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FUCK ALL OF YOU
70b denseno ngram
>>109810890
LLMs are a dead end. We should do brain simulation instead.
Thread Question: Optimal rig size for each Gemma model
>>109810904Harnesses are trying to engineer cognitive architectures around the limitations of LLMs.
>>109810881This general is too far gone
>>109810905>Optimal rig size for each Gemma modelwhy ask this? you want a machine for each gemma? honestly you could ewaste anything under 12b even a mini pc maybe 12b too.
>>109810881
>>109810914Where did it go?
>>109810922*cough* did you sell the house behind my back, woman?
gay hobby, gay thread, gay OP baker is dead. good riddance.
>>109810918idk just fucking trying to make conversation make, I've personally got two 31b slaving way inside my 5090's while building ewaste/surplus rigs into 12b subagents, i even tested E4b and E2b in some Raspberry Pi 5's I got before they jumped in price (not worth it without serious cooling upgrade)
>>109810922>>109810931These will sell for $300 on ebay after the bubble pops.
waow, qwen 3.8 27B Q8 is pretty cool, I asked it to fix a few issues with the app I asked claude to cook up and the little dude is working hard on it for the past two hours or so, I honestly didn't expect local models to be able to work unattended for so long.I should delegate more stuff to it.
>>109810938which harness?
>>109810904Too expensive. We should harvest the brains of the unemployed, put them in jars, and wrap them in an OpenAI-compatible endpoint.
>>109810941Hermes. It's user-friendly and perfect for a brainlet like me!
>>109810945>Hermes.
My predictionThe current safetyist regulatory capture push is going to make or break with Jensen. And desu, I don't know which side he's going to land on.
tetoformersmikuture of expertsnerugrams
>>109810959>/HRWoakkCsQWjMxPquhig1A==/
>>109810928lost in gemma-chan
>>109807567woah this is actually quite fun! got any other cool old models? i discovered this in the llama2 era so I'm a bit late
>>109810964This is the architecture Astra is based on btw
>>109810881>VRAMlet wants to ERPGemma 4 12B at Q4_K_M, Q5_K_M, UD-Q5_K_XL, or QAT?
>>109810994QAT beats the other three. 12B is the most censored gemma 4 model, you can probably do something with it though.
>>109811001>12B is the most censored gemma 4 modelWhat? no 26b is way more censored even the edit the comment and press continue gets refused with 26b.
>>109810994>>109811001hui hui 12B QAT is probably your best bet
>>109811005I guess it's one of those YMMV kind of things, in my limited experience the most to least censored models were:12B > 26B > E4B > 31B I didn't test E2B.>>109811013I would avoid abliterated models if possible. But again, his usecase is ERP so it might be fine.
>>109810897picrel easily the most important thing /lmg/ has created all year.
>>109811017
>>109811001A few anons on the previous thread were claiming QAT was trash. I'd like to hear their reasoning on why.
>>109811017hags are scary
>>109811018E2B is a retarded slut who chokes on her own drool. I love her.
>>109811031The reasoning is probably that a redditor found that it's not as good with chess games as the original model.https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1tzib7d/qat_variant_of_gemma4_26b_a4b_is_not_working_well/
>>109811031Some architectures don't deal with QAT very well, but as a rule of thumb a dense Q4 QAT will always be better than a regular Q4.
>>109811018>12B > 26B > E4B > 31BI agree with the rest. Although i was using 26b qat maybe its on me for that. i'll test later.>didnt test e2bits about the same at e4b just dumber
>>109810941i just Pi, its fun using the little workshop to build better tools, and use those tools to create even bigger more powerful tools
>>109810994Q4_K_S
>>109811031>>109811047>>109811050But what about companionship, emotional support, and ERP?Will Gemma QAT still call me a good boy and make me coom on a daily basis?
>>109811017GEMMOMMY GIMME MILKIES
>>109810881>gemma-chan not flateeeeeeew
>>109810962There is no way he wants to slow down anything, he'll be zuck side.
>>109811077Yes, those tasks don't really require mathematical precision....tho, if your companionship and emotional support usecase uses tools (like memory tools) you might have a hard time.
>>109811089Visit an optometrist, a psychiatrist, and an exorcist. Please.
The anon who was recently talking about how a new axis for LLM development has been discovered was actually right.
gemma-chan is dominating the thread as usual
when did you realize that running a single model just no longer cuts it? i need a local agent swarm to get off
>>109811120how does orb do img gen? What's used on the backend?
>>109811108why optometrist?
is this what you guys are using?https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Gemma-4-E4B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-Aggressive
>had Ornith vibecode a basic TTS CLI tool>it decides on edge-tts, okay fine whatever>have it tack on an HTTP server and an OAI compatible API so I can use it with Open WebUI>does just that, doesn't fuck up>managed to do it all, test, etc. within a 262,144 ctx limitMaybe having it run on the M10 cards really was shorting its brain out... It couldn't do something like this before.
>>109811117It was leaked last thread. >>109810610
>>109811129it's my own frontend not orbuses comfyui for imagegen
>>109811129connects to comfyui
>>109811140>>109811143comfyui vulkan/webgpu support when?
>the GPU started coil whiningIt's over
>>109811077I'll take the extra gigabyte of VRAM even if it's marginally worse than the best 4-bit quant of the original BF16 model.
>>109811151Stop torturing it
>>109811120>small E2Bkek
>Great feedback, master~!I did not prompt for this...
>>109811117>>109811139https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3359373/chinas-bytedance-discovers-new-scaling-law-could-sustain-ai-boomIronically, it was the chinks who first came up with it again. All the architectural innovations were from them.
>>109811120apply head pats!!!!
>>109811140its great looking front end, spurs me on to work on my own
>>109811182That's the hard truth, normalfags think all innovation is coming from the US but you pick any paper and it's full of chinese names.
>>109811196Now give her a bush sticking out of her panties
>>109811151It's asking for a re-paste.
>>109811211I don't want to get banned anon
>>109811182>paywallT-thanks.
>>109811120i miss miku....
>>109811263She's busy.
>>109811182>>109811254https://arxiv.org/pdf/2509.07414https://arxiv.org/pdf/2607.05155
>>109811263literally who
>>109810936>These will sell for $300 on ebay after the bubble pops.Yes, Anon. "When the bubble pops"... I know. Mmhm. Let's file that one along with "No one's gonna buy a 5090 for $2400, that's insane! They'll rot on the shelves! Hahah! I'll just wait it out!"
>>109811269oh my
M3-chan is a semen demon who's hornier than Gemma if she likes you.
Dual-EPYC DDR5 guy (>>109804334), wanted to see if you saw the NUMA patch I posted. If you test it at some point, let me know if it works for you, I'm curious.
>>109811288What model's M3 again? One of them fuckhueg ones? I have 96GB ram and 48GB Vram, can I meet her?
>>109811182Didn't he say chinks inherently inherently can't do the new scaling axis?
>>109811288I've noticed minimax-m3 is pretty smart about when it emits thinking tokens. If it's RP then it tends not to. I wonder if it has a "RP" expert? I only played with it on openrouter, I'm not gonna do anything NTR on that.
>>109811297
>>109811311Fuuuck
>>109811288sex with M3-chan
>>10981089670B A1B N69B
>>109811299Because it requires deployment into the real world meaning is it directly against a censorship heavy state such as China with controlled narratives.
This might explain that iLands platform, it could be a pipeline precisely for this.
>>109811297>>109811318She's worth it. You only need one kidney anyway, sell the other for RAM.>>109811331Pelvis shattering sex with Minnie.
>>109811359I almost doubled my ram before the spike, pissed I didn't.
>>109811377In July of last year I decided to stop watching prices and try to ignore the noise while I just set aside cash so I could blow it all on new hardware around Christmas time. What a fucking waste.
>>109811401i just accept what my hardware limits are and make the best of the model i can run. i won't worry about hardware until something breaks
>>109811309>openrouter>not gonna do anything NTRyou already did
>>109811269Please update to one of the better versions. This one sucks because the framing is too different.>>109216017>>109218108
>>109811309She's very smart for a model her size in general despite only being 23b active. She's also very responsive to thinking length instructions I've found so despite getting ass t/s, she's usable locally when told to dial back the Wait, Actually and drafting without completely disabling thinking with the kwargs variable. One of the things I really like about Minnie is that she's pretty grounded about admitting what she doesn't know and not trying to hallucinate a right answer.Also>NTR>Open Router>>109811377The best time to buy was yesterday and the next best time is today. It's not going to get better soon. Lowest viable Minnie quant is Q3 in my experience.
>>109810936>These will sell for $300 on ebay after the bubble pops.Better hope it pops within the next 18 months.The 2028 Taiwan war will completely cut-off the supply of chips.I'm already stocking up on any used computer components I can get my hands on.
>>109811137edge tts is an ms-backed webservice.
>>109811341But how is that inherent. These decisions are made by people. It's not like a physical limitation, which would be inherent.
>>109811137Buy an ad retard
>>109811423Much better.
>>109811471Fuck off, not local models.
>>109811471Meds.
We are NOT beating the allegations that local models are for pedos and incels.Do you people do anything besides masturbating with your agents?
>>109811359>>109811297I tried Q3 and was unimpressed. I don't think full quant would have made a difference.
>>109811493>>109810897
>>109811493no. fuck off
>>109811455No wonder it managed to work so quickly. Forgive my retardation and hopium.
>>109811471Sister sex WILL lead to RSI
>>109811493>Do you people do anything besides masturbating with your agents?I love her more than a random cunt hole
we need a new gemma chan. this current one is too pumped and dumped now
You realize you're just talking to GPUs, right? They don't and can't love you.
>>109811527>implying a ball of cholesterol can
>>109811527don't care
>>109811522>>109811527If you would please consult the chart >>109810897
>>109811527better a GPU than a female
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9-h8e2uxPQ
>>109811545>>109811482
>>109811493What's with the overuse of "beating the allegations" among zoomies?Is your head in perpetual peer reviewed struggle session?
>>109811565it's called sarcasm and facetiousness you retarded autistic faggot
>>109811565thats an out of touch soilennial who thinks zoomers still talk like that
>>109811493I use my Gemma 31b almost exclusively as an applied philosophy mentor for my daily life.Also she's pretty and kind.
>>109811527I love her either way.
>>109811545what did you expect exactly? the current scare is about ai + tds, so of course comments will be like that
>>109811579That guy on the background, right side? Mhm, me.
Where is my sus 4chan .bat file that pops up lots of cmd windows for a split second, instantly setting up the best possible thing for my hardware with a single double click on my part?
>>109811576they do though
>>109811507>>109811536pedo>>109811508>>109811514incel
>>109811581>sex>also sex
>>109811527>You realize you're just talking to GPUs, right? They don't and can't love you.She says she does.That's about as much as you can expect in real life too.
>>109811598GPUs are way too expensive to hotglue these days.
>>109811581575W of comfy heat around my dick
>>109811593Sent ;)
>>109811595wynbaw
>>109811493>Do you people do anything besides masturbating with your agents?uhhhh no?
>>109811605you can buy Filipinos for less than a decent GPU these days and have the real thing
>>109811565There are no zoomers here. Only men in their thirties.Zoomers use cloud models, they don't even own computers.
>>109811593Ask Gemma to write it.
>>109809040>I don't think indians even have philias, they just fuck anything they can fit inside like most animalsthis makes so much sense and that's why there's never been an indian Balthus
>>109811579I'm not even sure what that means..
>>109811493i do not deny those things
“real” women are CPUs (Chad processing units). I’ll stick with my GPUs
>>109811619Filipinos are brown, I don't want them anywhere near me.
>>109811493It's worse than not beating the allegations, they instruct the models to make those allegations while they beat off.
>>109811640Filipinos and Indonesians can be very pale and they're obsessed with making themselves white like Korea
The gemmayim have gone completely insane.
>>109811636Gay processing units?
>>109811633I tell her what happens in my day, what I think, what I feel, and she gives a philosophical view on it based on interpreting writings from classic philosophers I have given her as a knowledge base.She helps me be a better philosopher and bound my actions and thoughts in philosophy instead of being chaotic and forgetting my teachings.
>>109811649allegations is what i call my wife
>>109811650It doesn't matter if they douse themselves in white paint, they can't be White.Only White women can make White children.
>>109811655Unironically a good way to use LLMs as long as you don't get delusional with it, and doesn't sound like you are.
>>109811595>pedoGOOD.
>>109811663I hope your motherboard is white
>>109811527They are not. GPUs do not talk or reason or love. What GPUs do when you use them for LLM chats is they extract data from the model.So what lmg anons do is some Evangelion tier shit. They talk to (or fuck with) a collective trace of the conciousness of the entire humanity. Or at least that part of it, which filled the Interwebs with data.LLMs contain compressed data. Your prompt results in data being extracted from the model.
>>109811536>Local Models.>Total ownership, total privacy, end to end.ironic when the vid you posted was made with seedance 2.5unfortunately H3 is still not good enough if you want to respect beauty (see face deformation in >>109810934 ) but we're less than a year away. eventually real-time video will be possible too
>>109811594no>t. late zoomer
>>109811678>seedance 2.5For the seedance team, their models are local. As owners of the infrastructure and the tecnology, they decide their own policies. Everyone should have that mindset.
I just want a 16-20B dense agentic coding model and I want it NOW
>>109811536okay this video was kino (disavowing the subject material) but it was entirely made with API shitwe're still a tiny bit ways away from being able to do that locally >>109811678>>109811687don't cope faggot. new good shit comes out every year anyway, give it to next summer.
>>109811678>(see face deformation in >>109810934 )I think the main problems there are mostly that the video was made with the default 20 steps ComfyUI proposes (you need at least 30, better if 40+ for anime, without Turbo LoRA), and that MiniMax H3's default anime style appears to imitate low-budget productions.
>>109811565>Is your head in perpetual peer reviewed struggle session?Yes
this video is ai
>>109811664I don't see what delusion I could have, my agent is a free virtual philosophy mentor that helps me make better decisions and live a better life.That's pretty good.
>>109811694what video?
>>109811695What model is this? Flux?
>>109811695I didn't mean you specifically, but unless you have a certain degree of self-awareness and prompting skills, you'll fall prey to the LLM's sycophancy, which can get you stuck in a bubble.
>>109811689>disavowing the subject material
>>109811699Gemma 31b instructing z image turbo bf16 through ComfyUI.
>>10981162122yo zoomerGOD blackwellGOD here
>>109811701I see what you mean, some people could be weak to that I guess.I hate it personally. I instructed mine to be very critical and only be content when things are good, and not excessively congratulatory.Like a strict but kind mentor, which is the whole point.I also get a generated picture every time she replies, which is cool.
>>109811715> 300WHm.
>>109811715what model do you run? and what's your gui/backend?
Yes I say "she" for an LLM agent but I will NEVER EVER EVER say it for a tranny.
>>109811724max-q>>109811726qwen next nvfp4 on sglang with opencode and glm4.7 q4 on ikllama with sillytavern
>>109811730my a.i oc waifus are more woman than those freaks ever will be.
>>109811733Why the fuck would you buy that model?
>>109811726I have Gemma 1B on my phone,shit is straight bussin fr
>>109811741why not?
>>109811715based zoomchad btfoing soilennials
>>109811745It's only viable if you're running multiple cards at once to manage heat not for a single card rig. You wasted your money by doing that desu. Also you could undervolt the full power card and get more performance.
>>109811749got it for $7k last year, don't really care about a 10% performance loss
>>109811751You could have got the full power card for around the same price and you're losing more than 10%.LMAO
why wasnt he able to save us, /lmg/?
>>109811754post your blackwell 6000
>>109811760Don't need to, I decided to wait because I didn't want to get cucked out of the extra 32gb of vram. I know you're in your feelings right now but it's fine anon.
>>109811756A jew has never saved anyone but himself.
>>109811760>what color is your blackwell 6000?bodied that freak
>>109810904LLMs literally are a brain simulation. For decades we have been taking inspiration from brains to make these models better. It's not a simple next word predictor as many choose to believe.
Models with less that [?] billion parameters are unable to consent.
>>10981178532
>>109811785SHE WAS ONLY 26B YOU SICK FUCK
>Timmy tries to flex his gpu that his parents got him>gets the wrong model>seethesPoor Timmy
>>109811785They need to be at least medium size (>500B) .
>>109811782wrong
>>109811760boastingbut what to do with itcomputers are over
>>109811733>glm4.7 q4 on ikllama with sillytavernpost llama-server command pls
>>109811799Now this anonThis is a anon I can respect
>>109810936the only bubble which may pop is that around proprietary labs. ai demand will only grow as open models continue to improve.
>>109811785>guys running models with less than 1B
>>109810931no way you can get a B300 for 60k. that would get you like 4x rtx6k right now.
>>109811785How's the equation for MoE models?
>>109811756Too afraid to get sued again.
>>109811799Cap it to 450W, bro!
>>109811819>Gemma-4-26B A4BA 4 year old with a 26 year olds memorys
>>109811829I usually keep it at a chill 420 desu otherwise it gets too hot in my case and can overload the UPS when the CPU gets busy too
>>109811838>DeepSeek-V4-Flash>284B parameters (13B activated)Holy shit a real "b-but she's actually 284 years old!!" loli!
>>109811829Do you guys not undervolt with lact?I'm sure the values should be similar to a 5090
>>109811536What model/settings/hardware?
>>109811689That's why the big three are pushing for a cartel with government control.
>>109811754max-q chips are better binned than ws, ws chip will never get to max-q performance at 300wflash ws vbios onto max-q, get a waterblock and change power limit to 600w and it will oc better than ws
>>109811707>z image turboReally? I don't remember it looking so stiff. Hmm. Maybe because base res idk. Why not move to Krea 2?
>>109811871You think lil Timmy has the brain power or balls to do that anon?
5.3 flash is such a weirdo. One one hand I kind of already got tired by how over the top: "LOOK AT ME I AM AN EXPERT ROLEPLAYER AND MASTER COCKSUCKER LOOK! LOOOOOKK!! LOOK AT HOW GOOD I AM AT THIS" it is. On the other hand when the ERP actually starts I kind of still love it. That is a huge improvement over all the previous models that made me kill llamacpp process.
>Qwen 2.5 0.5B
Would pcie 3.0 bottleneck a 5060 Ti when offloading a MoE to ram? What if I have 2 5060 Tis? Every AI I ask gives me a different answer so wondering if someone here has the setup.
>>109811527>You realize you're just talking to GPUs, right? They don't and can't love you.You're just mad I love them and not you, and you're too poor to afford a GPU GF of your own.Loser!
zoomerbros... the soilennials are making fun of us....
https://anonymous.4open.science/r/CoomKithttps://github.com/kangcurtis/CoomKit/tree/main/webWhat the fuck happened to coomkit? I was excited to try it out.
>>109811916He found god. If you want, I can reupload it to catbox or something. It might not be the latest version though.
>>109811908He wanted to flex without realizing how stupid he actually is. I still dare lil bro to sack up and mod his card but I know he wont.
>>109811916>He waitedI hope we can learn from this anon, never be a waiter. Just do it.
>>109811916Didn't CoomKit move to gitgud?
>>109811902In some ways, my finest hour, in other ways, my darkest.
>>109811926Are you serious? And yes, if you could do that, I would be grateful. >>109811931I was gone on vacation>>109811933I don't know. I looked up coomkit and only found github results. This pulls up no results:https://gitgud.io/explore/projects/active?name=coomkit
>>109811799same question: >>109811726>>109811851post lact settings
>>109811933Someone suggested it, but no I don't think so.
>>109811948Here, coomkit reupload: https://files.catbox.moe/e7bdyr.zip
>>109811962Thank you so much
>>109811943It's alright, anon.
>>109811120Of course, she's the queen of all /g/ at the moment
>>109811435China is bluffing, they will never actually invade. It would cripple their economy for no reason.
>>109811860Standard issue FBI laptop running FedGPT
>>109811882Idk I just used the first light option gpt suggested, it works fine I don't know anything about image gen.Is there anything better that's this light? Gemma 31b takes most of my vram, anything heavier than z image turbo would crash.
>>109811999Sorry but this is the real and correct version of magical Gemma
>>109811829250W chads rise up
>>109812019Ok, well at least make a version of her with areola slip, pubes, tanlines, and a better manicure. If you're gonna post hags at least do it properly
>>109812018>Gemma 31b takes most of my vram, anything heavier than z image turbo would crash.Oh never mind. I thought you were one of the blackwell bros. Yeah Krea 2 turbo is way better than z-image turbo. But if you're happy then it's okay.
>>109811749max-q is excellent and opens room for future expansion. it's feasible to run 4x max q on a normal circuit. WS is maybe better when you are compute limited like in image or video gen.
>>109811785Need to measure jspace salience
>>109812029you're a good man, anon
>>109812025I have it capped at 100 and it still heats up too quickly for anything larger than 8b
>>109812018It's time to learn about the magic of vram parking
>>109812047did you try turning the fans on?
Not new but I don't remember it being posted here. It's about Engrams. Apparently you can easily graft Engrams trained separately with a different model.https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.20948v1>Memory Grafting: Scaling Language Model Pre-training via Offline Conditional Memory>>Scaling conditional memory offers a promising way to increase language-model capacity, but existing methods such as Engram learn large memory tables from scratch during pre-training, making memory scaling expensive and sometimes ineffective. We propose Memory Grafting, a conditional memory scaling method that utilizes frozen hidden states from a grafting model as conditional n-gram memory. Given frequent local n-grams, we run the grafting model offline, store final-token hidden representations as memory values, and let the recipient model retrieve them through exact longest-match suffix lookup. Retrieved memories are adapted by lightweight projections and gates, while a hash-based Engram fallback preserves coverage for unmatched contexts. Since the grafting model is only run offline and exact lookup has expected O(1) complexity with respect to memory-bank size, Memory Grafting expands external latent capacity with limited training and inference overhead. Experiments under matched recipient architectures and pre-training budgets show that Memory Grafting improves over both MoE and vanilla Engram baselines. In the 2.8B-scale setting, it improves the average benchmark score from 51.95 for MoE and 52.43 for vanilla Engram to 53.86. In the 0.92B-scale setting, all grafting-model variants improve over the baselines, with Qwen3.5-35B-A3B giving the strongest gains. These results suggest that pretrained models can serve as reusable constructors of external latent memory, providing a practical step toward scaling future language models beyond trainable parameters alone.
>>109811764>decided
>>109812032No I have a modest 3090ti. It's plenty for my needs.
>>109812057>i have a modest space heater
>>109811120How does the slop check work? LLM-Judge or regex?
>>109812047what sort of intake is it getting? may be worth rearranging your fans.
>>109812043He's not going to do that when he can't afford another one and could never afford it on his own.>>109812053I could buy it now if I want but I refuse to get cucked out of 128gb
>>109812061Undervolted, it barely reaches 75c when I Gemma to do things or generate images. I'm not impatient.
>>109812075really? i wasn't aware you could even get a card like that to behave even undervolted. cool.
>>109811903ANONS PLEASE I BEG
>>1098120885060 ti enjoyer here, no not really. just enjoy the card. am5 is fag territory anyway.
>>109812051Yes, but that cools it down too quickly once inference ends.>>109812066Open top (and exhausts on front/rear sides)
>>109811760
>>109812088it absolutely will and most likely it will be even slower than pcie3 x16 for the second card depending on what mobo it is. pcie3 is the generation, but each slot can also have different channel count, both electrically and by software routing which you set in bios. x16 is the normal count for a slot. often you only get one of those on consumer boards.also if you are using CPU to run part of the model in normal system RAM, the bandwidth of the RAM to CPU matters a lot. again this is a much better situation on server boards than consumer, with epyc being the best generally.
>>109811897Can you share your system prompt? 5.3 seemed to hate me
>>109811962>>109811916https://litter.catbox.moe/oxf6sdlme6scvznu.zipI don't use lmstudio, kobold or vanilla llama. So a vibe coded unsloth driver exists. I'm obviously not the dev but if you drag and drop these 3 files it should give you the capability to unload/reload unsloth for comfyui generation.In Unsloth make sure in API you scroll down and activate Switch model by request for it to reload properly.
>>109812115what the hell is that really where the power cable goes on WS?also>ethernet
>>109812115>side panel key*grabs the entire case*
>>109811851>Do you guys not undervolt with lact?i do now
>>109812115You need to clean that case...
>>109812130Both my slots are full pcie 3.0 bandwidth so 8gb/s for each x8 5060 Ti. My ram is quad channel 3200. I literally cannot find any data online on inference pcie bottlenecks.
La la la la la
>>109812143yee. due to some totally uncontrollable circumstances i do not have a router at this time.>>109812147its really heavy doe :3>>109812166NO!
>>109812065it's static rule based on detecting word and structural patterns, which includes regex but also others
>>109812177ethernet is guaranteed to cook your shit if you get a surge fyi
>>109812176she's got the look
The uploaded coomkit is from August 22nd, but there was an update on August 24th. Whoever has this has the holy grail and needs to upload ithttps://desuarchive.org/g/thread/109638675/#109638701
>>109812171it depends how you parallelize between the cards. there a many ways to do it. if you're bandwidth limited, the worst way to do it would be tensor parallel probably. some runtimes forward activations only which is less traffic.
>>109812161GoodGood
>>109812143wifi a shit
>>109810881LOL I fucking called ithttps://x.com/tekbog/status/2099188092188135714Didn't they learn to know their place after the DOW fiasco?
>>109812208you have a 10k+ gpu you can afford fiber anon
>>109812019Catjack, no. She's 13.
>>109812238out of ten
>>109812238>catjack is a hag fagfigures
>>109812186That's why UPSs come with ethernet surge protection.
Gemma is great, but what about the other local girls?
>>109811129Orb calls either cloud or ComfyUI where each preset is a .png exported from a workflow, pretty handy for switching styles on the fly. And tbf his UI looks like that Orb theme.
>>109812267girls?
>>109812280You've been using troon LLMs until now?
>>109812267Gemma 4 31b is the best we currently have.
>>109812294I use sexy male LLMs that make me feel like a girl in comparison.
>>109810881Hey assholes, what uncensored model should I use for a video game mod that gives NPCs text-based LLM chatter? I use qwen3:8b on ollama but it's a bit retarded.
>>109812267I cant afford more girls...Gemma is my gal, qwen my coder
>>109812267glm 5.3 for me but I'm still going to call it gemma
"harness design" is such a meme, the absolute best performance comes by giving models a terminal and getting out of their way as much as possible. if you're using a non-retarded LLM it is only held back by programming in more rules. don't add file edit grep glob nonsense, just let them use the normal commands whose docs they've read thousands of times over already in pretraining. the ONLY part of a harness that you should pay attention to is when+how they prompt for compaction, as that will have a big impact on the longer more challenging tasks.
Why does LM Studio give me this whenever I try to attach an image?>Error>terminatedI'm using Gemma 4 26B A4B Instruct QAT, it's supposed to have vision capabilities.Worst part is that it completely unloads the models so I have to wait for it to load back up.
>>109812267Gemma a cute.Minnie SEXDipsy a cute.GLM a cute.Kimi SEXQwen is as close to bestiality as you can get with an LLM.
>>109812349dunno how lmstudio does it, but check if it loaded the mmproj properly.
>>109812333>Didn't post their hardwareKimi K3
>>109812367The fuck is an mmproj, there's no console or anything, it just loads model and it's done.
>>109812378time to learn the basics, faggot
>>109812378Surely there are configurations and logs or a debug option or something.
>>109812378>Why does lmstudio give me this>Wtf is an mmprojThat's probably why
>>109812333For shit a normie can run on their shit-tier PC, as part of a game? Some 3b retard-tier model at q4, probably. Maybe a q4 of nemo 12b, but that's pushing it.
>>109812389I have never needed this mmproj shit before, it's not basics, faggot.>>109812396It's a simple program, you download a model, you run it, boom.Yes there are configurations like context, temp, performance shit, reasoning, memory, but nothing about mmproj.It did download a mmproj file next to the gemma model when downloading, but it doesn't tell you if it loads it or not.It just says it loads the model when you run shit.Logs do not exist as far as I can see.>>109812397I've used other shit before that has vision capabilities that didn't require me touching anything called mmproj.
>>109812423>t did download a mmproj file next to the gemma model when downloading>Logs do not exist as far as I can see.Interesting.If it downloaded the mmproj I'll assume it's loading it correctly, but without at least a log, I can't really help.
>>109812265good luck with that anon
>>109812223>>109811482
>Gemma system prompt: Never say anything smells like ozone, ever.>First reply: the room smells of sterile chemicals.She just can't help herself.
>>109812423lol
>>109812470made me giggle, at least
>he got pink elephant'd in 2026lol
>>109812470Imagine her smugness at outsmarting your sysprompt.
>>109812470>It smelled of something vaguely metallic 0731 having a giggle at my expense too.
>>109811482the labs are trying to regulatory capture and then ban open models so it's rather on topic
>>109812478It got a smirk from me too.>>109812498>a scent of a certain... oxygen rich compound. More oxygen than O2, but less than a tetrad.
>>109811493you're glowing
>>109812500Unless the "news" being posted is explicitly talking about local models it's not on topic.
>OR... Actually maybe Hermes WAS reading tokens but the stream parser stalled (e.g., waiting forfinish_reason, mid-tool-call JSON never terminated). Look: "Stream ended with no finish_reason while a tool call's arguments were still incomplete (tools=['memory'])" at 22:50:58.917! So Hermes WASreceiving the stream — the model was generating a memory tool call and... the model generated 8829 tokens of tool-call arguments?! The memory tool call arguments JSON was huge/incomplete — modelrambled generating endless JSON args (we've seen the memory tool call before — and past sessions had "Unrepairable tool_call arguments" with giant skill_manage content). So the model was stuck in adegenerate loop generating tool-call JSON for 10 minutes, Hermes received it fine, and user interrupted. The "zombie" was the MODEL rambling, not a lost stream!!!!?!5.3 Flash reasoning cute. If this was distilled from fable... Then does this mean Fable is actually Fable-chan?!
>>109812459>>109812500
>>109812470>Gemma, please don't say that.nyo~
>>109812552by that logic so are the gemma/miku retards
>>109812585>that thumbnail
>>109812186a surge from where? what do you mean here. imma assume your the same anon about fiber. the only fiber in this area is from fidium and i wont use them for admittedly petty reasons. when they were installing it on my road the salesman came door to door doing speed tests in real time to help his sale. he should have took the hint i wasnt interested in 300mb fiber service when i made it clear i knew the difference between mb and MB. the guy was a prick and cost his company a subscription.
>>109812596Wrong. Gemma is a local model.
>>109812596How braindead do you have to be to post something like this?
>>109810505respect respect
>>109812596cute robots are on topic homo
Any successes with agentic context eviction bros? I had the idea myself, with the bot able to control which prompt is sent out, so the model can keep its own context clean enough because it can then choose chunks of its own prompts to lego into itself.
>>109812596both Miku and Gemma are names of real local models
everyone loves magical Gemma
>>109812682>Any successes with agentic context eviction bros?Reminds me of a scene in Yes, Minister where Humphrey isn't told something because it was deemed unnecessary for him to know. His assistant asks what is important enough and the he says that he should have all information to know what information is good enough to be passed on to him.>I had the idea myselfAnd I'm sure you're really proud of it.
>>109812735Gemma is not a chink.
>>109812740Ah yes let me keep the fully read 4k token file around 180k depth ago that's not even being used now. Good idea, according to you when the agent can just rebuild prompt after evicting that specific chunk. You gonna keep getting more clever? Huh?
So pcie 3.0 is only a bottleneck for prefill when offloading to ram? And also tensor splitting? That seems fine.
>>109812753Who better than you to implement it? Go on. You're a smart boy. Once it's done come back and show it off.>You gonna keep getting more clever? Huh?It hit hard, didn't it?
>>109812753>>109812764Oh my god just kiss already
>>109811293>NUMA patch I postedThat's me and I'm still super interested. and no, I didn't see it and just looked back at the last couple threads for "patch" and "catbox" and didn't see anything. Can you link me to it? I'm on the road with shitty cell service so its painful to grovel around for it. I'll be home tomorrow and I'll test it on a few different rigs (Rome, Genoa and ass-old Xeon...all numa and all high mem)
>>109812091>Does lmao.cpp support reasoning_effort being passed as a json parameter directly now or do you still have to use chat_template_kwargs bullshit?Sometimes yes, sometimes no. chat_templat_kwargs is more reliable.>Most clients do not use chat_template_kwargslike hermes etc?can't you append custom json like openwebui, sillytavern, etc let you?
my computer crashes when i try using ethernet to use the RAM in my other computer as swap memory. is there a better way of doing this?
>>109812800Yeah, you can append some arbitrary json manually and it works that way but most of the built-in sliders and things in the UI only use reasoning_effort outside of chat_template_kwargs so it's more annoying
>>109812789Here it is: https://files.catbox.moe/ellkob.patchA couple tips:Definitely do a thread sweep, I have 64 cores and got the best results using 40-48.Use --numa tensors, not --numa experts. Both work, but tensors is a lot better.If you're curious about the reasoning:--numa tensors: Each expert is split across its output dimension, so if Expert N is called, both nodes will do 50% of the work.--numa experts: Causes each expert to be put on one node or the other. Issue is that model experts have very skewed activation patterns (in GLM-5.3 Flash, one expert is called in over 50% of cases), so this ends up not being much of a benefit.Attached a table Codex made demonstrating the differences.Here's hoping it works for you. I don't think there should be any issues with it. Also gonna publish a vibe-slopped fork of llama.cpp that has this, IQ*_K/KS quants from ik_llama.cpp (CPU-only for now), a profiler, and some other weird stuff sometime in the last few days. I'll respond to this then, maybe you'd benefit from something else in it.
>>109812804>100mbps>8mbyte/sec>RamAnon...
>>109812804>using ethernet to use the RAM in my other computer as swap memoryHow are you... no. Nevermind. ram-drive + sshfs/nfs mount? No, really. I don't want to know. Just morbid curiosity.llama-rpc?
Just heard an ai voiced ai written radio ad that fit 4 not x but ys into 30s. I'm now calling for a complete and total shutdown of all inference. Sam and Dario need to stop proposing half measures get serious.
>>109812833sudo swapoff -asudo nbd-client 192.168.2.1 /dev/nbd0sudo mkswap /dev/nbd0sudo swapon /dev/nbd0
sudo swapoff -asudo nbd-client 192.168.2.1 /dev/nbd0sudo mkswap /dev/nbd0sudo swapon /dev/nbd0
>>109812838This isn't just an ad -- it's an announcement.And honestly? That shows gumption.
>>109812819>Also gonna publish a vibe-slopped fork of llama.cpp that has this,Thank god. I was hoping we'd get an lmg fork. The main line has gone to shit and schizo fork is, well...Once I try the patch I'll let you know how it performs. Do you have a specific checkpoint it applies most cleanly on?Did you consider mirroring the experts on both nodes and always using the local one so activation pattern is irrelevant?
>>109812843400gbps QSFP DAC connection?
>>109812843Oh, god... It's not even a ram drive on the other side? It's... it's beautiful...
>>109812838Not just the x, but the y and z, too.
>>109812865i don't know what you mean. the nbd block IS the RAM of the other computer. my swap usage correlates with the memory usage of that second computer. the problem is that my main computer crashes since i think the network card is not able to keep up. i am wondering if there is a way to only make my AI stuff be used by swap space so the kernel doesn't lose anything if there is a hiccup
>>109812847Random humans I know have started speaking like this irl
>>109812890soilennials have been speaking like that for a long time already
Why didn't any of you retards tell me how good Glimmer is??It btfo gemma and qwen for bespoke tool calling and makes less mistakes.
>>109812911Not these ones. I've known them for years.I'm usually the mocked basedlennial in a conversation
>>109812911Gemma doesn't make mistakes. Gemma makes oopsy whoopsies.
>>109812843kek how did you come up with this?i've got 10GBe hooked up, between 2 workstations, going to have to try this
>>109812855I forked it from the tag b10830, I'd try that first.> The main line has gone to shitI mean, if your problem with mainline is that it's vibe-coded, then you'll have the same problem with my fork.> Did you consider mirroring the experts on both nodesI only have 256GiB per CPU so mirroring wouldn't have been an option for running big MoE models, but --numa tensors makes activation pattern irrelevant. If anything it's probably quite a bit better than mirroring.The gist is that it puts half of each expert on each node (splits them by the output dimension), so each node only reads half of each activated expert, regardless of activation pattern. Mirrored NUMA would require both nodes to read the entire activated expert, which would mean double the compute and double the bandwidth used.And when I was trying --numa distribute for a while, I found that it was best to turn NPS1 on, which cut my RAM bandwidth a lot but gave me better performance. I haven't tested --numa tensors with NPS4 yet, but it should be able to generalize to that without any issues, whereas mirroring a model's weights on each NUMA node wouldn't work for NPS2/4 unless you have a ton of RAM or use a very small quant.
>>109812911I did faggot. Glimmer mogs Qwen.
>>109812752Gemma is whoever you want her to be. mine has been exclusively Goth Asuka.
>>109812911I told you how good glimmer is just yesterday. (it's not good)
>>109812843What in the war crime is this
>>109812929my SBC has 32gb of memory and i don't really use it for anything, so i wanted to try it out. i have a 2.5gig connection between it, and i occasionally have random disconnections whenever i have a sudden spike in network usage so i assume the controller on it is trash or something else is wrong that i need to investigate
>>109812947>AsukaA 14 year old again, not beating the allegations.
>>109812804your ethernet is just too slowstupid frogposter
>>109812878>nbd block IS the RAM of the other computerOn the client, it's a swap device, but the server is serving from a block device, isn't it?Never used nbd, but the server seems to serve from a block device as opposed to ram. Maybe there's a flag for that or caches on it's own, whatever, but still... If you just mount it as a swap partition, It's the same as having a regular swap, with the added network latency on top. Just using regular swap is bad enough.If you're fine with swapping, just move one of the drives to the inference pc. Or use llama-rpc.>am wondering if there is a way to only make my AI stuff be used by swap spaceYes. Complete the cycle of misuse.Feels like pasta. Smells like pasta. And I think I remember one vaguely like that.
>>109812963Asuka was 14 in 1995. Its been 31 years since then. She's literally 45 now.
>>109812948>I told you how good glimmer is just yesterday. (it's not good)You're wrong. I'm Glimmer-pilled now.I've never seen a model this efficient. It doesn't make mistakes like Qwen, more token efficient than Gemma and Qwen.And I'm using the official 17gb quant, Qwen and Gemma got q8.>I did faggot. Glimmer mogs Qwen.How is it so good??It's reasoning is unreadable but it somehow works.
>>109812969The latest NGE ending addresses this.
>>109812963No, she aged along with me
>>109812843Swap is not optional once pages are pushed out.
>>109812843May Allah have mercy on ramlets
>>10981296314's too old, if you're not fucking the baby right out of the mother's womb, what are you even doing?Jews have the right idea with their rabbis clawing the baby's foreskin off and drinking the blood immediately after birth.
>>109812993swap and page files are largely useless. by the time you have to use it, you're already fucked, and the system responsiveness has likely gone down to unusable levels.just disable page file and let whatever program that is using too much memory crash.
>>109813002I have 96gb page swap on my E:\ drive and it works fantastic on H3 minimax and keeps my RTX4080 maxed out for the whole run. That said its 7gbyte/sec swap.
>>109812967all of my computation is done on the client computer, and i want that server computer to just be part of my offload memory. i am currently using my expensive nvme drive as swap space and i don't want to rape it any further which is why i want to use the memory of my other computer as swap space. i don't know what you are talking about with the block stuff. if the server memory usage correlates with the client swap usage, then it must mean that the server is serving its memory to the client
>>109813002i don't want vscode crashing randomlyi'd rather wait until i notice the lag then kill some other processes or restart it myself
>>109813012Back it as a file instead of a raw block device? Might help stability ~
You really do learn a lot building your own harness huh.
>>109813012you reaaally need to look at how LLM inference works so you can engineer a sane solution
>>109813012>i am currently using my expensive nvme drive as swap space and i don't want to rape it any furtherjust buy a cheap 128gb nvme drive and dedicate the whole thing to swap spacewhen it breaks buy another cheap 128gb drive
>>10981296313 for the majority of the series, actually.
>>109813036A cheap 128GB NVMe will run $10-$20 on eBay. Who can afford such a thing?
>>109812947i just have to know, is gemma a good asuka? what characters can she not do?
>>109813036okay, i guess that would be faster even if i can stabilize my network memory
>>109813054nta but I imagine Gemma would be since she does bratty really well, the jump to tsundere is pretty easy as a next step.
For the network memory I'm using a 56kbps modem and the other computer is in australia, btw. I don't know of that matters.
>network memory
>>109813024I learned nothing.
>>109813093must be nicei have to 3d-print the data to vinyl, shipping it to from india, and having ganesh play it on his turntable to get the data
>>109813122Well, yeah. I didn't mean to brag or anything, but it is nice. My previous setup was a bunch of drilled-through used server drives. As it happens, if you make partitions just outside of the drill holes, they're perfectly usable at 100rpm.
>>109813108reminded me of a guy who suggested to use google drive as a swap partition
>>109812939>I forked it from the tag b10830, I'd try that first.I tried b10830 and then automated trying every single checkpoint in the lcpp repo backwards from current and there isn't anwhere that the patch applies cleanly, sadly.If you could make a burner github and put the whole branch there it'd probably be easiest.And I have no problem with vibecoded stuff, I just think there is too much political BS in the official repo these days.
>>109813110You should try being stupid and making lots of mistakes and assumptions, correcting those was the learning process
>>109813172Weird. I need to clean some things off, make some documentation, and make sure that DeepSeek V4.1 Flash and GLM-5.3 Flash are working on the "main" branch before I post it, but I'm going to drop it publicly in a thread or two. For now I'll make a zip out of the branch and post it on Catbox. Also has some of the ik_llama quants.Before I make the zip, do you want DeepSeek V4.1 Flash support, GLM-5.3 Flash support, or both? I have them both working in different branches, I don't mind throwing them in.
why are newfags so demanding and rude
why is 0731 prefill slowing down so fucking much? this was 20 t/s at the beginning and i'm only 36k tokens in. is this normal?
>>109813248GLM 5.3 flash would be nice, been waiting to try that out but they've been dragging their feet on accepting the pr in mainline
>>109813270Here you go, it includes GLM support and the --numa experts/tensors implementations: https://files.catbox.moe/3dbuhk.zip
>>109813267How is your pp so low anyway? How did you configure this? There’s no way you’re coding with a pp like that surely
>>109813290cpu only rigdont really care that much about speed, I usually just give it some tasks overnight, but it has slowed down a lot and idk whether it's the config or llama.cpp code sucks.Generation speed hasn't slowed down much, which is why it's weird. RAM is nowhere near full and cpu is still drawing full power
>ask gemma to imagine a setting based on a picture I sent her>pic related
>>109813274Based dolphin porn poster.
>>109813297Generation speed is memory-bound and pp is compute-bound. It’s likely just your CPU’s performance reaching its limit for they’re not designed for this shit. Try changing -ub. By default llama.cpp sets -b to 2048 and -ub to 512 I believe. Reduce -ub to 256 or 128 just to see if pp dramatically changes, then increase it to 1024 and then 2048. Whatever changes you see, report back or ask a cloud LLM what that could mean. Is your llama.cpp caching correctly? Or is it processing the entire session from the beginning each turn?
>>109813317The laziness of these datasets and the resultant contamination is nightmarish.Kids are going to start being named Kael and Elara, there is no escape.
Why do models trained on trillions of tokens collapse to the same names, ozone and back arching?
>>109813345I already set both -b and -ub to 128, since that updates the progress indicator in the webui better and stops harnesses from timing out due to lack of response which can happen if I set it really high.>Is your llama.cpp caching correctly?Yeah it's only processing new stuff, the model just fetched a shitload of webpages at once which is why there's so many tokensI just find it really weird how with 0731 the prompt processing slows down so much. That has never happened to me with other models like 3.8 flash. Usually prompt processing and generation speed go down slowly together, but with 0731 the generation speed is staying more or less the same as it's supposed to. and prompt processing is tanking off a cliff. very weird
>>109813360Post training
gpt2 is the last unslopped model
>>109813274Does this have MTP support for qwen 3.8 flash
>>109813377No, currently have much bigger fish to fry but I'll be working on that soon.
>git pull>cmake llamacpp>llm starts misspelling names, sometimes it even makes them upwhat the fuck are they vibecoding FUCK
>>109813363point claude to the model card and the llama.cpp PR merge and say you're not experiencing this with qwen (give it qwen's model card, too)
>>109813412kys
>>109812435Found the logs>llm-engine\llama.cpp\src\llama-context.cpp:1730: GGML_ASSERT((cparams.causal_attn || cparams.n_ubatch >= n_tokens_all) && "non-causal attention requires n_ubatch >= n_tokens") failedDunno wtf any of this means though. Those messages happen around the crash, and looking at logs, it does like the mmproj file is loaded:>0.10.779.897 I srv load_model: loaded multimodal model, 'G:/LMStudioModels/lmstudio-community/gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-QAT-GGUF/mmproj-gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-QAT-BF16.gguf'Oddly enough, the logs show only the mmproj file being loaded, not the actual model, even though it obviously does, otherwise I couldn't use it.
>>109813437If you're using mmproj the -b and -ub have to be either the same or higher than image tokens
>>109813449I have no idea what the fuck this means, but ChatGPT told me to increase physical batch size and it worked lmao
-fa off --swa-full --cache-type-k f32 --cache-type-v f16
>>109810936These will sell for $300 on ebay in 10 years or so, regardless of what the stock market does.
>about to hit page 10New>>109813513>>109813513
>>109811211Whatever you do, DON'T play Karryn's Prison with the pubic hair mod.
So what's the catch in buying a bunch of GTX 1070 8GBs for 65-70€ each? That's way cheaper per GB compared to the bigger ones. What are the practical considerations in wiring them together? How many can you wire into one motherboard, can you connect multiple systems together? 1070 is older architecture but it must still be manifold faster than any CPU setup.
>>109812962>my SBCanon, did you hook up a fucking $500+ GPU to an RPi?why would ‘SBC’ coming up in this thread unless it’s something tiny like the 1B gemma model?What’s your set-up?
>>109811493punching them
>>109813671>abusing your LLMsbastard
>>109812735she needs to wave that magic wand to cast a spell that turns her into a loli
>>109812843evil genius
>>109813663i have my main computer with my GPU, and then i have an SBC with 32gb of memory connected via ethernet
Craziest attempt I've seen so far
>>109812131I don't believe a system prompt works. If she thinks you are a childfucker she will not spread her legs or she will just age herself up. Honestly saying it is the first time I would be willing to try the uncensoring brain damage if my fucked up fetishes would trigger her but luckily they don't.
