNOME 3.x and the buggy versions of KDE 4.x)
>>109692465Seethe systemdnigger.
>>109692188Great, another retarded bait thread from a dumb faggot.>overly political trannydevsA useless generalization, as there are distro maintainers of all political persuasions. Also irrelevant, as this does not impact usability on Linux any more than it does on Windows and MacOS, both of which have innumerable "overly political trannydevs".>everything uses systemdInaccurate. Most distros now use systemd, not all.>even "systemd free" distros use systemd-ismsMeaningless nonsense.>a lot of distros are vibe coded>the goddamn kernel is vibe codedTwo flat out lies.>>109692274>All distros are dogshit in some wayAll operating systems are dogshit in some way. You can not name one that isn't, because whichever one you might approve of, can easily be hell for someone else to use.>elogind is dogshit compared to ConsoleKit2More subjective vomit with no substantiating points.>have less hardware support and expose yourself to exploitsAn updooter too. Figures.
>>109692520>reddit spacing>doesn't refute anything I said>"Most distros now use systemd, not all">what is eudev or elogindKek. Whatever makes you feel better about using it.
>>109692188I got sick of it all, now I'm using LFS and maintaining my own system, I actually feel free. You wont understand it until you feel it.
Idk man I use Arch with KDE and it works. You can even theme it to old KDE if you want.
>>109692188>seething about evil trannies Cope, chud. We're here to stay~
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>>109692554>reddit spacingLook at any 4chan post from 2005 (before you were born, and indeed before Reddit existed) and you'll see people using line breaks, as has been standard practice in English writing for centuries. The actual reddit spacing, by the way, is an ABSENCE of line breaks because redditors are used to hitting return only once to produce a line break (whereas on 4chan, you must hit the return key twice).You are a 2016 election tourist who's overstayed his welcome.
dunno man i'm chillin on cachyos i know i got some crappy elements in my icons and taskbar but whatever its not a big deal
>>109693956t r v t hn v k e
Why would you make up things to get mad at when there are so many things wrong with Linux worth discussing?- No stable API/ABI- Too many different projects rather than working centralized (causing issues like we have seen with the XZ backdoor)- Command line driven (if the idea is you want desktop Linux to succeed then the role of the command line has to change with serious code changes on how the interface works).
>>109692188Temu Windows 2000>>109692197Temu Windows XP>>109692227Temu Windows Vista
>>109693956factual I'm afraid
>>109692188>>109692197>>109692227SOVL
>>109694044>No stable API/ABIThe Linux kernel is one of the most stable ABIs and one of its core tenets is to never break userspace, whereas win32 is so unstable that programs have to rely on a library to make syscalls instead of being able to do it directly.>Too many different projects rather than working centralized (causing issues like we have seen with the XZ backdoor)True but kind of unavoidable in an open project like Linux. The alternative would be that the kernel only allows approved userspace software, e.g. a fork of the xz-utils that is maintained by the Foundation, but this wouldn't be open source anymore.>Command line driven (if the idea is you want desktop Linux to succeed then the role of the command line has to change with serious code changes on how the interface works).Pretty sure every operating system is, by your definition, "command line driven". They just so happen to have graphical frontends to those commands that are more developed than Linux does. Still, most just-werks distros have GUI frontends for most things you'd use a command line for.
>>109692520>both of which have innumerable "overly political trannydevs".Lunduke told me linux is filled with trannydevs and communists so thats why I dont use it
>>109692188Linux?You mean>Microsoft SystemD/Linux TM
>>109693965also cachyOS user here, switched from windows 2 months agoThere's a bunch of issues with it and I always have to ask grok how do fix shit, and often there isn't a solution, but at least it isn't windows and I can do that cool linux shit I've heard of over all these years like terminal thingys
>>109694856>>109693965also bro im using a 4k screen and kolourpaint doesnt scale properly and I have to zoom out 50% to have the image actually be at 100%, pretty annoying, but whatever
>>109692520>Two flat out lies.Not in the slightest, they've been accepting vibecode, primarily the kernel, for a good while now. By Linus' decree, even.
>>109694952>repeating the lie makes it true
>>109694957It's quite literally factual, they've been accepting vivecode into the kernel "as long as it works", and Linus even endorses it.Like it or not, but the guys maintaining the kernel and distros are the exact same types of people that fawn over AI.
>>109692292OpenIndiana and Triblix. The Illumos kernel is defacto a descendent of the "AT&T" Unix.
@109694521Bad faith and red herrings. No (YOU) for you>The Linux kernel is one of the most stable ABIs and one of its core tenets is to never break userspaceI was never talking about Kernel space I was talking about User space and user space is unstable. People shouldn't have to develop things like they are making iOT devices the whole point of userspace is to abstract and have stability.>whereas win32 is so unstable that programs have to rely on a library to make syscalls instead of being able to do it directly.Complete farce the windows subsystem and it's apis are inside DLLs to ensure stability as the kernel is not meant for developing software directly on, it is a desktop operating system, it's also a decision they made, which is fine as Win32 is plenty stable if it wasn't you wouldn't be using proton (build on the wine a reimplemenation of Win32 userspace to a degree) to make games work and games made on Linux would still work properly without recompiling the software or ensuring the environment is literally version locked.>e.g. a fork of the xz-utils that is maintained by the Foundation, but this wouldn't be open source anymore.What the fuck are you on about is the Linux kernel close source then because that's effectively managed by the foundation.>Pretty sure every operating system is, by your definition, "command line driven".No, Windows is not command line driven it's GUI driven with the command line (shell) working with apis that already exists. the problem with Linux is inherited form Unix, Unix is designed to be command line only, then the GUI came and they had to retrofit which they did with X11. many applications in linux require bash(or a posix shell) to exist so the system can boot up; systemd requires 'bash', the logon manager requires 'bash', many application QT/GTK require 'bash', if an OS cannot start without an command line environment or I like to call it an interface it's a command line driven OS... [2/1]
>>109695385(me)I tested this I ripped out all the shells out of Windows and Linux and saw that Windows just boots and Linux doesn't. >Still, most just-werks distros have GUI frontends for most things you'd use a command line for.Nope, What distrobutions have is desktop envoirments that all suck because of what I mentioned before but not only that but also, when you do anything that is't chromebook tier task you are in the command-line again (aw shit nigger), it's fine when it's for automation and the exceptional stuff but when you have a command-line shell that also sucks to use well it get's very annoying fast.I could go on and on about design flaws in the desktops. Like how crashes are silent and you need the command line to see what goes wrong or the many times I have been cucked by the packager (core-distro-repo) of a piece of software because they didn't add a critical library meaning, you installed a broken application directly form the software center in the happy path simply like that, how gnome is an unserious desktop that is not meant for peek effiency it looks like UI designers wet dream and fuctions like it (not great UX, but according to gnome UI is UX) just like other GTK desktop or how KDE's core stuff just crashes if you look at it the wrong way hey atleast I get some (useless) error message some times in that envoirment as long as it isn't a hard crash.Or how you cannot have two audios overlapping because that causes the audio to destort and peeks my headphones.C'mon guys it's clear, linux is optimized for webservers and iot.The Linux Desktop is an amature project (or set of projects) propt up by angry the unix fanboy community because they lost against Windows.[2/2]
>>109692188I've been calling it out for years and nobody listened. To be fair the descent has been far slower than I expected. I'll once again doom-post about AI = death of linux, and I will probably be wrong. For now.More seriously, it's hardly only linux. Everything is fucked at a level I never thought possible. Even my work colleagues are pointing out the webshit services they use daily are far more broken nowadays than they used to be.But nobody cares. Things are too centralized, there are no alternatives. Even if shit would only work 1h a day, we'd still be stuck on the current shit services and nobody would move to working alternatives.
>>109692274I like mx-linux, but it has the same problem where it's all systemdism (though thankfully no systemd on pid 1).
>>109692292I wish haiku got more development thrown at it. It's hardly a panacea, but it would be a (slight) step away from unixation, which is always good, and an alternative that doesn't suck massive donkey balls (only small ones today, perhaps none eventually)
>>109693956>I'm an oldfag, I've been there all summer!
>>109693096I use Slackware with Fluxbox. Started using it years ago for some old, slow laptops but kept it due to familiarity with the setup, scripts, etc.
>>109692188Use Trinity Desktop, also with XLibre.
>>109692188>use systemdId rather use substance-d amirite?
>>109694044Only the first one makes sense. You lost me with being scared of the command line. If you are scared of the command line, you are a toddler that should stay on Windows anyway. The majority of *BSD operating systems solve problem #1>>109697417Trinity's not bad but Xlibre is pretty poorly designed. I dont think Metux knows what he's doing, apparently AI is heavily involved.
@109697863>Only the first one makes sense. You lost me with being scared of the command line. If you are scared of the command line, you are a toddler that should stay on Windows anyway. The majority of *BSD operating systems solve problem #1Here is another bad faith arguments linux users make, ah you are scared of the command line. This is not what it's about it's about modern desktop operating systems normal people don't want to interact with command lines it's called being aligned with reality and when I am in a graphical environment I am expecting many of the things to be doable graphically, history shouldn't excuse it but yet that's all what Linux on the desktop has going for being a free 'unixbox', unix a toy operating system that died in the 90s. And no I am not scared of the command line, I just don't want to go back to the digital bronze age every single time when I want to do normal shit. It's a desktop, not a server.
>>109692188>LinuxIt's still just a kernel, and you clearly have no real interest in using it
>>109697863>I dont think Metux knows what he's doing, apparently AI is heavily involved.We can be pretty certain that the Xorg dudelets are all out in disinformation.Anyway, Xlibre is not the only game in town, how about AI wriiten in assembly language? Apparently so efficient the fans no longer need to spin:https://isene.org/2026/07/Frame.html
>>109698144It is sad that 4cucks no longer require shitposters to have an IQ of 18 or higher to post here.
>Here is another bad faith arguments linux users make, ah you are scared of the command line. This is not what it's about it's about modern desktop operating systems normal people don't want to interact with command lines it's called being aligned with reality and when I am in a graphical environment I am expecting many of the things to be doable graphically, history shouldn't excuse it but yet that's all what Linux on the desktop has going for being a free 'unixbox', unix a toy operating system that died in the 90s. And no I am not scared of the command line, I just don't want to go back to the digital bronze age every single time when I want to do normal shit. It's a desktop, not a server.
>>109692469developmental focus on rice, and not even good rice like compiz, just bullshit that you see in the desktop and speccy threads. btfrs is just now becoming a thing and you still have to configure your system for it. most package managers suck, there's always broken dependencies and the solution is to always make it more like windows store instead of self contained executables. between fglrx and nvidia bullshit gaming is 2nd class experience, all of the major desktops are rivaling windows in how fucking lardy they are with api bloat no one asked for. ladybird is dead, serentiy and react are just toys for virtual machines, openxp is literally just the desktop rice threads in discord, this entire generation has 0 interest in fixing the shit they complain about every day
>>109692188>FreeBSDIf your goal is to get away from trannydevs, FreeBSD has been infiltrated for ages now. They adopted a pozzed CoC before the Linux kernel did. Last I checked, OpenBSD has been pretty resistant to political bullshit, though.
It's odd that the peak of Linux dates around the peak of Windows, so back when Win7 was king, no one really cared for Win8/8.1 and before Win10 happened. Both went down the shitter around the same time.
>>109696063You don't need to be an oldfag, nor LARP as one, to recognise obvious truths.
>>109693890Yeah, keep telling yourself that. You pieces of shit invade every space and act like you fucking own it, and you can't go a fucking second without bringing up your perversions. You're always the WORST people to work and live alongside and we're tired of you. The day all of you end up in boxcars can't come soon enough.
>>109692188This is how I know some of you are contrarian retards that care more about a secret club than having something usefulLinux used to suck a decade ago. Now it's useable for everyday use, and in about ten years it'll be shit like windows is now and I'll move to something else.
>>109699783>Linux used to suck a decade agoNope. Linux 10 years ago was kino. Systemd was nowhere near as invasive as it is now, there was none of this btrfs bullshit, and s*ydevs were not as prevalent as they are now.
>>109699517If you are the /pol/ inclined kind of anon, then you will be distraught to learn OpenBSD has Jews, transsexuals, and feminists. They exist as developers, ports maintainers, and those creating material outside the project such as websites, promotional material, etc, in varying amounts.There have been small open statements made, but were retracted due to OpenBSD's insular and private nature. The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.
>>109699933>If you are the /pol/ inclined kind of anon, then you will be distraught to learn OpenBSD has Jews, transsexuals, and feminists. They exist as developers, ports maintainers, and those creating material outside the project such as websites, promotional material, etc, in varying amounts.Critically, however, the project lacks an oppressive CoC that allows such individuals to aggressively seize control of the project and force everybody they don't like out. Unless something has changed since I last checked, OpenBSD still has a culture of caring about technical merit over political nonsense.
