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I'm a student right now, what is the best thing one can focus on to make sure they land a job in today's market? Are soft/social skills more important than knowing how to code/use AI smart in itself?
>>109808874Tech jobs are in demand in Japan, specially for foreigners
>>109809009Good luck finding one that doesn't require fluent jap
>>109808874make the next thread with this image please
>>109808874this will trigger some grads lmao>>109808886>>>/g/utwg>>109809031>use this image so that jannies can delete the next thread please
>>109809009You will most likely not enjoy working as a programmer in Japan. You will not be allowed to create anything you can take pride in.
>>109809009Lies and damned lies. You lack statistics.
>>109808886Social skills are always paramount. >coding/AI 'skills'fuck that. Learn business management and business law, talk to, and keep in touch, with your classmates. That's an investment.
>>109808886>Are soft/social skills more important than knowing how to code/use AI smart in itself?No, they are equally important.>>109809009Too bad Japan has a toxic work culture. I don't want to feel forced to drink with my boss at 10pm after work. I don't even drink alcohol.
I have a mate working in Japan at a small engineering film and they have to come in one saturday of the month to clean the office (for free)
>>109808886If you want a job, they are 100000000x more important. The only skill that even matters. The people with the longest, safest employment are inevitably the social people who literally can't do hello world without AI assistance. Not a new trend either, it's been like that for over 20 years. IT used to buy nocode tools specifically for these retards instead of firing them to get people who can program instead.
>>109809156sounds comfy
>>109809156>only 1 saturday a monthl m a o lucky bastard who doesn't work in a black company like japan's largest broadcasting company.
>>109808886The only education that guarantees a job>related to finance (not business, the people who handle money like banks or investment firms)>repo guys once everyone is too broke to make payments>air conditioning repair men because some places are too hot to exist inEverything else is cope
>>109809178I have an apartment that you can clean. It's very comfy.
>>109809234honestly if it wasn't because my parents paid for my tuition, i would've loved working in hvac
>>109808886You need to be good at everything and even then there is no guarantee.
>cafeteria always has a huge selection of tasty food>have to restrain myself lest I become a fat little chudnobody could understand my suffering
>>109809755embrace the fatnesst. guy who just at a jar of peanut butter in one sitting
>>109809771think I would rather die than become a disgusting fat subhuman
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>>109809813meh. it's still an upgrade for me. thanks babe
>>109808874>wrote a ton of code>didn't get any credit for it>said fuck this shit, never again>became an IP lawyermakes sense to me
>>109808886beyond the ability to communicate (read, write, present) effectively...social skills are useless as there is no limit to the lies and backstabbing needed to get to the top, you will always lose out to the ruthless psychopaths.focus on an engineering field that does not involve being keyboard clacker monkey all day.marketing and business is utter trash and everybody knows it; must more backstabbing and professional lies.
>Have a IT department wide Teams chat for a scrum in the morning>400 members, however it's optional to join and listen, 1 person from each team must attend>Someone posted in it 3 hours ago asking for a domain admin password to be sent to them via teams or email so they can "fix an error"Things like this keep me up at night.
>Department wide meeting>Suggest an idea>"Sounds good but we'll park this for now">1 month later, department wide meeting>"I've expanded on my previous idea, this script will lower downtime and manhours for X tasks">"Thanks anon, upload you're script and we'll take a look">Next meeting 1 month later>Manager from another team>"And I'd like to thank anon (not me) for making us aware and providing the script for this"It's finally happened to me. The other person who is being credit for some bizarre reason is way more senior than me so it's not a fight worth pursuing. Guess I'll never do anything every again outside of my contract requirements.
>>109810772Get that shit in the wiki, bro. Sucks you have to play that game though.
>>109808886Go into healthcare and not tech.
>>109808886switching majors to something that has an amount of entry level positions somewhere near the amount of people applying for them.
>>109810772>he does it for freejust don't.
Learn to farm
>Working as local IT tech full time>already have a non-tech BS >work offers funds for schooling, signed up for online 18 credit undergrad certification program for computer programming>starts this week and is focused on Java initially then C++, it has a data structures and algorithms classIt's free and I'm kinda excited to learn the basics of programming. Don't really see it helping with work but I'd like to be able to understand this stuff and maybe make my own stuff
>>109808886You need to looksmatch your boss. Companies don't like hiring ugly people.
>>109808886>I'm a student right now, what is the best thing one can focus on to make sure they land a job in today's market?Philosophy, math, physics, CS.Essentially you need to make yourself effective and understand how to be a leader and communicate your ideas. Then you can use that to create value and people will pay to have you near them. There's not one thing, you just have to be good.
Reminder: practice extreme patience and minimize your neuroticism. You won't get fired, and you wI'll get a sevrence package before moving to Hangzhou.
>>109811416>HangzhouKino
>almost mondayfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKFUCKING END THIS WORLD NOW
>>109811416>minimize your neuroticismhow? pls give some pointers, detailed instructions if possible even
>>109809009Tech jobs are in demand in Japan for JEETS. How tf are you NPCs still so fucking politically illiterate and this confidently wrong in 2026? You tards need to stop focusing on jeetcode and trivial tech minutiae and broaden your awareness of ongoing politics if you want any chance at all of escaping eternal serfdom. Literally every country that has been importing jeets lately has been using the "tech/cybersecurity talent shortage" excuse for the past 5 years. This has been an ongoing plan since 2010 a la the "learn to code" movement which was created and pushed by all the FAGMAN companies. They helped India create the Digial India program which trains jeets to become coders. Now 16 years later every tech company is reaping the rewards and replacing clueless NPCs like you with cheap, jeet slaves.
>>109811620you are doing better than this guy >>109811586I goon, workout, eat (not good), sit in the sun, etc to take the edge off. I feel comfier when I don't drink coffee, but caffeine adds color to my world
it's an existential dread before monday kinda sunday
It's.... Monday! Time to meet with other tech savvy guys and make enemies, fight INviDualIst horde, and do super cool meetings where you larp as business person!Don't forget your coffee, breakfast, & shot shark
>>109811800>existential dreadThis happens to me every Sunday evening at around 8. I fucking hate it. But at least I get to work from home most days.
gonna get leg lengthening surgery so I can quit my tech job and become a full time mogger
>>109812086SEX
>>109811416>2026>severancelol, lmao
>>109812727I can recommend. Pain and cruthes are temporary, but swag is forever. Everyone takes you more seriously. Together with MBA it's 100% way to the managieral club.>>109813049No. Boys do not sex, only pure.
Will investing time on HN or lobsters help me get a job?
>>109813371HN yes, lobsters no.For HN, you have to play the show HN roulette and clarify you are doing a bunch of learning projects while looking for a job, or that you're building things as part of trying to make a startup, or something like that.
>>109813196i know this artist and he draws lots of sex>>109813371>HNno, they only hire le cracked azn redditors and all the vc money is spent in closed loops you are not already wealthy enough to enter>lobstersyes, but only briefly until you are executed by abbos like it's a fucking mid 2000s al-qaeda video
>>109813371>lobstersloltake one look at the modlog and see for yourself, the admin literally just went full retard like two says ago and banned like 20 accounts
I am going to be optimistic that this week is good!
Anything useful on LinkedIn Learning?
>>109814606I know it's racist but you really do unironically need to filter out any creators from the sub-continent.Also don't pay for it. The quality level is generally low even if you stick to European or American lessons. You'll be pissed if you actually spent money on it.
codes is very hard job
I think now is a good time to take a break. 2-3 years from now millenials will take over and I think they'll understand the whole "burnt from AI" bullshit.
I can only describe what I'm going through right now as a last meal before the execution. There's nothing to do, beyond throwing a few prompts at AI, which they force me to do. This is, almost literally, free money in my pocket. The chance that this isn't known by the higher ups is 0%.
>>109814807>The chance that this isn't known by the higher ups is 0%.They don't really care about us. Like literally. When they do layoffs it won't even be strategic but a cointoss/shotgun firing. They literally have no brains up there. Probably using AI to "hmm which department should I fire"
>>109814788lol millennials are only going to make everything even worse
>>109814818I don't know why you're mad at these questions. They'll literally filter out the immigrants you so hate.
https://x.com/Slatzism/status/2053955955508019269
>>109814807C-level leadership don't see individual people. That's just not something they have any cognizant feelings about.You finding a way to make your own job ridiculously easy isn't going to flash a red light somewhere indicating that you'll be laid off.Those guys will examine product performance every quarter and match them with whatever fiscal year objectives they have and then plan layoffs accordingly.
>>109814675Damn, AI is regressing fast.
>>109813561>i know this artist and he draws lots of sexWhy would you tell me that?I use e9 to not see such things, male/male is for happy stuff.>>109813371What about using these sites to make friends, instead?!
>>109813087what did he mean by this bros
I have to meet with the fat slob today
>>109810772Should have plastered your name all over it so when it runs>did the needful X is such a badass for saving company time and money
Do you guys actually enjoy working in tech?I'm a programmer right now but i'm thinking to quit to do something else entirely. I get very mad when I can't find a solution quickly while working (Except for personal projects where I don't have a deadline) and I feel that other jobs where I have to think less and do more, even with a more strict deadline, would suit me better. Am I a brainlet?It pays well but I will lose all my hairs someday
>customer wants to speed up process and throw task that break current architecture with impossible timeline >retard boss accept everything and throw problem at team without estimating how long it would take>"nooo you have to use muhh agent kit, muhh ADE ", and process ignore the correctness of the spec>timeline so short that senior just generate everything, doesnt even bother checking document or design literally nobody cares about software quality anymore, now they just want to produce slop fast and ignore reality thinking that AI would solve it all and here I am worrying about the details like a retard, fuck this gay shit
>>109815624yes, same. I want to meet on my 400k savings or work at Starbucks and fuck colleague gen alpha pussy
>>109815689We have gone from waterfall, to agile to "Push it to prod fuck it and fuck my life"
>be attending a meeting online>decide to use "mute mic" button on the keyboard instead of muting teams in its window>scroll chinz during meeting>see a retarded post>"damn what a fucking chud lmao">"I am sorry somebody said something?">mfwFucking microsoft jeets can't even mute the mic properly
>i get to send a rejection email to a company after going through the technical interview because they didn't tell me the salary range beforehandfrankly, a waste of my time.put it in the damn insertion bozos.
>>109814807AI is just making you skip more steps in the development cycle. You'll be given more tasks in the near future to compensate.
>>109815830is he okay?
>>109810990what kind of healthcare?
>>109816301uhhhh ludditebros... is it over...?
>>109808886>Are soft/social skills more important than knowing how to code/use AI smart in itself?Absolutely. It's not what you know that'll land you a job but who you know. Some of my friends landed lucrative jobs and contracts just by attending the same parties as the people with power and proving they were "chill dudes." Also helped they're not creepy foreigners.
>>109814675Amazing how the original video sent hundreds of thousands of people into a yearslong death spiral of seething.
This is the bad place.
Checking out LinkedIn posts about "questions I was asked in an interview" is fucking demoralizing.
>>109816390Americans invented jeetcode and now they can suffer under it.
>>109815689My boss actually had solid technical skills before AI, but now he’s just pushing slop onto everyone and prematurely adopting every new tool. I’ve lost a lot of respect for him because of that. It feels like there’s nothing new I can learn anymore. Or is it what manager do nowadays and I'm becoming one of them?
>>109816390>What's one time you had a fight with a colleague, and how did you resolve it>Tell me about a time you followed company policy when you were skeptical and it led to positive results>Can you share a story about a time you triggered the company's security policy?>Please tell us about a time when you were on vacation and the company had a crisis because of your absence. How did you navigate that?>What's one time you had to make a personal sacrifice at work to ensure a colleague could succeed?
>>109815624Yeah, I kinda fucked up and moved to a technical role that reports only to the business team and it's been so fucking retarded. >no proper processes >impossible asks all the fucking time>stakeholder controls the deadline/project>requirements are non existent>no scope control
>>109816301>told investorssus>expectssus
>Minor issue at work>Correct woman on the problem>She goes to boss and bitches>Boss grabs another woman on the team to mediate>She comes back with the other woman to apologize to me>Other woman who has been here and in the industry for a decade shakes her head and says "dumb bitches ruin everything"
>>109816574and then she touched your peepee and everybody clapped
>>109816596Based
>>109816574wife materialcool story tho
>>109816492>The entirety of the Agile system depends on good requirements/scoping>everyone uses Agile>no one produces good requirements/scopingand therein lies the biggest part of mental hell in tech
>>109816610I wonder how many people get fired for calling coworkers out on their bullshit because HR determined everything is harassment?
>>109816612I'm definitely going to get fired since I'm pushing back on it but they keep asking me vague questions on how they want to resolve something and I'm like"Happy to help! The moment we get proper requirements and a gameplan, I'll be more than willing to step in to assist." and they get mad at me and shit going "grrrr you should be the one to find the requirements." and I'm like wtf no how the fuck would I KNOW what you consider successful or not. Fuck half the time they come with me to optimize workflows without telling me their workflow and for me to figure shit out and I'm just like to my boss "this is fucking retarded" and he's a dickmuncher and just goes "nothing we can do shruggggg, try to do the best you can :) winky winky"
Is the only option for managers to fire out burnt direct reports and rehire? Once they're gone, it seems impossible to get them to a productive state.
>>109816724pay them more money or fix your company
>>109816679Yessir that is why I quit my last job. Couldn't take it anymore. We aren't supposed to be fleshing out the real requirements on the PR after I already did the work to satisfy the original ones.
>>109816842We did give them a 10k bump. They're still a useless sack of shit because a shit project and some dumb consultants and internal coworkers hurt their feelings.
>>109816907Replace them with 50 Indians for the 1/10 of the cost.
Do you think global it is going to know or care if I make my agent talk to me like a cat girl?
>>109816938It's a serious question. Please no meme answers.
>>109816679Literally me, but you must be young or new to this aren't you?
>>109816907>10k bumpwow that's like the difference between shopping at walmart and shopping at whole foods. life changing.
>>109816959>>109816724You could try to figure out what the sources of burnout are rather than assuming that it's just a person being arbitrarily naughty. Because it's likely to just happen again if you have some serious systemic issues plaguing your engineers.
>>109816724Depending upon the state that's like 400$ extra a month. Sure if you start paychecks at 40k thats a big deal but higher up people are going to be motivated with 30-40k and most people leave for 20k pay bumps.
>be Swede>working on a certain game about putting down autism blocks>keep hearing from Americans how much more competitive the SWE market is in the US>muh leetcode muh no vacation muh 60 hour weeks muh high TC>therefore American SWEs are just better since standards are higher>parent company (Xbox) announcement a month or so ago>reorg of studios, bunch of American studios sold off (on top of previous mass layoffs) or reduced>the only two companies not affected are us and King a short walk over>in fact we're "model studios" that the rest are supposed to "imitate going forward">both companies are fully Swedish, founded and headquartered in Sweden
>>109816574>Minor>Correct>She>that picwhat did he mean by this?
Why did we normalize DevOps needing to know a billion things across three different clouds and a thousand providers?
>>109816724>>109816959Are they burnt out or are they disillusioned? Burnout is when you want to contribute but are, well, burnt out, no energy. You want to care but you know it'll just sap you even more. Disillusioned is when you don't give a fuck anymore and are just riding the wave until you either get fired or find a new job.Burn out isn't solved by more money or more time off. People get drained out of all their energy to work because your work environment and processes are shit and caring about doing your job well becomes an exhausting task. You could give them a month off and at the end of it they'll dread coming back to work and be burnt out in a week again.
>>109817006>be SwedeYeah...
>>109816724what the other guy said, fix the source of burnout.we had a guy going through that, he got really aggressive out of the blue, and he had to take a full 2 weeks off to get back into it.even then he had an extra small episode or two.if you're having multiple people going through that the workflow is fucking shit
I almost hang up on my manager today. I fucking hate that slob.
>>109817044>>109816974I'd probably say disillusioned, but I can't see a way of fixing it since is a systemic issue. What am I suppose to say? No to my boss? That'll just get me and him fired. The shitty coworkers are there but if I can manage them so should he. >>109816968He should be thanking me. My boss originally was going to bump him to only 9k. I managed to convince him to another 1k to make it 10k so it's not corny. >>109817066Did he ever really recover or is he still an asshole to everyone?
>>109816964the fuck am i suppose to do, I'm limited by the tools they gave me and they give me REALLY fucking shitty ass tools. I ask them for better ones but then they're too afraid to talk to our IT teams and anything I ask or request for gets stuck in governance fucking hell so it feels like it's my fault that I should figure out what to do with these shitty products that get worse every year. "oh can we implement a AI chatbot that can go through all of our complex operations and procedures (that you're not even going to tell me because you have nothing plotted out)???? ohhhhh idk how you're going to do it, can you try with the tools we have???" i want to fucking rip and tear these fuckers holy shit they're so stupid.
>>109817091>He should be thanking me.im sure he's very grateful that he has the opportunity to write b2b saas crudslop for b2b saas crudslop, inc
my company wants me to pivot out of tech into a more mathematical roleintredasting
>>109810587Skill issue. Writing lots of code is a red flag. Really good developers add lots of features, not lots of code.
>>109815624it has ups and downs. if it didnt pay as much as it did it would not be worth it at all. the lack of a certain future is just not good constantly weighing on your mind.there are times i feel its cool i get paid to solve stuff.the amount of work and structured thinking is very fatiguing. and you have to constantly learn or you will fall behind and be unhirable.it is so weird to me people want to study to try and get into tech now. its very hard work and there are easier ways to make middle class income.
whats your people's side business?
>>109817170Kinda neat but isn't math really in jeopardy because of ai?I'd still do it because it sounds cool but I'd worry about the long term stability.Then again tech has zero long term stability so who knows.Grats anon.
>>109817091>What am I suppose to say? No to my boss?Yes?>oh yes, anon we need Rome built by tomorrow, could you look into it?>have 2 guys, a single trowel and a pack of gumyou're their boss, you're supposed to take heed of the resources you have and calculate accordingly.as i said, find what the fuck is wrong, what's causing stress and the like.make it informal and private, explicitly say that they're free to shittalk you or the client or your boss if they feel like it and then look for a solution>Did he ever really recoverhe did as far as i remember, it's been a while
>>109817198it's a pay bump and it sounds pretty cool so i think i'm gonna take it
>>109817213I keep asking him what's wrong and he never fucking opens up. What the shit does he want me to do?
>>109817223>pay bump Well that settles it
>>109816724if you have authority you could try giving them unpaid time off to recover. if they come back and are still useless you have your answer.
>>109817283>if they come back and are still useless you have your answer.Fire and rehire?
>>109817231well, that's autism i guess.ask his team members. if there's one cause of stress, everyone can tell what is it, even if they don't go full joker like your guy
>>109816301Still waiting for the first quarter of profit btw.
>>109817006That's the truth about americans. Everything about them is fully performative. So yes everything is insanely competitive (because of mass scammers competing with actually competent people and winning) and hours are infinite and there's no vacation. But also, everything is at-will so you can get fired overnight for no reason (literally). As a result americans are constantly stressed, which in turn reduces their productivity considerably.
>>109817372Hair trigger managers really is the icing on the cake for all of that.
That call just soured my comfy vibes. GO BACK ON VACATION FAGGOT.
>>109817183Yeah but I hate that I must learn new stuff that I don't care about. I thought that the high pay would make me stand this situation but I was wrong.I'm looking for other jobs that does not require as much as mental effort like this, maybe even physical jobs or even meme jobs like HR, if you can't beat them, join them (If possible)
>>109817180you are definitely correct in your assertion. now I have to wonder if he was blasting out barrel after barrel of giant script-looking spaghetti mess....wrote half the code baseimplemented less than 1% of the game
>>109817372is it performative when your position pays 2 to 3 times as much in america and many places in america having real estate cost 75% to a third per square foot? is it performative when a guy driving trucks for UPS makes the equivalent of a 95th percentile income in your country? :^)
>>109817850have you tried working for a company that matches their pay between offices
>>109817006these days SWE is saturated with impostors. Maybe 1 out of 5 SWEs do all the other work while the other 4 just fuck shit up.
>>109817850You are the poster child of performative. Arguing on optics rather than facts. Not about your quality of life or how you enjoy yours, but on the size of your edick. Exactly like instagram thots do every day.
>>109817850>your position pays 2 to 3 times as much in america and many places in america having real estate cost 75% to a third per square foot?this venn diagram contains exactly 0 places
>burned out and sick of my job>open up job listings>every single listing is either underpaying or for some sketchy-looking startupI hate my life
>>109817983Same issue but IT. We used to have tons of high paying positions open worth working towards.
>>109817983Nothing wrong with startups.
>>109817856if you are making an american salary from an american company while living in europe, you arent exactly on equal footing to everyone else. its a little easier to be positive in that case.>>109817930how is what you are paid and what you can afford not a quality of life consideration? you spend most of your life working, and most of that is to pay off a mortage on a home.>>109817969you could try googling it. this is not news to anyone, american homes range from a little cheaper to a lot cheaper per sq foot than most of europe. europeans live in much smaller homes on average. americans are paid a lot more. its more like 1.5x to 3x with less taxes. europeans do pay less in rent though.
the quality of your soul is measured by how much money you have
>>109818135Actually it's an almost 1:1 correlation with how many square feet your house has
>>109818135Its over for me ain't it :C
结束了
>>109817850>your position pays 2 to 3 times as much in america>>109817006 anon here, I am looking at job postings in the internal system right this instant and they pay about 20-40% more, but they also don't include pension contributions and we have 6 weeks of paid vacation a year. >many places in america having real estate cost 75% to a third per square foot?The US has a notoriously retarded and expensive housing market. Are you comparing European capitals to Bumfuck Nowhere, Flyover State? In that case I can also get stupidly cheap houses if I want to move to bumfuck nowhere in northern Sweden, this country is barely populated. And unlike in the US it's not full of pic related.This post reeks of seehte.
>>109818070You have been completely brainwashed, it's hilarious
>>109818162What a nice cat.
So when is that AI bubble collapsing?
> Going to be fired soon for not moving to the bay area after company started enforcing 5 day RTOAnything I should be taking care of before I'm let go? (health benefits, stocks, etc.)Also, how bad is the market? Are companiea still doing the FAGMAN five round interview but with a fraction of the FAGMAN salary?
>>109818323Know where you can get your proof of employment, make sure you have your 401k details, health insurance details for COBRA, sneak your minecraft server onto the company infrastructure
>>109818323>Quiting your job due to RTO>In this job market>Hoping to make more money than your current positionAnon i hope you have 18 months of savings to cover this decision. 6 months is for good economies.
>>109818342Moving to the Bay Area when you're (presumably) living outside of California is a more catastrophic long-term financial decision than just tanking an unemployment stretch.
>>109818366Yeah i am not aware aside from 6k monthly studio apartments you share with 8 roommates. Tell me how fucked it really is anon
>>109818323Where do you live? I got hit with RTO last year, never showed up, still WFH. I'm not spending 20 hours a week fucking driving to an office where I'm just doing email and virtual meetings. My boss doesn't even live in the country, and I think the nearest co-worker I interact with is like three hours away.
>>109817041And if you miss one tool HR throws away your CV. It's hilarious.
I got the job at the city fixing bus radios
I had more of a conversation with a drugged up nigga at the train station than I did with my coworkers. Seems like he was intent on staying at my place or mugging me for a few bucks but I told him I have no wallet and I live with my parents at the last stop (I live on the 5th to last stop)
>>109818342I have a good amount of money saved up. I've been anticipatong this for a while desu.>>109818407California but far from the Bay are. Expensive as fuck, I know, but not looking to move currently for various reasons. The funny part is the company enforrce hybrid 3 years ago and I also never showed up so I was WFH for 3 years. Most meetings are zoom calls too because we have offices in other states.
>>109818443Unless you have a family or business, I'd recommend looking for work out of state. You up in NorCal? I'm in CenTex and there's so much work here I don't really care if I get sacked because others are actively offering me shit to leave, but they'll want me to be in the office building out shit. What do you do? Oh, also cost of living here is dirt cheap, and no income tax.
>>109816724bump. just want to see if i have a justifiable case before I go to HR.
>>109818249housing is expensive everywhere. europeans do this thing where they consider anything that isn't SF or NYC "bumfuck nowhere" and that concludes their research. usa is generally cheaper per sq foot. use google.>>109818256>americans dont make more than europeans... this is a lie!>t. guy that gets all of his information from reddit instead of spending 5 minutes looking it up
housing in london isn't as expensive as i thought it would be (for renting it's still absurd to buy)
>>109818517I haven't been back to London since I think 2012, and it was a shithole then, even Knightsbridge was overrun. Can't imagine how bad it is now.
When I lived in Boston we paid ~3k/m for a shoddy ~60m^2 place in the 'burbs with a small (shared) garden
>>109818487I'm not in Norcal. I'm willing to go out of state as a last resort, although I might just move back with my parents before that. Realistically speaking, I could probably go back to this current job because they have been having trouble finding people ever since they cannot fund H1-Bs. A former coworker I still kedp in touch with says they periodically still message him to come back.
>>109818532it is the second most expensive city for renting in the us
>>109818509>europeans do this thing where they consider anything that isn't SF or NYC "bumfuck nowhere"Anywhere where there's a decent tech job presence in the US will be very expensive. So either you deal with a 60min commute one way not counting traffic, or you pay up.>remoteCompanies got smart about that and will lower your pay, this only worked for a small period after 2020.I live 15min by car from Stockholm center and I pay 1.3k for 60sqm (a bit over 600sqft).
>>109808874fyi gabe is not taking hiring chances anymore, don't bother.
>>109818583Not really. As the other anon said TX has a big tech presence and you can find a cheap place to live + commute. NC/Atlanta as well.
>>109818583>>109818596Yep. My house is 3000 sqft overlooking a lake, and it's less than $2500 a month, less than a week's pay. Sure the pay isn't as high as on the coasts, but cost of living in general is so much cheaper it's worth it. And they're building like crazy, TX is now the DoD Cyber command, Dallas opened up their own stock exchange, and they're building SMRs to power shit, so electricity will likely be cheaper in the future too.
>>109818583I'm about 15m from slussen by bus. 2.1k all-in mortgage on 75sqm. Pretty sweet. I also make 120k/month though.
>>109818591Gabe probably hasn't intervened in the day to day operations of his company for like over a decade now
>>109818640I could get the same house for about 300k total assuming I want to be 30m from a t1 city, and I earn 40% more than you after converting my gross to net to your net to your effective gross at net target.t. eurochad.
>>109818791> +tax> +VAT> +niggers> +muslims> t.eurocopeMy kid feeds the local deer that visit the property every day. That alone is worth it. Keep your shitty distopian hellscape.
>>109818591If you look at Valve's site they still don't ask for any hard qualifications or list specific job vacancies, so I imagine their culture hasn't changed.
>>109818366>>109818373NTA but I lived there for a bit before covid hit; there were decent places you could get for <$2000/mo (mine was less than 1500) that weren't in the middle of a shitty neighborhood so I can only assume everyone talking about how expensive it is to live there is trying to live right in the middle of SF proper in those shitty little converted factories or falling-apart "historical" buildings. Actual houses were expensive in my area were expensive, sure, but apartments were "okay" for the most part. Only had one roommate too
>>109818886>1500 per month>before covid>with a roommateOne can only imagine the prices now
It's getting cold outside now. My apartment feels a little chilly. I just had a 45-minute nap after finishing work (I didn't do anything productive today)
>>109818823It's hilarious how terrible Amerimutt urban planning has led them to believe that having nature around is some sort of amazing feat that can only happen far out of cities or even towns because in their mind anything bigger than a village is a hell of parking lots, highways, and stroads.
>>109819059Anon, I'm in the city limits. There's a Sam's Club 5 minutes away, and it's a half a mile from a Walmart Supercenter. It's about a mile of access road to the neighborhood on a hill. Doesn't take that much distance to have peace.Probably a key reason all the coasties are moving here, this is just normal in good ole hickville flyover country.
>>109819059Location dependent. If its a suburban hellhole then there are alot of parks in each of those cities.
My company is going full vibecoding
>>109819111Don't explain it to him, he doesn't deserve being allowed to buy a gun and be free to shoot it in his backyard when he's bored.
>>109818959The pay made up for it; mine wasn't high by bay area standards (<100k) but it was enough for me to not feel miserable and pay for groceries, which as a twentysomething, is mostly all you need. I'm considering going back now but I'm honestly worried that I've been priced out by all the AI bros making multiple hundreds of thousands a year and that rent will be astronomical these days
>>109819142Probably still better than Florida. If you aren't some influencer, business man or own a neighborhood you are really just a leech off of retired people by proxy of the work that you are doing. Worse so there isn't enough money to even make rent. Most of the young people try to move out of the state for real jobs.
>>109815151You're friends with the "antifascist" troons on the red site?
''A recruiter accidentally left this on a job description. Looks like they are pretty picky.''
>>109819116I know multiple people who now write zero code, they just review AI's work. A person will **always** be responsible for AI's output in some capacity, because:>An executive needs to be in charge of a department of people, to justify their own continued employment>An executive needs subordinates doing AI so that he can take credit for good AI outputs and place blame on someone else for bad AI outputs, to justify their own continued employment>An executive needs to be in charge of some amount of company finances which can include a combination of people and AI expenses, to justify their own continued employmentIf you are good enough to "review AI outputs", aka technically capable, you will always have employment. Decisionmakers will never get rid of responsibility delegation because it could damn themselves to unemployment.
>>109819262Breh are they trying to hire new grads? what the fuck kind of weed out is that?
>>109819281Thy don't want someone too expensive, but they also don't want someone desperatestrange indeed
>>109819274This. Grifter manager/director people who have no engineering or CS knowledge will want to have someone to blame when AI vibecoded shit hits the fan
>>109819299Gotta be H1B begging.
>>109819274>you will always have employment.lol.
>>109819336I am good at words.
>>109819262I tick all the box except the last
>>109819262I went from "seems ok" to "what the fuck?" while reading this list lmao>Explicit desire to work on trendy tech>Exclusively Big Tech experience??? idgi. what's wrong with this?>8+ years of experienceseems kinda "ageist" if you ask me
Why no unemployed thread? Everybody got a job now
>>109819504/utwg/ is more active now than it has ever been
>>109819262>must not use a feature of LinkedIn Why does this even matter? It's supposed to help people find work, not make it harder.
My wife wants to get pregnant again
>>109819548Give her 6 more kids so she has enough to handle. Also if its like my coworker her parents will eventually hook you up with a vacation to get you leg locked.
>>109819520you can set the "looking for a job" state in linkedin without the "opentowork" thing
>>109819572What's the difference?
>>109819574one gives recruiters and hr beauties the ick
>>109819574I think #opentowork is the mark on top of your pic, the other makes you visible in the search box
>>109819299When the fuck do people stop and say "this shit is ridiculous"? How in the hell do they even live with themselves?I'm in a battle to find a decent l1 network tech and recruiters and HR just keep sending me bullshit and my boss keeps rejecting good candidates for random stupid reasons.
>>109819632>I'm in a battle to find a decent l1 network techAT&T just laid off almost their entire network managed services dept a couple weeks ago, should be plenty of guys out there.
>>109819632>decent l1 network techI won't recomment ours then...
>>109819632>Good network techsEven with them having CCNP, you are going to have a hard time finding them.
Anyone on 4chan being employed is mysterious to me. I have no idea how you guys have jobs, I cant even get an interview with 10 YOE.
>>109819572>>109819592*status, not state>>109819632>When the fuck do people stop and say "this shit is ridiculous"?how are most people supposed to do anything?
>>109819725Just BEE yourself anon.
>>109819725idk anon they keep paying me tho
>>109819725seriously? this is one of the best forums on the internet for work opportunities. you just need to explore other boards and get a hobby
>>109819837What did he mean by this?
>>109819853he means becoming someone's discord kitten
>>109819853
>>109819869Overhyped. Shoeonhead still has the best nudes on the planet compared to these OF chicks.
I know every company is doing layoffs but how does it feel to be an oracle fag specifically? Like at least in amazon or Google they'll do one round, maybe 2 max per year but those niggas are nuking their workforce every month wtf. How are they even functioning at this point?
>one preprod in 4.16, the other in 4.13>need to be updated to match>jeets do 4.13 -> 4.14 -> 4.15 -> 4.16Hmm
>>109819906Amazon does not do 1-2 layoffs per year only. They do quarterly 10% drawdowns for the low performing workers in all departments sans a few. It nearly killed Microsoft when they ran shit like that and somehow IBM is managing that level of trimming yearly. But amazon is the meat grinder of IT/Programming jobs.
>>109819904AI slop is better than both of them at this point. >>109819906No idea about Oracle, didn't know they were firing people too. Company I work for been laying off people every other quarter for the last four years, but they end up rehiring the good ones. I expect more of the 'IT' people to survive, they'll just have to relocate. My main concern right now is insurance companies and auto manufacturers domestically. AI bubble is coming, China is collapsing, etc. Should be a fun couple of years. Just liquidate as much as you can now and hold. It's a cycle.
I hope I'll be fired during this round. I am not american or european and don't work for a tech company, but for some reason retards here seem to follow american trends. my bosses know I want to get the fuck out, so I'm hopeful I'll be let go now.
>>109819955Please enjoy the worst job market in global history
Most people don’t know what to build. You can mimic other apps, but that’s lame; having a unique idea with real potential is very rare. 99% of the projects end up in a trash bin, and that’s a lot for ego to handle ;-)
>>109819955AI is replacing SEA monkeys and Indian jeets.
Roy Lee (Cluely CEO) goes crazy because people don't take actionhttps://x.com/NarutoNolimits/status/2047763778406887625
>>109819960I have money and some plans (more like ideas lmao but still) and enough money to live comofortably for quite a while>>109819987not indian or asian either. and I don't live in any of those countries/regions.
>>109819932What did xir mean by this
>>109817041DevOps people are unironically the ones piling complexity on top of complexity.You could have been fine with basic building blocks like Linux, bash, PostgreSQL and nginx. but you need to keep adding more and more and more and every 6 months migrate from one thing to the other because the new version is better (version 0.1 written in Rust, btw).
>>109820295I keep hearing about Devops and it sounds like a catch all position between System Admin and Programming the same way Networking is the dumping ground for obsolete IT positions.
>>109819658>AT&T just laid off almost their entire network managed services dept a couple weeks ago, should be plenty of guys out there.Yes saar I did the needful at the A tee and tee and I can do the needful for your company too saar
>>109820307It more or less means, "sysadmins who can do programming".In my place the devops guys jump into the code base to shit all over my code and replace it with AI-written expedient hacks that fix the immediate problem they are facing without thoughts about future consequences.They are constantly chasing fires, without realizing they are often the ones starting them.
>>109820311sure, all that got dumped too, but there's a lot of architects and engineers with 20-30+ years of experience domestically that don't have shit to do now. Not a bad spot to be if you're a networking startup and need a fleet of people that actually know what they're doing.
>>109820327Nightmare fuel. I remember scripting being the min requirement for sysadmin but this is far beyond the scope of the role. I barely trust my fellow network admin to script properly as is.
You think companies are going to slow down from AI given the news?
>contact a customer support email hours ago while at work>just received a response, 10 pm my timedo i even have to say it
>>109820375No. The only reason they want to slow down is because the circular financing bullshit has finally dried up.
>>109820377Listen dude if they get hired all the time and your "countrymen" dont clearly they're just better thgan you somehow.
>>109820377I didn't even bother logging in today, if it's important they have my phone number. They're out of luck if it comes up as unlisted, because their goat fucker cousins call me every 30 minutes for another fishing scam compaign.
>>109820375how could we slow down the second industrial revolution? imagine rockerfeller was like "ermm wait a minute guys i dont know about this one..."
>>109820448anon, that's what wars are for. literally.
>>109820448Just like warfare the effectiveness of each person is dispersed amongst the groups and allows for smaller formations to perform larger amounts of damage on the enemy. The correct response from what i have seen in the Machinist space is to start your own company.
>>109819080ya'll need to keep it quiet if you got it good, and somehow put a stop to the cities growing and expanding out. i'm staying put though, if I ever get forced out of my homestate, I'm leaving the damn country instead of moving to some other state.t. former red state redneck
>>109820375Why would we stop when we've just started sacrificing chldren and virgins to the silicon moloch?
>>109820375you are about to experience such an insufferable and evil experience that it will teach you the truth of an absent god
>>109808886Try a smaller company.
>>109820488NTA anon i think every state is fucked. China is likely 600 million and US is likely 500 millions at this point. India, pakistan and the entirety of africa has vast swaths of uncounted people and deep in the south of the US we almost have parallel societies that never thought the civil war ended.
>>109811416>minimize your neuroticismUnderrated advice.
>>109820488>>109820530We'll be fine bros, don't worry about it. The things we worry about aren't what the coasties, or China or anyone outside of our 'culture' is concerned with. We're hardened, and bitter, and fed up, but not disillusioned.
>>109820556no, you won't be fine. and I'm not worried. my wife suggested we move to texas but I understand my state's government well enough to know that the county sheriff has more power than the governor in my state. is that how things run in Texas? if not, you're fucked in about 10 years time. the weather in Texas is too pleasant, ya'll gonna get the blue wave invasion for sure.
>>109811653why is Japan tightening and making visas more expensive then
>>109819262I have the last three only
>>109815624I never figured out what I liked to have a profession and now I'm going to IT
>>109820714anon, databases are public. 1st is a right, second is a decision, and all the shit after the fifth isn't really needed
>>109808874don’t be so down gaben they look pretty all white to me
>>109818749Last time he did was Left 4 Dead and Portal 2. His experience was so bad with the Portal team that he had to dip out and direct a team on hardware, even then it was extremely hands off.
>>109820804To smooth out their immigration curve for the next decade. In 2025, Japan made a trade deal with India, which always pushes for visa provisions in every trade deal they make. Japan can't absorb 1~2M curry subhumans (spouse, children, parents, spouse's parents included) by 2030 without cutting back on top of the 300K foreign residents they already receive per year.
>>109821065
>>109817006Sup Khaile
so at what age do you become a decrepit old fart that refuses to try anything new? 30?
>>10982118535yr or first divorce.
>>109821205staying an incel and kmsing when i reach 34 then
>>109821223This isn't the 70's when being a wizard was a super power towards SWE/Semiconductors/EE/ME/Physics.
>wow forever in 50 days>I'm going to ask for relocation of my office into one of the server rooms so I can play>Anc is so good nowadays that I even may use mic>scream at the people and get paid AT THE SAME TIME>status: sociable>>109811416I want to move to China.>>109811198>>109810990Did I make med school the new meme?
>>109821185I can already feel it at 26 anon.
>>109821244我们应该一起去中国,你呢?
>>109821286I attend meetings with our cn branch wnd pretend I understand and repeat "shwe ni-g-g-a" whenever they say it.But in whole seriousness, I d like to learn cn
>>109821303lol yout have some learning to do, squirt
>>109818823Nigs are largely a US thing. No muds here either in real life. It's 95%+ white. The non-whites are a mix of indians and hispanics mostly.I already calculated tit for tat on tax and I still earn more than you net after accounting for the differential, like I explained. Though your tiny little ameirlard brain can't understand this. Some things are indeed cheaper in america including VAT, but you aren't actually aware of the true cost of things because your tax is not shown on labels. Many of our things cost the same with the VAT rolled into it than your things with the VAT excluded from the label.
>>109819080>he lives in a suburban hellscapelmaonice self-ownMeanwhile I can fish a 15m walk from where I live, and actually eat the fish, because it's everything is pristine-clean. I live 5 minutes by foot from all amenities. And that's 15m by public transport to the center of the biggest city in the country.
>>109821357LMAO IMAGINE BEING THIS WRONG HAHAHA XD
>>109819481Exclusive big tech experience is a legit and important red flag. The problem is people who do this end up being assigned a task that has a 2 week deadline and spend the entire 2 weeks fucking around making everything pretty before they start even working on the task, because that's how big tech works (only make-work, no real deadlines, nobody cares about anything). I've seen it over and over again in interviews.Here's also another little secret that I seldom tell people but that has been universally true: anyone who spends more than 2 years in FAGMAN is completely incompetent at a fundamental level. It's because they spend their time on politics, not programming. Anyone who is interested in tech will run for the hills after even just months into the journey, but might have obligations preventing them from leaving before about 2 years.
>>109821382>let me tell you about your cultureAmerica, fuck yeah!
>>109821394Me on the right you on the left :D
>>10982135745% effective tax rate, Germany37% effective tax rate, UShmmmm
>>109821423>amerilard has never worked a day in his life and doesn't know how progressive taxation works>thinks that the highest tax bracket is called "effective tax rate">doesn't realize amerilardia has a 2-level tax system where you have to add up both the federal 37% and the state-level like commiefornia's 13.3%, for a total of 50.3%, higher than germany'sNice self-pwn of an example. Which is hilarious because:- Germany is not europe, it's the single most fucked up worst-case EU country and it's still better than (You).- Tax was already accounted for, which was already told to you twice, but you are too ameritarded to understand words.You are a poor inbred hick living in a hellscape of a slave country.
>>109821466Thanks chat GPT/Claud/Geminihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-krWpqPWRE
>>109821466>Doesn't know what effective tax meansGet a better brain retard.
>>109821471>can't survive without clankers>that means only clankers can btfo himNo actually, it means even a toddler can btfo you.>>109821475Ask the clanker what 'effective tax' means before continuing to show the world the intelligence of the average amerifat.
>>109821487You can pull up any calculator. If you use a fucking robot you hallucinate 50% taxes on California residents when that's not the case LMAO. That also includes state and federal num nuts.https://smartasset.com/taxes/paycheck-calculator
>>109821487LMAO XD stupid nigger Effective vs marginal rateYour marginal rate is the bracket your last dollar falls into - useful for decisions like "how much of this raise or bonus do I keep?" Your effective rate is the blended average across every bracket and is the better number for "what share of my income goes to tax?" In a progressive system the effective rate is always below the marginal rate.
I make about 80 000€ and the government takes roughly 50% of it
>Niggas can't do taxesNigga why even do taxes?
>>109821525152,000, Gov takes roughly 27% of it. I am a poor fag by US standards.
>>109821497Thanks for demonstrating that amerilards have an average IQ under 65. Seriously, ask the clanker to help you with it. Copy-paste the exact posting sequence or you will confuse the AI, as it expects an IQ 90+ query.
>>109821514Well done, see how I was right that you should ask the clanker? There is no 37% effective state tax in the US, nor a 45% effective tax in germany. It is called "marginal". Congratulations, you learned something! A monumental achievements for an ameritard.
>>109821551>>109821556Oy vey goyim use the robot my jewish genes told me the Noah Hide clanker is always correct. Trust the science goyim. XD
>>109821544That being said those 50% include healthcare and a retirement fund (current age of retirement is 64 I believe)They do not however include the 20% VAT on anything I buyHmm maybe I’m being fleeced
>>109821525Where?I make 151k eur and the government takes 38%.
>>109821558My state tax is 8% pretty steep but then again women do most of the purchases in the world anyways.
>>109821562Correction. My state sales tax ie VAT by comparison is 8%
>>109818864i remember watching some valve team members discussing this.basically they want "T shaped" people.aka, know a bit about a lot of stuff + very specialized in one thing, but they did encourage people to just send a CV if they weren't sure
>>109821544If you lived in california, that would be 34.1%. Across the US, the most common effective rate range would be 29-32%.Most people in flyover states like yours don't make more like 75k. So good on you for being paid a top 5% salary locally.
>>109821565For me in yurop, it's 25% for e.g. electronics, but 6% for e.g. food.
>>109821551>>109821556>>109821487>>109821466>>109821357>Doesn't know how to do taxes award. >Doesn't know the difference between taxes because he used AI LMAO.
>>109821574US ie me really has a bad habit of clumping you guys in with the EU economic zone. Doesn't help that brussels is straight up planning to brave new world the continent.
>>109821576>retard claims marginal tax is actually effective>thinks he can erase the retardation in his posts>doubles down repeatedly>self-pwns at every turn>still tries to claim victorylol, lmao even
>>109821561I’m counting what the employer pays before it even reaches my gross (internet says says to add 40% to the gross), which is 4500 and gets reduced to roughly 3100 with the tax rate plus all the payments on various programs
>>109821584>Claims i didn't make >Still doesn't know what effective tax is >Projecting his retarded AI bot nigger spam answers that are still wrongWhere do these niggers come from Romania? home of the indian gypsy thief's?
>>109821079You mean to tell me any Japanese wants to go to India?
>>109821586Why? That doesn't even begin to make any sense. Do you pay what the employer pays? No, of course not. Or do you mean you actually get paid 50k but you decided to present it as 80k, even though your contract doesn't say 80k, and you were never offered 80k? Like wtf bro.
>>109821593Crazy all asians want to do is go to France then get disappointed that it's filled with muslims, indians and niggers.
>>109821591>claims I didn't make>>109821423>45% effective tax rate, Germany>37% effective tax rate, US>effectiveShartyfag is clinically retarded? What a surprise!
>>109821597Even paris is still fine since the shitskins stay in their pockets. The problem is that if you make a wrong turn, you go from a nearly fully-white area to a fully-nignog street, which is fucked up.The problems in france are largely the government being totally fucked up. Not to excuse the shitskin invasion, just that if the government could become normal and actually do things instead of self-fellate, it would be the single biggest life quality uplift. Shitskins being mass deported or better yet, killed, would only be second.
>>109821596That’s the total amount I could get if the government took nothingDo you think it’s not taxes if it’s not strictly labelled taxes?
>>109821599Yeah most germans effective tax is 45% because most american SWE make 270k+ and thus pay effective tax in the us of 37%. None of that is wrong. You are just a stupid nigger.
>>109821606I have ancestors from there and a hitler from france seems like the only solution with every story that comes from there.
>>109821607NTAIts anything before sales/vat tax and is not voluntaryIf its voluntary/401k/pension/medical then it doesn't really count in that calculation.
>>109821632It’s anything but voluntary, the government knows better you see
>>109821607It's not your tax, it's the employer's tax. You know US also has employer taxes, right? Up to 22.62% depending on state. In sweden it's "only" 20.6%. Meanwhile in California though, it would be 7.94%.
>>109821648Yeah i misspoke. IMO sales tax is entirely voluntary. It is often excluded in calculations due to fluctuations of spending habits so thus harder to gauge. Income tax or any non voluntary taxes is included in the effective tax rate for whatever aggregate brackets you are in. Gonna have to double check.
>>109821609Congrats on confirming you don't know the difference between effective and marginal even after you spelled it out using the clanker. You are literally so dumb that you can copy-paste shit you don't understand. You clearly don't work in soft- oh, nevermind, it's 2026 and your name is ranjeet.
>>109821663Dumb nigger alert
>>109821607That is so far from how it works I don't even understand where you could possibly have gone there. If the employer didn't have to pay the tax, they'd still give you the same salary and they'd pocket the difference or higher one more person.
>>109821607If you are going to be disingenuous like that why not also add the money towards employees you don't like such as HR, or their power bill, or building rent, since you could just wfh instead
>>109821609Most retarded post award.The effective tax rate at 230k euros in germany is 36%. It is 37.5% in california.
>>109821632The problem is he's calculating things he was never offered as a tax on him. Like >>109821675 says, he might as well also count other employer expenses. Even if we want to be less facetious, he might as well add corporate profit taxes because if the company didn't have to tax its profits it would totally pay out the difference as wages as well right.
>>109821676LMAO XD Still doesn't know the difference between effective tax rates and marginal tax rates. Anon pls stop the act you have been doing this for far to long. Get the AI out and retry your calculations. We are talking income tax not VAT included. Once again you are a stupid nigger.
>>109821185ah, it's not an age thing, it's more that once you get to a certain level of lived life, all the lies just started sounding the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9_UircFH7U
>>109821686This post presented without further comments.Amerinbreds will never recover from the demonstration you have made of how retarded and illiterate americans are.
>>109821675Good point, I shall next time we discuss salaries
>>109821669>>109821675>>109821676>>109821683>>109821686please stop shitting up the thread. 4chan is for dropping knowledge, not manufacturing it.
>>109821696You must have an IQ of 18 or higher to browse this site.
>>109821696>Defending retarded indians the post award>Using AI for tax calculations instead of calculators>Counting VAT and voluntary contributions towards pensions/401k as effective taxes>Not making above 280k a year as a SWEXD
>>109821714i know... right.Can somebody bake? Let's get a thread with that nepal eye-candy chick. I'm wondering how much coding she did last week.
>>109821572Correct and roughly 15% nationally. So lower end of the K shaped economy depending upon whoever you listen too for economics(not a real science)
>>109821734lol. i'm not defending jeets. this isn't a tax policy thread. and really who cares. I just do my taxes on paper and save lots of money with all my failing business ventures that I fund with my income. Everybody knows America is the best country, which is sad, because it kind of sucks.
>>109821753>Failing businessAin't that the banks problem? Oh right you direct income your own business ventures. RIP anon i really do hope one of them succeeds.
>>109821750I'm going to sleep now, with all my guns, good luck with whatever the fuck I scrolled passed.
>>109821750Yup. Infl*encers say the opposite, but it's always ideal to be the big fish in the small pond. Doesn't matter where the pond is.
>>109821759You can't get unleveraged debt to start businesses.
>>109821766I am unaware anon. Divulge in the next thread if you want to vent pls.
>>109821759meh, it would be nice if they went somewhere, but in the meantime it's worth deploying my income into something useful and fun (that lowers my taxable income).gnight /g/ somebody please bake. cute nepal chick please. thanx.
>>109820843You are going to have an hard time then.Coding as a hobby does not mean that you will enjoy a coding job. In a way the job will ruin it for you.Don't make the same mistake I did, do something else and leave coding as a hobby only so you can enjoy it.
>>109821770Not much to vent about. It's just how it is. You need startup capital you have to find it somewhere else. Friends and family, your own income, angels, VCs, remortgage your home, or take out a personal loan. If you have assets then it can become a leveraged debt, so if you're thinking brick and mortar you can get something very small and pony up with the rest of your income. But that's as close as you get this way.
>>109821790Dam here i was thinking the bank would small loan you ass 100k as a personal loan but clearly that might've been a HELOC requirement. Thanks this makes more sense.
>>109821779It's not the coding that kills it, it's everything around it and in fact, being disallowed from coding because muh feature muh microservice muh never build in-house even if the existing options are totally broken at the most fundamental level.
>>109821881>tasked with making a tool>actually it’s ok we’ll subcontract it to Capgemini bangalore :)
>>109821911NTA I would sooner outsource to a boomer retirement center than indians.
>>109821915Yeah it’s a shame because I needed that tool
>>109817850>pays 2 to 3 times as much>real estate cost 75% to a third per square footYou're retarded, those two are mutually exclusive because how much you pay per square foot is directly linked to how much people in that area earn. You think they're gonna sell you shit on the cheap if they know you're earning 160k? Not unless you want to add another 4 hours of unpaid work (commute) to your daily routine.
>>109821065so this will be Japan?
>>109821779I never coded as a hobby, I needed to choose some course to start and I chose IT. It was what I had most proximity with. I'm liking it. If I must put effort into learning something, and doing something for a living, I guess it's going to be this.
>>109823009It’s already tokyo, I’m not soifacing anymore
Any of you goyim work for Amazon? How stressful is it?
>>109822082another petty europoor seetheperhaps direct some of that seethe at the people stealing most of your paychecks?
>>109823138Such retarded cope from the amerilard.The salary for an entry-level "ai developer" in commiefornia would be $98,952, so even that doesn't beat an in'n'out manager. Also commiefornia is the most well paid state you could find. It's also the most expensive. How about comparing net take-home? Meaning net and then remove cost of life and see what happens.An entry-level "ai developer" in paris would be €80,000 and it is €94,713 in germany. Fancy that, that's more than in commiefornia despite far, far lower COL.
My favourite part of layoffs is when they just lock the person out of their device and badge so you can't even have a crash-course style handover or at get access private documents/unpublished PRs, lmao
>>109823166I was told it’s so you don’t come back and shoot up the place
>>109809009What's the easiest way to get a job (not black company) in Japan? Applying directly to Japanese branches of US companies or try something like Google branch in my country (somewhere in EU) -> internal transfer? I remember speaking to someone a few years ago that office transfers at Google stopped getting approved, but that was during Covid lockdowns so I don't know if that's how it is now (that's what Claude suggested when I asked him to make such plan). The place I work at (finance) has a branch in Japan, but after asking my manager about it Covid fucked up such transfers for us too and it's impossible without actually changing the team (most of them do finance instead of SWE, so that doesn't seem feasible), or a very good business reason (that would most likely come from the firm itself).Anyway late 20s, ~6 yoe, probably N4-N3 (mostly reading and hearing, no speaking and no writing). Could probably do N2 in a year or two if needed. Any anons that successfully made it to Japan?
>>109823138Higher salaries is the only better thing America has, in every other aspect it is a far more unpleasant place to live.
can someone bake pls?
>>109823352No
>>109823352sorry I’m le burnt out :)
>>109823296>the USA is only better at the most important thing Having money in the US allows you to sidestep all the shitty parts
>>109823372It doesn't, but it allows you to sidestep some of it. If you have >100m, otherwise you get nothing at all.
>>109823357>>109823358Bake it. Bake it now. This is the friendliest message I'm going to send, while I look for ways to shitpost in the next thread.
i have released a fine tuned model on huggingface with over 300 downloads. can i be hired for a comfy remote AI job already or nah?
oh shit i forgotim the baker, give me a sec let me scroll tiktok
>page 11Owari da
>>109823731IT IS UNIRONICALLY JOEVER
hold on got an exotic new bake coming right up
