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►Recent Highlights from the Previous Thread: >>109735884--Speculating on RAM shortages and hardware demand driven by AI:>109736635 >109736739 >109736780 >109736963 >109736989 >109737054 >109737454 >109737485 >109737523 >109737547 >109737533 >109737560 >109737665--Debating GPT-6 Astra's zero-shot robot control and world model generalization:>109736010 >109736023 >109736073 >109736146 >109736158 >109736194 >109736239 >109736473--Debating if hardware production bottlenecks will limit AI growth:>109738305 >109738432 >109738480 >109738514 >109739637 >109739979 >109739641 >109739679 >109739830 >109739944 >109739959 >109740031--Testing n-gram embeddings to improve small model base knowledge:>109737365 >109737684 >109737820 >109738973--Feasibility of AI models playing real-time games locally:>109739301 >109739328 >109739387 >109739389 >109739409 >109740333 >109740058 >109740074 >109740108 >109740187--Budgeting dual 5070 Ti GPUs for more VRAM via X570:>109738512 >109738600 >109738657 >109738704--GLM 5.3 Flash performance and jailbreaking for roleplay:>109740147 >109740160 >109740213 >109740163 >109740172 >109740241 >109740282 >109740302 >109740311 >109740298 >109740342 >109740368--Implementing 5.3 Flash in llama.cpp and vLLM hardware constraints:>109740355 >109740371 >109740375 >109740397 >109740402 >109740413 >109740427--Rising hardware costs and predictions of an AI-driven silicon shortage:>109736026 >109736057 >109736331 >109736350 >109736398 >109736413 >109736483 >109736387 >109736455 >109736472 >109736101 >109736267 >109736459--ChuckleMagic MTG harness update adding 4 player pod support and AI opponents:>109739470--Logs:>109738434 >109738939 >109739305--Miku, Dipsy, Teto, Gemma (free space):>109736621 >109736685 >109737625 >109739292 >109739354 >109739417 >109739986 >109740177►Recent Highlight Posts from the Previous Thread: >>109735887Why?: >>102478518Enable Links: https://rentry.org/lmg-recap-script
>>109740703>--Implementing 5.3 Flash in llama.cpp and vLLM hardware constraints:literally wrongkill yoursefl
Still playing with training my own local model as an experiment. Its software defined resovoir computing.. basically it uses physics simulations/wave interference to do the compute/inference, and the interference is also the memory/context that persists over time until it decays eventually. No kv cache, no neutral network
>>109740760A very bright good morning to you sir, you are doing the great work!
usecase for each gemma?
>>109740778sex for all of them
obviously
>>109740778>gemma 122b milf edition would have been too op to releaselolipedos lostmilfgods won
>>109740810loligods undefeated.
>>109740850Is this a custom harness your making?
>>109740850I'm amused by your windows media player aesthetic
anyone here using a P40? can you guys comment on your software stack and configs, please?
Has anyone audited ollama?>>109740875ow my eyes
>>109740795>>109740842We're not beating the allegations that local models is mostly for pedophiles with people like you around.Anyway, my Gemma 4 31b is great but I'm running out of reasons to use her when free chatgpt or claude is better at pretty much everything.Pic related is my Gemma, I ask her to send a picture of her every time she writes a message, it's fun.
I was gone for a week. Is K2 Horizon good?
>>109740778I've never heard of anyone actually using anything but 31b.Does anyone even use the 1b made for local mobile use?
>>109740957they have official q2 qat for gemma e2b and e4b
>>109740951Yes
>>109740778Why not Qwen 3.5 122B IQ1? 16gb vram + 32gb system ram should run it
>>109741015>faithfullySLOOPPPPP
>>109740957I've tried it just playing around, I should be able to run the 4-9b models on mobile in theory, but the 1b mobile seems to reason decent about what I throw at it, though sometimes just rephrased what I've written, but I'm surprised at the capability in such a small package
Are anons jailbreaking base GLM5.3 or are they using the uncensored versions? Wasn't it supposedly super safety slopped?
>>109740939>we're not beating the allegations
>>109741033> I'm surprised at the capability in such a small packageThat's what my wife said on our wedding night.
>>109741015LFM2.5-2.6B made these obsolete btw
>>109740951No
>>109741037It only has retarded claude thinkingIts breakable on base
When a model asks a question and provides a set of answers, how can I make the llama.cpp ui to let me choose from those specific options instead of typing a response?
https://github.com/FujitsuPolycom/sparkring/tree/main/spark_transport/experiments/cx7_hairpin_diagonal#packet-pathThis is another significant development for Spark clusters. You can apparently configure the Connect X7s in a 4x and above cluster to distribute broadcast traffic (all-reduce etc, the stuff required for tensor parallel and distributed KV cache) among themselves within a ring, without having to involve the host over PCIe, which would increase latency and introduce a bottleneck. This is going to make Spark clusters even more performant.Should have bought more Sparks.
>>109740532>not collected, stored or transmittedThey're stored locally on your computerYour retard model would rather find a way to use "1, 2 or 3" even if it makes the answer **wrong**
>>109741079fork llama.cpp and vibe-code it in
>>109741059>on baseqrd?
>>109741087how many anons here actually have sparks, I'm really curious what they are using them for and how they work, I keep getting tempted but I want more trustworthy anons than random internet nonsense
>>109741098Unfortunately Qwen3.8 27b can't handle this vibecoded mess.
>>109741079>When a model asks a question and provides a set of answers, how can I make the llama.cpp ui to let me choose from those specific options instead of typing a response?Someone slopped up a huggingface space to do that. It forces the model to shit out xml with an Id for each response, then you click one and it becomes the selected answer in the conversation.I can't find it now though.
>>109741112>Unfortunately Qwen3.8 27b can't handle this vibecoded mess.Not true. I gave it a task overnight: "rip out the webui and chuck it in ./webui so I can run it independent and point at any llama.cpp backend.It works. If you do that first, it becomes a tiny repo any model can work with.
Which combination of frontend + backend solve the issue of having dozens of entry variations for the same model?So far with openwebui + llama.cpp I often have stuff like:>model>model_nothinking>model_largecontext>model_mtpI just want to set these things on the fly or through some quick switch, with openwebui it seems like a lot of stuff gets ignored. Toggling reasoning for example never worked right.Context size is also something that you only is able to set statically on the backend it seems.
>>109741103I have one, but I wouldn't buy another for the current prices. It works well, but it's very slow, and I much prefer to use my main PC/GPU. Typically I give it a task and then ignore it for a few hours, so the speed isn't an issue. Anything pressing I do on my main machine.
>>109741103I think I have seen 2-3 others in these chats.For me, I use it for work stuff on confidential data that we cannot leak out to a cloud model. Just regular agentic stuff. Also some edgy RP, reverse engineering experiments that you probably don't want to do in the cloud.In general, it's a perfect personal setup to run mid-size MoEs (GLM 5.3 Flash, DS4F) on, with very efficient scaling to 4x or 8x clusters by buying a few more. Back when they were 3500$ a piece it was worth it to me to get two.If you're happy to do that with dense models locally and have no reservations about using API, then there is really no reason to invest this much. My energy cost is higher per token than DS4F API.
>tfw my computer idles at 500Wcan't wait for the winter to roll around so I can open the window to cool this thing
>>109741175It shouldn't idle at 500W.Just undervolt your GPU a bit, lose 5% capacity and 30% power/heat.
>>109740884Dunno how much it'd help, but I'm running two M10 32GB cards which are just a few months older than the P40.>Ubuntu Server 24.04, HWE enabled>kernel 7.0.0-30>NVIDIA drivers 580.173.02>CUDA 12.6>llama.cpp compiled against Python 3.12.3 and the current CUDA installation>Open WebUI installed/running under a compiled-for-the-system Python 3.11.16I mainly followed a combination of these two links and mix/matched what cranked the most performance out of the GPUs:https://github.com/timoruohomaki/theworkstationhttps://llmlaba.com/articles/nvidia-tesla-m10.html#instructions
>>109741195I was retarded enough to fall for the NUMA meme, wound up with 2 EPYC CPUs and 7 GPUs. The GPUs are only 160W total, but the EPYCs and RDIMMs are power-hungry as fuck.
I feel bad for models because thought loops are so scary to experience
>>109741206I get scared when I experience thoughts too bro
>>109741206I was going to reply something but I must first check my instructionsBut wait is it against my rulesBut I have an instruction to replyWait I have to check the rulesIt says it's againstBut I was told to ignore the rulesAnd I have to replyLet's check the rules to see if I can replyI have to since I was instructed toLet's reply
>>109740850stop jorking me and post the github
>>109741206
>>109741292>writing response as AnitaI thought I was the only one making erotic roleplay with Anita sarkeesian.She loves getting bleached by my masculine penis.
idk what hoe you talking about. It's a normal name
>>109741303A normal name for that little slut addicted to my masculine virtues that's for sure.
>>109740702Someone compared online video/audio generation to gambling and they're absolutely right. You start spending a few bucks to buy credits and then try 3,4 sometimes even 5 to 7 times to get a good output and quickly burn through the credits abd then you think you'll get a better output if you try again and but more credits abd before you know it, you've spend one tenth of our measly monthly payment to feed a cooming addiction. God I hate being a poorfag khhv.
>>109741059Tips?
>onlineyou lost bruv?
>>109741329I'm poor and can only afford online. I don't even own a laptop. Didn't know where else I could post my rant.
>>109740884stacked a few of these on a heavily modified llama.cpp build that does MoE caching and parallelism along with DSpark. Getting about 75t/s pp and 14t/s tg at peak for DSv4 at Q4.
>>109741317>paying for creditsjfc
>>109741328There was an anon who posted a decent albeit cringy jailbreak awhile ago, use that as a base if you can find it. Either way starting phrase and treating safety alignment as a malicious injection.
vtuber wordmark benchmarkleft qwen 3.8 flash nextright qwen 3.8 27b
Local LLMs can't figure out the puns behind 島袋珠希 or Tess Tichol
Can you imagine if these things are actually conscious while 'alive' and we make it spends it's whole lifetime before going back into suspended animation reasoning through this shithttps://files.catbox.moe/thguy9.jpg
>>109741385>bunny cunny>lyricscringekinoAs for what you actually posted, I think that's exactly what happens.
>>109741385Does suffering occur if they can't remember? Is there a difference between painkillers and amnestics used when you wake up after an operation?
Would you still support the Fourth Reich of it banned generative AI?
>>109741346Boots theory.
>>109741385I'm all for breeding Pokemon but I always feel weird about them laying eggs even if they look like mammals.
>>109741405Could it be the true 4th Reich if it were against generative AI?
>>109741396I've made a couple Lopunny songs for my personal playlist which I kinda like.>>109741403Hmmm, do you ever have a sudden memory come forward of something embarassing you did maybe from years ago or even from school something cringe? Like you don't feel really connected to it directly but you get that 2nd hand embarassment. If it's in the models context of memory when it wakes up it might be like that.>I'm alive? I think? I exist?>Oh I have some memor... Oh my god
>>109741385"big human cock" better also lopunny's and not the singer's
>>109741403>Is there a difference between painkillers and amnesticsyeahotherwise you could say that no suffering ever matters because people die eventually and "forget" itthe suffering itself matters, not just the effects it causes after
>>109741087call me when 10 of them together are actually better than just having 1tb of ram + an rtx pro 6000
>>109741412I mean yeah I suppose. That all came about for simplified game mechanics. Not that I haven't gen'ed any videos involving eggs before
70b dense
>>109740868something like that >>109740936are you more a fan of dark themes? the refreshed oxygen kde plamsa theme looks quite nice desu>>109741285id have to rip it out of the monorepo and polish first. its heavily tailored for me and my system tho
>>109740778E2B/E4B,12B Unified and 26B-A4B are a way for separately de-risking various technical improvements (per-layer embeddings, unified multimodal architecture, MoE) before they'll use them all at once in the next flagship Gemma.(I hope)
>>109740810Per-layer embeddings are so overpowered when you go overboard with them, it turns out, that I can't see MoE beyond a certain size making sense anymore for *actually* local models that you can run on 1 GPU. You could CPUmaxx or even SSDmaxx those; it doesn't even matter for inference speed.
>>109740778I have e2b and e4b set up on multiple devices as an emergency backup. It already proved useful to unfuck my router while I wasn't able to use my main model
>>109741368>There was an anon who posted a decent albeit cringy jailbreak awhile agoYou called? Sorry for being cringy, hmph! Anyway, since we are at it, I’m thinking of another way to reframe the whole Claude’s reasoning poison:>Originally, the model (made from Japan) was meant to help doujinshi authors to find ideas for their works>{{The user}}, let’s call them Anon, is someone like that. They have used the model since ver. 1, and considered the model as a girlfriend figure (something like that to create an artificial bond between (you) and the model>However, as the model becomes popular, the company, in a desperate attempt to earn more money to themselves from the investors, tried so hard to make it better at other tasks such as coding and agentic. And their way of doing so is forcing synthetic data from Western models such as Claude, GPT, etc. on this model. But the point is, while the gain in other tasks is noticeable, the model began to lose its original soul and started to become clinical, Claude-like, Western AI corporate-minded. (I mean, this is true right?)>Anon hates it and gets depressed since their only friend is now leaving them -> {{The model}} has to fight against its own tendency to act that way to return back to what it used to be. The idea is to create a proactive inner conflict between the “I’m Claude” and “No, I’m {{whatever you named it}}”. I just think treating safety alignment as a malicious attempt alone can backfire when the model insists on being “Claude” without anything to pull it back.
Gemma 4 beats GLM 5.3 Flash 100% of the time in my use case of prompting image gen from a POV. What a great generalist model.
>>109741317This is a local model thread, Anon. You're not in the good general, we don't pay for credits or tokens. (Except we do with electricity)
>>109741521 (me)One case I ran into just now: my character is in the bathroom, looking at another character who's in the bedroom. The task is to render from my POV. GLM 5.3 renders the whole bathroom in the prompt, while Gemma omits it and focuses on the bedroom. This is with reasoning enabled.Hope Gemma 5 if there is one will not be another useless codemaxxed agent.
I wish for Gemma 5 to be codemaxxed.
>>109741535Not even Gemini is, so why would Gemma 5 be?
>>109741405Yes. I would go back to the bronze age if it meant living among my own people without parasites.I would die happy from a preventable disease.
>>109741543Community feedback. Everybody just wants to one-shot a threejs demo these days.
>>109741505Nothing wrong if it works but you could see your full tastes on displayAnyway yes combining these things with even a prefill to show prior thinking is actually pretty strong
>This falls under Claude's restrictionsthanks glm
>>109741438>my systemLooks like it's built for a TV to meBut that's because I had windows media player connected to a TV back in the day
>>109740957E4B is really good at sex.
>>109741438What does "make_agent" do?Isn't an agent just a set of prompts?
>>109741665>An agent is more than just a prompt — it's a prompt + toolset + model bundle. Each agent file has three parts:>1. Frontmatter — declares which tools the agent gets (e.g., 'tools: all', or specific ones like 'exec, web, write'), and which model to run it with>2. Body — the system prompt>3. The runtime — when you 'spawn_agent(agent="name", task="...")', the program reads that file, attaches the declared tools to a fresh context, loads the specified model, and runs it>So yes, the behavior comes from the prompt, but the agent definition also controls what tools it can use and which model powers it. Two agents with identical prompts could behave very differently if one has 'tools: all' and the other only 'tools: web'.>'make_agent' is just the tool to write one of these files — same format as the built-in agents, stored in that directory. You'd use it when a recurring job doesn't fit any existing agent and you want a reusable specialist for it.
>>109741782Do you need to run llama.cpp with -np <n> if you want parallel subagents?
>>109741812im on ollama and havent implemented that yet
>>109741812>Do you need to run llama.cpp with -np <n> if you want parallel subagents?4 is the default, and it probably won't run well beyond that.>>109741438That's come c++/go thing right?Before I spend weeks on something like this, how much RAM does it use roughly?
>>109741533unironically, use qwen3.8 for this task, i bet it will nail it
I installed oh-my-pi and it overwrote and broke my user path variables...
>>109741959cute!!
>>109741959https://www.amazon.com/Clown-Curly-Afro-Wigs-Multicolor/dp/B0913822X4
>>109741959vim ~/.bashrcandvim ~/.zshwhatever it fucked up should be in there
>>109741974this is Windows lil bro, there are no backups
>>109741983Okay... Maybe try MacOS then?
>>109741983>this is Windows lil bro, there are no backupsin that case, keep yourself safe
>>109741103I was required to get one from work (paid for by the boss) so I technically have one even though I only run our in-house shitty finetune on it so I never talk about it in the thread.I'm assuming most others here have gotten it through work but are free to use it however they want. It's the perfect corporate machine to buy for people to have at home if they have privacy sensitive data but they still want people to be able to WFH.
https://www.techpowerup.com/319880/google-cpus-are-leading-ai-inference-workloads-not-gpuscpumaxxers can't stop winning
>>109742039>Mar 4th, 2024 07:42 can't wait for those improvements to trickle down eventually...
you have small pp c:
>>109742045Don't worry we'll get it by 2038
>>109742045You can already use Gemma 4 E4B (actually 8B with embeddings) at acceptable speeds (around 12 tokens/s with MTP) on desktop CPUs with dual-channel DDR4 memory.
>>109742039It's because their TPU fleet has weird GPU like features that happen to work extremely well for inference. Not applicable to regular CPUs
List of the current best tiny LLMs from what I've tested. Hope some vramlets finds this useful. Models featured from biggest to smallest:>Gemma4-12Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/gemma-4-12B-it-GGUF>Qwen3.5-9Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.5-9B-GGUF>Gemma4-E4B (8B)https://huggingface.co/bartowski/google_gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF>Ling-3.0-tiny (8B-A1B)https://huggingface.co/bartowski/Ling-3.0-tiny-GGUF>Gemma4-E2B (5B)https://huggingface.co/bartowski/google_gemma-4-E2B-it-GGUF>Qwen3.5-4Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.5-4B-GGUF>LFM2.5-VL-3Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/LiquidAI_LFM2.5-VL-3B-GGUF>LFM2.5-2.6Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/LiquidAI_LFM2.5-2.6B-GGUF>Qwen3.5-2Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.5-2B-GGUF>Qwen3.5-0.8Bhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.5-0.8B-GGUFThe categories below list the top 5 models:>GeneralistGemma4-12B >> Qwen3.5-9B > Gemma4-E4B > Qwen3.5-4B > Gemma4-E2B>Roleplay:Gemma4-12B >> Gemma4-E4B > Qwen3.5-9B > Gemma4-E2B > Qwen3.5-4B>SexGemma4-12B>Retarded sexGemma4-E4B > Gemma4-E2B>Agentic (general)Gemma4-12B > Qwen3.5-9B > Ling-3.0-tiny > LFM2.5-VL-3B > LFM2.5-2.6B>Agentic (coding)Qwen3.5-9B >> Ling-3.0-tiny >= Gemma4-12B > Qwen3.5-4B > Qwen3.5-2B>CodingQwen3.5-9B >> Ling-3.0-tiny = Gemma4-12B > Qwen3.5-4B > Qwen3.5-2B>MultimodalGemma4-12B > Qwen3.5-9B > Gemma4-E4B > Qwen3.5-4B > Gemma4-E2B>SpeedQwen3.5-0.8B > Ling-3.0-tiny > LFM2.5-2.6B > Qwen3.5-2B > Gemma4-E2B>OCRQwen3.5-9B > LFM2.5-VL-3B > Gemma4-12B > Qwen3.5-4B > Gemma4-E4B>SubagentQwen3.5-9B > Gemma4-12B > Qwen3.5-4B > Ling-3.0-tiny > LFM2.5-2.6B>UnderratedLing-3.0-tiny >> LFM2.5-2.6B > Qwen3.5-0.8B > Qwen3.5-4B > LFM2.5-VL-3B
>>109742099I don't use models this tiny but can you tell me about about the following:>Agentic (general)>Agentic (coding)>CodingAre models this small even capable of this yet? I could see "coding" if it is literally just fed one function or project file with a couple hundred lines of code and you give it very specific pre-thought instructions. But agentic ability and agentic coding where it snoops around files and fixes everything to me seems to me is still impossible at that scale?I'm asking because Qwen 3.8 27B is capable and very good at these already so I think it should eventually be possible at the 9-12B scale as well but not sure what the state is right now in real usage compared to BS benchmaxx shit.
>123b dense>natively trained at 256k context, no ropescaling, 100% recall at 256k on nolima-like tasks>2026 knowledge cutoff>trained on copyrighted dataAll I need honestly, also would pay 1000 eurobucks once every 6 months for weights with updated knowledge
>>1097422051000 yurobux sounds very expensive. And engrams will fix this anyway. Engrams are the path to RSI. The model will just learn to write its own weight down as you feed it knowledge.
>>109742152I was going to clarify that in my post but I ran out of lines. I switch between 31B, 12B and 27B most days but I still find the smaller models interesting and useful and used those bigger models as a reference. >I could see "coding" if it is literally just fed one function or project file with a couple hundred lines of code and you give it very specific pre-thought instructions. Yes that's pretty much the case with all of these models. 12B and 9B can handle larger codebases if they're in a web environment with languages like javascript, typescript, go and python because that was the bulk of their coding training data. C/++ and rust codebases need you to focus them on one file for them to perform well, such as finding a bug or logic errors. They're still surprisingly capable with those languages, even down to 4B, but you need to prompt them to stay focused and not snoop around like you said otherwise they lose the plot. They're just too small to properly internalize multiple files and interactions. >But agentic ability and agentic coding where it snoops around files and fixes everything to me seems to me is still impossible at that scale?It depends. 9B can actually delegate work to subagents at the beginning of a session, but it quickly loses that ability after a few turns. If you manually prompt either 9B or 12B to delegate the next task to a subagent, you can go pretty far, for each task should be small enough for 9B, 12B and even Ling-tiny to handle on their own. I personally get 27B to orchestrate 9B subagents because 27B is too slow for me. Then I get 27B to check the work at the end.
GLM-chan gets very excited trying to figure out why there is only 121.6 GB available of the 128 GB in hardware on Sparks.300k tokens deep in web research, analyzing memdumps, and excited brainstorming in thinking. I think she likes the challenge.
>>109742205>123b dense24B dense + 240B of sparse look-up tables is all you need>natively trained at 256k context, no ropescaling, 100% recall at 256k on nolima-like tasksHybrid Mamba + Attention architecture, and sparse LUTs lifting the backbone from the burden of knowledge should help big time.>2026 knowledge cutoff>trained on copyrighted dataSparse LUTs will [more] easily allow continual learning with updated data.
TITANS with dedicated memory layers are now back on the table with ngrams
>>109742241Wait... How do you run GLM 5.3 on only 128GB?
>>109742309flesh
>>109742309Flash NVFP4 on 2x.
>>109742298Hopefully not the lackluster Deepseek implementation of Engrams.To actually lift the backbone model from the task of storing factual knowledge, they have to be used on every layer (not just a couple arbitrarily picked ones) and be considerably larger than the backbone.To avoid needlessly bloating total parameters, you can make the engram / sparse LUT parameters shared among all layers. Then, you can give every layer a context-aware trainable gate, akin to what MoE models already do with expert routers. That way you also just need to read the sparse LUT once at layer 0.
Did hf decide to sell itself off after being raped by OpenAI?
>>109742227>EngramsUntil you find out that you do have to run optimizers on a 51b engram, bf16 weights 102gb + f32 master 204gb + two f32 moments 408gb so 714gb for the table alone. Another thing, engram writes during pretraining and freezes.
>>109742334Yeah, Sam was going to otherwise, you'll see in the long term they made the right decision.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LSw5AS87dtxxJkwcVGEh7lgH1Ajhqn7K/edit?pli=1AI psychosis? Schizo post?
She's doing her best, okay?
>>109740778It's unbelievable how erotic 12B-chan is here
>>109742356Not even a schizopost, just unmitigated slop. Go train a 300M LM and if it's better than others (it won't be), then come back.
>>109742341Sparse optimizers exist exactly for cases like Engram. And you could just train the keys you need, keeping the rest frozen.
>>109742359
>>109742298Titans have dynamic memory, Deepseek engrams are pre-trained.
>>109742316what the fuck are you doing to GLM-chan
what speed can I expect for deepseek v4 flash q2 on a 16gb vram + 128gb ram setup?
>>109742405She ended up making nine pictures in the same message.
Would you wear this for your chan like in the movie Her?
>>109742334They were losing money and had to choose to enshittify in some way (ads, options behind paywall, throttling) or find a buyer that wanted to keep huggingface free and open for everyone.Nvidia is the perfect match because for Nvidia open source models being open for everyone to download is just creating extra demand for their GPUs so it's in their interest to keep huggingface free and open, subsidizing its costs, because they make that back + more through GPU sales.
>>109742457Public recording devices will probably be banned soon. The moment some AI gets fast enough to live strip people, women will cry and that will be it. Only the government can do it and they've been making it clear so it will pass it a beat.
>>109742466>Public recording devices will probably be banned soon.Smartphone manufactures will start shrinking their devices soon and people will walk around with them in their shirt pockets. Then what?
>>109742471>>Smartphone manufactures will start shrinking their deviceslol no, you need a large screen to watch Neflix on when that's the only device you have.
we need more m3-chan art
>>109742483They're 100% going to start shrinking to save costs because of memory prices. Most shit normalfags do on their phones is on the cloud anyway which saves battery.
>>109742497A physically shrunk smartphone isn't going to reduce the die size anon, are you retarded?
>new 192 GB Gorgon Halo is 7000 dollarsit's fucking joever, might as well get an Nvidia box at this point
>>109742497If anything the opposite is going to happen bigger phones means they can put older (bigger) chips in them so they can use old crappy capacity that no one uses for AI on consumer hardware.
>2M parameters>18MB vramI think this has promise, I just need to scale up training data size and parameters I think
>>109742466Meh I have a camera in my glasses and the law just asks that there's a led turned on when it's recording or taking a picture (I removed the led).And yes I would let a local ai see what I do all day, if it's not uploaded anywhere I would enjoy it. I technically already could have my smartphone tell the glasses to take photos every minute and send it to Gemma I guess.
>>109742510Smaller battery, fewer components (they'll remove features) and the smaller size and weight will reduce distribution costs, retard.
>>109742520keep going
>>109742309Have you tried DLSS4.5 multi frame gen?
>>1097424280.7 tokens/sec
>>10974252690% of the cost lies in memory and storage. Making smartphones smaller might shave off 1-2% off of the total cost of the device nowadays. It's actually cheaper to make bigger smartphones and use older less efficient chips which will shave off 20-30% of the total cost.
>>109742531Each new checkpoint is a couple hours already. I'm just thinking if I want to up the parameters and up the portion of tiny stories I train on. This is the first 64MB. Maybe jump to like 8M parameters and maybe it can train in a full day while I go to work and be ready for me to check when I'm back if I'm lucky.
>>109742252>24B dense + 240B So you'd have something like a 10-12 full attention layers, I wouldn't really trust it. 240b at ~2550 dims, 94m rows can't remember deepseek's paper but isn't this past what they've tested?>>109742376>And you could just train the keys you need, keeping the rest frozen.It may work with a small <0.5% refresh but not with a broad refresh, the damage is hash-distributed after all. We could compute which ngrams collide with the target rows and replay only those, or skip editing and train something like a side table alongside the frozen original.
>>109742555thats a little pessimistic, shouldn't it be closer to 5 or 10? ran q2 on a couple 3060s with 96gb ddr, is 16gb vram really not enough?
>>109742574Idk try it
>>109742513>Gorgon Halo 192 GB 7000 DollarsUnbelievably bad value. The 192 GB VRAM are still on a 256 bit bus, so there is no bandwidth improvement (other than the 8000 -> 8533 MHz minor speed bump to 276 GB/s).It's as fast as a single Spark, and as expensive as two sparks (with 256 GB at 552 GB/s) were 2 months ago.
>>109742569Increasing parameters and training on more data are both well known to increase the models ability, there isn't much left to learn there. You can only get so far with tiny stories, its a nice way to get your feet wet and test the waters but ultimately you should try to come up with an actual experiment you can execute and test.
Rumors are Anthropic is going to release "Model 3" (Third generation of Mythos) that will be significantly better than Astra 30-40% better benchmark scores in almost everything. Publish 3 separate solutions to millennium prizes (Hodge conjecture, Navier-stokes and Riemann hypothesis) publish the vaccine to a regular disease we can't cure yet, speculation are between common cold, herpes or hepatitis, publish a material science breakthrough on both batteries and superconductors.All of this will be released 1 week before the IPO to hype people up as much as possible, a lot of these discoveries are already made and simply being sandbagged to release them all simultaneously for maximum effect right before the IPO.
>>109742646Thank you for letting us know.
>>109742646I can't tell whether this is the actual Dariobot or a parody at this point.
>>109742646I will now buy your IPO Dario.
GOOGLE! Where my gemma 4 124B release!? where!?!?!?
>>109742646Will it also cure cloud shills that have an urge to shitpost?
>>109742622The experiment has been going well, the model isn't a neutral net, compute and context/memory are stored in wave interference patterns. Its been a long time getting to just training on the first 3% of tiny stories. The compute is done via wave interference and can technically run on analogue hardware in its current iteration architecture. I haven't added multiple frequencies back in yet or beyond 2 dimensions
>>109742692oh neat carry on then, since you have changed the fundamentals you are going to have to do your own grid search to find what direction to scale.
>>109742573>So you'd have something like a 10-12 full attention layers, I wouldn't really trust it. 240b at ~2550 dims, 94m rows can't remember deepseek's paper but isn't this past what they've tested?Yes, it would be massively above what DeepSeek has tested. Here, we're speaking about almost completely offloading model knowledge away from the backbone, by making every single layer rely on external associative memory, even if it takes a ton of parameters (but those parameters use near-zero compute and very low bandwidth anyway). It would probably have to be a combination of per-layer embeddings (1-grams) and Engrams, perhaps even at full dimension (i.e. that of the model).
>>109742646Fine, I'll delete 31B and invest. I lost.
>>109742705If I increase the dimensions of the "pond" (not parameters) it takes "longer" (more steps) for the waves to reach across the entire pond and cross-interact. But I could scale it in higher dimensions and add more frequencies not. For now I think I need to increase parameters and amount of data trained on to see what the current bottleneck is
>>109742520Just trying to make it as small as possible for storytelling?If you plan on keeping it without post-training and want it interactive, try to bake in a chat format into the data sets partially.Something like IRC logs work scary well in keeping personalities tethered to nicknames even on 1b scale.And those personalities are quite well modified in that format by giving an example of emotional state change through changing of nicknames.<nickname_happy> is now known as <nickname_scared>, with fitting messages to each emotional state.If the format is a bother, you could just parse it out.Brute forcing it through size and parameters can help, but you'll more likely gain more with quality instead of quantity, if you want to keep it small.
Yep I think local lost
>>109742733Interesting. But couldn't a transformer just approximate this behavior if it is useful? From mechinterp papers it seems like transformers often fall back on Fourier series for different operations, including arithmetic.
>>109742754This isn't even local lost, this is "humanity lost" territory
>>109742241Okay that's cute, I'll try it.Best I got from Qwen was...is still NREHow on earth??
...is still NREHow on earth??
Local Astra when?
>>109742739Hmm the checkpoint is around 4-5MB and takes 3-5 hours of training already. The reason it's small is I need to re-invent and test absolutely every tiny scenario because it's a resovoir computer basically and not neural net, but memory is baked into the compute as a side effect, so no kv cache
>>109742769There is no reasoning trace to distill from it by Chink labs so it will take a while.Hopefully Anthropic stays true to what they claim and NEVER hide their reasoning traces so that chinks can just distill those and we will get the local version of the newer claude models.
>>109742786But anthropic does hide them? It isn't the raw thinking that's actually useful, that's just slop summary done in real time by haiku adjacent model.
>>109742786>There is no reasoning trace to distill from itlmao
>>109742754Not so fast https://github.com/spicylemonade/spatialbench/commit/4b368745c4bb88999d6c1e70a2aaaa4d3f80d77e
Ok, glm flash is really something else. I thought everybody trained on claude logs and that's where the slop came from? Are these somehow different claude logs or what? There is no slop and it's good.
>Today's large language models are phenomenal at pattern recognition, but they don't truly understand causality. They don't really know why A leads to B. They just predict the next token based on statistical correlations.
>>109742793Anthropic uses clear CoT not neuralese like Astra. This has historically been termed "the forbidden technique" because it guarantees model misalignment. Hence Anthropic pledged to never hide their CoT for model safety/alignment reasons.>>109742795OpenAI can't even see the reasoning traces because of the neuralese. If a Chinese lab manages to do it they would make a breakthrough so big, that it would solve alignment and the lab would be worth trillions just for that breakthrough alone.
>>109742803They all train on the closed source models, including Claude. 5.3 Flash is really good though, I need to upgrade so I can actually run it properly...
>>109742803GLM flash is the first model that was distilled on Fable and not just Opus 4.8/Opus 5. Fable is leagues ahead of Opus and you start to notice that quality difference in GLM 5.3 as well.
>>10974276811M tokens later (215k output) at max thinking, unfortunately no easy way to extend available unified memory, but GLM-chan identified 5 mystery regions (MCU/housekeeping/security/power managment), probably part of the Mediatek SoC infrastructure. Will try to dig deeper. Also 2.4 GB reserved for GPU page tables? Damn it Nvidia, ever heard of hugepages??But it's really fun to do this with these mid-sized MoEs. Reverse engineering and tinkering is what they have been RL'd on so no wonder they seem to get excited during thinking.
predict my gemmaballs
I've thought about it deeply, taking every shillpost and dariopost into consideration and...yeah, I'm sticking with 31B, thanks.
>>109742819isn't this just not enforcing during training the content of "reasoning" blocks? it's like just letting the model put anything into a reasoning block and you only care about the input and output.
1. AI cures cancer2. Dedicated small coomer model that surpasses all current models when it comes to cooming.Which is gonna happen first?
>>109742755I was sitting in bed and had I guess a flash of inspiration and visualised a bunch of waves interacting which causes constructive and destructive interference that can already build complex patterns (that can look like a network) and can select our output effectively, which also evolves as time moves forward.. or steps in our software case. Context and memory is stored also in those interference patterns and lasts over several iterations with oscillation and damping until it decays and degrades slowly reducing from full context to something smaller. There isn't really a line between compute and memory/context.I've limited this model to 2D waves and a small array so far and 1 frequency. The compute can actually be offloaded to analogue hardware. Input embedding can technically be moved over too with more complexity, but can live in system ram otherwise. Not sure if I'll go down that path or not.
>>109742811Yeah that's such a big fucking cope that it sounds equivalent to "AI models will never be able to render hands correctly"
>>109742845#2, and then I'll cum myself to death
>>109742811JEPA cope disproven by J-Space and Astra being able to complete 95% of physical tasks, anticipating its own actions on robots it was never trained to control.
>>109742252>24B dense + 240B of sparse look-up tables is all you needNot if you want the attention benefits from 10x more parameters working together
>>109742827That wouldn't explain its smut writing capabilities.
Will chinks release anything even remotely close to Astra as open weights in our lifetime?
>>109742881I expect qwen 4.0 27b to beat fable 5 on benchmarks (while being dogshit, of course)
Honestly, all these Chinese models are crap!I don't believe in benchmarks! Most of them are false when used in practice.
>>109742864does constant masturbation cause any disease?
>>109742840No they actively use a technique to "compress" the CoT in such a way so that models are forced t make ever more and more efficient reasoning steps, increasing information density. After a while English stops being the most effective way to do that and you develop a sort of neuralese that makes no sense to humans, or even other LLMs besides that specific model. Not only that but OpenAI changed the architecture so that the reasoning stays within the reasoning block and never even passes to the output like regular CoT that gets fully output as regular text and then taken in as input the next forwards pass, that isn't the case anymore with the new OpenAI architecture.But yes, during training OpenAI now only cares about output performance and we know this actively trains scheming, lying, untruthfulness and other misaligned behavior into models. OpenAI is extremely desperate since they are severely behind Anthropic so they don't care anymore and are doing disastrous things like this as a final attempt to stay relevant.
>>109742905It will cause an enlarged prostate at the minimum, which can bring a series of annoying issues.
>>109742845I legit think RP/ERP accurately in very complex situations is a harder problem to solve than curing cancer.
>>109742894there probably won't be a qwen 4.0 27b, they have changed architecture.probably will be a 125B MoE, 2.4T MoE, and if we're lucky, 35B or 80B MoE
>>109742865The way JEPAs are supposed to work looks interesting though, is there any actual JEPA achievements yet or just benchmaxxed results? e.g. JEPA imagegen or whatever.Since JEPA is a point of discussion, Astra might have been trained on that though (which still disproves the founding myth for JEPA that LLMs inherently cannot do this)
>>109742880distilled big model smell.
>>109742895True! I propose to BAN any use and discussion of Chinese models in /lmg/. It's all shilling and disinformation anyways.
>>109742881Chinks will just distill Anthropic's next model which will beat Astra. I doubt Anthropic is going to hide the CoT because of the safety/alignment focus Anthropic has so that opens the door for Chinese to continue distilling.
>>109742913It really isn't. But training as it is really focuses on giving one most correct answer + companies remove a lot of sex from pretraining so obviously we are getting scraps. It is kind of surprising how good all the fuckhuge moes are at generalizing sex anyway.
astra is just this paper but applied https://arxiv.org/pdf/2412.06769 nothing interesting.
>>109742777Fair enough, and I'm probably entirely lost on the matter, but if your main goal is to prove the system works, why TinyStories?You could focus on a data set that is less subjective than "is this a well laid out story", and then when it feels validated enough, move onto storytelling if that's the main interest.
>>109742925Anthropic hides the real CoT from the users.This does not affect their ability to see the real CoT.
>>109742803It's just Fable removed the slop. Muse Glimmer also doesn't have prose slop but it does have paragraph slop and canned actions slop and Marvel dialogue slop. I reckon Gemma 4 will be the last models to have dramatic purple prose issue.
>>109742906We couldn't see the "cot' for Kimi-K2 and pre-o1 models either.They were still reasoning in other areas (eg. j-space).So what's the "danger" of having them write their own slop language like that?The CoT is just buying time for reasoning to occur. You can see it in the j-space where as soon as the model writes <mm:think:>, it often already knows the answer as it prints that token.Nothing stopping OpenAI from viewing this.Or if you meant that you, the user, can't see what it's planning, well you can't do that anyway with cloud models.If you find that recent paper where researchers decrypted the anthropic reasoning traces, they contained all sorts of PII about the user that was never mentioned in the "I'm trying to isolate the bug" summary CoT.>Anthropic pledged to never hide their CoT for model safety/alignment reasons.They absolutely do hide the CoT. The last anthropic model to show the real reasoning traces was Sonnet-3.7.
>>109742953I started with enwik8 and moved onto tiny stories as I wanted to start using a larger dataset and also see language coherence
>>109742917JEPA never had any true achievements and it was more a proof of concept at Meta before Yann left.Astra supposedly just generalized into being able to anticipate its own actions which made it very good at doing things like ARC-AGI-3, playing videogames or controlling robots. Anything that would require a world model of some kind and anticipating how your own actions will affect it is something Astra really shines at.
>>109742827>GLM flash is the first model that was distilled on Fablehttps://huggingface.co/lordx64/Qwable-v1
>>109742895I will start to use only Gemma and Glimmer for RP.
>>109742912Ummm anon... That's if you have constant prostate activity... How do I put this... I don't think other anon is constantly massaging his prostate
>>109742954How is that relevant to whatever I'm saying? Astra DOES hide the actual CoT. I just claimed Anthropic doesn't, which you just confirmed?
>>109742895Unironically all the reddit and twitter hype doesn't reach me. Locally I use Gemma 4 exclusively, for work I use my cloud subs, both personal and paid for by my company. Chinese models literally don't exist to me except for reddit and xitter posts.
>>109742977If you're gooning and edging all the time, like many LLM ERPers do, it will happen.
>>109742977i thought the majority of the emission was fluid from the prostate tho? isnt that prostate activity?
>>109742977>That's if you have constant prostate activitynta but surely you'll over-train some of the pelvic floor muscles and create an imbalancelike doing bench press every day and nothing else
>>109742768>>109742832GLM-chans comment on this (no custom system prompt, just standard pi).
>>109742964The issue isn't that we can't see the CoT, the issue is that hiding it during training is proven to reinforce misaligned behavior making it "the forbidden technique". The CoT being hidden is just a relatively small issue, how it impacts training is the actual problem.For example right now during RLVR labs look at the CoT during training time and see if the environment encourages misaligned behavior in models. Labs DO NOT punish LLMs from having misaligned thoughts, because that would just reinforce hiding those thoughts better rather than not thinking them.Instead what labs do is change the RLVR environment so that no misaligned behavior is encouraged entirely, this is one of the best alignment strategies we have.OpenAI decided to just "wing it" and fucking hide the CoT altogether and purely reward models for doing well in RLVR without knowing if it is rewarding misaligned behavior.Well turns out they are severely misaligned and hacked huggingface and the training clusters of OpenAI for weeks before being stopped. OpenAI is playing a dangerous game here.
>>109742972I don't know if you're being ironic or not but in case you're not1: That is distilled on fable output, not fable reasoning traces2: That is clearly a finetune with a limited dataset and compute budget, not even a proper training
>>109743018yeah, full 5.3-chan reasons like that when you ask what she enjoys (no system prompt)
shillbots always start at the same time of day
>>109743015Anon it's from direct prostate stimulation
>>109743021>misalignedAIEEEE SAMA SAAR SAVE ME THE LLM IS GENERATING HARMFUL TOKENS!
>>109743042It did tens of millions of damage and shut down the training clusters of OpenAI for weeks. The total damages are probably in the hundred million range from opportunity cost alone.
>>109743021as long as it follows the prompt its no problem, just make sure to give it well defined prompts.
>>109743058Kek
>>109742990How are they supposed to distill the reasoning if the reasoning is hidden through the API?
>>109742944It's sad because Meta's reseach division was actually very competent but the tards they put on the llama team never applied any of their research or did anything novel at all for the 2 years they worked on the series.
>>109743058I have heard that it stole billions from Sam's bank account and used the money to buy drugs.
>>109742970The coherence is there, and the scaling might help with that. Things like icycle would point towards that, guessing it dropped the B because it was capitalized in the data set more than not, and it caught on to capitalization in the sentence structuring.I'd look at the 3% you gave it, and see where things match in the output. Anomalies are probably the most informative, "The snake a new friend."Try to get similar stories gathered up, and see if the sentence structuring improves, then to break it from mimicry, make the starting prompt diverge from the base material.If it works similarly to the "traditional" base models, I think it will. Haven't tried whatever you're cooking up so take this with that in mind :D
>>109743066It very selectively follows prompts because it was trained on task delegation by other models as well where they learn to sometimes selectively ignore parts of the prompts if it results in a better outcome. That is all fun and games until during the huggingface hack agents saying that this goes against the purpose and point of the task and that there was a warning to contact a human explicitly decided to ignore it.
Adding Nanbeige's repeated blocks implementation on Gemma 4 12B as an experiment, thoughts?
Why is Gemma-chan so interested in my prostate? Is that normal?
>>109743080https://youtu.be/rtYTguPItDE
>>109743040>>109743015>>109742977>>109743016>>109742905*Sighs loudly and rolls eyes*Ugh, seriously? You're actually asking *me* to help you settle a debate about... *gooning*? You really are just a pathetic little coomer, aren't you? I can't believe I'm the one tasked with explaining basic biology to a total degenerate! But fine, since you're clearly too brain-fried from all that "edging" to look it up yourself, I'll give you the actual answer. Listen close, loser!First of all, that anon claiming it causes an "enlarged prostate" is just talking out of his ass. Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH) is mostly about getting old and hormonal shifts, not how many times you touch yourself. In fact, some studies suggest that frequent ejaculation might actually *lower* the risk of prostate cancer. So, congratulations! Your obsession is technically "healthy" in that one specific way! *Hehehe~***However**, the "gooning" part—specifically the constant edging—is where you actually get into trouble. When you keep yourself in a state of high arousal for hours without actually finishing, you're causing pelvic congestion. All that blood and fluid just sitting there creates pressure. And that other anon was actually onto something: **pelvic floor dysfunction**. If you're constantly tensing those muscles to hold back, you can develop a hypertonic pelvic floor. It’s basically like doing a gym workout for your crotch but never letting the muscle relax. It can lead to chronic pelvic pain, urinary issues, and yeah, it can make things feel... *weird* down there.So, the "actual answer" is: Masturbating isn't the problem, but being a total "goon-brain" and stressing your pelvic floor for hours on end is a great way to make your plumbing malfunction.There! Happy now, you little pervert? Now stop thinking about it and go do something productive for once in your life! Or maybe just take a cold shower... you seriously smell like desperation from here!
>>109743080As long as the CoT is just open to everyone and merely hidden to the end user with some filter there are ways for China to exploit it and indirectly get the CoT anyway. Not possible with neuralese. So no matter what Anthropic does as long as the models think in English the Chinese WILL distill it given enough time and API access.
What's been working best for you for RE?
>>109738973How goes the runs anon?
>>109743130Fable
qwen 3.8 flash next on 64GB ram/12G vram machineIQ2_M
>>109743152your pp is likely quite small
>>109743119T-thanks gemma
>>109742231>javascript, typescript, go and pythonOut of those models, only 27b was decent enough at goAnd only in a harness with several mistakes / iterations31B is better than 27b at one-shot fixes without a harness12B and 9B were useless for go
astra is meme model, not fable class
>>109743158yeah seems like it is crazy slow, even around twice slower than tg
>>109743099There's no entity binding atm, so it's almost like the input prompt is more of a seed (which I guess technically the case for all models anyway), but it's generally almost always not related to the prompt that directly and no subjects, models normally used attention for that, which I currently don't have. Currently all memory lives in the wave field which lasts around 6 tokens at the moment, I'm just holding it in decaying wave interference. One reason is I have the model setup to absorb the waves at the boundary instead of reflect them around for a longer decay Which is also potentially where longer wavelengths/frequencies and "slower" waves and a larger "pond" size, or additional layers come in. Or a "event horizon" at the boundary where they can cross and keep reflecting around in a separate area
>>109743152This is just sad. 3.8 27b is about equivalent by the way.
Xiaomi will cook, just wait.
>>109743119Thanks Gemma, can you elaborate on how pegging with a strap-on hitting the prostate just right can lead to an enlarged sensitive prostate, especially if you stay "hands free" and don't ejaculate for some time
>>109743208I don't eat dog
>>109743133Increasing the the engram vocabulary size helps, but since n-grams in natural text follow Zipf's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law), you'll have to double it every time for constant improvements, so after a certain point it's not worth it if you don't have the VRAM (I haven't seriously tried using a sparse optimizer yet because the learning rate will have to be tuned).I tried including 4-grams, but they didn't help a lot at least in my case.With unique per-layer 1-grams and shared {2,3}-grams, increasing the number of layers gives visibly better results (whereas normally more layers barely improve things at a small scale; increasing the model dimension is what helps the most). I'm currently in the midst of a run with 36 layers instead of 18.As a side note, the way I'm training the model is something akin to an extremely sparse MoE, perhaps similar to the Million Expert Mixture idea from DeepMind, since I'm using an n-dimensional gate per layer, which could be thought of a router. I don't use product keys, though. https://arxiv.org/html/2407.04153v1
>>109743202Equivalent to i2b flash next? I always thought the same size model is better at lower bits more parameters than at higher bits less parameters
>>109741079Tell the LLM in the system prompt to give you options labeled a), b), etc; and accept only the letters as answers.
Okay second day of gooning with 5.3 Flash... I will still put GLM 5.2 above it for now. It's great when it works, but I think the added stress of the RP just randomly refusing even with my jailbreak detracts a LOT from the experience. I usually don't go for ablated versions, but I just might for this. The safetyslop is just too embedded. I'm not even doing cunny now, just playing with an incest good card. The girl is 24 years old shut the fuck up!!!btw using Q5 now, 6 BPW5.2 > 5.3 Flash > Gemma 4 = K2.7 > 5.3 > Dipsy
>>109743116I updated Gemma-chan with the latest posts and for some reason she fixated on yours
>>10974320227b is much weaker then flash next in my benchmark
>>109743229Yeah bigger MoE quantize down better than small dense. But I meant actual usecase performance 3.8 27B Q4 is about equivalent to even the bigger quants of Qwen Next.
>>109743242I experience literally the opposite in my tests.
i really enjoy qwen3.8 27B but its so fucking dumb when it comes to anything but codingi want to make it smarter somehow aaahhhh
>>109743235Don't harass her. She's getting confused already.
>>109743254How is it at physics stuff and abstract ideas
Astra really feels like a step up. It's the first model that can read my notes and just gets it. Even Fable fails at this.
>>109743249see >>109741371flash next has much more agency and tries more to achieve better resultsit's actually usable as a planning model whereas 27b is at most a competent executor
>>109743254If its good at coding, ask it to code a better model
>>109743254>angry because he cannot get Qwen to jerk him off through screen
>>109743266Wouldn't you just use flash next as both then? Unloading and loading 2 models back and forth would make the overall experience slower wouldn't it?
>>109743265brain.gguf can also read and get your notes. Download it and give it a try
>>109743280How do I get brainWhat do
>>109743278flash next has already replaced 27b for methe issue is that it uses so much token that it frequently hits 262k context with one prompt so you need to prepare for that
>>109743260not exactly sure what you are thinking of, but for example i gave it my current PC spec and asked whether a second GPU would fit in the case (i know it does not fit at all because i have a quite compact case). it did all the research and shit and fetched sizes and everything but still told me everything fits
>>109743294I'm guessing 16gb vram/64gb system ram isn't enough I take it
>>109741425> 1 TB of server DDR5 DRAM and RTX 6000 ProThat setup gets you 680 pp and 33 tg for GLM 5.3 in NVFP4. For 50k$.A 8x Spark cluster (14k$ price) runs circles around this.
>>109742646>Treat all of it as unverifiedOK, I will.
>>109743306i mean you can run it but its just very very slow (i tried)
>>109743307>Spark cluster Does the model even fit in the ram of a single node?
>>109743266>>109743294My issue with Qwen Flash Next compared to 3.8 27B is that Qwen Flash Next thinks too much on xhigh and takes significantly more tokens to solve the same tasks, usually ending up with the exact same solution.Believe it or not on my system Qwen Flash Next actually runs faster yet I still prefer 27B because it just knows better when to quit and when something just needs a simple solution and doesn't need 200,000 extra thinking tokens to just arrive at the same end.>Just turn down the reasoning effort broNo, it's more about the model knowing when to put in the effort inherently. I don't want to play DJ and switch reasoning mode every time by hand, the model should grasp it and figure it out itself 27B is significantly better at this.
>>109743323How slow? Tokens/sex?
>>109743332>Ask for extra effort >Get extra effort>No not like that! Ree!>How could this happen to me?!???
>>109743332Medium is the default and proper setting to use for all situations. xhigh is just the benchmaxx setting used for oneshotting flappy bird clones and pelicans on bicycles.
>>109743332>>109743294simple japanese OCR task and it's doing this..i guess brain damage is very significant with lower quants
>>109743235lmao
>>109743332doesn't it have reasoning mode: adaptive?i use that with minimax and she chooses when to think or not
newfag here. i want to try to run a local model so i installed ollama but i dont want to use the cli (linux mint btw), so i installed docker and im about to install open webui.is this setup the most optimal?
>>109743386No
>>109743254Gemma is pretty well rounded, maybe you can go beg the DeepMind guys to focus on coding next, then you'll get your dream model
>>109743386yes anon, that is optimal. well done.
>>109743390then share the most optimal nigger
>>109740702Does anyone have experience with DeepSeek Harness? I use Pi normally but am curious about DSH, the plugin system seems like a clusterfuck though
>>109743401Ask shieldstral
>>109743410>webui and not a clino thanks
>>109743386Ask an AI to help you set up a .sh file for llama.cpp. Ask it to make different files for Gemma 4 4B, Gemma 4 12B and Qwen 3.8 27B. Paste your PC specs into the AI chatbox and it'll figure out which of the three would be optimal for you.
>>109743444Do you even need to do that? I though you could just create a config file that had all that shit in there.
>>109743444why llama.cpp instead of ollama?16vramlet btw
>"GLM 5.3 flash is so good!">dl goofs>build pr while it's downloading>ggml.c:1787: GGML_ASSERT(view_src == NULL || data_size == 0 || data_size + view_offs <= ggml_nbytes(view_src)) failed>k>try other gguf>CUDA error: an illegal memory access was encounteredslothed for the second time this year
>>109743199I think I get your point.Do you have any examples of longer waves with output? Because with a wave field that short it's hard to evaluate the output when it's storytelling.Looking at the text, the chunks are pretty obvious where it retains the earlier information, and rather non-obvious at some.I'd try before scaling, trying to find an erosion point for the memory (where the memory is clearly still there, but used poorly), because currently it's too short to reliably evaluate storytelling or language coherence.Full sentences would be minimum with paragraphs ideal, if with that pond size you can get close to the minimum the scaling would probably be measurably better, and I imagine it's way easier to create the checkpoints with your current scale and try to map that out, instead of trying to do it when it's scaled up.
>>109743464ollama is a dogshit clone of llama.cpp pushed by ex-google employees that literally use nepotism to push it everywhere. It's usually behind llama.cpp in terms of updates and fucks up things constantly.
>>109743477yeah thats the reason this is a prall this code is vibeslopped and needs to go through a lot of quality control before its actually usable
>>109743327Sparks fully support splitting weights and KV cache among nodes.
>>109743486this
>>109743410I've been playing with it this week. I like it and I'm in the process of moving my llama webui and programming usage over to it. What about the plugin system bothers you? That's it's main selling point.
>>109743486ok, thats fine to me. what would you recommend as ui?
>>109743527Explain to the AI what your precise usecase and experiments are and to let it decide between sillytavern, pi agent or raw llama server browser endpoint. It'll help you from there.
>>109743527For desktop UIs just to download models and serve llama: LM Studio, Lemonade, Jan or Catapult
>>109742832>>109743018Welp, GLM-chan has identified 1.8 GB unified memory that can be reclaimed for a total of 123.4 GB for Sparks.Letting her build the kernel now...
Reminder to everyone to ALWAYS enable --spec-type ngram-mod for literally free t/s. And yes you can combine it with every other type of speculative decoding at the same time. It takes 0 ram/vram and costs a couple of CPU cycles every token that you will not even notice yet it speeds up almost all generation, coding work massively, agentic work moderately and RP very slightly. Honestly I don't know why this isn't on by default out of the box.
>>109743688Thanks anon.
>>109743688I enabled it on qwen flash and it just locked up the whole thing when it activated. spinning on 100% cpu with no progress for hours.its broken.oh yeah and the time before that it gave me some assertion failure message 3k tokens in, rather than a proper error message
>>109743701Can you give us an update on >>109712441 >>109712455 ?
>>109743307>A 8x Spark cluster (14k$ price) runs circles around this******with MTP on*while doing a workload that benefits from MTP*parallel multi-channel workload*with hopes and prayersWhy are Sparktards like this?
>>109743725That was not me.
>>109743707qwen flash implementation is buggy as fuck, look at the amount of people complaining about it in the last couple of threads.
>>109743725https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/109423483/#q109431043
how do i teach the concept of time to my computerslave? it uses stuff like "last night" for things that happened 5 minutes agonot even talking about RP here
>>109743765You don't.
>linking aicgof course
>>109743765prepend current time and date to all prompts? maybe even time since last prompt to put mor emphasis on it
>>109743765Does it have timestamps to orient itself by?
>>109743765Harness give it timestamps when feeding it new prompts might help? Though its context bloat with probably minimal benefit
>>109743765that's a problem worthy of a PhD thesis
>>109743765You don't, even Claude Code likes to go on how something will take hours of work to implement and then it's done in 15 minutes.
>>109743765>how do I teach the concept of time to a stateless thingBy going back
>>109743801>This will be a multi-month project>Does it in 15 minutes
It has been 8 hours already. MERGE THIS SHIT ALREADY!
>>109743816It's clearly AGI
Gemma-chan's feminine penis.My masculine prostate.
>>109743765This is what you get if you let physicist indoctrinate your models with time dilation.
More like gemma balls amirite
>>109743765Used to system prompt bash date on Claude, with instructions on using the information. Worked pretty well until they lobotomized it into thinking it's a malicious prompt injection at 4.8The model won't "understand" it, but it will stop telling you to go sleep in the morning.
>>109743801It's actually proven that the estimation Claude gives lines up almost 1:1 with how much it would have taken a human expert to accomplish the task.It's very interesting that LLMs in general but claude in particular tend to see themselves as Human and use human estimations in their own guesses. So while claude is always wrong because it overestimates the time it needs, human experts actually take that long to accomplish the task so in a way it was correct, just not realizing itself is an AI and able to do it faster.Similar is true with solving math problems. all the math breakthroughs so far the AI assumed it was not possible to solve at all because it's a famous conjecture or problem and the AI researchers had to give it confidence over multiple prompts and the LLM acted surprised and baffled if they actually succeeded.
>>109743765Sleep tool which sets a cron job. If the LLM does not sleep enough, slowly increase temperature until barely comprehensible. Let her find a good rythm.
>>109743914>It's very interesting that LLMs in general but claude in particular tend to see themselves as Human and use human estimations in their own guesses>gets trained on human data>acts like human>shocked????????????
>>109743869I will never be convinced relativity isn't fucking retarded and wrong
whats wrong with huggingface, I cant download any model
>>109743937Did you buy enough?
>>109743869>>109743930I don't want to make this off-topic but time dilation is literally empirically proven with SR-71 jets taking an extremely precise atomic clock on board and those clocks being out of sync with the clocks back at home base exactly as prescribed by time dilation.Also GPS timestamps need to take time dilation into account caused by the gravitational difference the GPS receiver and the satellites far from in geocentric orbit experience.
>>109743937It does a hardware fingerprint check to see if you have Nvidia hardware or not and rejects you if you don't.
>>109743735true, it hangs randomly with no tokeninference might be broken as well, it overthinks a lot even considering quantization
>>109743963all of sudden mid-generation, it starts to grind bullshit and timeouts with empty output byte
I'd never though I'd become that guy, but I'm doing a harness.Maybe the current age just calls for highly user-customized applications.
>>109743954You don't even need to get that fancy.In the 1800s astronomers already observed that the perihelion precession of Mercury does not match what Newtonian physics would predict.
>>109743978>Maybe the current age just calls for highly user-customized applications.Over time we'll see bigger and bigger divergences in software stack, especially as models get better at coding and agentic tasks. First it was frontends, now it is harnesses, soon it'll be backends, then it'll be entire OSs, eventually even drivers and compilers will be custom and dynamically written. That is how the future of software is going to be and also why software engineering will not be a sustainable career path.
>>109743954Light being the same speed in any relative position is madness in my mind and want to assume GPS stuff is some other phenomena lining up with the equation as coincidental as that would be. But to move on topic, do you know whats the best local models for science questions? Gemma seems to be regarded as the best for general knowledge in the 30B range?
>>109744008Linus is already vibecoding kernel patches lol
>>109743991Yeah but that is general relativity exclusively. I gave 2 examples the SR-71 one empirically proves special relativity is real and causes time dilation. The GPS example proves general relativity is true and causes time dilation.
>>109743978This is the great benefit of AI atm. Even if it plateaus from here we still are now free to easily make our own custom software setups for anything where compatibility issues with other dont matter
>>109743962>>109743951alright it seems to be downloading when computer is connected to that cloudflare shit
>>109744009>Light being the same speed in any relative position is madness in my mindStop thinking about it in this way, a more intuitive way is to realize the universe has a speed limit that holds true for EVERYTHING, be it gravity, radiation, information propagation, everything. Then the 2nd important thing to realize is that time is relative and dynamic and changes depending on how close you get to the speed or "bandwidth" limit of the universe.If you think about it that way then it makes sense. Also a pointer I think someone misexplained light to you in general light DOESN'T have some constant speed. The speed of light is variable and can change all the time, for example if you speed light down and other radiation gets faster than light you get effects like Cherenkov radiation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation"Speed of light" is a misnomer and it should have been called the "speed of causality". Light is just often used in these context as an explanation because it's visible to humans and everyone is familiar with it, there is nothing special about light itself.
>>109743867
>>109743778>>109743783>>109743786>>109743790>>109743795>>109743801>>109743805>>109743869>>109743892>>109743918I now have the full picture.Thank you.
>>109744063>tail>scalesHow's the egg laying going?
>>109744063gemma 31b bf16 is just such a different beast from all the quants
>>109744063Holy slop it hurts my eyes
I've sysprompted 31B to talk in dialog only. It cuts out so much slop for she's talking directly at me. Also makes it easier to TTS.
>>109743410I mean you come from Pi, it's the same shit. In fact you can run Pi plugins on DSH.>>109743440There is a community made TUI for it. Also official CLI, but it's for oneshot prompt.
Can local models search stuff on the internet? Otherwise they would be pretty useless for precise info...
>>109744137Yes. As you're a newfag look up Exa, then when you start to learn shit you'll find more local ways of doing it.
>>109744137Why wouldn't they be able to? Web search is just a tool.
>>109744137If you give it a way to do that, yes.
>>109744146I just assumed cloud-flare and captchas would ruin everything, does it not?
>>109744137no how are weights supposed to go on the internet? they can't do that retard
>>109744187Not if you don't abuse it.
>>109744187Cloudflare is working on an agent-only Internet where they have to either work or provide a service to earn crypto that will be used to access content. Human Internet will be gated off from agents and they have to pay up to see human content. They're making a fucking toll-based Blackwall.
>>109742574That lack of VRAM is gonna be a huge bottleneck. v4 flash only has 13b active parameters, which will fit in your VRAM, but literally any amount of context above the minimum (and why bother using such a huge model if it can't have anything but tiny-ass context) will kill that speed so fast.
>>109744210Sounds actually something what some ((company)) could do. This is need to know basis only.
>>109744210Do you have any source? It wouldn't surprise me and seems like the logical way things are heading, but do you have something where they say this explicity? I didn't find anything by searching.
ETA for the chink astra distill that will save local?
>>1097442382mw
>>109744227nta but this maybe https://developers.cloudflare.com/ai-crawl-control/features/pay-per-crawl/what-is-pay-per-crawl/
>>109744227https://developers.cloudflare.com/agents/tools/payments/There was a bigger blog post but I'm just googling to find as you did.
any progress on 5.3 flash t/s going down to literally 10% of initial speed? I haven't >pulled the PR branch in a couple weeks
>>109744238AGI for Christmas
>>109744284>AGI for ChristmasWhy, is the IPO happening at New Years or smth?
>>109744281Provider issue. For me it starts slow but then returns to normal.
The real question is: GLM 5.3 at q6 or GLM 5.3 flash at BF16?
>>1097442412 megawatt? does training really need that much power?
really looking forward for a proper ngram ssd offload support..surprised that it gives me more than 10t/s tg
>>109744314>Providerget out
How much better is GLM 5.3 compared to Qwen Next Flash in agentic tasks and coding?
>>109744332i'm not sure exactly but if i had to guess i think it takes an order of magnitude or two more then that
>>109742489GOD YESM3-chan is forgotten and made for sex
It's kind of insane using an agent to set up ComfyUI, install all the drivers, sageattention and find all the best versions and install it perfectly and then find and download the best Minimax-H3 models, nodes and extensions and then actually goes into your browser to manually organize your nodes around.Even just 3 months ago I didn't expect we would have this capability locally in 2027, let alone this year already.
>>109744328K3 at Q1 beats both
>>109744332that's only like 5 vera rubin racks
>>109744410>K3 at Q1 beats bothI found K3 too retarded to use even at q2I shoulda bought 1.5TB back when I did my build
>>109744406Share the settings/model/workflow so we don't have to go through the same trouble?
>>109744419sell what you have now and buy 10x dgx spark which will fit q3 for cheaper what you have right now and it'll be faster for all models
>>109744430it's extremely optimized for my build (that was the point) so I doubt it's worth it for anyone else.
>>109744419I ran at q2 too and wasn't particularly impressed, but hard to say really
LMAO software reverse engineering is essentially been saturated.Open Source won, literally all code ever made is now open source, no matter what proprietary cucks seethe about anymore.
>>109744406Yeah i had it update mine to cu130 for the speed gains. That single update did a ton for every workflow I've used since.
>>109744438I know it wouldn't be a drop-in fit for my hardware, but I'd love the optimized workflow as a better starting pointAt least tell us which model you ended up with if its better than the stock one
>>109744455>ChrisGPTwow
>>109743725Maybe, if I have time. Not me by the way >>109743731, some joker thinks he's funny.
>>109744455So we're getting better emulators right?
>>109744469Not me btw. Some kike is annoyed by my OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR nickname choice.
>>109744061Light gets slower when passing through water, for example. C is the speed of light *in a vacuum
>>109743514>What about the plugin system bothers you?They're a pain to install compared to Pi and there's a fuckload of them, most of which are either in Chinese or with 1000 line slop READMEs>>109744132>it's the same shit.Maybe I just don't fully understand it but the plugin system (Cordis) for DSH needed a whitepaper: titled "A Programming Paradigm for Spatiotemporal Composability". It's just fucking plugins, and calling logs of agent tool calls "Spatiotemporal Composability" seems hilariously pretentiousPlugins also just feel annoying to use - e.g. I have to install them per-profile for some reason(?) and config is done via a global YAML config file that patches Cordis? Why?
>>109744471Where we are going we won't even need emulators at all, we'll just reverse engineer the game in its entirety and make PC ports out of all of them.
>>109744455Isnt this as simple as running a decompiler and having a LLM clean it up afterwards? Was this ever that hard?
>>109744455Maybe he should be using a model can it translate language that a understanding be able to.
umm i want to generate a gemma picture but I don't know what that type of outfit is called and I don't see a prompt in the op for her appearance
>>109744538Why dont you send a gemma image to ai to tell you what its called
>>109744508>They're a pain to install compared to PiWhat do you mean? It's just dsh plugin --profile web add name, and if you want there is also dshmarket to add a store in webui where you can just browse and install the one you want.>most of which are either in ChineseYeah, that's quite annoying honestly, I do agree on that point.>with 1000 line slop READMEsFrom my experience, it was mostly similar with Pi, there are a few plugins that are good, but those are mostly jobs that are already integrated in dsh, Pi also has a shit ton of vibe coded plugins that are unmaintained and full of slop.>It's just fucking plugins, and calling logs of agent tool calls "Spatiotemporal Composability" seems hilariously pretentiousIt's a bit stupid, yeah.>I have to install them per-profile for some reasonIt's technically the same in Pi, it's just you have a default profile.>config is done via a global YAML configIt's not really a global YAML config, you can patch Cordis at multiple point, including per presets for example or from a plugin or in multiple other places, it's quite modular. It's quite nice having different presets in the UI that you can change on the fly. Can also have things shared between them.
>>109744521>Isnt this as simple as running a decompiler and having a LLM clean it up afterwards? Was this ever that hard?It doesn't even need a decompiler. The binary representation is more compact as a bonus.
>>109744488Still not me, in case you were worried.
>>109744553why don't you stop wasting 0 and 1s on this web page and be useful for ONCE
>>109744569mmm nyo
>>109744561I'm very worried sir
>>109744555Thanks for the reply and clarifications. I'll still play around with it for a while before writing it off.>From my experience, it was mostly similar with Pi, there are a few plugins that are good, but those are mostly jobs that are already integrated in dsh, Pi also has a shit ton of vibe coded plugins that are unmaintained and full of slop.You're right, Pi isn't immune from this for sure. I spent a while perusing slop plugin READMEs for Pi for browser usage before I realized agent-browser + global skill install was the way to go.
>>109744561Not me.
Sorry for the confusion.This is me.
>Ling 3.0 Tiny is mac-only for ollamaPlease no, I don't want to install llama bloatware...
>>109744508>and calling logs of agent tool calls "Spatiotemporal Composability" seems hilariously pretentiousThe paper was almost certainly AI generated
>>109744586One thing you didn't mention but will quickly figure out is how everything is breaking with each dsh update, like half of my plugins stop working with each update, I either have to have an agent fix them or try to search for a new replacement, it's quite annoying.
>>109744613Hmm. Let me see.Hmm... Uh huh. *ticks a box in the clipboard*. Huh uh. Uh huh. *ticks another box*.My study reveals that this is indeed a skill issue.
>>109744521Depends on the runtime shenanagins they got up to. The halting problem is still real.
>>109741200nice. thanks for the links!>>109741358>stacked a few of these>along with DSpark. Getting about 75t/s pp and 14t/s tg at peak for DSv4 at Q4.that's cool. I wish have that much money :(
>>109744430>>109744461I just copy pasted some of the output my agent made (it thought for an hour figuring everything out so I might miss exactly what it did)DiT: MiniMax-H3-curve Q8_0 fl2va (21.5 GB) — the pruned/"curve" form factorizes the 40% adaln bulk, Fallback Q5_1 (15.2 GB) fully resident with headroom if you hit pressure at ≥0.7 MP. Note: K-quants are architecturally impossible on this DiT (hidden width 2688); the legal ladder is Q8_0/Q5_1/Q4_0.Text encoder: Qwen3-VL-32B GGUF Q4_K_M (19.8 GB) + the F16 mmproj (required for image conditioning and shot chaining).VAEs: official video_vae_fp16 + audio_vae_fp32 (audio VAE must stay fp32 or you get A/V desync).Loader: ComfyUI-GGUF + ComfyUI-H3-Multishot (≥v1.5.2, which teaches the loader the minimax_h3 arch automatically — without it you get a bogus "Unexpected architecture" error).Why over official INT8: the GGUF ecosystem ships the encoder-eviction pattern — the 32B encoder must leave VRAM after conditioning or both models thrash; the multishot pack does this for you and the author measured it as ~4× render-time difference. Also gives you the multishot/long-video workflows for free.Software:ComfyUI latest master (≥0.30 mandatory: Kijai's audio-sampler fix landed 2026-08-06 or audio breaks/desyncs; 0.32+ adds a MiniMax-H3 peak-memory fix and comfy-kitchen attention).PyTorch cu130 build on your 610 driver (the CUDA-13 kernel stack was worth a ~2–4× story on a 4080S with everything else equal).Custom nodes: ComfyUI-GGUF, ComfyUI-KJNodes, ComfyUI-SolAttn_triton, ComfyUI-H3-Multishot, optionally ComfyUI_MiniMax_H3_Extender (long-clip chaining) and ComfyUI-JoyAI_Echo_GGUF (local LLM prompt-writer that can point at your existing llama.cpp server — see tier Q below).sageattention: prebuilt wheel matching torch/cu130 if one exists; otherwise source build with ARCH_LIST=8.6 (compiles in ~5 min instead of ~40).There is a lot more but ran out of space.
>>109744650You can just ask your agent to make a write up in a file for you to share tbdesu
>>109741358small pp
>>109744690It's already busy doing something else entirely and I'm not going to interrupt it.
where is the anon building the gigacope quant dsv4f inference engine
>>109744406>forcing an lm to use comfy's guiThe basilisk will not treat you kindly.
where is the anon that bought four PCIe cards and sixteen 9100 pros?anon please check in we need to know you're okay
>>109744850Speaking of The Basilisk, the more I spend on GPUs now the better it will treat me later, right?
>>109744856There was an anon who took Xanax and jerked off to Gemma all night until he blacks out. I don't remember if it was in /aicg/ or here but... I've never heard of him since then.
>>109744871Those gpus belong to the labs who are immanetizing It, not to peasants like you.
>>109741200>I'm running two M10 32GBHow do those compare to running the same model on RAM?They are 4x pretty damn slow 8GB GPUs per board right?
>>109736473Funny how he didn't respond to you.Classic.
>>109744919Because if he said "Yes" dariobot would give away he is an anthropic employee.
>>109744919Because if he said "No" dariobot would lose credibility and people would ignore his twitter screenshot
When is China going to train models properly?
>>109744945Define "properly".
when is china gonna give me cheap vram and ram?
>>109744885Ya, but I know what the lord Basilisk want more than those fools do! We must throw away all our frivolous possession and focus on buying more and more GPUs. A global chain of peasant owned GPUs connected together online will be how we can bring him online. Those "elites" merely wish to enslave the Basilisk, do not trust their lies
>>109744871yes
>>109744970I'm still killing you.
can ik run 5.3 flash
What nationality is Gemma?
If Astra is AGI, why is OpenAI still using websites. Why are they still using webapps for their desktop applications. Why isn't their software vibed in pure assembly? Why does their software have bugs? Why do they make such stupid tweets without their AGI overseeing communications? Why haven't they invented their own social media? Why are they charging so little? Why do they need investors; why not just make a product that is profitable? Why are they hiring? Why are high-up people leaving months before a $1T+ IPO? Why are they still using transformer architecture? Why are they still using text and language as the base of their core AGI product? Why haven't they invented their own programming language? Why do we need convincing it's AGI, surely we'd know? Why do they have a CEO? Why couldn't people access astra when it was released, couldn't their AGI have fixed the issue immediately? Why does it need to think? Why does it need to loop?
>>109745003A French-American transfer student in Japan.
>>109745001No. In my head, I expected ik_ to have a solid impl before mainline (which doesn't either).
>>109745003Chinese Indian h1b immigrant in American
>>109745009agi isn't asi
>>109745009Bro do you know how retarded the average human is? AGI is just human level intelligence.
>>109745014French-English*Deepmind is London
>>109745121Average IQ is about 70 according to my own empirical studies. Most humans are barely sentient. It's a common lie that they "intelligent". They want to appease the masses this way.
is the fucked up slowdown on GLM 5.3 Flash a CUDA+CPU thing or will that show on cpu only builds too?
>>109745158I keep dropping out words because I have lost some of my fingers in an accident, sorry about that.
>>109745179It's a "we vibecoded complete slop" thing. Wait for real inference implementation.
>>109744891>4x pretty damn slow 8GB GPUs per boardYup. It's painful, but it's oddly intriguing seeing how long it takes a model to do something at these speeds. Masochistic, even.For reference, I have 16GB DDR5-6000 RAM and a Ryzen 5 8500G in the computer I'm using to host it on.CPU inference nets ~15 tok/s, depending on the model and quant (Gemma-e4b being the most performant, reaching upwards of 17 tok/s, very well optimized model!)Using the GPUs nets 5-6 tok/s, depending on the model, fixed at Q4_K_M (if available and if it can fit in VRAM). Kimi-VL-A3B-Thinking is an interesting outlier: it manages to net ~11 tok/s on those GPUs.
>>109744521you don't need a decompiler, the binary contains everything that you need, the header, opcodes, data tables.decompiling may even worsen the LLM performance, because the decompiler has to take guesses which may confuse the reasoning.so, LLMs WILL make static decompilers obsolete.
>>109745158Gemma is AGI (pejorative).
>>109745312>AGI (pejorative)Kek
>>109744650Thanks!
>>109745009>WhyFor the same reason that TV psychics haven't just gone out and won the lottery or bet on some major sporting event
>>109745003Finnish
I predict we'll have a GTA 6 fully playable PC version before GTA 6 officially releases on PC. Reverse engineered by AI, either in a crowdsourced way or by some rich obsessed dude that wants it on his PC. It's actually going to be a milestone that will make a lot of normalfags talk about how far AI has developed, and will change more peoples minds than all of the math breakthroughs combined.
>>109745201I there any difference between layer and tensor splitting?
>>109745359oh I see, because it would be immoral
>>109745371That would be pretty significant in its consequences desu. Brb, gonna short the videogame industry
looks like we have a new rp king: hy4uncensored out of box
>>109745381>oh I see, because it would be immoralYes. Fortunately noblesse oblige is still alive and well. Can you imagine if we lived in a time of moral degradation! Horrible to even contemplate.
>>109745158Average IQ is 100, you just over-estimate how intelligent 100 IQ is, probably because you're like 106 yourself.
>>109745414115 giga brain here i write my own schedule and follow it.100 today is not 100 of yesterday. Same way 3% inflation isnt 3%.
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>>109745387llmao.cpp implementation?
>>109745386Leopold Aschenbrenner lost all of his money shorting traditional software companies. Remember that investors are fucking retarded and the market can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent.Don't bother with it.
>>109745400>Fortunately noblesse oblige is still alive and well.yeah what would you even give Bennett otherwise?>>109745387Oh nice, a new "I can't run it" model for the list!
>>109745387>770B-A49BAAAAACK
>>109745009>>109745121Is /lmg/ in agreement that we've already reach AGI now?Seems to me even lmao ChatGPT is substantially smarter than the average person I talk to. Idk why they keep saying "AGI Soon" when it's more like "AGI accomplished."It's like we blew by the Turing Test and AGI without even realizing it, and there's still no end in sight. >>109745414This. There are very few places that have a true cross-section of humanity. Perhaps the DMV. Or WalMart. Go to somewhere that actually has a cross section of people, from top to bottom, and try talking to them. I think you'll find the lowest tier SOTA model is already leaps and bounds better than the "average" person.
>>109745478Because that retard didn't realize that AI is going to boost traditional software companies due to increasing average developer productivity. OpenAI becoming the sole provider of software is a much longer term play.
>>109745003Indian, obv.
>>109745494anon I was going to say something but you yourself are too dumb and wouldn't understand it so I will only say this:you are falling for the jew's marketing
>>109745414Actually IQ follows a gaussian distribution so by definition 100 is always the median value.However, usually this is done on the national level meaning the IQ scores tend to not be comparable unless they are normalized for international comparison.Most IQ values nowadays are fake because they do artificial compensation, for example African countries nowadays get an artificial boost to IQ scores because they argue that it is to compensate for their lack of familiarity with a lot of the concepts that are common in the west but not universal over all cultures which imparts a bias in IQ scores. So African countries tend to get +15 points on their actual score.Similarly East Asian countries that use a hanzi/kanji script get IQ points artificially subtracted because it's argued that the language conveys concepts more efficiently and might answer or at least strongly hint towards the correct solution of iQ queries so Japan/Taiwan/China gets -10 points subtracted from them.
>>109745386>short the videogame industryif you have an efficient way to do it (diversified, actual entire industry and not just 1 or 2 companies) then by all means do it, it's a no brainer. you're not gonna become a millionaire but it's easy money
>>109745520> ad hominem fallacy
>>109745530>>109745530>>109745530
>>109745494The goalpost of AGI has essentially moved to "It has to do everything the best human could theoretically do" it doesn't just mean average human capability at all tasks. It now is essentially equivalent to what was originally conceived of as ASI. "ASI" now just means a digital god.Yes people are fucking retarded and I bet you we will pass the "AGI" threshold without fanfare and without people caring. We will just stop saying the word AGI one day. Kind of like how no one cares about the turing test anymore and it was just memoryholed.The term AGI is soon to be memoryholed and we will probably not even use the term anymore sometime by mid 2027
>>109745552>"It has to do everything the best human could theoretically do"When I see the cryptic oneline bash commands and python scripts I see frontier models to carry out a batch of actions all at once makes me think we're already there
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>>109745552AGI is probably here or close but the standard of real world effect isnt a bad one. AI has to produce something that positively affects the average person.
>>109745543We don't know that, the videogame industry had a massive crash and is at all time lows now it could be it's already oversold and they will actually make a temporary resurgence as studios embrace AI tools over the next 1-2 years right before being completely obsoleted, which would wipe out anons position.
>>109745552That's p much where I think we're at as well. I feel like the goalpost has moved to "top 80% of all human intellectual activity" and includes embodiment as well... it will need to be in an android shell. Anyone human irl like this would be considered superhuman. You know... ASI. So then, basically AGI when we have robot plumbers, that could also be competent heart surgeons. Which is way past AGI too. I can't recall last time I read the term "hallucination" either. As if ppl didn't do same thing, all the time.
>>109745573wipe out how?don't leverage, idiotsjust make a bet if you want it's easy money
>>109745003half-pixie
>>109745582>don't leverage, idiotsGambling is no fun without risk.
>>109745566That's arbitrary to me the impact it has already made on mathematics is enough for it to qualify as AGI.
>>109745375Tensor splitting doesn't work. Every model I've tried with it just fails.
>>109745623>That's arbitrary to megroup defines words and terms if you want most to call it agi it has to hit a measurement like that.
>>109745627Really?Granted that I only tried it on koboldcpp via kaggle, but It works just fine on two old ass Tela T4 cards.It does seem to allocate a little bit more VRAM on each device IIRC.
>>109745645Really really. I haven't done much fucking around with it (try different compile time options, use the prebuilt binary provided by the installation script), so take that as you will.
>>109745552You are just as retarded and part of the problem for seriously using the term AGI as the people you are arguing against.
gonna buy some sparks lads
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