Why not use XFCE? There is literally nothing missing.
>>109790569Why don't you subhumans stop copying Windows & MacOS UI/GUI for once in your freetard lives?
Because KDE exists
>>109790569Screentearing
I didn't find a way to make all the fonts non-blurry. KDE allows me to change most of them using the GUI.
>>109790912>because I'm autistic
>>109790699>copying Windowsxfce had scrolling while hovering sound icon to change volume for over 10y. Windows only recently introduced that.
>>109790569Thumbnail previews on folders with media files inside is missing. I’ll stick with KDE.
xfce is bloated and dead
>>109790977It's neither.
>>109790569>3 gb of RAM in 2026
X is obsolete. No HDR support? What a fucking joke.
>>109791267>HDRwhy would any heterosexual male care about some useless gimmick designed to sell overpriced monitors to tranny gaymers?
I tried it on UTM and it was extremely laggyThe only thing that didnt lag were the penguins X app
Switched to lxqt.
>>109790722>krashes
>>109790569Im too busy using icewm
>>109791872also comfy
>>109792271this
>>109790569Why is there clock in the 2/3 of the panel?
>>109792263works on my machine, it only crashes for retards who don't know what they're doing
>>109790569need to make specific quarter-tile binds instead of just pushing tiles into corners with directional bindsliterally unusable
>>109790722i wont use qtslop no matter how much you faggots shill for it. Had to use it for years at work and it was miserable. When your shit gets big, the whole codebase becomes impossible to tame. I'd rather use whatever rustcrap cosmic uses before i use qt.
>>109792474>"KDE is the most customizable DE, you can change anything!!!">"nooooo you cant change that, it will krash, its your fault for using the built-in setting our incompetent devs haven't maintained since 2015"
>>109793193Skill issue on your part. KDE is rapidly becoming the de facto Linux DE, the default for popular newcomer distros like CachyOS and nobody else is complaining.
>>109790569Your XFCE looks so cute, minimal and modern.>Why not use XFCE?Because I have FOMO, all the nu-desktops like GNOME and KDE Plasma have shit like Wayland, VRR, HDR and moar.
>>109790569It's 2026 and they still don't know how to implement folder previews.
>>109793363Which Linux DEs other than KDE have this?
>>109790569
>>109793468Even Win7 has this feature and it's better because you have a dedicated pane at the bottom, that MS removed in Win10 for some reason.
>>109790569we love the rat!
>>109791872>>109792271basedthink ill used dunst with icewm only for notifications
>>109791139At this point I would be running Void Linux and i3Xfce’s gtk is too big
>>109793468what the fuck microsoft removed that in windows 11
>>109790569>XFeCEsthis is the nickname /g/ gave it over a decade ago
>>109790569plasma is nicer
>>109792263Post beef.
>>109795286post Adam's apple.
>>109790699what, just because there's a bar and a dock..?? lol? have you even touched xfce, because it's nothing like either one. also any de worth using has a bar at the top or bottom of the screen, it simply just makes sense for there to be one
when i used xfce in a live cd environment the display scaling on xfce was very poor and so was the autohiding of the panel bar, kde everything works as expected. I might use xfce on an old laptop
>>109795286>KDE haters are jeets!Makes no sense considering KDE is the only distro that regularly boasts about its annual Indian dev conferences
>>109795571>distroDE*
>>109795571>>109795579None of this is the code. You also don't know what pork is, or what the difference between ham and bacon is, because pork is unpopular in India.
>>109795629You forgot this >>109795295I'm sure you're quite familiar with dilating, as a TRUE KDE ENJOYER
>>109795629You know what is popular in India? KDE, since the team caters to Indians and states that it's a goal of theirs to recruit Indians to work on it, which is why they keep going through the trouble of setting up these conferences. If there is any jeet DE, it's KDE.
>>109795708>You know what is popular in IndiaI don't care what is popular among end-users in India; I care about what I use. The real Jeet DE is the one whose entire philosophy is literally called Adwaita kek.
I like Cinnamon and Nemo better. And I don't have to move the fucking taskbar back down.
>>109795734Pretty sure the real jeet DE is the one actually developed by jeets, which is KDE. Something they're very proud of, along with their non-binary mascot.
>>109795791>actually developed by jeetsShow me the Indian code.
you couldn't pay me to use Qtslop
>>109795869Here's the list of contributors: https://github.com/KDE/plasma-desktop/graphs/contributorsYou can find multiple jeets as well as pakistanis (muslim jeets)Here's one such jeet's contributions: https://github.com/KDE/plasma-desktop/commits/master/?author=bhush9
>>109796038>doesn't give a count of the Indians>links only one Indian contributor, and all he does is update the version numbers on Cmakelists.txtIt's over bro....KDE is full of Indian code....
>>109796106>gets shown Indian code as requested>dishonestly ignores all commits that prove him wrong>goalposts are immediately moved to now request a count of the Indian contributors I'm not going through all 334 contributors you coping cunt, but you're free to do so. Your DE of choice is verifiably coded by jeets with a non-binary mascot, and no amount of dishonesty on your part will change that
>>109790569That looks great! Doesn't it use too much RAM if you customize it though?
looks tranny to me, i won't use that
>>109790569round corners eww
>>109795734Baloo (Indian name, kek), the file indexing and search framework for Plasma was created by Vishesh Handa. Remember that every time you use it. Nikhil Marathe worked extensively on Kwin as well.
>>109796133>I'm not going through all 334 contributors you coping cuntWhy not? It would substantiate your claim. One Indian does not substantiate your claim, especially not one Indian whose sole job is to update CMakelists.txt ROFLMAO
>>109790569doesn't work on wayland
>>109796185>KwinKwin is the one thing I have no doubt is jeeted because Aurorae decorations are slow and KWin still hasn't moved to Vulkan
>>109790569coucou petit francophone
>>109790569lxqt is the same but better and more aesthetic
>>109790569Picked XFCE for my Debian install and then had to witness screen tearing. Fuck that
>>109797119yeah because it doesn't have the gtk3+ gayness. it's easier to theme as well IMO
>>109799157that's what a compositor is for moron
>>109790699cope and seethe bozo.
>>109790569Working Wayland protocols is necessary in the big 26.I don't think xfce has that yet
>>109793468Linux already has that.
>>109790569>no per-display workspacesInto the trash it goes.
>>109800480Do any of the other ones have that? I want that too.
>>109800491Most desktops and WMs do, even KDE got them recently, I only know of Openbox and LabWC that don't, don't remember if MATE does either.
>>109800258>Working Wayland protocols is necessaryFor what? Gaymerslop?
I switched to Budgie. xfwm4 having that window centering based on window size fuckery that may or may not work depending on your desktop theme massively turned me off from it. maybe xfwl4 will fix it and I'll try again someday.
>>109799157>turn on tear-free>install picom and disable literally everything else except display vsyncthere are much harder problems to fix than xfce tearing.
>>109800516Gnome does not have this either.
>>109800893Technically secondary displays on GNOME have their own single, separate workspace, but sure.
>>109796157when someone says this, I imagine they deep down want to be pounded by some comfy and meaty Astolfo cock
>>109800986>you don't like spiders? you must want to fuck them bro
>>109801174yes keep coping just like that
>>109801174>desperate deflectionit's pretty well documented obsession with sexual fetishes is often used to mask one's own. in this case, a homosexual crossdressing fetish that (You) seem to have.
>>109801735>it's pretty well documented obsession with sexual fetishes is often used to mask one's own.So true sis, Professor Steinberg wrote extensively about it
>>109800799>tear-free>nvidia, the most used GPUsSorry, not buying your gaymd hardware.
>>109800540Yeah, as well as for any monitor purchased in the past decade.
>>109793461GNOME
>>109801840My monitor works fine. You fucked up.
>>109801971Lmao, go to a computer store today and find me a single monitor that isn't HDR, VRR, and/or HiDPI, because X11 literally cannot support these.
>>109790699Windows abandoned it, so it's real free state.
>>109802024Again, you fucked up and are blaming Linux. Stick to Windows, it's more your speed.
>>109802106>blaming Linux????????ALL OF THESE WORK WITHOUT ISSUE ON WAYLAND ROFLMAO
>>109802162They work fine on X11, too.
>>109802173Proof?
>>109802180Would you like me to wipe your arse and tuck you in to bed at night as well? Act like an adult for once, or piss off back to Windows.
>>109802240>make trivially debunked claim >shift the burden of proof onto opponentsTrolling outside of /b/, huh?
>>109802252Linux simply isn't meant for people like you. It's not meant for people who need hand-holding and extensive explanations about simple things.
>>109802259>hand-holding and extensive explanations about simple things.That's literally what manuals are. All of which point to the existence of exactly none of the functionality you claim X11 has. It's not my job to prove your argument for you.
>>109799157>debianfound your problemuse fedora like a normal human being
>>109801840You don't need meme gaymer gimmicks like HDR, if you somehow can't find monitors that lack these features, you can simply disable HDR and the monitor will be just like a normal one
>>109790569>using xfce>no mousewhy
>>109802294>You don't need meme gaymer gimmicks like HDRWhat if I produce HDR content, fuckhead?
>>109802283>used the red hat beta testing glownegro distro like a normal citize- I mean person.
>>109802300Sounds like a you problem. Just stop being homosexual and things will get back in working order.
>>109802307Wouldn't Rawhide be the beta testing distro?
>>109802320Fedora itself is the upstream project for RHEL. Using Fedora means you're an IBM beta tester, and you do it for free.
>>109802336But all the beta testing occurs at the Rawhide stage.
>>109802371Rawhide is the beta for Fedora, Fedora is the beta for RHEL, it's done in phases
>>109802382Fedora doesn't feel like a beta to me since it's not buggy and I'm not sure why it matters that another distro happens to be forked form it. At what point does an upstream user become a beta tester? If I forked your preferred distro, would you be beta testing my operating system?
>>109802542Red Hat themselves said it best >"The size and expertise of the Fedora community make Fedora an ideal incubator and proving ground for features that eventually get incorporated into Red Hat Enterprise Linux. To meet the quality and reliability requirements that make Red Hat Enterprise Linux the choice for mission-critical applications, Red Hat puts Red Hat Enterprise Linux through its own set of tests and quality assurance (QA) processes that are separate and distinct from those of Fedora."If Fedora being an "idea incubator and proving ground for features that eventually get incorporated into Red Hat Enterprise Linux" doesn't fit your qualifications for beta testing, not much will
>>109802628All that explains is that RHEL happens to be forked from Fedora. Fedora itself is intended directly for everyday desktop end-users and is excellent at this; RHEL is not meant for everyday desktop end-users.My qualifications for beta testing are whether the software itself is beta software: Fedora is very provably stable consumer software.I ask again: At what point does an upstream user become a beta tester? If I forked your preferred distro, would you be beta testing my operating system?
>>109802672The difference is Red Hat directly sponsors Fedora for this very purpose. New features and software get introduced in Fedora, and then Red Hat stabilizes them in RHEL. This is a full working relationship, not just some random person coming along and forking my preferred distro and doing their own thing with it. Fedora is set up to be like this first and foremost.
>>109802690>The difference is RHEL directly sponsors Fedora for this very purposeValve bankrolls Arch: are Arch users now SteamOS beta testers? Are users of Debian Stable beta testing Ubuntu?And why should I even care whether Fedora is the upstream? Where do you draw the line between "upstream" and "beta"?
>>109790569I can't change to it when i'm already using it
>>109802701Valve has never once bankrolled Arch for the purpose of testing SteamOS programs and features. They collaborate with them on infrastructure, not for it to be tested in Arch, but for it to be used in SteamOS as well. Red Hat explicitly describes Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL, they fund it for this express purpose. If the explicit words of Red Hat aren't enough to satisfy you, it's clear you've made up your mind about this and refuse to see reality.
>>109802732>If the explicit words of Red Hat aren't enough to satisfy youDid Red Hat did not explicitly call it a beta. Your direct quote just describes it as an upstream. Again, where do you draw the line between "upstream" and "beta"? You have yet to answer this question, so I will stress it again: where do you draw the line between "upstream" and "beta"? Because the only RHEL beta I see is the ACTUAL beta program for RHEL (https://access.redhat.com/articles/6269401). You also previously described Rawhide as the beta of a beta; did you mean that Rawhide is alpha software?
https://github.com/tonybanters/tonarchy
>>109802768>Did Red Hat did not explicitly call it a beta*Red Hat did not explicitly call it a beta
>>109802732If you were forced to recommend either Fedora or RHEL to an everyday desktop user, which would you recommend?
>>109802820Clear user.
>>109802840If you were forced to recommend either Fedora or RHEL to an everyday desktop user, which would you recommend?
>>109802820>>109802847Not him but neither. I'd tell them to use Artix or Devuan, not a corporate distro.
>>109790699Mac and Windows copy Linux DEs
>>109802789It seems to work well enough not calling it what it is, since it gets retards like you beta testing for Red Hat for free. >It's not a beta, it's just a software environment where software gets tested first before being determined to be stable enough for their enterprise product, it's a completely different thingYou are american.
>>109790569I had to go back to tinkerfaggingI like my autumn theme, going to do a Christmas theme in a couple months.
>>109803145If you were forced to recommend either Fedora or RHEL to an everyday desktop user, which would you recommend?
>>109802283>use fedora like a normal human beingFedora, the distro that contains SELinux, created by the NSA? The distro that is funded by IBM? We should use that Fedora?
>>109803204Again, they are both shit. I would flip a coin if forced, and would have no conviction behind whatever the answer ended up being.
>>109803211SELinux is GPL. It doesn't suck because of a non-existent backdoor; it sucks because it's a control freak.
>>109803222You would have no conviction between using beta software and release software?
>>109803225>SELinux is GPL. It doesn't suck because of a non-existent backdoor
>>109803233I just told you SELinux sucks.
>>109803232I don't like RHEL or its beta and could not recommend either as a result. Both are shit and they glow.
>>109803247Anon, the question isn't about which one you like. In this dilemma, what is your strategy for maximising utility?
>>109791298How is it a useless gimmick when most smartphones come with it as a feature just for using OLED panel?
>>109803255The question was about which one I'd recommend, and I answered that I would recommend neither. Word your question better. If what you're attempting to do is ask which distro is more stable, tested and reliable, the answer is RHEL. Fedora is a testing grounds which is why updates are more prone to breaking, the flipside is that it gets support for newer hardware earlier. Again, I would recommend against using either distro.
>>109790891this.
>>109803287>The question was about which one I'd recommendThe question was which one you'd recommend between the two.>If what you're attempting to do isI'm attempting to ask you, if forced, which of the two distributions you'd hand to an everyday desktop user.
>>109802336but I do not contribute anything to fedora, I simply use their service without giving anything back
xfce has really bad and confusing power and sleep options
I use it as a daily driver, it's okay. I would prefer a taskbar but it's fine.>>109803749 is true though. Display keeps turning off after being idle for 10 minutes and I have no idea why.
>>109802336yeah and what exactly is the problem with that? if you use any product you are basically testing it. red hat is providing a great service to linux by helping to develop it so much and providing people with a great distro. whether you're using something by a big corporation or a bunch of volunteers the end result isn't really that different.
Never ever ask>a woman her age>a man his salary>a xfce user how to open the application menu by pressing the meta key
>>109790569Thunar doesn't have a clue how to share a folder over the network in 2026 for some reason, but other than that love me rat desktop.
>>109803797More things to never ever ask>a kde user his uptime>a gnome user what language his ui is written in>a i3/hyprland user how long he spent configuring his desktop>a cinnamon user how to fix screen tearing
>>109793468The indexing of file metadata is generally slow and frequently takes place. I turn off that setting when I'm on Linux too.
>>109804152>The indexing of file metadata is generally slow and frequently takes placeSo true, back when I was a boi and hadn't gotten into the foss thing, my fresh install of OSX would be spotlight indexing the drive, and it's like did I fucking give you permission to utilize my drive and system resources? And keep in mind this was in the days of 5400 rpm laptops so you felt the motherfucker being slower whenever drive was being accessed.
>>109790569Thunar is so shit it’s actually funny
>>109804478Seriously, it's the only dark spot on XFCE, otherwise I love the thing for my laptops, but my Desktop runs Mint Cinnamon and can share a folder without a bunch of fuckery for a poor man's file server.
>>109802336How the fuck are Fedora KDE users beta testers when Plasma isn't even part of the RHEL repo? RHEL only has the packages that Red Hat wants to put in servers
>>109804478>>109804494I've used it candidly for a year and haven't had any issue with it. What's your problem with it ?
>>109790569No proper Wayland support last time I looked, and it's built on ancient GTK tech which I've never been a fan of.Granted XFCE using 3gb of RAM with only a terminal and file manager open seems insane to me. Pretty sure my KDE setup uses less than 2gb.
>>109802300>i'm a prodoocer you know
>>109790569because gnome looks nice without any setup and it's probably the flagship for my distro. and i don't really do anything technical anymore so having an ipad baby interface is perfect for me.
>>109790569I love xfce but the file chooser is still trash.
