In hindsight dropping 32bit support on macs was a terrible idea. It rendered a large amount of games unplayable and discourage developers from releasing new games on macs.Back in 2015 there was way more games with native mac ports then there is today. Theres no difference between a macbook and an ipad now
>>109717547not really. Apple telling their dev cattle to maintain their software or to fuck off is probably one of the greatest strengths in their platform.Look at Windows for the polar opposite. Compat shims everywhere, baroque APIs that are so "low level" they satisfy almost no one and M$'s own .NET team can't use them correctly (biggest lel desu), 10 different ways to do anything, 5 new UI frameworks and well, the whole .NET v. Win32 schism.I hate Apple, I hate fagOS and iOS, but taking a nuke to legacy shit code is correct and based.
>>109717562Backwards compatibility is important. Apple punished there customers for buying 32bit software because they were too lazy to support it
>>109717547To be fair, most of the industry has done this sort of thing for a long, long time. There have been precisely three PC operating systems in the entirety of history that have put a non-zero amount of effort into maintaining backward compatibility: DOS, Windows and OS/2.The fact that all three were written by Microsoft just reinforces this fact.
>>109717562>maintain their software or to fuck ofthis implies software can not be complete and that is wrong. a piece of software can be finished. it can do what it is designed to do, nothing more, and not need maintenance.selling people on the delusion that software is a never ending treadmill is a scam to push people into the never ending spending of money
>>109717547Apple doesn't want gamers. They make enough money without them.Macs are not designed for sustained heavy loads and they don't support powerful graphics cards anymore.Gaming is complicated, wears the hardware faster and leads to extra support.Also this >>109717562
>>109717597>support*support requests
I forsee apple killing off the macbook line because an ipad can do everything a macbook can do and then killing off the mac mini because who buys that
>>109717631I bought a Mini (two actually - the first one was an Intel) simply so I could port my software to something that had more than typical error bars of market share.
>>109717586>Backwards compatibility is importantno. it really fucking isn't.again: Windows, the Web, etc.a lot of shit code that can never be fixed or replaced.maintain your shit or fuck off and die.
>>109717547It doesn't matter if your software runs on your new Mac. These things are for posturing, not getting work done.
>>109717547This is why I intend to back port my mod 2015 to Mojave. It was the last version that supported 32but, and I have a perpetual license for Adobe CS6. It can also run boot camp too so I intend to put either 10 LTSC, 7 or XP onto it.
>>109717735>maintain your shit or fuck off and die.maintain what? I bought a product in 2013 and it no longer works. it could still work perfectly with little cost to apple. why is that acceptable to you?
>>109717594>this implies software can not be completecorrect, because that's simply not true. hardware changes, costumer demands change with the evolving ecosystem.We have shit C code at work written in the 80s that was perfectly usable in the isolated, batch job work it was given. Now we have real-time, always available, demands of it and guess what? the code was unmaintained shit full of system breaking bugs hidden by basic use.even going simpler, let's say something really simple like /usr/bin/cat, I/O subsystems are literally evolving in real time on Linux and even WINDOWS. the day of blocking read, moving into userspace memory and blocking write are coming to a close.kys.
>>109717735It is and its why windows won and continues to win. Telling companies you're going to throw a temper tantrum every 15 years and make the software they have unusable wont make people want to use your product
>>109717753>I bought a product in 2013 and it no longer worksI guess you gotta pay up, cuck. not my problem. maybe you can pay some trannies and furries to build a proper system emulator for your shit software (you won't because you're a piece of shit and goy).
>>109717562Why kill it when they could have it run in a sandbox. Ols software did nothing wrong.
>it just werks>until it doesn't lmao
>>109717656>picrelatedRealistically speaking, how much would tim Apple have made for every $1000 transaction?
>>109717761>It is and its why windows wonnot really. I'm literally booting into a "Web version" of some exclusively "desktop (windows)" software right now because Windows is done. No one wants to play the game anymore. Even ignoring this, a lot of shit software using stuff like ActiveX, OLE, IE9, are DoA.if your shitcode constructs and calls the COM object InterneteExplorer.Application, will it work? ya I guess. Will it be able to meaningfully render any modern fucking site, including Microsoft's own SharePoint product? lol, lmao, hahahahaha nigga.
>>109717764who's gonna make the sandbox? why hasn't M$ shimed InternetExplorer.Application to use Webview2 for software that literally will never be updated?it's over.
>>109717547You are literally retarded Look at apple stock they will completely rape microsoft, intel and x86 as whole.Their products are getting better.MacOS is getting better, and faster. (especially now when they remove x86 libraries after golden gate)>>109717597You are stupid and lie, you can play games on apple ARM chip if it has 20dgpu cores. (m5)Max has 32/40Ultra has 60/80 gpu coreshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YHZ1E6_xKw
>>109717755>this is what webniggers actually believe
>>109717809Macs are unusuable and actively hostile businesses which is Microsoft’s bread and butter.
>>109717820the web is full of garbage because of backwards compat too, retard kun.it just happens that Browsers are better OSes than Windows, thoughbeit.
>>109717826Negative IQ webjeet says what?
>>109717822Lmao delusional pakistani/indian/bangladeshi. You can keep your garbage.Bye bye.Microsoft had all the money in the world and they decided to ruin windows entirely and distribute their money to your shithole.Windows 11 is unusable compared to Tahoe.
>>109717809>just buy a $20000 Mac to play games at 50fps bro
>>109717753>I bought a part for my 2001 Civic>What do you mean it won't work on my 2024 Civic? Scam!
>>109717836Macs are a fashion accessory
>>109717841I've (been) bought software for my windows pc in 1995 that still works on my w10 pc in 2026 (haven't jumped to w11 yet, don't know what's going on with that)
>>109717833>get blown the fuck out>have to make up some strawman about web shittake your L like a man, boomer faggot. software is never "done."
>>109717871Poo in loo, not in thread.
>>109717839Retard M5 mini 18cpu cores/20 gpu cores costs $1899.Those games are running through translation layer not native.
>>109717876>still schizoing outI must have touched a nerve. go back into the server closet boom boom. no one wants to see your ugly face in the office.I can't fucking believe there are low IQ retards on /g/ who think software doesn't need to be maintained. holy shit. what level of boomer hubris leads someone to believe this? newsflash pal, change happens.
>>109717888Uh-oh, melty!
>>109717761Not sure why someone must "win". If extremely long term stability is important to you, then a Windows Server OS is a good choice. Mac users are long accustomed to having compatibility broken when the OS moves forward. They're fine with that. It's part of the culture around Apple and they're open about it. Not everyone needs to have the same executable running for three decades. For those that do, Windows Server is the standard choice. Linux is also a possibility if you're willing to understand that ecosystem and are able to evaluate all of the billions of options for your needs.Seems silly to insist on there being One OS to Rule Them All.
>>109717918>stability>wangblowsstopped reading there
>>109717920Windows is only as stable as your hardware.Unfortunately people run some dogshit hardware and proclaim how stable Linux is because they never look at dmesg.
>>109717989Comedy gold! Post again, numbnuts, you amuse me!
>>109717918>Windows Server OSnot really. you guys always think backwards compat also means forward compat then cry when you're "b-but still supported!" Windows Server 2019 has a broke ass TLS stack that fails to handshake to nearly any service that doesn't serve whatever key exchange RSA (not PFS) cipher you want.We're in a period where Windows objectively just does not work and these "legacy, always work" software gets constant updates and more modern libraries and shims because they realize this truth.>>109717920Uou can still start IE11 in Windows just fine and have all your faggy ActiveX trash full of CVEs, just fine. By the definition of Backward Compat retards, this counts as working.
>>109718022>Windows Server 2019 has a broke ass TLS stackGood job outing yourself there.It doesn't have a "TLS stack" at all. It has a certificate store - that's it.
>>109718022>Uou can still start IE11 in Windows just fine Nope.>and have all your faggy ActiveX trash full of CVEs, just fine. By the definition of Backward Compat retards, this counts as working.If IE11 did work, that would indeed be backward compat on windows' part. But it doesn't, so it doesn't.
>>109718036You're so funny! like a village idiot kind of jester!
>>109718044>Nope.# PowerShell 5.1New-Object -ComObject InternetExplorer.Application -Property @{Navigate="about:blank"; Visible=1}get fucked.
# PowerShell 5.1New-Object -ComObject InternetExplorer.Application -Property @{Navigate="about:blank"; Visible=1}
>>109718055Retarded or pretending?
>>109718060are you? it still works just fine. bugs and security gaping holes and all. retard.
>>109718071It literally can't even do a google search, cretin
>>109718051>>109718060>get caught being a larping retard>start calling everyone else a retardDon't ever change, /g/.
>>109718077and? it's backwards compatible, not forwards compatible. thus it still "works."sucks to suck I guess.
>>109718079If everywhere you go stinks, start checking your shoe.
>>109718081>literally doesn't work>that means it worksAre you having a stroke?
>>109718036....what?!I.... just.I give up. educate yourself dipshit. Yes, you can bring your own OpenSSL, BoringSSL, aws-lc, but Windows most certainly has a TLS Stack built in. Even curl.exe that ships with windows is set up to use Schannel.
>>109717588AIX and Solaris say hi.
>>109718093>>109718079
>>109718115>idk what I'm talking aboutya, I can tell. stop embarrassing yourself.ironic that I think even msedge.exe uses boringssl instead.
>>109718115>1+1 = 3!>haha look at this retard>omg u mad cuz u don't no matt>everyone who laughs at me is the same person
>>109718107Neither of which were PC operating systems for the vast majority of their lives - and absolute weren't at any point they were relevant.Feel free to try again, thoverbeit.
>>109717861I'll trade you a magic trick for a vase.
>>109718121>>109718124I've completely bootlooped this LARPing underage. Final (You), and read >>109718079 until you understand it.
>>109717918cool tower picture
>>109718144trolling is against the rules anon. you were proven wrong and now self-admitted you are trolling.make a point or take your L.
>>109718144>doesn't even know how 4chan worksOuting yourself again, redditard
>playing video games over the age of 17
>buy game in 2016>fast forward to 2019 and apple says you can no longer play the game you bought 3 years>apple users celebrate this decision
>>109717547not /v/ but since you mentioned gamesYou can't even play TF2 on a mac anymore. it's pathetic. Glad I'm still on my intel macbook. I bitched about Apple price gouging to upgrade to 16gb DDR3 but man was it worth it.
>>109718341valve spent a lot of time porting all there source games to mac os and then apple said fuck you make them 64bit and valve havent bothered porting any games to mac since then
>>109718276>>109718341If your games were as good as you believe you wouldn't be here talking about it, you would be playing it.Valve can't even make good games anymore, literally deadlock, wtf is wrong with that game?Literally dogshit, I'd rather talk to fentanyl addicts, alcoholics on the street ... much more fun?
>>109717547Mac is dead for games now. Dropping Vulkan was the last nail, and now they are even dropping Rosetta.Along with many older games no longer working, most devs refuse to update them to mac.No Dwarf Fortress, he says Mac is no longer worth it, any sequels to games previously on mac, now no mac.Dropping legacy shit only makes sense if you already have a large user base for the new shit. But they did not, so now gaming devs are gone, and Steam on Mac is bordering on maintenance mode.
>>109718477>le hecking dwarf fortressRimworld has native ARM build.
>>109718524>rimjob worldNot everyone is gay like you.
>>109718534actually you are the sodomite tranny freak here for even thinking about that, kys tard.
>>109718615Uh-oh, faggy melty!
>>109717547do wow64 prefixes not work properly on a mac?
