Sadly, this is true in 2026
>No Visual Studio
>>109694804Install Gentoo
I hope you get paid for this. Doing it for free is definitely a whole new level of cringe
>>109694804>limited upgrade optionsBold statement when comparing it to a computer with no upgrade options.You're right about the screen though.
Reminder not to iteract with such threads
the most important partmy macbook with 128 gb ram can run local LLMschinkpads cant run even a nigger-quantized 1b model
>>109694804so true fuck semenpadst. dynabook chad
>>109694827>Bold statement when comparing it to a computer with no upgrade options.AMD gave us 10 years of AM4 support. You definitely have upgrade options from a desktop PC.Sadly, socketable CPUs haven't been a thing in laptops for years now. Not even Framework with their "modular laptop" scam is pushing for that.
>>109694869>>109694827I know you meant compared to the MacBook though. Reality is laptops have been shit for upgradability for years now.You can upgrade the RAM if you're lucky enough for it to not be soldered down. Same for the SSD and that's it. Those are your "upgrade" options.
>>109694840>macbook>running local LLMsYou're supposed to run them on your desktop you retard
>>109694804You can buy a four-five year old refurbished Thinkpad T14 gen 3 for $300 with 16 gb ram and 256 gb ssd that'll last you a long time, especially with linux.
>>109694869Apple m1 support will be easily 9-10 yearsit's 6 atm.>>109694906Retard majority of desktops don't have unified ram to run it.
>>109694804Why don't you take your slop and post it somewhere else?
>>109694889>You can upgrade the RAM if you're lucky enough for it to not be soldered down.All of the intel's have one slot in T14 gen 1 to 4 and two in gen 5 to 6. AMD has one in gen 1-2, then only soldered in gen 3-4, then two slots in gen 5-6 iirc.AMD ones are more powerful, but the intel ones are more available and affordable.
>>109694825>I hope you get paid for this. Doing it for free is definitely a whole new level of cringe4chan is pretty much an industry shilling place at this point. There's no genuine discussion left.Look at boards that don't have any natural shilling like /fit/. That place is completely and utterly dead at this point. The traffic is a fraction of the glory days in 2010-2013.
>>109694804Having a $3000 macbook and a cheap Dell, I have to disagree on the dev experience part. MacOS is such a clusterfuck, it's pretty much unusable for me.I've found only one use for that thing: permanently displaying a website, something a $30 raspberry clone can do.
>>109694971>ThisPretty much every Apple developer shits all over XCode that's required for development on it. It's so bad they literally have cloud integration in it now to build your app on somebody else's server.
The biggest issue with MacBooks is software compatibility. Some software only works on Windows (I'm not even talking about video games, but industry-specific software in general) I know Wine exists and works quite well, and you can always use a virtual machine, but it's still not idealBut besides software, objectively speaking, I'm not sure if any Windows laptop is built as well as a MacBook. Maybe the Surface? I was also checking out the new Dell XPS but they're literally more expensive than a MacBook with the same configuration....I'm really curious about the new RTX laptops from NVIDIA. Maybe they'll be a good rival to MacBooks we'll see. I'm really curious to see how they turn out
>>109695014>arm windows will be goodMacBooks are only good because of the hardware-software integration symbiosis.Njudea can't fix Windows regardless if it's x86 or arm.
But Macbooks give you a Hitler moustache in the top of the display. That's your price of entry.
>>109695030>Njudea can't fix Windows regardless if it's x86 or arm.They will fix it with Linux. NVIDIA is unironically working on Linux support for their ARM laptops better than any other vendor does, with proper UEFI and ACPI support, etc.Kind of funny, that the ARM support is such a shitshow that even NVIDIA can do better than everyone else.
>>109694923this. it's embarrassing that the thread has this many replies
>>109694804>iSolderdOnly a retard would buy an apple.
>>109694804you can install linux on the stinkpad though, which has a better developer experience
>>109695192Yeah bro, your labs come out saying "confidential" in the title
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>>109694804>>109695288ai slop
>>109694804>macbalding>stinkpadincel
>>109694804I can open the Thinkpad with a standard screwdriver.
>>109694810>Install Parallels>Now it is available
>>109694804>built for the past, not the futureI DONT WANT YOUR "FUTURE"I WANT MY "PAST" BACK"Built for the past" is a SELLING POINT for me
>>109695288Louis
>>109694804>older intel cpus>poor battery lifenot a problem at all on latest models with Intel core ultra series processors>displayyou literally have a choice to get whatever display you want>clunky drivers, bios issues, windows overhead??idk what you mean, drivers and bios updates are fully automatic with lenovo vantage>bulky, noisy, outdatedjust get the latest models and X series ones if you prefer mobility.>aging hardwarebro..just get the newer models...This has to the lowest IQ thread ever made
>>109695526>Intel core ultra series processorslol nigga x86 is a dinosaur
>>109694804Yep. I bought my grandma a new macbook because the alternatives are all complete shit and Windows is a shameful disservice to its users. Even Linux support is extremely spotty on laptops. Thankfully Intel actually tries and helps, for instance nu-webcams now mostly work on Linux. The macbook Linux scene isn't healthy since there are only a handful of devs without salaries working on it , which is a shame, but Apple is evil.
>>109694804> Not (Developer-Friendly)> BIOS issues??
>>109695579Yes. ACPI shitcode is pretty common in laptops now and other firmware issues, resulting in insane performance issues. You're basically rolling the dice when you buy any non-macbook brand now since they treat platform devs like dogshit and most cattle can't tell the difference because their intrusive kernel antivirus by ClownStrike(r) already causes issues.
>>109695579https://github.com/Zephkek/Asus-ROG-Aml-Deep-DiveLink very related>B-but it's ASUSthey all white-label the same shit computers.
>>109695570Incel really doesn’t get enough credit for their linux / open source / various tooling contributions, they do a lot of goodit’s all the more baffling why they monetize every weird extra feature on their chips to squeeze an extra buck (and in the end nobody but a few hyperscalers buys those anyway), it’s so at odds to their software worksayymd in contrast gives everybody access to everything that exists on hardware so even dirt poor students end up providing them the occasional labor in optimization and software
>>109695526COPE
>>109695646desu its been pretty nice having intel devs write GPL driver codethe platform vendors though like >>109695611 fuck that shit up
>>109695570Apple is evil for not supporting trannies/indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis distributing malware on apple hardware via linux?Are you retarded?Linux has 0 security, normies should never touch it.
>>109695819Linux literally runs the Internet. If it has 0 security then clearly it's not showing given that the entire Internet and economy hasn't collapsed into a big dark black bottomless black hole yet.
>>109694804Why sadly? Why the fuck does this board hate Apple so much?
>>109695819>Apple is evil for not supporting trannies/indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis distributing malware on apple hardware via linux?Yes. Very much so. Intel has done more for me than Apple has, by a lot. They are objectively better company by moral standards. Hell, I'll argue they do more than AMD, since they at least hire competent people to work on their Linux/FOSS shit.
>>109694804The only thing this graph shows is that colored pictures look better than grayscale
>>109695819>Linux has 0 securityidk why you'd say something this retarded. Linux was one of the first majorly used systems to deploy a capability model that was actually used by more than 10 people. Flatpak literally just works and puts sandboxing controls mostly in the user's hands.why are you so gay?
>>109695850>why does this technology board hate an evil rent-seeking, spyware, shit company with insane margins so much?>what do you mean you don't like being locked into niche devkits that are inferior to Windows / Linux alternatives?Apple shit is good because Apple dumps obscene money into their system and also their rent-seeking is a sort of double-edged sword that saves normgroids from themselves, sort of. We're seeing in real time as fagOS becomes more of a botnetted, adware riddled locked down mess, but unfortunately, it's still better than the alternatives for normies.
>>109695840>Linux literally runs the InternetDesktop linux is same as server linux, yep.
>>109695852>Intel has done more for apple????what has intel done besides creating useless laptops cpus and desktop cpus that have same TDP as thermonuclear reactors?
>>109695892sure why not? Most Windows would literally have a panic attack if you handed them a Windows Server without "desktop experience" installed. You can still run a RDP/VNC server on a Linux machine and get your desktop Linux(r) in the cloud(tm).
>>109695906provide working drivers for them and their various peripherals, for GNU+Linux enthusiasts.
>>109695911Apple needs to block linux even more, all Asahi did was create more security vulnerabilities against OSX.Entire boot loader needs to be locked so indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis/jewishmossadhackers like you can fuck off and keep your malware/hacking in windows/linux scene.
>>109695974>Apple needs to block linux even morewhy?>all Asahi did was create more security vulnerabilities against OSX.what the fuck?I... ok retard.
>>109695983If you can install asashit linux on OSX laptop/desktop, that means it can be hacked... tard tranny.
>>109694804>let's you focuswhich pajeet wrote this shit?
>>109695850/g/ was the $200 thinkpad central even before the place was flooded by even poorer thirdies>>109695885Macos is pretty much linux with some extra applel spyware, there’s fuck all being locked down. Macos =/= ios.
>>109696153Simply false. fagOS gates more features behind enablement flags that can only be had by publishing your app to their app review and distributed through the store and eventually SIP will be non optional.
>>109694804what faggot made this image? if it wasn't from apple you should strongly consider therapy.
>>109696153>/g/ was the $200 thinkpad central even before the place was flooded by even poorer thirdiesbuying cheap 4-5 business laptops have been popular for decades though, it's not just a /a/ thing
>>109696004it's probably Claude slop. My boss makes these kinds of meme pics with Claude Designer all the time and I keep telling him to fix shit because it slips in weird fake details and meme shit like that.
The secret behind apple's success is mostly rogue marketing like this. You just have to brainwash people if you want success.
>>109696212Nobody uses app store for macos apps, homebrew probably has more usage altogether than app store despite it being a terminal utility>muh sip muh attestation boogeymanIn just two more weeks I’m sure>>109696233It doesn’t need to be coupled with a seething hatred for people buying an expensive laptop once every few years, especially when you use the thing for 20+ hours every weekAlas, sour grapes
>>109694804I'm using a ThinkPad with Linux and I can only agree on the powerful CPU, outstanding battery, stunning display and quietness / reliability MacBook Pros have, even if not perfect. But regarding developer experience? a ThinkPad with Linux is on par if not better, same goes for "future-ready", which is just a buzzword.
>>109696153BSD*
As a zoomer, I am confused. Why do you guys always specifically talk about "thinkpad", is it used interchangeably for any x86/windows/non apple laptop? is it just very popular in the US? or is it a meme of shorts? As you know most laptops in europe are non apple but i don't think i have ever seen a thinkpad in my life. there's obviously endless windows laptop variations from at least half a dozen mainstream manufacturers. is "thinkpad" a boomer thing?wiki says:>ThinkPad is a line of business-oriented laptop and tablet computers produced since 1992. It was originally designed, created and manufactured by the American International Business Machines (IBM) Corporation. IBM sold its PC business to the Chinese company Lenovo in 2005; since 2007, all ThinkPad models have been manufactured by Lenovo.[5]spoonfeed me.
>>109694810only retards who are learning to code use visual studio, print helloworld retardall normal people use IDE's
>>109696365no, when you say "thinkpad" you specifically mean Lenovo's ThinkPad brandThinkPad is a legendary brand of *business* laptops, meaning that mostly these devices are bought by big companies, corporations that employ tens of thousands of people and nowadays most of that workforce needs a laptop. So for the last 25 years they were buying premium, well built laptops, that are also much more expensive than the shit you see in European stores. The upside is, they can take the stresses of being used by your average office wagie and probably won't die for many years. ThinkPad is one of the lines of such products, but there are others, such as Dell's Latitude, or HP used to have an EliteBook line. You don't see these in stores because the retail market for these is relatively small.Now once a corporate laptop like this reaches its end of life (a big company doesn't use these to death - it's enough if they reliably last 4-5 years) the company dumps them into the market for pennies. This is how ThinkPads first made their way into the greasy hands of impoverished 4channers when, especially midway through last decade, Lenovo's ThinkPad x200 started hitting the street, and you could get these for pennies, getting a legendarily rugged, capable and extensible laptop. The x200 was so good it managed to hype up the ThinkPad brand on 4chan even more (Though IBM ThinkPads were already legendary the decade before that) and many people are running these devices to this very day. Along the way, Lenovo managed a couple other good models, such as notably the T410 which is still quite popular despite being made in like 2018. tl;dr these laptops are good, better than consumer tier shit available in stores and last much longer
>>109694804If you can afford to spend 3 to 4 thousand fucking dollars, a modern macbook is unmatched. Otherwise, thinkpads are fine.
>>109696425I have an M1 macbook air and a 2025 ThinkPad X13The macbook is better in every way, starting with build quality, CPU is also much better in the macbook and macOS is rock stable on it. I only got the X13 because I really need linux for some things but modern arm macbooks are better in every way and probably cost the same as thinkpads nowadays
>>109696445Where is the upgradable RAM, replaceable battery, and a GPU? Hell you cant even replace a faulty keyboard yourself
>>109696404>they can take the stresses of being used by your average office wagieso, it's a meme luxury product that companies get conned into buying en mass because it can sustain the imaginary burdens of office work and many of these products hit the streets of india. got it.
>>109696289>muh sip muh attestation boogeymanlollmao.
i still prefer the thinkpad keyboard but my m4 pro macbook will be in production for many years i think. other than dust its the same as the unboxing. plus the centered extremely responsive trackpad never fucks up.who is competing with the macbook trackpad these days? it was perfect 15 years ago and remained perfect through major changes. someone must be because it's 90% of most users interaction with a pc
>>109694804this is unironically true. I hate my work shitpad. I can't even use it on my lap without it heating up. Its market cost in $2000 but has a terrible mic and terrible speakers. Genuinely wish they gave us macbook pros instead. Only someone who has never done real work with a thinkpad would think a thinkpad is better. My m1 macbook air mogs my work thinkpad into oblivion. The only pro about the thinkpad is that, the window management is better compared to a mac but that's really a windows thing not a thinkpad specific thingThis is why im grinding to switch to a company that actually respects their employees and gives them thinkpads.
