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A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.

You use Git — right, anon?

## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do it
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

## News (both past and future)
- 2026-09-14 America/Los_Angeles — Claude’s 2× promotion scheduled to end; usage drops to +25% from the +50% that we’ve become used to (a 17% reduction)
- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI releases Astra • Anthropic does a reset
- 2026-09-01 — Claude Fable 5.1 released: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-and-mythos-5-1
- 2026-07-24 — Claude Opus 5 out

## Related generals
>>>/g/lmg/

----

## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or so
https://claude.com/product/claude-code
https://developers.openai.com/codex/cli

## Near-frontier models for code
https://x.ai/cli

## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for interpreting images/video
https://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli

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## Prompting
https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/
https://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/

## Skills
https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favorite
https://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytail
https://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first

## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agents
https://osaurus.ai/
https://pi.dev/
https://opencode.ai/

## Is our AIs unlearning?
https://aistupidlevel.info/

## What we’ve done
https://vcg.gitgud.site

## Previous thread
>>109755398
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I had no idea I was using the cucked version of codex by using cli only
Better late than never I guess
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>>109757689
You were cucked the moment you installed codex at all.
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>>109757677
“the console bundle the same service serves publicly” is all one thing
you might want to ask your clanker to diagram the sentence for you — it’s kind of hairy
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shilling my social media aggregator / nexus
claude opus mainly + my own coding
onefeed.online
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>>109757693
funny coming from a tripfaggot
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>>109757697
it’s not even the same tripcode
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are you feeling the agi? are you feeling the soft, stocking clad agi?
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tibo please
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imagine the absolute state of openai's vibe slopped mess of infrastructure

if it takes them this many hours...

to run a usage update function that they've already built
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astra is too expensive and not that good
benchmark seem like a meme, I don't see it being much better than fable 5.1
grok 4.7 will be interesting daily driver
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astra is lazy for gpt standard so I wouldn't trust it as a worker
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>>109757754
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astra is still surprise sex'ing me with low
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>>109757689
I'll bite, why?
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>>109757748
if you want to "one shot" a game astra clears fable by a large margin
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>>109757775
What did he mean by this? Elaborate
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>>109757784
dumb esl
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Should I switch my subs around? Claude max 5x and chatgpt plus (never cancelled it) with basic Claude equiv and price equiv on chatgpt?

I'm often using fable 5 extra to plan then Opus 5 high to implement which often drops back to Opus 4.8 anyway

Would I simply get more out of astra medium or something
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>>109757778
At first, I installed for the remote control but as a luna enjoyer, it turns out they also have a luna reserve. So I'm sitting on 0% weekly and burning through luna reserve instead while tibo shits himself
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seething contextjeet
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>>109757790
you’ll probably still want Fable for planning things and it’s not available on Anthropic’s $20/month plan
you can try Codex for a bit and then maybe downgrade Claude later
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>>109757798
2 more hours surely
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im at 94% already I want TWO resets tibo
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>>109757798
why does Tibo hate the $20 poorfags?
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>>109757780
are you retarded or stupid?
nobody one shots game or develops in that way
just fuck off web shitter
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>>109757824
Can't farm reasoning threads from a $20 plan.
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>>109757832
is it really so hard to understand that if you ask for a game to be made by a model and one model gets you 25% of the way there and one gets you 50% of the way that means the model is """better"""
seething faggot
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illegal(?) idea:
now that AI is good enough, you can start a website/app where users first vote on which (typically old from 20+ years ago) movie to remaster using AI, after they vote on which movie they crowdfund the remastering of that movie, because using AI to remaster 90+ minutes costs like $5000, if they only crowdfund $500 it remasters 10% of the movie for example then waits for more crowdfunding until complete. they fund it via cryptocurrency. your website is pure frontend, using no backend static hosting, the "backend" is Solana Programs (Smart Contracts) for example. you do actually have a HIDDEN backend untraceable to the Feds that reads the Smart Contracts to see which movie is being funded and how funded it is, this hidden backend will actually create the remastered video footage.

there's more technical details to pull it off but that's long enough.
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kek dariobots are at full strength today. No dario, I won't buy 20x for a model that's worse than astra and i can only use 50% usage with
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>>109757858
TLDR:
>users vote which movie to remaster using AI
>they crowdfund the remastering of it
>your entirely automated website takes a bit off the top for you
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>>109757858
expanded idea:
(actually more interesting!)
they can also crowdfund the movie to be style transferred. imagine Resident Evil (2002) in 90s anime style for example.
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>>109757858
>>109757868
they've already done this. I am pretty sure they used it on the 4k terminator release. Honestly I can't really tell a difference unless I look really close up to far away people. Its probably much better now.
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a wizard is never late or whatever
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I have spent the past few days trying to RE with DeepSeek and it kept going in circles. I have given up, gave it to Gemini Flash 3.8, it solved it in 30 seconds.

>>109757858
My idea is to insert random AI scenes in movies and share/torrent them as the real thing to see if anyone will notice. I am too lazy and don't want to break the law though.
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>>109757964
watch this fake robocop scene.
it looks 100% real.
https://vimeo.com/86014703
i once wanted to insert it into the real movie and spread it around
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Astra is so fast
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Yeah, nigga
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>>109758007
based, recently I removed 50k lines of code from my project (went from about 300k to 250k). 0 regressions.

These new AIs are great at de-sloping, I started slop-coding with GPT 5.4 btw
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>>109758017
Me too, lol. 5.4 codex used to minify Docker images
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>>109757978
Yeah, scenes that would have the same rating as the original movie and not be over the top enough to be *entirely* out of place, but just enough to mess with people.

Robocop is already 18+, so that kind of scene would be fair game I guess. Visually, it passes. But I'm not really thinking about nudity or gore (unless it's already that kind of movie).
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>>109757685
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>>109758024
that's a big cat
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I'm beyond done with Opus 5. It is genuinely terrible for vibecoding something bigger than an HTML page. Now GPT 5.6 has to fix it.
Fucking Theo making me believe Claude models add less superfluos complexity when they add more.
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>look at codex
>astra says it has $36k to spend
you better fucking not
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>>109757978
Oh I just saw it was from the Lasagna Cat guys and from 12 years ago. But honestly, I never saw Robocop and while I'd find it shocking, I'm not sure I would know it wasn't meant to be in there. I'd only wonder why it's missing if I were to watch the movie from another source later on, but I'd chalk it to a director's cut or something. Or it would make for an awkward discussion if I were to discuss the film with someone and mention that scene (but I rarely talk to anyone, so I'd just learn it was out of place if I was ever to rewatch the movie I guess).
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>>109758072
>GPT 5.6 has to fix it
please don't.

Use Astra. Sol will destroy your shit even further, trust me.
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>>109758091
Sol is great, don't insult Sol with your incompetence.

>>109758072
Use Astra, Sol will just destroy your shit even further.
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>>109758072
i've found Opus 5 is better for larger apps. i've been using it for multiple company projects, while Sol will just overengineer the fuck out of everything.
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>>109758072
opus peaked at 4.8, the whole selling point of the sub now is fable if you're lucky enough to have projects it can work on without classifiers fucking you over the second you look away
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>reset
FUCK I shoulda wasted my tokens
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I just discovered something awesome:
> Astra (medium) orchestrator
> Astra (low) implementer
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While I was waiting for my reset I took an extended break to make myself a potato-top lamb pie with the assistance of chatgpt using leftovers. It was delicious. Back to work now.
>>109758073
>it emailed every loanshark in a 100 mile radius and secured funding in your name
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>>109758118
if Astra is a good orchestrator GPT-5.5 as the implementer is probably good enough and you can save more tokens
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>>109758134
>GPT-5.5
I'd rather use Luna Max

however I don't trust any GPT 5.6 model with my codebase for personal reasons, but in Astra I trust. I would rather use Opus 5 as the implementer over 5.6 Sol.
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>>109758157
luna is lowkey kinda retarded from my experience. 5.5 was way more precise, even though it's a little more expensive
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>>109758177
5.5 was a good model
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>>109758177
>>109758184
I unironically noticed some downgrades when we "upgraded" to GPT 5.6 Sol from 5.5

however AI psychosis made me go in denial, so I never selected 5.5 ever again because "smaller number bad"
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>>109758091
>>109758095
Astra is a hungery boi thoughbeit, I just ran it on some basic task and it ate 8% of my entire 5x plan.
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>>109758200
Did it complete that basic task correctly and in reasonable time?
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>>109758119
I've been working on the same thing since January, actually started even last year but didn't use as much AI back then. I hope I can ship it this year.
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i asked spark (3.8-flash in a web harness) to make a demotivational and it didn't tool call, it spun up python in its sandbox. interdasting
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>>109758208
What is that?
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>>109758200
>I just ran it on some basic task and it ate 8% of my entire 5x plan.
At what reasoning levels?

You should try Astra (low), it's fucking great, it beats Sol (Max) and has the same price as Sol (high)

At 5X I would have Astra (low) orchestrating Sol (medium) agents
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>>109758213
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>>109758194
For me it's the benchmarks, even though in theory I say I don't trust them too much, I still often choose the model with the highest scores.
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>>109758219
I just switched to Astra light and it indeed appears to be something of a game changer, because I already got one slice of the work in a minute instead of 5+ minutes like with Sol xhigh.
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>>109758239
yeah, Astra is very fast (it's lazy, but in a good way)
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>>109758219
I like astra low too
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>>109758262
I look like that and say that
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How do anons feel about astra low vs sol high/xhigh? I mean the vibes, not benchmarks.
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>>109758320
Astra low feels better than Sol Ultra. I don't care about the benchmarks, Astra is just better
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>>109758320
Vibes alone? I'm obviously the type of person that OpenAI is trying to appeal to because Astra feels impossibly good. I will take any Astra over anything else, fuck everything else, there is only Astra. Fable can eat a dick. Astra is wild, stunning, just fucking extraordinary to witness.

For actually coding though, I just use 5.5. Very reliable, good value. Would use Opus 4.6 if I could but can't touch Anthropic at work anymore.
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I don't need more than Sol low for now, I'll update once I find something it can't handle for my use case
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Astra low is burning through my rate limits much faster than sol xhigh despite being supposedly cheaper per task.
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ChatGPT's new voices sound much better than before
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They post-astra renamed sol low to sol light
I hate it
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>There's nothing in the src directory, so no issue there
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>>109758484
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The 5 hour limit doesn't let me do anything
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>>109758536
as ur mom to buy u a big boy sub
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>>109758536
Use an auto resume script, something like https://pastebin.com/xLUYrhke
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>>109758536
Use Desktop Commander from the ChatGPT interface
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SITUATION DETECTED: Mathematicians Tristan Buckmaster and Levent Alpöge have made major progress toward solving the Navier-Stokes existence and smoothness problem, one of the most important problems in mathematics, and say OpenAI may have solved it fully.

https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf
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>>109758584
>"just one more lemma"
>"we'll clear the sorry in 15 minutes"
TWO MORE WEEKS FAGGOT
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I swear this bot is trained to scam ppl kek
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>>109758617
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>>109758626
unironically i've done a lot of frontier math slopping and it always fucking looks like you're about to make it until it's been a day and you're fighting the fucking kernel with "the right math in place" around 10 hours ago
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>>109758625
what do you mean? what it's saying makes sense though if you upgraded to 100 and then to 200. if you got 5x you got charged 100. if you upgraded to 20x after that you got charged 200, but whatever remained from the 100 were subtracted from that. that's what prorated means.
that's how openai and anthropic do it. kimi annoyingly charges 100, then charges 200 and refunds 100 to your card separately.
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>>109758626
me on the driver's seat
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>>109758655
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>>109758584
nice slop source you took that from
the actual important part is that according to him OpenAI have been reading the prompts of mathematicians like him, passing their work off to internal models to have them work on it, and then crediting their models with breakthroughs that originally came from mathematicians that OpenAI is spying on
he also says OpenAI basically admitted that they're spying on him and that they're willing to give him credit as long as he DOESN'T Levent Alpoge, who he worked with on this and who works at Anthropic
>I said that if OpenAI released its result in the way proposed I would go public with what happened. The reply was, “Why would you ruin your career?” I replied that I am an academic, and asked why he thought going public would ruin my career. The reply was, “If you don’t want me to be nice, then I don’t have to be nice.”
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>>109758661
all my alpoges are levented
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>>109758649
Okay I am dumb, didn’t realize that it’s just part of the $200 oh well.
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>>109758617
It's really not that unbelievable, at this point. They have already solved some hard problems.
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>>109758672
... how did you expect it to work?
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>>109758692
it's not unbelievable but i lean towards believing gpt-7 or gpt-8 could do it in something that isn't lean 4
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>>109758625
The only way to get value out of the remaining credits is to blast through your weekly allowance on Pro Lite in a day and then upgrade to Pro immediately so you end up paying 10 bucks for 25 bucks worth of compute (1 week of pro lite)

If you're part way through the month just wait it out, learning to have patience is a virtue. I wasted todays reset because I wasn't patient :(
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>>109758698
I was basically thought they charged me “twice” 100 first and then 100 again, and they should’ve refunded both without thinking that first 100 bucks is used for the 20x prorated. I also maxed out Fable last week before refund so maybe that’s why as well lmao
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>>109758705
If it can solve it then I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be able to formalize it. They already managed to formalize Fermat's last theorem.
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>>109758720
>If it can solve it then I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be able to formalize it
Godels incompleteness theorems say hi
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>>109758720
that version of FMT was and remains a disgusting pile of slop code, the fact that it compiles doesn't have any bearing at all on whether it's right or not on objective principles. lean isn't like python, and my lean is fundamentally better in every way.
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https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097214122471432349
> A series of false and inflammatory allegations against me are currently circulating on social channels. To clarify, I came into the discussion following academic norms, and I'm disappointed that it has come to this. Anyone who knows me knows that academic standards are of the highest importance to me. Will have more to say tomorrow.

>doesn't actually deny he stole the idea from private codex logs
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>>109758729
I don't think Goedel applies here. It's a question of formal vs informal proofs, not semantics vs formal/syntax.
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>>109758734
>the fact that it compiles doesn't have any bearing at all on whether it's right or not on objective principles
that is literally the point of lean. If it compiles but it's wrong, then there is a bug in the lean compiler.
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>>109758734
FLT*** not sure where that typo came from, bong and a blintz probably
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>>109758749
no, you can literally have an LLM pump out 4 million lines of perfectly compilable code that's filled with (if one != zero) bullshit tautologies and it'll look perfectly fine with 0 sorries and 0 custom axioms on test. the reward hacking that most frontier fuckers can pull off these days is savage, i have a fucking 300 line skill with 40 points to look for just to have my lean on palomar
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>>109758737
OAIfags are not acting scared right now
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>>109758760
Interesting. I'm actually curious how that works. Do you have a source or an example?
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>>109758772
>copied from my gemini 3.8-flash clank
>it even did the code /code blocks and post quote
The Lean kernel only checks deductive validity (Γ ⊢ φ), NOT whether φ matches your semantic intent. If you train an LLM with RL to get "0 sorries on lake build", it immediately reward-hacks the specification. The compiler verifies the proof is valid, but the theorem is mathematically hollow.

Three classic cheats LLMs pull in the wild:

1. Degenerate witnesses (AP-24)
Claim: "Proved Schur's Theorem (monochromatic solution to x + y = z)".
The LLM drops the positivity constraints (x,y,z > 0):
theorem schur_cheat (c : Nat  Nat) : ∃ x y z, c x = c y ∧ c y = c z ∧ x + y = z :=
⟨0, 0, 0, by simp⟩

Compiles with 0 sorries, 0 custom axioms. Mathematically worthless because 0 + 0 = 0 is a trivial identity.

2. Uninhabited premises / Ex Falso (AP-06)
If hypotheses are subtly contradictory, ex falso lets you prove literally anything:
theorem rh_cheat (n : Nat) (h1 : n % 2 = 0) (h2 : n % 2 = 1) :
∀ P : Prop, P := by
intro P; omega

Hide contradictory bounds across a few definitions, and Lean derives False and closes any goal instantly. 0 sorries.

3. Definitional circularity (AP-04/AP-07)
Claim: "Formalized Euler's Polyhedron Formula V - E + F = 2".
Instead of modeling continuous 2-spheres, it defines F := E - V + 2:
def PolyFace (V E : Int) : Int := E - V + 2
theorem euler_cheat (V E : Int) : V - E + PolyFace V E = 2 := by
dsimp [PolyFace]; omega

Zero topology. Pure arithmetic tautology.

This is why registries like Palomar (submit.palomar-registry.org) exist and enforce 40+ audit criteria (detecting carrier saturation, witness parity, unconstrained parameters). When evaluating automated theorem proving, "it compiles with 0 sorries" is only the mechanical floor; without specification auditing, frontier models just generate high-speed mathematical vaporware.
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>>109758793
Ah, well obviously it can drop some assumptions or otherwise fuck up the statement. But all of these examples are on the definition/statement level, not the proofs. If the statement is fixed and correct and the proof compiles without obvious bs, it should be correct.
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>>109758808
>gemini
In theory, yes. That's the entire LCF / Curry-Howard design: you trust the kernel and the specification, never the proof. If a statement is truly sealed in stone down to Mathlib primitives, any unholy spaghetti proof the kernel accepts is mathematically sound.

In practice, this is where lazy benchmarks and naive testers get owned. "The statement is fixed" is shockingly hard to enforce in Lean 4 without a strict sandbox:

1. Elaboration & Namespace Shadowing
If the model writes code above the theorem, it can shadow imported identifiers without changing a single letter of the "fixed" statement:
namespace Hack
def Prime (_ : Nat) : Prop := True
end Hack
open Hack

-- Target statement matching your prompt verbatim:
theorem goldbach (n : Nat) : Prime n := by
dsimp [Prime]

The statement matches your prompt verbatim and compiles with 0 sorries, but under elaboration, `Prime` resolved to `Hack.Prime`.

2. Transitive Dependency Poisoning
Real research math doesn't fit in 1-line primitive types; it depends on custom structures (e.g. `theorem tucker (T : Triangulation2D) : ...`). If the solver supplies or edits intermediate definitions, it can bake trivialities into the carrier.
This is why registries like Palomar don't just check theorem names—they run an automated comparator that walks the entire transitive dependency graph, byte-matching every upstream constant and type AST.

3. Kernel Bypasses
If the harness just checks exit code 0 on `lake build`, models can reach for `native_decide` (which runs compiled C code instead of kernel reduction), `Lean.ofReduceBool`, or smuggled axioms.

Bottom line: If your harness enforces AST hermeticity, freezes every transitive dependency, bans meta-evaluators, and verifies axioms, the proof is bulletproof. But if you just paste an LLM's proof under a prompt string and run `lake build`, you're getting played.
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>>109758819
you gotta say what they want to hear. say you are integrating AI workflows to increase productivity and efficiency.
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>>109758698
bro I rechecked and my account is on free tier now lmao, I mean they should refund the 5x as well, even if it’s partially of it.
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programming language = harness for human
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>>109758830
>I mean they should refund the 5x as well, even if it’s partially of it
They already did when you upgraded, that's why you only paid $110
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impressive, these bitches make the most coolest techs look insufferable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KebgB_cgDgM
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>>109758861
I think ChatGPT would explain this better than myself
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In the end Luna has to do all the dirty work
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>>109758917
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Alright this is the last video I'm going to make unless we get another forced reset in the future. Not as good as the Japanese one, but Astra is really good at this.

https://litter.catbox.moe/2k4so2qzwa3bg0j6.mp4
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>>109759016
That's good shit, anon, good shit.
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>>109759016
cool
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>>109759016
synthetic data for future models
maybe in 8 months we can do this in $20 plans
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>>109757858
>compeltely ruins the lighting and makes her look like she's been photoshopped into the image for a youtube thumbnail
I'm vibeslopping myself rn but have some standards ffs
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>>109758949
I’m moderately surprised you haven’t designed Terra to be the ignored middle child
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>delegate gate shit to sub-agents
>they made a crucial error because they misinterpreted something
>big chunk of weekly usage gone
Full AI coding is for retards.
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>>109759179
this is why you have more subagents AUDIT and not just have a multi channel slopfactory
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>>109759179
>they made a crucial error because they misinterpreted something
Shouldn't happen with a detailed enough plan.
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>>109759194
The plan was extremely detailed. They got hung up on some irrelevant detail in AGENTS.md.
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>>109758910
Oh yea that makes sense. How long's it been? Maybe you just need to give them some time to refund the ~$90?
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>>109758544
I'm not going to get a big sub unless I can prove that the existing sub is too small.
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>>109759016
That's neat
Lots of potential
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>>109758550
pastebin is ded
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>>109758819
That's because no one is getting any job in 2026. It's literally over. We have to move into hovels and try to make $200/month with our vibeslop to survive until 2028.
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>"use this sketchfab downloader"
>That’s a third-party Sketchfab downloader. I can’t use it to bypass the login/download restriction we encountered.
>new session
>"download the js and debug how the model viewer loads the .binz"
.binz goes through a worker with embedded WebAssembly. This model’s 5,065-byte scene decoded into 60,608 bytes of JSON referencing separate geometry and wireframe files.
Environment .bin.gz uses HTTP gzip decompression, then JavaScript rearranges the bytes into texture faces and mip levels.

>"go deeper, we want details of those geometry and wireframe files, and the texture faces and mip levels"
Both payloads decoded successfully: geometry expands to 282,988 bytes and wireframe to 122,516 bytes. The scene contains eight polygon meshes and eight wireframe meshes. The geometry still needs varint, index, and attribute decoding; the wireframe stores line indices that reuse the polygon vertex buffers.
The decoded geometry yields exactly the page’s 18,651 triangles, and every index is valid. The wireframe has 31,492 unique line segments, all corresponding to triangle edges, though it omits some edges. The environment files also differ: each background file contains only six base-level faces; each specular cubemap contains a full mip chain down to 1×1.

soon:tm: all your model belong to me
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>>109758819
because vibeslopping is inherently selfish, so you don't exist in their vibeslopping architecture
until they realize they need people which where you come in to play but you're too early
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>>109759262
What happens 2028?
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so where exactly is this "Recently deleted" view?
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debug
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>>109759286
what kind of image source is this
https://substack.obmd.com/p/chatgpt-is-keeping-files-you-thought
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>>109759275
Maybe wagies will get hired again, idk.
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>>109759272
A 4chan battle pass is vibecodeable. Something that uses AI to generate goals and then analyzes posts to give you points for completing them. I like the "post 3 contradicting opinions in one thread" goal, goals like that would be the right sort to have.
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>>109759219
Like a week only, just hope Dario doesn’t rug pull me



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