And you being an elitest little cunt is exactly why normies stay on Mac and Windows, and as as result Linux barely gets support because developers don’t find it worth it due to barely having any market share
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>>109803359
meant to reply srsly but then i see
>tripfag
back to GNOME for me thx.

>>109803359
>it's way more enjoyable to initiate commands
For you.

Yes, only NixOS is a valid choice. You should also start with DWM from scratch.

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>>109803399
I'm not an elitist cunt

I'm just trying to teach the new users how they can use Linux the correct way

Dumbing down the experience for them will have worse consequences on the entire state of linux, linux will become as basic as windows if we don't stand up and say something about it

But I like using the mouse.

>>109803428
The way you talk makes it seem like you'd be easily rapeable. Sorry. I probably shouldn't be telling you that but it just came out.

>>109803428
You do realize that gatekeeping is a very elitest thing to do, right?

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>>109803461
It's very elitist I must say, but not in a malicious way.

>>109803359
>you cannot use your linux distro the same way you use windows or macintosh
Why not, when we literally do can?

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>>109803359
only if it's GNOME or KDE
XFCE and others get a pass
I mean, XFCE even puts the terminal in the first position in the dock

>>109803359
linux feels inconsistent and a bit tedious to use. i do work on my computer. i have hopped too many des and wms. i have been minimalist and maximalist. its all going to hell anyway and getting more and more bloated. i fucking hate flatshit too.

i program on my computer. im not interested in your retarded autistic set of 500 keybinds. the moment i take a few month break from my computer and come back i will have forgotten all of it and suffer dearly for it

server os is server os

>>109803489
all elitism is malicious

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>>109803527
trve, respect the rat

>>109803359
No, the point of Linux is that it's foss. I get an open operating system with a nice desktop gui and a local llm to deal with all of the console bullshit.
Microsoft can suck my dick.

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>>109803535
Alright dude....You've won this one, I'm wrong...

>>109803545
why are freetards always throwing homoerotic insults at microsoft? whats really going on here?

>>109803527
>*squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak*
>...
>*SQUEAK* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *SQUEAK*

>>109803359
>retarded statement
>tripfag
>avatarfag

please kill yourself nigger

>>109803603
It's not homo if they are the top.

>>109803608
whats happening

>>109803623
then what about >>109803538

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>>109803627
>*squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak*
YOU
>*SQUEAK*
DON'T
>*SQUEAK*
WANNA
>*SQUEAK*
KNOW.

>*squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak*

>>109803359
Retard

>>109803535
Do you say that at job interviews?

>>109803642
I... do..

>>109803359
the purpose is to get things done, no one who is working uses tiling window managers or pisses away time on shell commands that aren't necessary.

>>109803761
Some webms on 4chan aren't playing for me for whatever reason, but I can still download them, and view them via link in mpv. So, I added the following lines to my i3 config:

for_window [title="mpv_popup"] floating enable
bindsym $mod+v exec mpv --title="mpv_popup" $(xclip -o selection clipboard)

Now, whenever somebody posts such a webm, I can just copy the link address and press super+v, and the video will play in a floating window. DE's are literally gay and hamstrung. You can't do stuff like this in a DE with just two lines in a config file. WM's are much more streamlined, after you put in the effort to make them that way. This is just one menial example.

>>109803864
>it is sometimes useful to do things via command line
That wasn't the point OP was making.

>>109803875
That isn't the command line, desu. It's two line of an i3 config file, which is exactly what OP was talking about.

>>109803885
>>109803359
>It's more optimal to use Linux by commands, and any desktop environment that lets you cheat your way out of commands is robbing you of an enjoyable and productive experience

>>109803898

mpv --title="mpv_popup" $(xclip -o selection clipboard)

Is a command, it's just not being run from the command line, but, instead, by the WM when I press a key. There's no way to do this without using the command, and if you use a DE that hides the terminal for you, the idea to do something like this to solve a problem would never occur to you at all.

the way i see it, a desktop environment/GUI tools is for convenience. it doesnt replace the terminal but its a nice supplement. i prefer to install and update packages with the terminal, but navigating the file system is often more convenient with a file manager.

>>109803908
See this >>109803915? A desktop environment doesn't remove the ability to do that. OP is claiming that desktop environments make things "too easy" and therefore less enjoyable. He's like audiophiles who use music to listen to the technical performance of their audio systems, rather than using their audio systems to listen to music. Linux was made to do things, and that's what most people use it for. But as with other things, some people are interested primarily in the technical process itself.

>>109803915
I disagree. There are only a select few usecases where I prefer to use a file manager over the terminal, and those would be where I want thumbnails for images and videos. Esp in those cases a file manager is nice b/c you can ctrl click on individual files in order to move all your selections at once. In most other circumstances, though, I'm worried about either a single file or the entire directory, and can just tab-complete. Whatever the filemanager provides in that circumstance doesn't outweigh the convenience of having whatever command I need immediately available w/o having to right-click and open in terminal, anyway.
>>109803935
The mindset behind using a wm is that 1.) your windows are placed in such a manner that suits your needs according to your wm choice and configuration, and 2.) that x,y,z commands are run when you press, a, b, and c, keys. You have to be at least somewhat more technically minded to make a wm into a more enjoyable experience than a DE, and WM's offer a much more streamlined UX for a technically minded user. You can ultimately do the same sorts of things in a DE, but it takes more steps. You don't get simpler than 2 lines for a keybind and a window rule.

>>109803961
>I prefer
And other people have different preferences. This should not be news to you.

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>>109803609
Only reasonable post ITT

>>109804001
I am amicably discussing said preferences with another user of the website, anon. I'm not sure why you think that's a problem.

>>109804008
Discussing preferences is not a problem. The problem is pretending that one's personal preferences are the only legitimate position on a topic, as OP did.

>>109804095
We should delete all DEs forever. I fully agree with OP. Linux should be a cli-first OS, and i would prefer that it's users and hobbyists understood the basics of the cli and shell scripting. It's not possible that any DE can provide a more streamlined UX than what can be accomplished with a WM + intermediate shell knowledge.

well the problem is that when most people use a computer they want to use GUI applications. like web browsers or games or image viewers or editors. i mean for most people thats the main value of a computer. and if you are using GUI applications you might as well be using a GUI desktop environment too

>>109804136
WM's are gui.

>>109803864
I can do this with a couple configs or xfce or KDE, or hell even a couple lines of AHK on windows. This is not some giga esoteric thing only WMs can do.

t. Proud XFeCEs user

>>109804167
You can also do this with sxhkd in any linux environment. I never said that it couldn't be done without a WM, but in order to do it without a WM, it takes extra steps, like running AHK on windows at all, or even having a sxhkd daemon running. None of that resizes or places the window, either.

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>>109803359
if you don't use your own distro and package manager you are a noob and your opinion is worthless triptard
>>109803864
>Some webms on 4chan aren't playing for me for whatever reason
so your troon setup is broken and instead of fixing it you use a troon workaround

>>109803399
It's not marketshare, it's the fact the only stable ABI on Linux is Win32. Quite literally not worth porting shit to it. Hell, looks like the Saints Row 3 port either doesn't start on modern distros, or the constant stuttering makes it unplayable. Old Linux binaries are near fucking impossible to get working unless also being run on Linux distros from the time, and their repositories still work to download dependencies.

>>109803428
Opportunity cost, bitch. You're just mad you couldn't cut it at a real field like engineering, so you use Linux to tell yourself how smart you are.

>>109804179
How is it "extra steps" when that is literally just part of the configuration process? If you are going to use sxhkd (don't need to because literally every DE ever has the ability to react to custom hotkeys built in), you will configure it to run on log on? Why do you pretend like I have to double click on some icon every time I log in? Same for AHK. You can use the task scheduler in Windows for the same purpose.

>none of that resizes or places the window either.
xdotool does, on Xorg based DEs atleast. And nothing is generally stopping a DE from having this as a feature besides nobody asking for it.

>>109804227
Meaning that it's an extra step to configure the hotkey because now you have to have a daemon running alongside of your WM/DE, and now you have to chain an xdotool command alongside launching an application.
instead of a WM config with one command, you have a de + it's settings + a daemon + it's config + 2 commands

>>109804179
>>109804227
I say this as someone who on his secondary Windows machine has a whole batch of programs and AHK scripts running to Kill explorer.exe (The Windows Desktop), and then mostly use a wide set of my custom hotkeys to get shit done just in dwm.exe and also uses icebox on the side with XFCE on my primary machine.

I get your enjoyment of WMs (although I've never found tiling WMs appealing), and cli minimalism, but to say that it somehow adds functionality instead of streamlining your exact way of using your PC (the real usecase), is disingenuous.

are you aware that terminals in linux are also friendly abstraction layers? i mean its not like you are even more closely interacting with the machine. its an interface just like a GUI is

>>109804253
>fake credibility
>unfounded accusation
You could just explain why you think that it doesn't add any functionality, or why you think I said that at all, or why a quantitative # of features ultimately = "functionality" and not bloat and overlap, but you're disengenuous.

>>109804242
Okay? How is that bad in any capacity besides "It's using another 0.3 Megs of your memory" and "You allocated two more PIDs(one for a few milliseconds at best)"

>More lines of config
It's really not. At best it's one additional line when I have to use xdotool, but that's a fine tradeoff in using literally any sceipting language. +1 Lines of Config isn't a real downside to anything.

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>>109803359
>Reddit spacing
Knowing how to do things without a GUI is good but having a GUI is objectively more efficient for a person in a lot of normal desktop situations.

>>109804269
It's more work to do simple things. The resources used on the computer are important, but worse is having to use more tools to do the simple task that should require only the bare minimum. Also, when you use quote brackets, try to make sure I actually said the shit you are saying I am faggot.

>>109804279
WM's are gui.

>>109803399
>why normies stay on Mac and Windows, and as as result Linux barely gets support
Current Linux market share:
35% of all web-connected devices
63% of servers
72% of mobile devices

>>109804292
Oh yeah I guess I forgot what OP was saying originally. Nonetheless picrel still stands. Just replace ubuntu with KDE and arch with i3/dwm

>>109804264
>>fake credibility
I get that you don't consider someone also using more command line oriented options a benefit to their argument, but I literally do that brother. Fym "fake"?

>Why it doesn't add functionality
Because it doesn't. You posted an example of how it's supposed to and I told you how it's literally just a little more work, if not exactly the same, in most DEs. If your functionality is "Tiling", then sure I guess a tiling wm is more efficient for that, but that hasn't been your point in this entire thread.

>not bloat and overlap
Why do you think I don't think it's bloat? Why would I be using a minimal dwm based environment on Windows if I didn't think the DE was bloat? Them being bloat or not is entirely separate from the topic.

>>109804304
The very fact that you think the shit you said gave you credibility is a self-snitch that you were saying bullshit to create an air of credibility so you could smuggle in your accusations without substantiating them.
>You posted an example of how it's supposed to.
How does using a feature of all WMs already have suggest that I am making the case that they "add functionality?"
Keep smashing words together, retard.

>>109804283
Sure, and also fucking irrelevant here. A less cli oriented default experience does not exclude you from using the same skills to get the same results. Again motherfucker, that's not even the topic. Decide what you want to flame on before you make the thread.

>Please quote me verbatim
Yeah, no. If I got the spirit of what you said wrong, feel free to point that out.

>>109804326
No, you deliberately lied about what I said and used a deceitful tactic in order to do so because you think you're clever, even though you're an insufferable person who goes out of their way to confuse shit that people say so that you can feel as if you're winning something.

>>109804326
>A less cli oriented default experience does not exclude you from using the same skills to get the same results.
Yeah, it just takes more steps, mr. bailey.

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>>109803359
>anyone who disagrees with me USES LINUX WRONG!!!!!!!!!

>>109804316
>The very fact that you think the shit you said gave you credibility
Holy shit what a faggot. If you think you using i3wm gives you credibility to try and dictate my choices, me using icebox and a dwm mutant gives me too. Suck that shit up, and stop being a special little bitch.

And adding functionality over DEs your faggot, which was clearly your point.

You clearly just want to turn this into a shitflinging contest so I'm out but I should have been warned by the tripfagging.

>>109804359
No, i don't rely on "Look at me and the shit I do" to say "you're disengenous" without providing a reason why. That's all you nigger. Keep seething faggot.

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>>109804367
>That's all you nigger. Keep seething faggot.

>>109804367
>He says in a thread where that's all he does
Kek.
Sorry, monkey brain. Irresistible urge to give a (You). You won.

>>109804370
How am I projecting when you did exactly what I said you did? Can you use reasons without leaving shit out or making shit up that nobody said?

>>109804376
>How am I projecting
You are still projecting

>>109804378
>lies again

>>109804380
>continues projecting
It's okay. I understand your mental retardation. I am here to help.

>>109804376
If you conveniently ignore the fact that I made the post immediately following the post where I answered how you can do that literally everywhere, yes it does conveniently sound like I am the faggot. Funny how that works. Great eye man, I'm learning a lot of things.

>>109804376
Who invited this faggot?

>>109804388
>>109804390
>>109804396
All me

>>109804390
Except that your way of doing includes more steps and that you accused me of being disingenuous based on something I never said or suggested.

>>109804409
It was disingenuous because you said it takes "extra steps", when it's literally just part of your DE configuration process, a literal one time deal. That's not extra steps, that's like the same step as you installing your WM dude. If you can't see that, then I'm not sure what I can even say to you.

>>109804425
How is your DE and WM configuration process a one-time deal?

>>109804425
>"It's disingenuous"
>proceeds to be disingenuous

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>>109804428
Configuring AHK or sxkhd to launch on boot is a one time deal. Editing your Singleinstance AHK script or your sxkhd config is exactly the same one step process as editing your i3wm config.

>>109804431
Mhm, sure. I totally see your point there. Great catch.

>>109804439
Whether it's a one-time deal to install it doesn't mean configuring them is a one-time deal that you never return to, and if you don't have them running or installed, you have to install them, learn them, and configure them, which requires more effort than just learning i3 or some other wm.

>>109804434
damn gnome btfo

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What is the wrong with all of you fighting here? Just quit it already, We are brothers here, Just because you have differences doesn't mean you have to make it into a big fight

I'm disappointed in both of you.

>>109804439
>My objectively more complicated thing that has more steps doesn't have more steps
>You're disengenous because of the things I do on my computer

>>109804455
It's an unreasonable nigger who uses the website to make it unusable shit for everyone by acting incapable of having a reasonable discussion.

>>109804449
Configuring them is the same as configuring i3. If you want to change a binding, you edit the config file as simple as that. How is that extra simple on i3? Do you psychically command your config to change? Is that the knowledge I was missing?

>which requires more effort than learning.
And double clicking the file explorer on your desktop is simpler than clicking Thunar? This was never on the table, especially when the complexity is this marginally higher.

Let's get this sorted first. What do you envision the process I'm suggesting to be?
Do you think I have to reconfigure AHK or say sxkhd everytime I change the script somehow? I just change the script, that's it. Exactly the same as what you do on i3.

>>109804465
Okay I apologize for his annoying behavior

But you need to calm down bro, the entire board caught a wind of y'all's fight

Just chill out