>>109751721
Which one is which?

Nothing is left to the imagination, everything must be hyper-realistic, illuminated with a floodlight and crystal clear. Stylistic choice and subtlety are relics of a bygone age.

>>>/v/
Go back to where you came from

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>*cough cough* one... year to live....

>>109751794
>you can't just come here and talk about technology on /g/!
you will never be a janny

>>109751753
i think this about sums it up

>>109751721
Looks like ambient occlusion, except you only get a quarter of the framerate. To me this looks like Nvidia starting to grasp on straws as the gaming GPU market withers.

i think it's clearly beneficial in the specific applications it was meant for.
There must be something I'm missing though, because it's kind of strange to me that developers can't just replicate the effect with more detailed meshes, textures, and higher quality rt/pt for less of a performance hit. On the face of it it doesn't appear to be doing anything 'magical' that higher quality assets and lighting wouldn't provide - and they are already scanning real faces and objects and theoretically path tracing is capable of simulating real lighting to realistic levels.
Just feels like there shouldn't have even been such a wide gap between current graphics and photorealism for dlss5 to slot into at this point.

Like df video said
its akin to dlss 1, or ray tracing
tech demo stage at launch
perf gets better later and gpus run it better

As a tool it's fine, it does make games aspiring to be photorealistic to be more photorealistic

>>109751721
Well the lighting looks like it improves somewhat, but it's not something major. I would turn it on if it's nearly free in terms of performance. What's the FPS cost again?

>>109751721
The problem is the inconstency. Turn around and look at the same scene again and the model applies entirely different lighting.
If you only rotate around a point or look at stills, it looks good.
Not nearly good enough to obliterate your framerate like this.

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lmao

>>109751875
>dlss 1
>spatial upscaler, per-game training required
>grand total of 2 games used it, both with heavy Nvidia involvement
>quietly replaced with completely different technological method and never mentioned again
I don't think you ever want to be compared to DLSS 1

>>109751928
Comparedly its an important stepping stone to the better version. It was combersome to train, but worked.
FSR meanwhile was terrible until the machine learning version, thats what you dont want to be compared to.

And yes dlss5 isnt doing great if only a tiny fraction of the market can enable it and it fucks off with half of their fps, but its a stepping stone to the better mainstream version of the tech you see in the future.

>>109751949
>important stepping stone
If you're using a completely different technological method with the only thing having any continuity being the goal and the name it's really not a stepping stone. It was a detour that led to a dead end that you backed out of.

>>109751967
no
the tech overlaps with the different versions, same people work on it and learn as they go, they use similar programs and hardware to get to the end result
fsr 2 and fsr 4 meanwhile is what you're thinking of, completely different methods that prob require different talent working on it using different software tools and hardware

>>109751721
nobody on 4chan plays game anymore
especially /v/
I think only /vm/ actually play games, and they play like 10 year old shooters and 10-20 year old mmorpgs

>>109751721
It's just adds layer of AO? It's a scam.

>>109751981
>the tech overlaps with the different versions
DLSS 2/3 overlaps with 4, but the spatial upscaler in 1 was something completely different and was an actual dead end. I'll remind you that there was a DLSS "1.9" used exclusively for Control that didn't even run on tensor cores.

>>109751832
It made her 20 years older. Can't be coincidental. They should rename it to OHSS. Old Hag Super Sampling.

DDLS5's only usecase is to make /v/irgins fap to realistic videogame women

>>109751721
slop sampling

>>109751921
Still missing the MSRP cards in the UK. Margin remains at +30% or more

>>109751875
Ray tracing is a good comparison I think, it's still in the tech demo stage. There's little to no reason to take the performance impact from raytracing even in the current year, it will be the same for this too.

>>109751921
It's amazing that he was able to lie twice in 3 words.

>>109752515
On pc space rt is pretty standard now
amd finally catched up to rt perf with 9070 xt
games implement rt as standard, ue5 lumen use RT
5070 or better gpus can into path tracing

>>109752536
>On pc space rt is pretty standard now
It's a performance loss the and graphics quality increases are dubious. Sometimes it looks better, sometimes it looks the same and sometives it even looks worse. There's not much reason to use it even after all these years

Very cool when it's subtle. I hope they can figure out how to make the people look less old in the face.

>>109752555
What's it like still living in 2020?

>>109751721
It triggers trannies like me so much that I have to use the big dilator to feel some comfort

>>109751909
got more?

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>>109752065
>Old Hag Super Sampling
Made me spit out my coffee IRL

>>109751721
Generally pretty good. If you crank it up too high, it definitely introduces issues.
>>109751902
>What's the FPS cost again?
Also my thought.
>>109751832
Cranked up way too fucking high here.
>>109752065
>OHSS. Old Hag Super Sampling.
I can't stop laughing at this.

I've seen a gran turismo 4 video with it, looks great to be honest, had the uploader installed a high res patch for other textures you'd think it's a far newer game.

>>109751832
Why'd she turn into a twice as old pajeeta?

>washed out gritty nolan filter
bravo nolan

On a mildly related note what causes people to start lying so much on the internet.
Like they can't neutrally take in information, synthesize it and reproduce information accurately.
The lies are flavors of ideological in group talking points popular on reddit, or brand warring, trolling on 4chan.
>I decideded ai is bad, datacenter bad, high hardware prices bad, so dlss 5 is bad. No, I dont need examples of it in games.
>Heres a [not dlss 5 image]. Its dlss5! -> Wow, I can't believe people are so insane they like dlss5 based on this image I know is not dlss5.
>Nvidia released a new graphics technique, this is bad because people use it and I own an amd gpu.

>>109755052
its bad because its non deterministic output

>>109755063
Oh, dlss 5 is deterministic tho.

>>109755103
how?

>>109755184
Well you give it input and it gives you output
theres no randomizer step

>>109755196
Do you think LLMs are deterministic?

>>109755213
No, but dlss 5 isn't a llm
its trained from a dataset of photos, not text, and they specifically made it to not change the videogames intent
Every time you give it same input it will give you same output.

>>109751721
Looks oversaturated, over-sharpened, there is a lot of shimering, problems with temporal stability, and it obliterates the framerate. The benefits it provides to the faces of the characters can be replaced with competent shading with barely any impact to the framerate (example: detroit become human, death stranding).
As of now it's a interesting tech demo but that's all it is. I have no will to play my games using it. It's a toy i would play with for half an hour and then forget it exists. That combined with the fact that it's proprietary means that if i was a dev i wouldn't waste time trying to implement it. Unless they manage to figure out how to fix all it's problems (mainly the shimmering and temporal stability) and create a pipeline so that implementing it in consoles and other gpu brands is easy, this tech will be forgotten just like physics.

>>109755226
Does that happen with other image generation ai software?

>>109755482
Typically they have a randomization element so you can give same prompt and press re-generate to get different image.
https://research.nvidia.com/labs/adlr/files/DLSS5_Report.pdf

>2.3. One Step Diffusion
>DLSS 5 employs a single-step diffusion inference rather than iterative stochastic sampling. Each
enhanced frame is produced in a single deterministic inference step; given the same rendered se-
quence and configuration, the system produces the same output sequence.

>>109755535
its always be the same across all processes and machines then? neat

>>109755226
>and they specifically made it to not change the videogames intent
Damn they really made an AI understand artistic intent. I wonder if they needed to define art or if the big token guesser did it on its own

>>109751721
literally who fucking cares

"realism" in games is trash. they're GAYMEZ. I don't want to do chores in a game, I don't want the game to look like real life. I want artistic vision in game, and I want it to be fun. we'll never get anything like jet set radio future again. wow look at you, you can see DLSS acne and pubic hair on a nigger's face WOW!!!!!

>>109755052
It's a stupid idea just like raytracing. It kills performance and isn't a straight upgrade over anything.

>>109751721
Garbage, obviously. Even if we ignore the fact that it's coming at the cost of true performance gains and games being well optimized, its very goal is awful. Video games do not always look better as fidelity increases. In fact, I'd argue graphics peaked ten years ago, everything since then has been nothing but actual downgrades and performance hits.
Turning DLSS5 on is making video games worse, but not turning it on is going to make them run like shit because developers either have stopped trying, or are no longer skilled.

>>109756663
Tell that to the majority of idiots who worship Nvidia and this technological abomination as if it were the solution to all the ills of the gaming world.

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>>109759095
>not turning it on is going to make them run like shit
Dlss5 and dlss in general have nothing to do with how well games run. Even turning on rt has no impact on the performance of a game or how well it's optimized.

Reminds me of when I was a kid and my school got a "new" digital camera. It was something like 1/8th of a megapixel and when I took a picture of a frog it turned out looking like frogger. Dlss5 is alot like that but backwards.

>>109759143
There are several components to DLSS, and one is frame gen. Which, if developers become reliant on, is very bad news for us.

>>109759143
>Even turning on rt has no impact on the performance of a game or how well it's optimized.
Go check benchmarks of RT games and see the fps loss AMD experiences compared to NVIDIA, where in other games without it AMD closes the gap significantly (or even surpasses certain models). RT for sure has a performance impact.
Additionally, its existence means developers don't try to implement lighting properly, telling users the intended experience is using this proprietary feature primarily supported by NVIDIA.

>>109759152
>>109759164
Yeah, with rt you're right and the fact that devs are creating games that require rt is a very bad sign of things to come. I can see a future where games will refuse to launch if they don't have some form of neural rendering capability detected.

>>109751721
Looks great in still images looks horrible when assets start moving like youre watching lifelike graphics with n64 era animations

>>109751721
honestly dont know what the quality is like (thanks for mp4) because 99% of the discussion is butthurt whining and memes. the last time they tried ai dlss it seemed like there were big consistency problems, but this time, if there are still problems, you wouldn't know, because every video game fanartist is limping out about it instead of showing what it can do

>>109751949
>FSR meanwhile was terrible until the machine learning version,

that's the same between DLSS1 and DLSS2 dear retard.

>>109759292
oh yeah deep learning super sampling wasnt made with machine learning
silly me

>>109759300
believing all the lies from nvidia, gl my friend.

>>109759323
If you accidentally turn on fsr2 on a game you'd see what a shitshow that was

>>109759329
as opposed to dlss1?

>>109751721
I think it's fantastic. Now I can view my virtual niggers in even higher definition and detail

>>109759351
I never rly enabled it so idk.
I dont remember digital foundry videos being upset at how shit it was and how nvidia should go bankrupt over it.

>>109759308
>>109759312
I'm not even sure which one of these I'm supposed to be impressed by. The first one's way blurrier at least.

>>109759143
Isn't this the image that they didn't notice changed girl from a natural blonde to a bottle blonde with dark roots?
They weren't present at all in the original source, they were interpolated by a slopfication model trained on instagram. It's not even the same game at that point, it's nvidia's version of the game.

>>109759371
I found it mentally retarded how people reacted to the first reveal
Like
>this version of the tech is the only version that will ever exist
>there will be no models besides the one used for grace in that one screenshot
>there will be no ability to adjust the output
>also games are about looking at a closeup of a characters face 24/7, I know that since Im a gamer who played videogames in the past

honestly its a good argument for getting rid of useless eaters in the AI robot era

>>109759399
thank god they'll spare you for sucking so much megacorp dick
el oh el

>>109759437
Yeah, I dont want to associate with you
I wish your mother got a bullet in her head before birthing you

>>109751721
>postprocessing filter
i didn't pay for hardware to render it to have crap overlaid on to it
no dlss
no taa
no vignette
no fullscreen color filters
fuck you, i don't want hallucination slop either

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>make raster look like shit over the years
>slop it the fuck up
>shiny, but everything is hallucinated
>devs who generally no longer understand how to make raster look good will just add the slop generator as an extra toggle instead of accounting for it
>but I can't expect nor want them to try and built entire games around a mystery meat instagram filter
I don't know. Couldn't they use the same "AI" to create better engine-level lighting tech instead?

game changing

raster is dead that shit has literally never looked good

only radeon retards are whining about it

>>109751721

Makes the game look worse and kills the performance. Win-win baby!

>>109759399
>you shouldn't judge technology that actually exists, you should judge the fictional version that only exists in my imagination!

This is the type of "person" who shills for AIslop.

>>109760237
Your understanding of reality seems to be on the level of a jungle pygmy

>>109751721
Not going to use it if it lowers fps.

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>>109751721
>What do we think of DLSS 5?
Unirionically, It's great.

>>109751909
>>109761431
Whoa, it's basically a DPH simulator.

i love it. mod it in, turn on framegen/smooth motion, post video on x, farm the artist and luddite seethe

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>>109761462