Can someone explain to me how china is spending 10x less and still beat us in AI? China barely trying.
>>109715537doesn't it seem weird that the US can spend that much on unprofitable shit. i guess a lot of it comes right back in the form of Nvidia revenue. but china's reaction is hmm we should spend billions on that too
>>109715537These graphs typically don't account for purchasing power. $1 in China can buy you a lot more than $1 in the US. America's GDP is only bigger than China's in nominal terms.
>>109715537US corporations embezzle most of their capital and squander the rest.
China and US report capital expenses differently, if you're looking at pure private sector non government funded numbers sure this graph makes sense because the Chinese government is the one mostly funneling in money to building.
>still beat us in ai
>>109715607Just 5 years ago, US massively leads AI with hardware and software (boston dynamic and gpt3). China 5 years ago literally had nothing in AI. Then suddenly came out of nowhere and leads in hardware and soon in software. it's over...
>>109715537they don't send infinity gibs to isrl
It's like a steamed hams meme with these graphs>You know these graphs all seem to heavily skew towards you from news agencies that hate trump and also have ties to China>Dohohohoh noo that's just hate speech, from uhhh x and elon! Look at your ram prices gweilo>May I see the AI datacenters to confirm the data then?>mmmm no>mmhmm yes of course...
>>109715537China is actually developing shit, the US is just using it to piss money away. like you have nvidia investing 30 billion in OpenAI who is then ordering 30 billion worth of nvidia GPUs, it's all a giant money laundering operation but all investors are getting raging erections because everything costs 100x as much now.
>>109715654>forecasted energy generation What does this even mean, energy generation of what?>US 0 GW>China 1000GWWhat? I project the NZ will have a dysons sphere tomorrow checkmate world NZ won! >Datacenter Energy demand>120GW by 2034What does this even mean when you look at it, it means literally jack shit.
>>109715537the point of AI slop in the west is massive wealth redistribution into the hands of the few with this tax dollar stealing scampushing the technology forward is just a secondary objective at this point but still important since it is automating away white collar jobs and destroying the leverage of the white 110+ IQ worker who has been fairly compensated for too long
>>109715537because they are stealing tech. however it also shows that open source will destroy these main leading cloud ai eventually.
>>109715680it's Bloomberg data.I didn't make those numbers.
>>109715654thats not even the issue. The major issue is that baby boomer nimby faggots don't want anything built. the fucking dsa and all these city retards also have a fuckload of legal bullshit to get absolutely anything built in the cities now. Its a huge problem that dems need to solve because republicans don't give a fuck.
>>109715695>however it also shows that open source will destroy these main leading cloud ai eventually.facts. but i'm worried open source will win, then still get AWS'd
>>109715696>it's Bloomberg data.Ah, lol nvm
>>109715537I mean if the bet on AI pays off, US will be the defacto superpower for the next 50 years else they'll be overtaken by China in the next decade or two.
>>109715537well, obviously China does the majority of their spending denominated in the yuan, so a USD chart isn't going to tell you the whole storyif you were to swap the currencies, I bet the US line would be almost flat
does anyone know why this became sports for politics-maximizers?
>>109715680>energy generation of what>what does this even meanDamn /g/ can't even read basic graphs.
>>109715707>nimby faggots don't want anything built.Yeah they don't want it, because they would end up paying for those data centers and they would get 0$ from it lol, no shit?Chinese have been building their grid for 3 decades and continue to do so. >>109715726The same way why space race was important during Soviet Union times.
>>109715734>The same way why space race was important during Soviet Union times.They're going to use AI to launch nuclear warheads? SHIT
>>109715734>Yeah they don't want it,this is what I am talking about. You are a mentally brain damage individual unless you are a foreign asset in which case you probably are you should kill yourself. Seriously anyone can see through your fucking bullshit. WE need to build we need to do it right now and I don't give a flying fuck if some faggot baby boomer has to pay it. Who in the fuck thinks any of this will be free? What a load of fucking bullshit. Even though you are wrong about what it will cost. TX had many many years to build its electrical grid but it did not because of faggots like you and what ended up happening is a fucking ice storm cut off all the power. KILL YOURSELF.
>>109715749Why are you mad at me faggot?I don't care.
>>109715731Anon you can generate a ton of energy by burning garbage, it doesn't mean it's applicable for industrial use.
>>109715765Retard here is the video article from the screen grab.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5UJ3ugs0dY
>>109715627>>109715558>>109715537Because all their Ai models / software is made by American white males.They simplt copied it, distilled rhe models and sold it back to the americans cheaper than their own models.
>>109715777>bloombergYeah.... I'd rather ask a random highschooler what they thing the graph should be and probably get a more realistic answer.
>>109715731I'm no expert, but to be fair:you CAN have a "GW" of solar capacity... but that doesn't translate to 24/7 production, but like ~6 hours a day (depending on location). which means type of energy production should be specified when talking about power capacity
>>109715758I am enraged at nimby faggots. They post the most retarded bullshit and I want to rage out at them. They spread massive anti-nuclear energy everything thats good for the country they fuck it up.
>>109715778that is not true. even though i am white, openai, anthropic, and xai are staffed mostly by chinese people and a few indians. there are almost no white people in engineering positions there.by the way, the first author of the transformer paper was an indian guy. deal with it and move on. unfortunately white people are irrelevant in the ai race. take any "white" country in the eu or russia, and you will barely see any development of their own ai models there.
>>109715537timmies are lazy pieces of shit who think they should get free stuff just for being white american while doing nothingso it is china and india carrying ai and bringing the data to china too because we can and timmy wont do shit
>>109715731You can build a NPP capable of 10GW but realistically can only put to the grid 1GWCalifornia has windfarms capable of outputting insane amounts but isn't ever going to reach itIndia was forecasted to be a superpower by this time and welp, still waiting. >>109715787It also comes down to base load, reliability, if it's able to produce throughout the year etc. Trump could say "turn back on all those coal plans we turned off in the last decade" and that would have a forecast of 10's of gigawatts overnight, doesn't mean it's sustainable or viable.
>>109715537first of all, you're a jeet.if you were a yank goy, you would have known not to ask.
>>109715777>muh wind>muh solar>muh hydroSo what you're assuming 100% output with all of them at all times, yeah sure 100GW is easy. Now route that power safely and reliably to where you need it, that's what I want to really see. This is similar to saying the US could solve 100% of it's power needs if we just turned NV's desert into a huge solar panel and power liquid salt reactors to power it overnight. However, when you account for the actual costs and physical limitations of electricity you realize it's not possible. A new reporter is going to see "well 100GW needed on this side, and China says it can produce 100GW so easy just werks". lol no.
why do the data centers need to be built in cities? is there no available land in the US? they should build in australia where the country's basically 99% undeveloped
>>109715817> trvkeWest has fallen, deal with it
>>109715879Because you need infrastructure to deliver the power and more importantly ability to maintain it. People have fought for building them in deserts but Karens online go MUH WATER(despite golf courses needing more).Also you don't want to build in Aussie land due to temperature's in the summer, same reason Arizona isn't exploding as the only place datacenters look to because it is counter productive half the year in electric costs and risks of overheaitng.
>>109715866>"well it's just peak capacity not average" etcWhat's the point of these arguments when no matter how you slice it China is demolishing the US (and the rest of the West) in building infrastructure? Or is it just that dismissing their success is easier than addressing our failures.>so easy just werksI don't think anyone would claim it's easy, but I imagine it is easier when you have the world's largest industrial base.
>>109715920>What's the point of these arguments when no matter how you slice it China is demolishing the US (and the rest of the West) in building infrastructure? You mean just how the Soviets were? Then you look at it and realize everything is smoke and mirrors propped up because they spent the same amount on propaganda? Yeah sure. Not saying China isn't making progress, they are, however the thing yet to be shown is ability to reliably maintain those claims, fulfill said claims, and produce said claims at a cost effective output.Xi can literally say "well that's our GDP now" and it gets moved from one graph to another, just like "China explodes and destroys USA in available housing!" note: housing only available from previously occupied Uyghur homes they just let others have it free :)Meanwhile the transparency in the US allows everyone to scrutinize it with a microscope if they so wish> I imagine it is easier when you have the world's largest industrial base.Again the USA could do it in a year, maybe 2 if we eliminated the EPA, used criminal and "state advisories" to supply labor to clear land set up basic infrastructure, a seemingly blank check where devaluing your currency is GOOD, and have the Army core of engineers go haywire. Wow look every city has a billion gigawatts! Environmental impact? Reliability? Sustainability? Bah look a big number!There is a lot that goes into this that requires accountability than claims.
>>109715537china has less of these, sucking out money on every step of supply chain
>>109715537>Data center right across my neighborhood>Electricity bill slowly going up>You must enjoy being backwards and poor if you don't like waking up to an eyesore every morning>We need 6 gorillion more data centers to beat china bro>You won't even need a job in 10 years since we'll have UBI by then>Don't even think about building one near my propertyI just want a meteor at this point.
>>109715537They distill frontier models instead of their own training from scratch
>>109715537America has a problem with anti-data center attitudes and misinformation, resentment against the wealthy productive class, Chinese propaganda infiltration and snailcat luddite transgenders.
>>109715537They are distilling frontier US models and getting nearly the same capabilities and performance for a fraction of the cost. Imagine pharmaceutical company spending lot of time and money to patent a drug and smaller companies just manufacturing the same thing based on the patent details by finding loopholes
>>109715558US has lot of money to spend for investments, it is willing to make 99 bad bets if just 1 actually hits the moon
