New leakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8R-bnz1MPU
What, nobody cares?
>>109799611My VR Headset was $250, and honestly that's the maximum I would pay for a VR headset.Anything more expensive is an insult to my intelligence.
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>>109799611VR is dead, who gives a shit?
>>109799849It's fun.But it's not worth the money
>>109799611>LTT>leakdo you still believe in the tooth fairy and santa claus?
>>109799870It is if you get into playing actual games that have just been modded into VR. Actual VR games are not worth it because they're all some sort of tech demo instead of a real game. Actual games ported into VR are amazing though. I'm playing Kingdom Come deliverance 2 right now and that alone is worth the price of the headset. Also played cyberpunk which was amazing.
only leak I care about is when the waitlist opens
>>109799611People will byy VR when the hardware cost will be $200. Nobody is going to pay thousands for this shit to use it for 2 hours every few months.
>>109800054It will cost no more than $999.99
they privated it. did anyone mirror it
>>109800916https://drive.google.com/file/d/10_QoDoGW3AOMg3mAUqAIaGUpL5lJqCJZ/view?usp=sharing
>>109800949thank you anon
linus is so retarded ugh is he gonna put his orange mutants in everything now
>>109800949>first 30 minutes>video isn't even 20 minutes longguessing the final one will be longer
>>109801056>His orange mutantsBut Ronald McDonald Drumpf isn't in the video and if you were referencing his kids that's not only a low blow, but they're also smarter and better than your dumb pillbilly inbred Appalachian ass in every way shape or form.
>quest 3 but worse and for 3+ times the price!
>>109800044>Actual VR games are not worth it because they're all some sort of tech demo instead of a real gameYeah no, i miss the times when VR games were tech demos. Ever since the Quest2 launched they've been devolving to nothing but gorillatag mobile graphics slop for children
>>109801812I'm buying 2
>>109801875Don't buy the 2. It's not for any of the reasons people usually say. The resolution or lenses aren't the problem, the decoder is. You are limited to way shittier decoding so your image quality will never be as good. This includes if you use a link because the quest's data is compressed even over link. The quest 3 is a huge visual upgrade because it gets rid of all the compression artifacts. You can do 500 mbps vs 300 with quest 2.
Sirs ITS UP Please redeem linus subscription he is very knowldable about computer
>>1098009164chan is also compliant and starting censoring anons. I can only imagine Valve has the legal authority to force 4chan admin.
buy an adLINUS IS A PEDO
>>109799849Never bought one,so mildly interested in Valve's 2nd gen headset.>>109800054>use it for 2 hours every few monthsPretty real problem.Even apple attempt to take vr mainstream didn't get people to want to switch to it for their computing needs.
>>109800044VRChat and Resonite are amazing experiences
>>109799611Is VR still a thing?
Not really relevant to the steam frame. But I hate Linus Touch Tips. Gross crusty ass basedboy with a voice that feels like sandpaper on my eardrums. Of course that chud is the tech guy normies flock to.
I'm excited to browse the virtual environments and settings to project my screen into.A cozy coffee shop and book store. An ornate victorian theater. A serene forest on a tranquil night. A dimly lit medieval tavern on a stormy night.I just hope the battery holds up well enough.
>>109799611>2160x2160>LCD>1000$ plus tipVery mid for 2026 at best
>>109803156>1000$ plus tipsource?
>>109803156if it's real then it's doa. q3 is 2 times cheaper while being better
>>109803156>>109805322Retards don't understand that Q3 is "cheaper" because Facebook sells them at a loss. And you're paying the difference with YOUR data, YOUR privacy, and YOUR analytical behavior. On the other hand, Steam Frame has GNU+Linux preinstalled, and it allows you to install whatever you want, even Gentoo. It doesn't harvest your data, it doesn't snoop on you. You're paying extra for not being an ad-cattle but be a white man that has FREEDOM.
>>109805362I don't use it for anything except alvr streaming, zucc can't steal my data when there is none. and you can also dekikify it using some scripts (I guess). btw there are chinese quest clones like pico 4 (they are less jewish afaik)gaben has made a useless toy with a high-end cpu and a shit ton of ram. nobody needs it
So foveated streaming is very based and could legitimately solve the issue of every single game having to be mobile slop tierHOWEVERSince it will be limited to steam frame only it will not be enough for any serious high quality games to be developedI guess I'll see it in another 5-10 years where MAYBE that'll make a differenceWith hardware prices though unlikely
Is nobody really talking about Linis' kid being a trannie now?
>>109805476>So foveated streaming is very based and could legitimately solve the issue of every single game having to be mobile slop tiervr streaming is solved, everybody has been using virtual desktop/alvr for 4+ years. it may not be ideal but the difference isn't worth 2x the price compared to q3. they should have made a slower headset with better displays because there is no usecase for a snap 8 gen 3 with 16gb of ram in a headset with no games
The amount of times he had to go "yeah it's not perfect but nothing is, it's okay, it's fine, it's still early" is baffling
>>109805484>male child of a white and mystery meat asian coupleI mean, it was that or shooting up a school.
>>109805484>>109805530Isn't that just one of the daughters?
>it's not about delivering a better product>it's about cutting the wireI use my quest 2 wireless just fine, why would I buy this?
>>109805362>and it allows you to install whatever you want, even Gentoo.source? it has a snowflake kernel full of binary blobs
>>109805362>implying gentoo or any other distro has the drivers to run any of the hardwareare you fucking retarded?
>>109805714bro is slopped beyond belief
>>109805362>Retards don't understand that Q3 is "cheaper" because Facebook sells them at a loss.I don't think that's true anymore. The Quest2 definitely sold at a loss, but these things have been in mass production for so long that Zucc probably even makes a small profit on each unit by now. The Quest3 is *3 years old*>And you're paying the difference with YOUR data, YOUR privacy, and YOUR analytical behavior. Or you can just get any other headset that's just a dumb peripheral. The PSVR2 is what... 400$?>but muh wirelessYour playspace isnt that big, stop pretending
>>109805600>>109805685>implying a Gentoo user isn't capable of compiling a custom kernel
>>109805600>>109805685>he can't install Gentoo on ARMgenuinely ngmi
>>109806180>installs Gentoo on the frame>tracking doesn't work>the two displays are treated as a single monitor>distortion doesn't work>controllers don't work>steam doesn't work>buttons don't work>wifi doesn't work>it is now essentially a very expensive raspberry piWaow!
>>109806224Just do it yourself?
>>109806224I know you're a mouthbreather who can barely get a working Arch system out of archinstall, but that doesn't mean everyone else is as retarded as you. Downloading and compiling Valve's patched kernel sources and installing a couple of userspace helpers is not that hard.
Why can't the Jews at Steam make a PCVR sku with no significant ram or storage requirements? I'm never going to use this standalone.
>>109806262>>109806275>just do it yourself>its not that hard broAlright then, when it releases we'll see if it really is that easy, or if this is dunning-kruger in full effect
>>109806128>Your playspace isnt that big, stop pretendingwireless is important because you don't think about the cable, rotate, jump, etc. not because your cable isn't long enough
>>109799611>>109800949leak?so the video wasn't intended to be posted?
>>109806568yep, it was supposed to be viewed when the embargo presumably lifts on modaybut they uploaded it as unlisted (not private...) and put it in the playlist for that channel so people saw itit's not the full review, just unboxing and very first impressions, though
>>109806577(checked)i seethanks for the response anon
>>109803156Another unfortunate victim of RAMageddon. Headsets with standalone capability are going to get fucked since they need to have RAM. Meta already was forced to raise the price of the Quest 3. At 1000 USD frame is flirting with premium headset territory while essentially being an entry-level headset. If you already own a good gaming PC you might as well double down and get a bigscreen or a pimax at that price point. And if you don't already own a good gaming PC it's not really worth the money just for a standalone tier VR experience.It's not Valve's fault. But it's also Valve's fault for fucking the dog and not getting it to market before RAMageddon.
>>109806676Valve would've cut down the RAM, 16gb with current prices is literally asking to have 1k+ price tag. I'm not even sure what's the percentage of users willing to run it purely as a standalone, and it feels like everyone is going PCVR streaming instead.
>>109806732i wish they'd just turned it into a non-standalone streaming headset. i genuinely cannot see any usecase for fully standalone use considering the battery life
>>109806732Yeah I mean it was only ever going to be an alternative option to the Quest 3 for people who are already into PC Gaming. And now I'm just not sure it's worth it.I wouldn't even recommend the Quest 3 at its current 600 USD price tag. They fucked up the controller firmware on an update over a year ago which causes them to become unstable and constantly drop into sleep mode even during use and its only gotten worse and Meta has just started to admit to the problem after years of receiving complaints but haven't done jack shit about it. No option for any kind of firmware rollback, no option to disable the controller hibernation, literally zero solution they just get some pajeet to read you the same bullshit placebo trouble-shooting procedure even thought hey now, internally, know the issue is much worse than that. And literally all the have to do is fucking roll back the firmware and not force it to auto-update. And someone mentioned PSVR2, I bought an open box one for dirt cheap out of morbid curiosity and I wouldn't recommend that either. At the PC software side of things, things are still absolutely janky, you need to also factor in the cost of the adapter and an HDMI cable because fuck you for thinking they would include one for the 50 USD the adapter costs. Then the controller connectivity is garbage unless you buy an exact specific model of bluetooth dongle and install their proprietary firmware update to it and by then you've basically paid 66% Quest 3 dollars for it and it's uncomfortable and the controllers feel like children's toys and for some ungodly reason the grips are buttons instead of analog pulls. Entry level VR is "cooked" as the zoomgroids would say.
>>109806676instead of stealing math nerds work, ai companies should use ai to figure how to make enough ram
>>109805520He’s reading from Valve Corporation PR script. This tells you that Valve knows their product sucks.
>>109806817Or they should make AI VR Coom-panions to make the money worthwhile.
>>109799849I care simply because of the ARM compatibility layer Valve is developing for this that will let me play Monster Hunter Outlanders on my PC
>>109799655I already played alyx, there's nothing else to doit was good btw, but linear with no replayability
>>109806804I will add to this and say that if you are looking to try VR but not already into it look for a used Quest 2 on your local buy and sell. People win them at wedding raffles, use them once, throw them in the closet and forget about them for 5 years and then throw them up on facebook marketplace for whatever the going rate is without looking online to see they could get 3 times as much money by parting out the controllers separately. Not the best PCVR experience, but cheap enough that if you decide you want something better you don't feel bad ditching it in an early upgrade.
>>109806766idiot cuntfucks tried to make a casual headset good for gaming, chilling and professional geek usage and forgot their shit is still on a 2,1kx2,1k lcd panel...steam frame would be insane if it actually had good lenses and a normal pricetag. it will not have either it seems. the velcro strap alone is 60.... this thing belongs in 2024.
>>109806568>leak?>so the video wasn't intended to be posted?its not a real leak. more like viral marketing. linus fucked it up and nerds took advantage of it, so they say.vid supposed to be 30 minutes long. it cuts off as soon as we would learn any useful and new information.outside the 60dollar velcro straps and wireless allegedly being as good as wired there is no new info.because everything is fake and gay I have a feeling this is just marketing.blackpill: if the price would be any good you would have heard it the first 17 minutes but linus has that concerned 'im reviewing a bs overpriced mid product' look on his face. you just know the price talk is the last segment of the video, because its negative. like negative negative.
>>109806180there a no drivers to compile in the mainline kernel it won't work on the frame
>>109807385>valve>marketingIt's just some LTT intern that fucked up desuif it was going to be actual marketing they'd leak the review not the unboxing>vid supposed to be 30 minutes longnope, it's just titled like that because it's unboxing + first impressions
MONDAY
>>109807801anonwe can just say it nowTOMORROW
>>109807440Notice how I said>custom kernel
>>109807846where are you going to get the driver source code for all proprietary hardware inside the frame?
>>109805504>in a headset with no gamesyou should be able to play a good chunk of games you can play on proton
>>109803156>I need OLED because, uuuuuuuh
>>109806128They are cheap as shit because they overstocked them and nobody buys them
>>109808228considering you can get the pkgbuild files and patches used by steam deck programs I don't see why you think frame will be different
ok, its not oled. how about the shit ppd?
>>109808228You get it after you sacrifice your entire bloodline to Gabe (most /v/edditors did this already)
>>109806224weak mindset
>>109808308steam deck is just an amd uefi pc. on the other hand the frame is a snowflake locked down arm hardware with no open source drivers. it won't even have an open bootloader
in the end they changed it back to lottery again, which will explicitly end on sept 17
>>109808451it still has a bunch of packages that have their changes available online ad I don't see why frame would be different. ARM ecosystem is more likely to be a problem, but given the fact it comes with linux preinstalled I really doubt installing other distros will be that hard
>>109808451Qualcomm can also use UEFI and the Frame likely has it.Valve explicitly said that you can do whatever with it, why would they lock the bootloader?The video driver that the Frame uses is open source, its called Turnip. Valve sponsored its development in the last years.https://www.phoronix.com/news/Steam-Frame-Turnip-Vulkan
>>109808228From the the kernel sources that Valve are legally required to release due to the GPL.
>>109805401This is such a shitty picture.Are the controllers attached to the earphones?Probably not.That's why the picture is SHIT.
>>109808270On a two year old arm cpu? No way. It is slower than deck, and even deck struggles to run proper vr games. It will probably run vive-era demos like superhot or job simulator at its best.
>>109809663That’s old news, current 2026 agenda is lock down customers to their ecosystem. Just like apple.
>>109810304>windowsusecase?
Every VR game now is either a tech demo or indieslop for quest kids. And quest kids are an unironic problem because they are a way bigger audience than pc players and at the end devs ruin their games by targeting quest. Pavlov VR has gone to shit because the multiplayer is now filled with unironic 10 year olds. before that (remember playing it around 19-21) it used to be a game with a great mature community.
>>109810362And yeah, bonelab turned out to be shit. I genuinely waited for it because boneworks is the best VR game I've ever played. but bonelab is le quirky reddit game centered around a gimmick. They also had to sacrifice their amazing level-design and make smaller maps because quest couldn't handle bigger ones.
Bet this faggot leaked it on purpose because they know valve won't do anything about it, Sony or Nintendo would've sued his ass into oblivion by now.
>steam account required for useeasy pass
>>109810526It's a computer for your face, you can install whatever you want on it
do you really expect zuck to sell this footage to someone or have petabytes of similar shit>>>/trash/85286291
>>10981034299% of video games maybe
>>109806307They're not Jews, they're arch users (troons). They are somewhat good at tinkering with loonix, but it's not the same as making niche hardware work well. It's x86 and nobody will do your drivers for you. Doing fancy UI floating in 3D space comes with a lot of hard math problems that arch troons are not equipped to solve.
>>109810821>/v/tard take on /g/every single game besides online anticheat slop that intentionally breaks linux works
>>109810596>If you don't want to pay to use the toilet you are free to shit in your pantsWhen everything about a device is tailored to a specific ecosystem, a specific store and a specific way of interaction, anything stepping outside of that will involve so much friction that it's not worth bothering. You can install linux on a Playstation5, but does anyone use it in practice? NO, it's just a bit of wank that nerds try to see if its doable for fun and then return to their desktop PC's.
>>109810814freetards overthink their own importance when in reality most big tech would unironically PAY the turboautismos so their data wouldn't poison the normal data pools.
>>109807101>this thing belongs in 2024It is 2023 hardware (snapdragon gen 3 released late 2023). They worked on it through 2024 announced it late 2025 and expected to release it shortly, but delayed since. It's late 2026 already.Rumors were that it was going to be released today. But loonis made the vid private for some reason. So probably delayed into 2027?..Hardware will be like 3-4 years old by the time users get to buy it.
>>109810304Garbage tier bait or genuinely retarded
>>109806307If you want a good wireless experience you want a wifi7 chip and a powerful decoder. Basically a mobile SoC. And in that case you might as well add some more storage and RAM and make it a Deck too.If you want a wired headset there are tons of other options , if you want a cheap but shitty and locked down PoS there is the quest and pico.
>>109811116>If you want a good wireless experience you want a wifi7 chip and a powerful decoder. Basically a mobile SoC. And in that case you might as well add some more storage and RAMWrong. Thinking this way has ruined valve ecosystem. Exactly this.If they decided to do bare minimum, high end radio and only video decoding, without putting an absurdly expensive compute and RAM in there, it would pair very well with Steam Machine.Instead of doing that, they decided to build another fucking steam deck. When quest already exists and is sold by zuck at loss. Idiotic business decisions by valve here.
>>109811081Steam Frame literally requires you to login into the same steam account on your PC if you want to play pc games.
>>109811153I'm so tired of explaining this and the people who don't want to pay for standalone will never end so there's no point in trying to inform every person, but this is /g/ and not /v/.The headset needs compute because it's wireless. It's not just wireless video that needs to be decoded, now there's no low latency connection to a PC to do everything else. The headset needs to do computer vision like slam tracking, eyetracking, and handtracking, sensor fusion with the IMUs with prediction. Reprojection to double your frame rate is best done on the headset because it has the latest pose data and you transmit native frames instead of twice the frames. All these things have more or less quality depending on the power of the SOC. Tired of people with no idea how VR works saying "just make X bro its cheaper". The only thing valve could've done was separate the compute so you can use the frame as a wired headset. But this would be a wasteful idea before ram and storage prices went retarded and by then it was too late. They couldn't delay an already slow to market headset.
>>109806128>Your playspace isnt that big, stop pretendingThe massive benefit to wireless is the feasibility to play anywhere in your house, not playing in a space wider than cable length. The reason your playspace isn't that big is because you are confined to the same room your PC is in. Cables also need pulleys on the ceiling to be enjoyable which is definitely unacceptable in the larger shared spaces in homes even if you were willing to fuck with it.
>>109811260>The headset needs to do computer vision like slam tracking, eyetracking, and handtracking, sensor fusion with the IMUs with predictionSo? How do you think older headsets functioned 10 years ago without 2023 latest gen most expensive ARM CPUs?> it's wirelessLaptop wifi modules are also wireless. You only need to interface with them.> They couldn't delay an already slow to market headsetAnd yet they did. And now it got worse. Should've thrown away the qualcomm and RAM.
>>109811346>older headsets functioned 10 years agowired to the PC, every sensor/camera required a dedicated USB slot
>>109811382I'm talking about wireless-capable ones. Even those wired ones had plenty of sensor processing done on the headset, for latency reasons. They were sending data down USB to PC already processed, only so that PC would render next frames according to new positioning.
>>109811008This is pretty trivial (it's just compositing with a global affine transform) but none of us actually care about it.
>>109799611just watched the video.My Quest 2 that is collecting dust in some drawer does everything it was shown in the video.VR is in a sad and pathetic state right now
>>109800054Why did google cardboard fail?
>>109811411>This is pretty trivialWhen hardware and drivers already exist and are stable, yes. If they "require some tinkering and tweaking the config to suit your needs", however...
>>109811346The reply wasn't for your benefit, just anyone reading, you're too retarded to understand it.
>>109811459it could not track your head in 3d space
>>109811459Stagnation of mobile hardware hits like a truck, if you think about it. Some people expected that by now there would be 8k OLEDs in every phone. Nope.Without at least 2k per eye that thing is just a toy. Modern phones have 2k in total usually. And going over 60Hz is like a big achievement for companies like applel...
>>109811469Technically it could, your phone could fuse the IMU and camera data and get at least something. Not sure if anyone ever implemented something like that. Probably required going below java nonsense level for latency. Which means custom ROMs for Androids.
>>109811489>Some people expected that by now there would be 8k OLEDs in every phone. Nope.That would be completely pointless unless you were a child speedruning myopia
>>109810304oh noes.. "locked" into linux because no driver for hardware.. (grok analyze this hardware and code and text a driver stack for insert thing recursively until it works, keep it performant and efficient, review your work and meet this scope, loop this process until successful, every time your context window reaches half capacity write a handoff.md with session notes and the master prompt and all file progress to date encoded inside it then pass it to a new session) *laughs and walks away / vidya gaems / takes nap* This works btw, I have already been doing this. the chat file drop per file limit is easy to dodge by having it split the .md into sequentially numbered files.
>>109811888It’s closed source bro, can’t edit the original files.
>>109811958You ask for analogue / community sources
>>109805533Yep.
Not buying this crap until they fix the easily smudged lenses. Every time my girlfriend gives my headset back its caked in her grease
>>109811967Steam has never allowed anyone to modify their code, Proton had to be reversed engineer to build ProtonGE. SteamOS is currently not open source and no plans for it. Steam the client is not open source.
>>109812216>>109811958Steam isn't the target, steam os is nothing but a wrapper, linux IS the target, steam os just attaches to it.
>>109811459Because it's 1/100th of a proper VR experience.
>>109799655I can't afford it, it's too expensive :(If only valve had given me a devkit
I got Tron Legacy 3D working on my Quest 3. While it looked good (especially Olivia Wilde) the 3D effect wasn’t very pronounced.
>>109812871Make sure the virtual distance of the screen is as high as possible. The depth gets more shallow the closer the screen is.
>>109812904Odd, but I did have it close. Wouldn't have watched it that way if I had to have it far back to see an effect.
>>109812089magnetic prescriptions inserts, one pair for each of you.(they can just be plano lenses if you don't want/need prescription, so just for protection)
take the diy pill, together with ls060r1sx01 screen and gear vr heeadset clone you get good clarity and decent resolution for some basic lewd vr stuff with hdmi instead of streaming and no data stealinghttps://github.com/r57zone/OpenVR-OpenTrack
>>109812871mad max fury road 3d is probably one of the best 3d films.I also recommend ghost in the shell 3d, alita 3d, ready player one 3d and guardians of the galaxy (all 3 movies)if you're into cartoons spider-man: into the spider-verse 3d is also goodall these movies available on rutracker in good quality
>>109807385>>109807453If the leak came from Youtube, why would they only have part of the video there?
>>109801812>shit out hardware>no one is buying>lower the price>no one is buyingAnd I wont be buying a quest 3 either
I'm excited to get one after I find out a way to afford food.
>>109805401Got the pico 4 pro myselfwith the 3 fbt trackerswhy pay more when i can have this and basically have 90% of the feature set of gabe's headsetI have waited years for a valve index expecting big changes only to find out they are simply making more of the same, so i ended up buying a pico 4 pro, haven't regretted that decision
>>109814721honestly seeing how shit this device is I should have bought that pico4 years ago.
Not sure why anyone would want a clunky Steam Frame when you can have the new hotness.
>>109814939mmmmm sweet swim goggles fov
No Steam VR sale. Figured that was a lie.
>>109814721I boughted q2 in 2021 and it is still enough for everything. It feels like HMDs stagnated since it released, pancake lenses are the only meaningful change and they just aren't worth paying for a new headset
>>109814939>Awful FoV>Probably no Linux support and forced Android puck>Worst VR form factorThe only good thing it does is remove the SoC and battery from the headset, everything else about it is trash. It really shows how much tardwrangling Carmack did if this is what they came out with after he left.
>>109814939That FOV is so bad the pico swan has to mog it
>>109815275>>Awful FoVGood enough>>Probably no Linux support and forced Android puckI don't care>>Worst VR form factorYour opinion is just trash. Clearly a light headset with a puck is superior for comfort.
>>109815290I have no idea what this is.
>>109815247Yeah i've been waiting for one since 2021legit they stagnated for sure, i wanted a headset with face and eye tracking intergrated and pico 4 pro is legit the only one that offers all in one set lolquest 2 could be enough for everything for sure
>>109815327Glasses are still shit. They're functional for just lenses, but not for a headset.A light headset with a puck is great, but there are many better ways to wear it.
>>109808282LCD is too slow
>>109815374Well they are bigger than Meta's smart glasses, but incorporate the same miniature tech. To me it is a major advancement and clearly the standard going forward.
>LCDs>2022 tier resolution>software is a buggy mess>somehow worse build quality than a quest 3If you spend $700 on this crap you are honestly brain dead
>QA IssuesI heard something like this from some reviewers, like 30% came in dead or something and that's why valve took an extra week between review units being out and release because too many reviewers got dead units
>>109815433$700 is optimistic, it's $1400 easy
>>109815470Rumor over the weekend was that the Steam Frame would only be in the 3 figures.
Stop bumping this thread already.
>>109815510Don't worry, I'm sure there will be 5 more threads when the price gets announced.
>>109815552Well they wouldn't be becoming red in the thread watcher every time someone posts, so that's fine
>>109815510
>>109814721Pico is 90 hzAka, it's shit
>>109811153>it would pair very well with Steam Machine.The Machine is too weak for most VR games. And this way devs get a super easy way to port their Quest games onto the Frame.
I stopped blueballing myself for this headset and just bought a mid-tier PC instead (arm and a leg, but the next 3-4 quarters will be even worse).I kinda wonder, if I wanted a headset for organic sculpting, is there something cheap that can be hooked to a Linux desktop and bypass the need for a powerful ARM? If I have a shortlist of headsets, I could camp on resale sites and maybe nab one for relatively little cash.
>>109811506You really have no clue what you're talking about
Why does Linus act like the Frame solved "the problem of the wire" when the Quest 3 is basically just a Frame already?
>>109815327>Clearly a light headset with a puck is superior for comfort.Especially when it overheats in your pocket.
>>109815384Not for VR. OLED is like half the refresh rate
>>10981588972Hz is enough as long as you are not a motion sick sissy
>>109815776It clips on the outside and had a fan out the top. Plus it can be charged when playing.
>>109815771Quest runs facebook.It doesnt just work with steam without hoops
>>109815933I don't get sick even at 60 but refresh rate is so fucking nice in VR. It's not about how many frames you see objects or your arms move or anything gay like that. It's when you turn your head and its warm butter pouring on your smooth brain. Also reprojection allows for very high frame rates and there's no artifacts for pose rotation. If you can run the game at 72fps you can reproject to 144fps. 90fps would be 180. These aren't hard numbers to hit like 120 native.
>>109815741doesn't matter 90 hz you won't see 90 hz anyway if you use VRChat because all the horrid animals using shitty avatars
>>109799655VR is a meme.
>>109815982Does VR need 5090?
>>109815384whats slow about it? The response time isn't the meaningful lag source for VR, wireless is right now. LCD is bright so you can run it low duty/persistence and still get 100 nits. I've heard people complain oled and even microoled smear.
>>109815332pico swan is bytedance(makers of tiktok), their upcoming headset that's in the same class as meta phoenix and whatever apple is working on. They are a huge chinese company and value competitive. Pico wasn't sold in US because of tariff shit but their headsets had better specs than meta.
>>109815327>Good enoughIts really not. I'm also tired of bad binocular overlap that comes with low FOV.
>>109815327>I don't careBuy an applel vision poo then
>>109816005Modern unreal engine games with UEVR is a case for the 5090. Some of those games a 5090 isn't enough.Anything made for VR is much easier to run and doesn't benefit from a 5090 except MSFS or DCS or something.There's a lot of VR Mods for games older than 10 years that also don't need a 5090. This is becoming the largest category of VR content now.
>>109815510Take a seat and talk about how Gabe is fucking up his hardware lately.
Final price prediction?
>>109816068sub 1000 for 256 gigover 1000 for 1 tb
>>109816068$899.99 for base model.
>>109816068based on the leaks the base is going to be 900-1100 with a good amount hinting towards sub-1000ergo is 60 confirmedcamera is 150 almost confirmed
>>109799611a PCVR only headset would have been priced more competitively but Steam just had to go for the larger market and directly compete with a much bigger company that is willing to sell their devices at a loss.god forbid THE pc gaming company makes a product aimed at pc gamers.
>>109816084>camera is 150 almost confirmed(and not sold on steam store)
>>109816068Cube was $1049 and valve wouldn't go to $999 which is a massive psychological difference, all over $50. But they didn't have the balls to say $1050 instead of $1049. Also this headset is around $1000+ and fucking straps and lightbleed nose pieces aren't included. There's no charger in the box, just a usb cable. There's no color passthrough when a $300 competitor has that. This all directs me to believe valve scraped at every way to make this cheaper once they locked in the mandatory feature list. And it won't fucking matter, the headset is still expensive and you are getting kiked. I would be amazed if it was $999. My guess is $1050-$1150 starting.
$1049$1249
>>109816110You don't get the plan. Valve is merging standalone with PCVR. You sound like "GOD VALVE JUST HAD TO GO AND MAKE LAPTOP OH MY GOD WHY"
there's a bundle of standalone-compatible gameshttps://store.steampowered.com/bundle/80364/Best_on_Steam_Frame_Verified/do NOT buy this yet, wait until the VR sale starts in an hour
>>109816133>you don't get the plan. Valve is making a quest 3 clone with slightly better streaming for 3 times the price!
>>109815459>>109815474>>109815969So not only is it going to be over $1,000 dollars but that money doesn’t guarantee a working VR. Also only being locked into Steam Ecosystem.Dead on arrival, literally.>>109816077>>109816079>>109816084>>109816084>>109816137The current SteamVR is over $1,000 dollars. It’s never going to be less then a $1,000.
>>109816175Was going to be flawless before the ram crisis. They couldn't turn around when the release candidate was done. It would just be more years of meta dominance and no valve headset.Truely the problem was not making an index refresh that was basically a fixed reverb G2 to get the price down to $600 instead of $1000. I heard they had actually finished a wireless index to the point that the packaging was designed but they shitcanned it.
>>109816212holy esl
>>109816212You have root access, it's a linux PC out of the box.
>this is $700
>>109816175Learn arithmetic
>>109816240This doesn't explain anything because you can get precision on the right just with bullshit motion smoothing. If both controllers were raw tracking I'd expect the bullets to be everywhere.
>>109816250That sounds like cope. What matters is how usable the headset is. You really want to pay most of a thousand bux for this garbage?
>>109799611>$1000 for something that looks like cheap plasticnah I'm good. I'll just stick with my meta quest that I use once every 4 months
Why the fuck can you buy Valve products only through the lottery? What is this bullshit? What other modern gaming console, controller or VR headset is so scarce that such measures are necessary?
>>109816240>>109816254watch the video you're posting screenshots of>>109816250you're right
>>109816137>https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/80364/Best_on_Steam_Frame_Verified/>no boneworks>no hlaI mean, who needs it? It's like quest without quest's upsides (good ports and low price) but with downsides of high end HMDs (high price, pc-bound)
>>109816254Motion smooth increases precision of holding a point but increases input lag. You need a test with raw data to see what's going on.
>>109816240lying retard>>109816261no he just edited the image
>>109816240is it only 700? or you baiting.700 is good case scenario.
>>109816261>>109816268Damn you caught me. I would post it on reddit but I don't have a reddit account.There aren't enough frames for everyone....
>>109816212>It’s never going to be less then a $1,000.Rumor over the weekend saying it was going to be in the 3 figures. A reviewer said that.
>>109816263>no boneworks>no hlait's a third party bundlethere's a sale in an hour anyway and those will for sure get on sale (hla is given for free to Frame buyers btw)
>>109816137How do I open this link in Steam? I'm not logged in to the website.
>>109816276I've heard a lot of chatter of sub 1k, and someone even saying sub 900 but that might just be currency trickery
>>109805484That's his daughter.Crazy how his kids don't even look hapa. Just straight up jungle asians.
>>109812089>>109816255Ai is getting pretty good. The flawed skin on the second one is pretty nice.
>>109816283go to the page of one of the games inside
>>109816228even before ram crisis the best case scenario would have been a sidegrade to a quest 3 for a slightly higher price (meaning only valve fans would buy it) while the pcvr only market lacks decent options that don't cost more than the entire fucking pc. Plus we'll have a quest 4 in a year that will blow out of the water anything valve can possibly make.>>109816243>uhm, ackshually it's 2.4 times the price!Hey faglord, when I said it's a quest 3 clone I left out that good ergo and color cameras are not included too, why you didn't call me out on that?
>>109816289its reference to video with a real whore and real moles
>>109816299wrong and retarded, quest 4 will rape frame though
>>109816292Thanks
>>109816302You just gave me an idea anon, thank you.
>>109816285750 and 1050.
>>109816302>video with a real whoreMay I see it?
>>109816318I'll post ick on eckard if that's true
>>109816326Please don't.
>>109816286yeah racemixxing is honestly depressive. anything that comes out at the end is at the expense of the white, while the other race greatly benefits.Is the west over?
>>109801366How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>109816422"Your parents will not recognize your children"
>>109816324just used a picture of supremeraven
>>109816430>having living parents in the big 26Ngmi
>>109816137most of those games are not very good and IEYTD and Vacation Sim are both like an hour long and 10 years old. i would pay like $10 for that bundle.
>>109816326>>109816356But what about UCK on eck? https://files.catbox.moe/7mx8d9.mp4
>>109816478
>>109816478>lil gadget in the bottom right disappeared with the duckHuh? Is it fake?
Called it, the price
>>109800054There is already VR hardware you can get for close to that, it still doesn't seem very well. But from what I've seen the most enthusiastic VR users are young kids playing stuff like gorilla tag, so maybe another generation and adults will be more excited for it. That said I'm gonna get a Frame when it releases, I'm a pretty big VR fan and I have more money than sense
>>109816615In this economy, really?
>>109816615what a piece of shit
>>109800044Mostly true but the actual, built for VR games that exist are great experiences in my opinion. But, I think the days of built for VR are coming to an end. Even Meta seems like they're giving up on it, after they realized that Zuck is an autistic retard and VR goggles are not an effective way to take over the world.
>>109816615IT'S SO FUCKING OVERDEAD ON ARRIVAL2x THE PRICE OF QUEST 3 HAVING THE SAME SPECS MINUS THE AR PARTDID THEY EVEN TRY
>>109816665>DID THEY EVEN TRYWell, HL Alyx is included for free...
>>109816665Yeah it is like 10% better overall, plus eye tracking. The extra wireless connection is not needed if you got a good dedicated router.
>>109816691holy shit it's over for meta
Kind of pathetic they don't even advertise it on the front page. Seems like they don't really care about VR. Why go to all this trouble R&D hardware, spending years updating Steam VR, developing ARM translation layers (well this one seems like it's going to be for a future steam deck) and not even make a single new game for it? $1,000 to play some 5 year old games that most people in VR have already played.
meta shills can keep sneething, I'm locked in for 1 TB
>>109816706it's on the front page now
>>109816691>THE GOYSLOP IS FREE I REPEAT THE GOYSLOP IS FREE!
>>109816706the steam machine is a troon bait failurethe frame is a shitshow that lasted 4 years just to end up like thisvr is dead.
>>109816615Look, I'm grateful to have an option that gets me away from Meta and there bullshit data collection, but holy shit, why can't it be less than $1000?
>>109816665It probably would have been ok value before the RAM price fuckery. ~1.5x a Quest 3 would have been worth it.
>>109799849i use it to have esex with whores in vrchatthey dont leave their house ever so you cant find them on dating apps. theyre much freakier and kinkier than girls who do leave their house. better than real sex. No STDs.
The frame is not the same as a quest 3 because both have shit panels, I'm not explaining anything until friday
>>109816665>bankrolls arm arch development>DID THEY EVEN TRY?Not being part of zucky's flytrap makes it an infinitely better value to me, but you do you, have fun in Horizon Worlds lmao
>1tb nvme costs less than price difference between modelsmakin me make that thinky face
>>109816810
>>109816810>The frame is not the same as a quest 3The Frame is basically a Quest 4 if Meta released one last Christmas.
arcturus.vision
>>109799611the price is really all that matters to me. I got a Quest 3 for $500, I will gladly sell it and buy a Frame instead if its not over $1000. But I really doubt it will be less than that.
>>109816859Frame is already released, anon...
>>109816665I'm still waiting for my Machine to be made
>>109816859pardon me but your poke is slow good sir
>>109816859>if its not over $1000>>109816615
Honestly, I'd probably buy it if it ever goes down to $900 or less.Right now, I just can't justify spending $1050 for it.
>>109816360>anything that comes out at the end is at the expense of the whiteI wouldn't say that's a hard and fast rule. My kids are half Chinese, but they look like Final Fantasy characters, not straight-up jungle asian like Linus's kids.
>>109816665some people will pay the retard tax because changing a regedit value to avoid muh zuck spyware is too hard.Production volume is non existant so they'll take months to go through the queue anyway. By the time valve cultists will get their frame I'll buy my quest 4 with microOLED screens for half the price.
>45min battery life on high perf
>>109816360>>109816898Just stick with Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, or Korean, and things turn out fine.its really only an issue if you go with the other "asians"
>>109816899>he thinks regedit will save himcute
>>109816615no bluetooth 6.0?
>>109816872>>109816877>>109816863Oh.I guess I'll go fuck myself then
https://www.digitalfoundry.net/features/porting-half-life-alyx-to-steam-frame-how-valves-engineers-went-from-theres-no-way-to-shipping-standalone
>>109799611Isn't this mogged by Pimax
>>109816923>he doesn't know how to use a computerNOT cute, my windows partition is just a cesspool for vidya btw
>>109816665Well it has double the RAM And that's what killed it.
>>109816818>Zucc's crap is all that exists outside of the FrameGet a better argument
>>109816084>camera is 150 almost confirmedThe color pass through camera, or are you talking about something else?
>>109816942pimax has its own set of problems
>>109816971What are they
Makes me want to buy another Quest 3 and keep it sealed in the box for when my current one kicks the bucket.
>>109816951Oh my bad, tell me where I can get a better standalone linux hmd please? Please don't move the goal post, I dont want a tether.
>>109816958yephttps://arcturus.vision/
>$1300 for the 1tb>No power cord or ergo kit included
>>109816977garbage quality control, shit drivers, no support when shit hardware breaks which happens often, product being up for preorder but then never releasing, trying to get around import fees by making you pay for a "subscription" as part of the price of the product
>>109817042You just described every recent Steam hardware product lmao
>>109817060>steam>no support
>>109816977wiredsoftware issuesquality control issuescustomer support for the aforementioned
>>109817060Valve has good support and no subscription bs though
>>109816615Why does Valve keep releasing stuff at the worst possible time?
>>109817030>Oh yeah? Here's a moved goalpost, but don't you dare move the goalpostSo when are we switching the criteria from "must be wireless" to "must have a valve branding on it"
>>109817080They fucked the dog and it bit them on the ass, just like with the cube.All of this shit was announced and teased years before RAMageddon. And while they have no control over that, it wouldn't have hit them as hard if they didn't fuck the dog
>>109817033Why would you even need this shit? meme AR applications?
>>109817116So you don't get scared by the black and white pass through image when you're looking for your dilation rod
>>109816921What is this comparing
>>109817089Nope. Doesn't need to be valve branded. Just needs to run regular open linux with an accessible desktop environment. Let's hear it.
>>109817116yepmeme AR (demos + porn), and spatial video recording for shit like gaussian spalling (basically 3d scanning)it's extremely high quality
>>109817131Passthrough video as seen through the lenses
>>109817143>spallingsplatting*
>>109817159What happened to them being black and white? Is the system color grading the image for you? That's kinda an interesting solution I guess
>>109817193You can buy a $150 module to upgrade to color passthrough. It also lets you record 3d photos and videos and make gaussian splats.
>>109817200Oh ok. Interesting how many people are interested in having the color pass through cameras, it's not really within my use case.
>>109817134>needs to run regular open linuxWhy? That's practically the same as "valve branding" and its a deliberate goalpost you set yourself. Like i said, get a better argument
>>109817042Damn those are pretty serious. What's this about a subscription?>>109817064>wiredNon issue for me but the rest are significant
>>109817220>What's this about a subscription?They charged you like $500 for the hardware and you had to pay the rest (like $600) as a subscription fee, i think at first you had to pay monthly and if you didn't they disabled your headset remotely. Then they switched to a one time payment for the "subscription", and then they stopped doing it because it was fucking illegal to begin with and only there so yo uhad to pay the import duties for $500 not for $100 or something like that
>>109817208>why do you like linux?Lmao get a load of this asshole
It's a linux pc
ill only care about VR when its in the sword art online era
>>109817280That's not VR, that's full dive
>>109817249I can use wired headsets on linux, but that's now a problem all of a sudden because the frame is out. The requirement is that the headset must be wireless or gtfo. Okay then, i can stream from linux to any popular standalone (Pico, Quest, PlayForDream, Vive Focus) with steamlink or wivrn but that's not good enough either. No bro, it doesn't have the magic eyetracked sauce, it doesn't count. Oh, foveated encoding is available on steamlink now? Yeah but it has to run linux onboard or it doesnt count, bro. Somehow it has to conveniently tick the specific set of boxes that only the frame has or its a no-go. If i said the only sane choice for a headset is one that runs VisionOS, how many examples would you be able to give me?
>steam account requiredWhat is the likelihood of somebody finding a bypass for this bullshit?
>>109817344I don't always want to stream. I want to play lightweight vr games in different rooms of my house on a relatively open operating system. I want to be able to open a desktop web browser or a terminal or whenever the fuck program I feel like on it. Apparently that's some crazy foreign concept to you.
>>109817390The bypass already exists. It's called buying it from someone else at a marked up price.
>>109817481I was referring to the device itself. Is it possible to gain root without once logging in on the device?
I got on the list maybe 5 minutes after it went live. We'll see how it goes. I was very concerned it was going to be over 2k for even the base model.
>>109817200So either their $150 add-on camera is shit, or the Frame's display stack is shit. Amazing what you can do for 2-3x the price of a Quest
>>109817436>Apparently that's some crazy foreign concept to you.These are all things you can already do with WayVR when connected to a PC. Ironically that seems to be a foreign concept to you because it wasnt made by the actual FOSS comunity instead of valve
>>109817511I was definitely not on the 1.5k+ doomposting side but I expected 1.1-1.2k for a long timea week before the drop I made my final 1049 prediction and was right (at least here in euro)I almost thought I'd overshoot since some of the rumors were more optimistic but alas.Signed up for the 256gb
>>109817532Woah cool!! WayVR lets me run linux programs directly on the hmd without streaming and bypass any fuckery on the host os? Thanks bro, canceling my frame reservation now
I'm hoping the battery life issues is down to software/OS optimisation and could improve, at least a little. Not like magical levels, but at least match the quest.
>>109817560>Thanks bro, canceling my frame reservation nowSame
>>109817568linus is just plain retarded and idk how gn managed to fuck upa dev said they got over 2 hours while streaming and I think Tested says you can stay hooked up indefinitely
>>109817613>idk how gn managed to fuck upthey put it to charge at 11W for some reason instead of the max
>>109817560>it NEEDS to be done without streamingThere is no point in arguing about this, you come into this thread with a store lottery reservation and a solid opinion on this already. Just stop trying to pass it off as the only way to enjoy linux on a vr headset
>>109817653It is the only way to enjoy linux on a vr headset without bringing along a second linux computer lmao
>>109817206I don't have much use for it either, but if one of the Frames selling points is that it can be used like a computer on your face, you would think that the best pass through experience would be a priority
>>109817685>second linux computerSo android headsets are now also considered linux computers? Good to know
>>109817741Doesn't even need to be linux, just need to be able to access most of the source code, block spying and not have artifical restrictions on which desktop programs can run. A freebsd headset would be great, but no, no existing android headset passes this test.
Can you hot swap the battery in the back for the Steam Frame? That's the only way I can imagine when partially justifying the battery life.
Even if it was $500 this is a big enough dealbreaker
>>109817900nopeat least not yet, they've been working on a different strap that has hot-swappable batteries + index-style audio, we didn't know if they were still working on it but most reviewers got told they in fact are still working on it
>>109817390>I want to buy this valve steam vr headset but absolutely refuse to make an account for the platform it's designed forWhat mental illness is this?
>>109817919>they've been working on a different strap that has hot-swappable batteries + index-style audiothat will be + $200 + tip + tax
>>109817945worth it tbhqfamalam(not for me though, but vrcfags will love it)
>>109817936same schizo who complains about zuck spying on him
>>109817953The shitty battery life was maybe the biggest disappointment for me from the LTT video tbqhwy senpai
>>109817900A battery pack in your pocket would probably be a better way to go
>>109817936>valve steam vr headset>implyingWords like "your" mean ownership, in case you forgot.I will own everything and you kikes will seethe.
>>109817980ltt fucked those up
>>109816665>QUEST 3Can your Quest 3 stream PC games with zero latency with foveated streaming?
>>109816615It's actually cheaper than I was expecting.For the amount of features it has, and considering the RAMageddon, it could be way worse.
>>109818154Not just Linus is saying that. Gamers Nexus and Tested have reported similar numbers.
>>109818379here's numbers from dave2d
>Most reviews cautiously positive>Already seeing reacting-to-reviews/comments content going full doomer negative about it going up on YT Ah, it's so tiresome.
>>109818408Alyx is a pretty heavy game for that kind of hardware, so honestly just over an hour running it locally sounds realistic.Anyone try any battery pack tests yet?
>>109817532I love WayVR but it desperately needs QoL upgrades
>>109818507>Anyone try any battery pack tests yet?nope, but the battery is about 22Wh so with a battery pack you can easily double the playtime
>>109818236I think they're deliberately eating a little of the cost of the 256GB SKU to make it not look as bad, hoping to make up for the difference with 60$ accessories
>>109818408Pushing 3.5 hours on PCVR bears the fuck out of Quest 3. You're lucky to get the advertised 2
>>109816917>Just stick with Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, or KoreanI do. They get very sticky.
valve having its midlife crisis because selling cosmetic microtransaction dogshit isn't filling the void anymore lol
>>109818038ntaWell I mean I'm sure they wont stop anyone from programming their own software to control and use the headset, but you can't really blame them for prioritizing their ecosystem first.
>>109818889>prioritizing their ecosystem firstBullshit. This isn't about "prioritizing," they did it with the Deck and Machine. You can access root of both of those devices without signing in. They just didn't do it with the Frame because the Overton window for VR devices doesn't require them to. Valve niggers can get off free without any bad PR with this and they know it.And still, you'll have Valve shills start making up excuses why its warranted for some retarded backwards reason. At this point Vavle fanboys no better than Nintendo man-children.Valve doesn't lose or have to do shit by giving this option besides coercing some users into accepting their dogshit terms. Their marketing is tantamount to fraud.It's not about money or technical issues. This is about control.
>>109817030The only other one that exists that I know of costs 5000 dollars and isn't for gaming and is built with he most anemic hardware imaginable, it does have actual kindo station wagon tier wood paneling tho.
>>109817532We are talking about on-device.
>>109819074>They just didn't do it with the Frameproof?
>>109817200>Steam Frame: "Four Screenplays of Ingmar Bergman">Quest 3 "Loup Scioonpdays ol Ingnnsr PerQnnonlmfao miss me with Zuck's AI generated bullshit
>>109819141Why should we care if it's on-device or not?
>>109819171I mean, in terms of resolution the steam frame add-on mogs even the AVP (see >>109817143), it's actually quite impressive the quest looks as good as it does
>>109819156https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD-QHvRv-q4&t=151s>Steam Frame requires a Steam account to use.If they did add the option they haven't mentioned it and that video is still false advertising; although admittedly better than the seeming fraud.
>>109819221I really don't expect them to include tinkerer-tier instructions in a quick start guide tbhq
>>109819171I recommend you see an optometrist.
Spec wise what's the best headset on the market right now?What's the best spec-wise that also streams wirelessly from PC?
>>109819269I recommend you see a neurologist
>>109815771Quest 2 has great wireless support too
>>109819928bigscreen or pimax for resolutionframe will be best in class wireless pcvr
>>109819221I mean that's probably true for using all the advertised features, but I don't think they lock you into it
>>109820111>>109815771frame load balances between your wireless network and through a private wifi networkso hypothetically you don't need the dongle at all if you have some absurd WiFi 7 ubiquiti setup in your house and can just stream your video games from your PC from one side of the house to the other
>>109817505Give it a few months and you will have your other spins, It was the same with the Eck
