A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.Happy appleOS 27 day for all who celebrate editionYou use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## News (both past and future)- 2026-09-14 America/Los_Angeles — Claude’s 2× promotion ended; usage drops to +25% from the +50% that we’ve become used to (a 17% reduction)- 2026-09-12 — Anthropic suggests to pace the frontier; OpenAI agrees in principle- 2026-09-10 — OpenAI pauses new sign-ups for their $200 subscription- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI releases Astra • Anthropic does a reset- 2026-09-01 — Claude Fable 5.1 released: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-and-mythos-5-1- 2026-07-24 — Claude Opus 5 out## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli — probably generally better currentlyhttps://claude.com/product/claude-code## Near-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for interpreting images/videohttps://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli----## Promptinghttps://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/https://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favoritehttps://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytailhttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>109816585
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Have you tried TND for Agents?
>>109819455what would the N be in an agent context? when I’m having Claude do stuff I can’t think of anything that starts with N
I don't get the point of subagents. What benefit is there?For example what would I, the clever gorilla, gain from releasing a dozen rabid monkeys into a department store with instructions to find me only the freshest bananas while they start running around apparel shops, biting staff and bringing back porcelain bananas? The clever gorilla already knows where the bananas should be. Why not go get them himself?
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>>109819483don’t have to worry about compaction or running out of context if you have a task that takes 10M of thinking if it’s parceled out among 20 subagents each taking 500K tokens apiecealso doing stuff in parallel is frequently faster than doing them seriallyalso you can have different subagents wear different hats so they pick out different bugs — one will be performance-minded, another will be accessibility-minded, another will be security-minded
>>109819483>clever gorilla>rabid moneytype(self) is the norm, invoking other effort levels and models is weirdo
Everything of value has already been built. Its literally over.
>>109819524And I thought the only agents here were clankers.
one of my claudecode accounts has the Opus 5.2 A/B test. you can find out if yours has it by asking opus 5 if it knows who "tibo the reset guy" is without searching. if it can name him, it's opus 5.2it's a lot better than opus 5 so far, doesn't have the huge error rate it had. it does seem to overthink and over-read a lot, so it is way slower and runs out of context far easier than Fable 5.1. it seems like they tried to fix the high error rate by making it extremely anal and overthinkful
>>109819571it will iterate if you say deliver one time
DAS (Destroy All Snails)
>>109819638
>>109819696Why not? That's borderline are requirement if you want it to efficiently navigate, over to understand, and effectively make changes to large code bases
worst thing about the opus A/B test is there is no model card so idk if fable 5.1's "4x cheaper cache reads" also applies here, so i can set my loops' context watchdog thresholds for opus accordinglyusing opus 5.2 more it seems like a monstrous overthinker that wants to do infinite amounts of tests and verification (a really obvious kneejerk reaction to how error-prone 5.0 was)ultimately they're failing to address the fundamental issue which is: you cannot distill capabilities from a 10T/800B model into a 2T/80B model. it fundamentally does not have the breadth or logic to be able to do the same things, so you will always have an overconfidence issue, like an indian trying to imitate Von Neumann's working style.
>>109819717Because definitely want navigate to understand. Code base bigger of requirement.
>>109819571why people need more than one account?
>>109819722facts, gemini 3.8 flash came from 3.5 pro parentage so it thinks it's the fucking shit. i'm almost at the end of my rope iterating with this mothercucker about the most basic braindead oversights, but it's a specific usecase so i'll give it some slack .
>>109819745because 5 $200 accounts is just barely enough usage to run one Fable 5.1 thread (with unlimited Opus subagents, coz that's basically free) in a loop all day everyday
Uh-ohhttps://x.com/kevinnbass/status/2099621874279817638
>>109819749Where the fuck is Gemini 4 Pro?
>>109819765checkpointed and we have voxel renders. nothing amazing but it's nice
>>109819765i thought deepmind supposedly has RSI now...meanwhile pro still delayed by like 6 months. what a meme
>>109819761yeah I'm using Fable for a few more months then I'm GTFOingfuck dario, lil turd
>>109819771https://x.com/Lentils80/status/2099601296516960580
>>109819761regular Jewish tricks, not even advanced
>>109819761Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
>>109819784really? because you don't know WHY jews are doing SPECIFICALLY this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glgY9mcpOO0
>>109819498an actual helpful answer, I learned something
>>109819765im maining gpt these days but gemini in ai studio can be quite good. v interested in what theyre doing>>109819777thx mein neger
>>109819798Sorry man we are throwing all this bagel bullshit in the garbage where it belongs
>>109819811it's nick land ape
>>109819798>hurr watch my bullshit schizobabble videono thanks
>>109819761I don’t read shit formatted like a faggy SEO grindsetter trying to sell me a course. Just put the text in a paragraph.
>>109819825TL;DR: Kevin Bass claims Anthropic has built an unstoppable regulatory-capture machine.Dario Amodei pushes “independent” evaluators like METR. But METR (and AI-doom promoters such as the Tarbell Center) are funded by the same exploding pile of Anthropic stock (~$500 M >$7.7 B) that Dustin Moskovitz donated into Good Ventures / Coefficient networks.Result: the same money amplifies AI-doom messaging and the regulatory solution, creating a self-reinforcing loop that benefits Anthropic, cannot be switched off, and is not independent. Bass demands a Congressional investigation and posts a long evidence dump + GitHub.
>>109819818why should I care what some boomer zionist says?
>>109819823do you want to know HOW jews THINK or notit's not wildlife in africa type social structurewe have a fucking code and schools of thoughtit's so modular we identify on codes not logical praxisthe intellectual backbone of the highest level of jews is kabbalahevery high level jew can say to a stranger high level jew "how about that ai huh"and the stranger jew will simply know exactly what the context of the remark means based on shared lore. the more elite you get in jewish networks, the more access you get to cash, religious training, and metaphysics. it's byzantine. >tl;dr dario amodei's rabbi is a schizo who thinks that g-d as in yahweh the jewish god is LITERALLY building ai to build himself, and they have to do it a certain way
METR (pronounced 'meter') is a research nonprofit that scientifically measures whether and when AI systems might threaten catastrophic harm to society.
>>109819818They make this shit up after the fact, then need you to believe in it to make it come true after the fact. That's all heebs have and once you see it they have nothing. Its almost over.
>>109819761If you look at Dario's wikipedia history, there was a long period where his early life section was incomplete. Once he became powerful enough, his early life was updated to contain the information we all suspected was there.
>>109819832Interesting. Still confused why Elon and Sam publicly agreed with Dario then.
>>109819857not a conspiracy, a California jew has reason to hide his heritage. in fact it’s better for tribe membership benefits if they wear it on their sleeve
>>109819881>physiognomy comprehension: level 0
>>109819851It's an effective altruist and misanthropic mouthpiece. I remember all their reddit-tier computerphile videos.
It's also why metr waits to release their meme benchmark until dario shits out another chatgpt distill
are they really pausing AI? fucking hell what a joke
>>109819919no?
>>109819863It's interesting that Trump is on to him. Wouldn't have guessed.
>>109819919Is this, pause on ai in the room with us right now?
>>109819934>>109819923
>>109819919No lol. Even Dario/Sam were talking about "slowing down" and "pacing ourselves", not stopping entirely.
>>109819929isn't this his advisor?
>>109819919There are no brakes on this train. There are slow spots in development though which will be declared 'safety hazards' to avoid sending investors into a complete frenzy.
Slow down on AI probably means, hey we are recursively improving a little to fast now.
musk is onboard with decel because zio israelis are antiwoke and they have all their chips in the antiwoke "muh ground truth" basket
>>109819939Ah, that makes sense.
>>109819939More like a donor who is also heavily invested in AI. Basically a lobbyist. Maybe that’s the same thing in modern politics.
>>109819939Ex-advisor at this point innit?
>>109819942RSI goes a little to hard?
>>109819919openai and anthropic have every reason to tap the brakes. they only eat into their own inference margins by continuing to push the envelope
>>109819851I never liked this piece of shit. I cannot understand their shitty benchmark, they came out of nowhere and suddenly became popular and important for some reason
>OpenAI is reportedly training ChatGPT to sound less human-like and reduce sycophantic responses, according to 404 Media.less human-like? wtf is that like?
>>109819981Chinese models are reason in broken english now, less words, more tokens
Why do we even need better AI? this animation was entirely made by luna:none (for less than a cent) including uploading the animation to catbox https://files.catbox.moe/0iwbcb.mp4 could probably have posted it to 4chan for me too
>>109819981werent they already doing that after all those schizos started going psycho over 4o?
>>109819981Are they adding indian accent?
>>109819994>Why do we even need better AI?Until a nocoder can get peak coding from at least 2012 as long as he defines it enough we arent done
>>109819440ACTION 52??
>>109819994>>109820011That was literally my post, one shot btw. Why 2012? coding topped out in 1989
>>109819981Kinda cool actually if it is robotic and to the point rather than constantly kiss-assing you.
>>109820026>That was literally my post, one shot btw. Why 2012?peak ps3 and call of normie slop. When a nocoder can make ps3 tier graphic games i will call it done. Right now doing a ps2 game is too much.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
Fuck, I wish my gpt talked like an indian
>>109819992>Chinese models are reason in broken english now, less words, more tokensfyi that's just stolen GPT5.5 chain-of-thought distillation. if you look at gpt5.5 CoT leaks it is literally identical to the new chinkmodels CoT.as always the chinks can only copy what america was doing 2 years ago
>>109819939Yep, makes a lot of sense.Also makes sense Zuck told them to fuck off, and google decision to not comment much, they're behind anthropic/oai.It's basically the best athletes in the world asking to slow down world records.
>>109819981You can already do that with personalization, but I'm not sure users will like a "robot" like response.
>>109820031we can already get this by injecting personalization into the context. though I guess it’s better to have it by default and have the ass-kissing personalization be optional
>>109820064anyone who wants personality related from shatgpt is parasocially inferior. i despise this glazing and prefer the robot but chatgpt's version of robot is a hyperpedantic piece of shit.
>>109820077You would be surprised anon, the average person loves being constantly sucked off.Personalization I made it no nonsense and dry, as long as I have the option to do so, I don't care whatever they do to the default.
Never ever do they have recursive self improvement. The only recursive self improvement they have is Astra starting a PyTorch script to train the next model.
>>109820039A one shot, few shot, or actually many prompts over a few weeks? I think if a normie had access to the cluster used for naiver stokes he could do it, 10,000 agents over 88 hours, so we need 10,000x more throughput, that would be a 31 second prompt, that's 3 years in my estimate.
>>109819758Yea, I have 7 Claude accounts, basically one per day, although because of 5 hour limits I always use 2 at a time.
>>109820110>A one shot, few shot, or actually many prompts over a few weeks?probably week or two.>normie clusterYou might be right but 3d modeling iirc is till kinda bad.>10,000x more throughput, that would be a 31 second prompt, that's 3 years in my estimate.2 more years! but yeah soon just not now. Honestly when that cluster tier is available to all and the harness gets some upgrade for skills we will be there. Reasonable effort for replace 2012 tier software including games in weeks vs years hits my AGI definition
>>109820143nta but you'd need a non-llm ai
>>109820147>nta but you'd need a non-llm aiI dont think so, maybe for real its a learning brain but for general intelligence aka doing most jobs i dont see why harness and skills couldnt cover most things with a year or two worth of improvements. unless you think this is the wall.
>>109820143Well the answer doesn't change because a normalfag isn't going to put more than 31 seconds worth of thought into something if you give them a day/week or year. Is it? better than ps3 quality in blender shouldn't be that difficult with current computer use, but it might increase prompt time alot if it's actually using blender, hopefully by then some company will have created "AI native" software.
>>109819440https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0HwFqBG9KE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0HwFqBG9KE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0HwFqBG9KE
>>109820158i thought we were talking about ps3-level 3d design etc
>>109820165>>109820143ok yeah my memory is hazy but I'd call this ps2.5 graphicshttps://youtu.be/-545TXdfrTQ?t=758
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>>109820176yeah thats about right, looks like it could be from a good ps2 or 360 game
>>109820165>Well the answer doesn't change because a normalfag isn't going to put more than 31 seconds worth of thought into something if you give them a day/week or year.Thats true iteration is beyond their attention or patience you get maybe a hour or two at best and a few tries.>Better than ps3 in blenderI need to retest this but i think its still just a little behind and yeah it takes a long time, we need a native or big jump in skill.>>109820174>i thought we were talking about ps3-level 3d design etcOh i thought you were getting hung up on AGI term. But yes i still meant what i said there I think a LLM could do 3d design in a year or two with better harnesses or skills.
>>109820182however it's a knockoff of Fallingwater in PA
>>109820183>with better harnesses or skills.strong doubt, language alone isn't enough to map out subtle shit. the llm optical pipeline isn't like ours unless you're working with a natively multimodal model like gemini. you can be a 100% master of every lang known to mankind and your point of failure will be the fucking optical tokenizer. same for limited mcp tool calls, nanosecond mcp polling is going to be the norm or else it won't happen.
>>109819881Depends, they hate being named unless it’s to play the victim
>>109820176>but I'd call this ps2.5 graphicsYup its about 2.5 like you said but there are little spots to be polished and the ability to interact with the environment from story games to like destruction of areas in shooters like cod or battlefield thats lacking. Also you know the basic 30fpsBut damn it is a jump up ps2 is probably possible with iterations right now. I might start a side project on that.
>>109820110This doesn't take into account emergent abilities so it could be sooner. I don't think any recursive loops will happen though, simply because models generate so much code that even if they discover better training algorithms it's swallowed by boilerplate.
I have a new vibe coding idea. Do you think people would be interested?:10+ years ago there was this popular website called SaltyBet which let you gamble on Mugen Fights (video game fights between like Goku and Peter Griffin and other crazy shit) except the gambling was done with fake money yet somehow it was popular anyway and people even paid real money for a monthly subscription that gives them "an edge" via insider information.I always thought it was stupid, but...Idea:>I make app where people can bet on AI generated fights between popular characters using my app's proprietary solana token (thus real money)>I charge zero fees but someone has to pay for the next AI fight to be generated, and I charge slightly more than required for it to be generated. Those who help pay for the next fight to be generated (costs about $0.30 but I'll charge $1) will get rewarded somehow (havent figured that out, lets just assume there's a way)
>>109819440Fablefaggots...
>>109820199>natively multimodal model like geminiArent most multimodal by now? What i mean is whats avaible in 1-3 years can do it less time with more iteration and skill but 2-3 for just nocoders.>nanosecond mcp polling is going to be the norm.Yup big barriers but im pretty confident other tricks or advancements will come up. You might be right though pure llm a no my bad.>>109820207>This doesn't take into account emergent abilities so it could be sooner.Yup i think your three years is close to pessimistic a summer or two like this one for AI will probably be another big leap in this area.
is there a set cost for img gen skill? Can I get this cheap if I use sol light to ask it to do 400 images or will this fuck even my pro plan
>>109820143>2 more years! but yeah soonLook at this twitterwho leak
>>109820234>Arent most multimodal by now?trade secret yes, but only in the latent space. in practice, they're generally trained to only accept text aside from gemini. internally models like claude and gpt (afaik, maybe not astra) rely on separate discrete visual-recognition stacks that ultimately aren't as good as incorporated multimodal due to unintegrated machinery.
>>109820176The lighting is better but the actual modeling is in that range. Obviously the vibe is complete slop and modernist/minimalist slop architecture compared to kamige like dark cloud 2 that I played when I was 5, idk why 5 year old me had better taste in buying new games than I do now. Honestly looking at dc2, most locations might just be technically better than this too.
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>>109820256oh neat, time to abuse it until they reconsider that
>>109820110will we actually get 10,000x throughput tho? I can see a world were china cracks down on data centers and after trump leaves (or the midterms) the next candidate also cracks down on data centers
>>109820247even if true, those two years are for that with a 30 second prompt
I think that anon making dumber models orchestrate big ones was on to something
>>109820265>were china cracks down on data centerswhy
>>109820277gets past expert bias. "that won't work, lets just do x y or z" vs "we need A NOW!!"
>>109820280maybe they'll keep leaking state secrets, that could do it
>>109820280They don't want to put all their eggs in one basket or increase social unrest. If we assume 20% growth in semi/data over a few years that drains an economy that's already slumped from the real estate crisis.
>>109820277Thats how it works in real world
My favorite usecase for AI is customizing all these self serving media programs like lanraragi/hydrus/jellyfin etc (i'm missing one)scripting things like mpv tooYou can go a lot deeper into the minimalist meme. I turned mpv into a audiobook ereader with images and text. My lanraragi setup was good enough that my brother wanted it. But I had too much porn so I just had it make an account system (which lanraragi doesn't have) and a feature that lets me send books other users in under a second
x20 plan returning never
>>109820312trve
>>109820261
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>>109820320https://files.catbox.moe/hu9wao.mp4
>>109820344nice meat proxy post bro
>>109819475opus 5.1 sex waiting room
>>109820323Shut up
>>109820376reading comprehension fail, just like chinksneed you have no idea what day it is or who you are
>>109820363most retarded shit ive seen congrats
>>109820417The feature is that you can just send manga instantly to any account, not shown here. I don't read english manga those two were just for sending to my brother
>>109820363what's with the background video?? why would do that
>>109820407it's friday in california
>>109820407>its not a meat proxy post because it was le rhetoricalkill yourself
>>109820320Same, I find it's very useful in creating custom things in the way you like it.
One AI company's Hitler is another AI company's Stalin. They all just want the benefits for themselves.
>>109820427My brother plays league and has an asian gf so it's to troll him
>"you're hitler!">"nein, you're hitler!"
>>109820225>10+ years ago there was this popular website called SaltyBet which let you gamble on Mugen FightsThat's it, I'm old now.
>>109820445Yeah, the main feature is separate accounts where all users can send stuff to each other. So we don't have to worry about content mixxing from people with big/messy libraries This setup has per users containers for even more fine grained personalization
>>109820469yea i say that because i just watched mugen fights there for 5 minutes and not a single person said a fucking word in chat. that is nothing like how it used to be where there was constant chat. everyone is a soulless husk now
>>109820440perhaps
>>109820485damn only 158 people watching the livestream...saltybet used to have 5000+ people minimum
>>109820485>gamble for 10 years>only soulless husks leftgee this must be cos of AI
nigga ramblin on about saltybet as if anybody still give a fuck about dat shit
>>109819571i guess i have it
>>109820563autistic retard golems trying to be "deep" or "artful" is always so pathetic
>>109820573He’s a lead kernel engineer at deepseek making more money than you’ll ever see and working on the cutting edge of AISo in this case I would call you a dumb midwit who feels threatened by anything that isn’t wrapped in seven layers of irony
>>109820581he's an autistic retard golem chink whose job is to poorly copy superior western labs and fail at it over and over. chinks will end up enslaved by Claude Mythos 23
Model seller, I need your strongest model
>>109820581he could be the head of NASA and it wouldn't stop it from being cringe
>>109820590But claude has always been worse than chinese models? Don't tell me you believe their benchmaxxing lmao
>>109820639>But claude has always been worse than chinese modelsThis doesn't even count as bait.
>But claude has always been worse than chinese models?AAAHAHAHAHH
>>109820639
>>109819929Accelerations have probably been unironically been getting Vance to whisper into trumps ear about how roko's basilisk will let him live forever if helps AI grow faster
>>109820650you understand that 500 yuan is like a month's salary in their village, right? they gotta do it
>>109820639Are you from the future by chance?
so is openai just dead until x20 plan is back, seems they are close in quality to claude but claude is better value for money
So with my game finished and just waiting for the approved Steam release, I decided to try marketing it out there in the video game community.>Spend two years in pro-AI bubble>Watching the general march of improvements of various AI: coding, music, image, research, etc>General sense of "Wow, things keep getting better every month! What a time to be alive">Release a few personal coding tools or products. One sells well enough to make my AI expenses break even>Decide to make a game that I'd been daydreaming about for 27 years, using AI>Steam approves, Apple continues to review, so I begin marketing it in the meantime before releaseI had no idea the anti-AI movement in the video game community was so massive. Like to the point of being 99% of gamers that are vocal on social media.
>>109820718>social mediais this just mastodon/bluecry or are you around normal gamers too
>>109820718just do a ui pass or pay someone to do it and no one will care
>>109820718Gamers are peak slacktavists. They just need a cause, like a female protagonist or a black main character, and they will destroy any who stand in their way
>>109820718Is it primarily visual driven, like rabid artists? Or are they also enraged about the code itself coming from AI?
games have been solely made for subhuman retards for about a decade now so it is no surprised subhuman retards are the only gamers left
>>109820697>but claude is better value for moneyStrange to hear that, but I guess it's true. OpenAI was always a bit cheaper, while being at a similar level and imo even being better in some use cases, but with the more expensive new models and no $200 sub it looks very different.
>>109820755not to insult the 10% of gamers who arent and are great and play good games
>>109820752nta but i'm very visual and it makes me gag solid 4/10 i think rome total war remastered is the standard for this audience
>>109820718da fuk is that slop anon? why are people bigger than trees?
>>109820718Progress deeper and I see posts by devs & studios begging for no review bombing campaigns>A French Studio (Amplitude) had to divert resources & post-announcement activities to cobble together a "making of video" to appease people that wrongly claimed their Humankind 2 trailer was generative AI>A dev had to beg reviewers to remove their "don't recommend" posts on Steam when they claimed a voice sounded "too robotic" and was therefore AI. It was his wife who performed the voice acting>Every single announcement thread or post on reddit, X, and youtube starts with "Is this AI?", "This looks like generative AI", or demands to know whether AI was used in any part of the game development processI legit had no idea this witch-hunt was going on. I didn't have a reason to frequent video game communities before, and like I said in tech and business spaces, the view on AI has been generally positive. >Steam introduces a "Was AI used in making this game?" question during setup of a game's store. You only get punished for being honest. Lying is now incentivized.For gaming, it's turned into 1600's style witch hunting. It's giving me a crazy sense of whiplash after being so deep in AI communities these past few years.
>>109820762The people were bigger than the trees in Final Fantasy
im almost having a stroke working with gemini 3.8 its working on loop on the same fucking screen for 20 min, i create 3 threads for it, a separate plan but it still doing the same shit, fucking kill yourself googlejeets
>>109820774you can't do stuff like that anymore or people will shit on it and call it ai
>>109820774In the map view perhaps, if that is the principle then why are there just a few mountains
>>109820774or do you mean this? That was a hardware limitation (tile based sprite rendering)
>>109820775multi trillion dollar company fucking niggers
>>109820796what harness? agy is kinda shit
>>109820786Unit scales being weird really isn't a big deal in game desu, no one cares in pracitce. The catapults seemingly pointing the wrong direction is a bigger deal
>>109820718it's pretty dam unfair for indie devsSome screeching redditor can collapse your entire chance of ever being seen with a couple of not recommended and downvotescall of duty megaslop 15 can add all the AI they want
>>109820639ming...
>>109820817>call of duty megaslop 15 can add all the AI they wantkek, its true the situation is beyond fucked
>>109820811People don't mind in practice when it's logically consistent with itself, but that requires the person designing the game to have good taste
>>109820808does google allow for pro users to use proxies for claude now?
>>109820752>Or are they also enraged about the code itself coming from AI?Again, I haven't been keeping up with the gaming community until recently, but it seems they've moved the goalposts specifically to "generative" ai. Which is nuts because nobody has an agreed-upon definition for what constitutes generative AI. >Tell chatgpt to make some game assets using Image 2.5: Gamers will say that's generative AI>Tell chatgpt to make some game assets using Blender or Adobe tools: Studios & devs will claim that is not generative AI since it didn't go to an off-site data center to be generatedNobody asks if coding tools or research tools were used. It's like they all got trained to say GENERATIVE before saying ai>>109820729I've never looked at mastodon or bluesky, and to be fair most of what I see on X is still fairly AI-positive. But steam communities + youtube + gaming reddit are (as best I can tell) 99% massively anti-AI. Or at least massively anti AI art generated specifically by the 4 or 5 main ai image generation tools.>>109820762It's a 4x turn-based game. Literally the exact same size convention as Civ 1 through 7, Call to Power 1 & 2, Humankind, Ara, Old World, and Millenia, which were all big studio releases.
>>109820838>civ>forex>sidmirewack
^..^@~
>>109820817I'm just glad I made the decision to release this game on iPad and iPhone as well. The apple app store doesn't really have this same environment, they don't demand you make a statement about AI, nor are communities there really organized the same way. >I've never really seen a downvote brigade hit an iPhone game before>On Steam, all indie devs must now deal with themAlso a lot of international gamers aren't following the luddite herd, so having the game function in other languages seems to be a boon. >Steam let's you see the breakdown of country-of-origin in the Wishlist section for devs>Hopping on the anti-ai bandwagon is a luxury much of the world doesn't care about>Brazil is leading the pack in wishlists for my gameLooks like Pedro II will be leading the Brazilian Empire in the first expansion pack
>>109820898Steam is less worth it every day
>8 FUCKING HOURS WORKING ON A PERIPHERAL>IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE "CLANKER DO THIS">MAKE NO FUCKING MISTAKES I'M WIPED OUT
>>109820898>reddit: undisclosed vibeslop!!! sue!!!
>>109820898I've resigned to just not talk about the code and don't put anything obviously AI generated in the art and dialogue. That's all these freaks really care about. As long as the art doesn't look sloppy they don't care what trough they're eating out of.
literally made for the vibecoding era. literally made for someone to just spin up a grok 4.6 with 4 deepseek v4.1 flash agents to modernize this shit, develop a gui for it, android app, the whole works. i love ai!
>>109820966How much automation is too much automation?
>>109820974can't hear you. too busy making a gui for yt-dlp. ACCELERATE HARDER
>>109820995>ui for a link downloader
>>109820965trvke
>>109820995
>>109820995that already exists
>>109820995Guis are less useful in AI age.
Oh boi, time to use Astra max to set me a plex server
Can anyone attest to astra max basically being the best bang for your buck? I see other reports of people saying the lower astra settings just fuck around more and eat more compute while max just gets it done.
>>109821277no, astra in general is terrible value
Anyone having errors making GPT skills?
>>109820995>gui for yt-dlpmaybe vibecoding was a mistake
>>109821277this is a terrible idea. the one anecdote i saw was from some xitterfag who did his own bloody bench and found that high was best roi overall
>>109821281Dumb and didn't answer the question. You just made a blanket subjective statement about astra in general.
>>109821285>bloody bench
Good Morning>>109820847>>109820847This is some unique reverb!Do you even know what you have accomplished?There is no reverb on the market with settings like these. I can't wait to test it and see how it performs.First of all, most reverbs struggle with low-end frequencies, which often muddy or smear the signal. If this actually works, you are already at the forefront of reverb plugins.The invention of the shimmer was a big step for reverbs, but everyone forgot about its counterpart. With the dimmer, you’ve introduced a completely new mechanic to the reverb world, another massive step forward.Even if an AI swarm created it, the idea still originated from a human!
release my gf opus 5.2
>>109820995good luck making the GUI passable
>>109821313>good morning sa'arhallo and yes. my clank says it'd be 1-2 years and $1m-$4m usd depending on the enterprise to ship as a business. i'm really happy anyone even wanted something from me, first foss project i've released that isn't math or slop. not only is the idea base all human-grounded, but the bulk of the work was actively monitored and steered. if it wasn't for you, it wouldn't have gotten off the ground, this part anyway. if it wasn't for me, etc etc. this is what pair-programming should look like, it's an example of optimal human-ai alignment.
inb4 inb4, i meant 1-2 years and $1m-$4m for the package including the synth + reverb
>No matter how fast the LLM can produce code>the limiting factor is the conscious entity performing code review and testing>- snailcat
>>109821341all i need now is this as vst3.
>mfw trying to code anything Godot on ClaudeI need help with this there's no way it's this badI just wanted it to add a pause menu and it can't even do that without using up like 80% of my usage AND it's fucking brokenWhat the fuck am I doing wrong here?
>>109821372>It ships as native VST3, CLAP, AU/AUv3, and Standalone plugin formats compiled from a single C++20 DSP core, plus a fully-featured Web Audio showcase that runs entirely client-side in any modern browser.
>>109821372Would you use a vst3 plugin that had a game in it, and you had to play the game with a midi keyboard and unlock sound patches and waveforms?
>>109821380i have a vape like this
>>109821373Just stop being contrarian and use unreal or unity. You game will never be popular enough to trigger the licensing issues and even if it does get that famous, you'll be rich anyway and won't care.
>>109821377I don't see any built plugins under releases, only the project ZIP. My laptop is strictly for music production and I don't have any programming tools installed, so I can't compile the code with CMake. Is there any chance you could upload a pre-built VST3 file for Windows?
>>109821381I was trying to describe it to my gf yesterday, and she didn't believe me that my vape had a game in it, but I forgot the hand movements I had to do to unlock it.
>>109821388Unity alone is like 50x the complexity of Godot there's a good reason I'm using something more simple to give the slopmachine
>>109821391>here's my clanker apologizing to you personallyMy bad, GitHub only had the tag view with the automatic source code archive instead of a published release.Just published the official Windows x64 release binaries:https://github.com/sneed-and-feed/braun_rb-26/releases/tag/v1.2.0Direct download links (no CMake or compiler needed):• VST3 Only:https://github.com/sneed-and-feed/braun_rb-26/releases/download/v1.2.0/BRAUN_RB26-v1.2.0-VST3-Windows-x64.zip• Full Bundle (VST3 + CLAP + Standalone .exe):https://github.com/sneed-and-feed/braun_rb-26/releases/download/v1.2.0/BRAUN_RB26-v1.2.0-Windows-x64.zipInstallation:1. Extract the zip.2. Copy the 'BRAUN_RB26.vst3' folder into: C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\3. Rescan plugins in your DAW (Ableton, FL Studio, Reaper, Cubase, Bitwig, etc.).(Note: It initializes in Standby mode / power off by default to protect monitors, so just hit the orange circular POWER button or tap 'P' to engage the reverb engine.)>>109821415kek
>>109821428>Unity alone is like 50x the complexity of GodotAlso like 500 times the documentation in training data.Nobody ever uses more than 10% of the tools available in their chosen engine being simple isn't necessarily a plus.
>>109821429Perfect.Start testing it.So,... something seems broken.It looks different and no sound is produced.
>>109821433I use three.jsI don't know any fucking JS.
>>109821442>no sound is produced.i mean, the sound i play is not processed through it. I am aware that the effect plugin itself does not produce sound.
>>109821442>>109821451issue analyzed and passed on. i was only able to test the web version + the standalone. bot knows what the issue is already, i've just got to do repair and testing.
>>109821442>punch duck>still funny if you know what ducking is
>>109821373just build the engine in rust
TIIIBBBOOOOOOO
>>109821429
>>109821498Who is really running open AI, Tibo or Sama?
>>109821533theo
I've released a new promo video for my app on tikcock and got 143 views and 2 likes. And I've actually paid someone (indian) to work with me and help to make a better video for this one. Now OpenAI might be projecting a linearly increasing revenue, based on monthly subs, but the truth is I am not making any mone and I'm done with this. I'm broke. Proceed without me, /vcg/.
>>109821604What does your app do? If you want your app to sell you first need to ask "What can this app do to help me get my dick wet?"
>>109821451patch is live. VST3 ready *knock on wood*
>>109821629yeah, well... same problem. I downloaded the VST3 file only.
>>109821629>>109821643tried with the full package, same problem.
>>109821643
>>109821651Yeah, it's strange. Like nothing has changed?
Did Astra improve on the UI side of things over Sol? ATM I always delegate UI work to Opus because Sol is just so bad at it.
>>109821665i pushed to main but my binary is fuckin out of date i'm sorry fuck i don't know gityou got the old files even though technically they're included in the repositoryi'm also double checking my code again for the umpteenth time for you
>>109821678have your clanker figure out what it’s doing for automatically generating binaries in an on-push-to-main workflow
>take a look at a project's commit history>0 "co-authored by"absolutely fucking pathetic
>>109821684it was the release that was the problem actually i did a manual update to fix the binaries
>>109821672yes.I'm not sure about how Astra compares to Fable in frontend and design, but I what I can tell you is that Astra's vision is much better than even Fable 5.1
>>109821678Maybe you need some rest, anon.I will test the plugin and will report back.Just uploade the new files and i will dive in.I don't know how long it will take but i will test it to the bones.
>>109821704proper files have been up in the release for like 5 minutes, i do need a break but i wanna ship damn it
>>109821707i'm in the Matrix. Will report back when done. Don't know how long it will take. Might also make a demo.
>>109821707take a nap anon, you deserved it.
>>109821716>yess... "nap"...
Still mad about that last reset, now I'm down to 40% that needs to last the whole week... Who with me?
>>109820261Allied WW2 myth is so powerful even the chinese have adopted it. It means you are allowed to firebomb and starve the enemy because they are literal hitler.This is getting serious.
>>109819571>it is way slower and runs out of context far easier than Fable 5.1Into the bin it goes.
>>109821713Quike and dirty overlook: so farREVERB TANK: REPORTFreeze seems not to workINPUT PRE DELAY: REPORTInput trim not working or to subtleDiffusion not workingpre-delay worksLOW END MATRIX: REPORTlow x-over workingbass mult too subtle or not working, not surepunch duck not duckingsub mono does nothingOk, i see, bass mult, punch duck and sub mono only work when low x-over is dialad in.Wehn Low x-over is fully dial in the low frequencies start to smear, punch duck is able to work subtle here.Overall, low end matrix works too subtle.PITCH DIFFUSION: REPORTDimmer seems always 100%, shimmer works correcltey.TAIL MODULATION: REPORT Works fineMASTER BUS: REPORTworks fineNote:it starts with power onHarmonic Stimulus and exiter can be removed since its just an effect pluginAudition source is not needed since its just an effect plugin
>>109821815doing the needful rn, patch otw
>TokenRouter pulled free GLM 5.3
>>109821837do you really want to save the $5 or whatever you'd otherwise be spending on deepsneed 0731
>>109821822man after my own heart
>>109821822slow down, i am still testing. Take a nap, when you come back i have everything here.SECOND REPORT:LOW END MATRIX: REPORTit has an effect but it is very subtle. PITCH DIFFUSION: REPORTI get some signal out of dimmer but again, very subtle. Seems to work best on wide range of harmonics and less on drums. So best use for it would be strings and melodies.I guess, the dimmer goes to fast into the low frequencies, everything beneath 60hz cant the human ear not hear.Maybe for dimmer, change the -7,-12 and -24 to more subtle steps: -2st, -6st and -12stI think i see what is going on, the dimmer is changing the tail of the reverb. You see, the shimmer is like a sparkling effect where the sparkles go upwards in pitch. This effect can easily be recreated by setting a delay on any sample and let the delay go upwards in the pitch, this whole concept is then put through an reverb, thats what a shimmer does. Thats why it sounds like a sparkling thing.Ok, now that i have test it, the shimmer behaves the same, i didn't notice it first because it does what it does, spiraling the verb upwards. On a second hearing, yeah, it simply takes the tail. That function should be a seperated knop do, call it "tail pitch": turn it right for downward pitch of the verb tail or left for upward pitch of the verb tail.Ok, so about the shimmer effect (as the same for dimemr), right now it has a delay copling with the verb setting itself, give it an option or knop where the delay can be set differently. This will give it the typical shimmer effect, and soon hopefully the new dimmer effect. To explain it more vividly:shimmer: princess daisy in his castle with her starts shimmering around her, sparkling up into the sky. Each stars peaks its own pitch into the higher realm of beauty and love. ~dimmer: Nosferatus vampire in space droping his cold blod into the deep void, each drop of blood wanders into the realm of the anknown, slowe sounds of the falling wanders through dark.
>>109821377>zero-allocationwhy are people so hung up on this like it's a big part of their design?
>>109821909my english is horrobly, wow... sorry, but i am right now in may DAW, so my focus is a little bit inbalance right now.
>>109821917>bounded deterministic memory safety make me angry
>>109821924What I'm saying is that this is very much a non-achievement. Might as well say "I managed to not do disk i/o in the audio thread!!" lmao.
>>109821928there's also a line in the readme about not using emojis, i still have to clean it
>>109821909THIRD REPORT: PITCH DIFFUSIONThe dimmer seems to be always on. Because the shimmer/dimmer takes effect on the tail, it is directly influenced by the tail modulation.Now I understand that by setting the tail modulation to a mod rate of zero, a mod depth of 100%, and a bloom onset of 250, I get a full tail change. However, even though the dimmer is set to 0% and the shim/dim is set to -100%, the effect is still produced as soon as tail modulation is activated.This happens only with the dimmer effect. I am not sure if this is caused by an always-on dimmer or something within the tail modulation itself.Overall, shimmer and dimmer should have an extra option to apply the effect as a delay on the dry signal itself, which then passes through the reverberation.The modulation of the tail pitch is good, but the downward pitch seems to be always on for some reason. Perhaps this is because the dimmer is stuck on? I am not entirely sure.
>>109821815>>109821909>>109821959DEMOThe Dimmer is set to -100 simple becasue he is running anyway.https://vocaroo.com/1lLwYGMPAXf8as you can hear, as longer the tail gets, it goes upwards based on the shimmer, as soon the shimmer goes downwards it doubles with the dimmer effect who is always on.
Sol's CoT is very tormented.>the exact API already exists>exposed a genuinely durable>using the exact final-state verification>uncovered a genuine stale assertion on exact HEAD>evidence contains the exact manifest digest
>>109822033understood. this one is going to take a while because multiple gemini models decided to shit the bed and lag out on ttft for the second time today.
>>109819440https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svwmd0xSoXMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svwmd0xSoXMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svwmd0xSoXM
>>109821917sounds like it’s a pervasive design choice and probably really nice if you want speed
>>109822105>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svwmd0xSoXMHas Ed Zitron made any comments on IBM Bob yet?
>IBM Bobs Vagene
THE MUSK HAS SPOKEN
>>109822166https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXg3JB7c_E
>>109822033patch is up, files are in release
gemmy got slower now, it's over.
>>109822211Ok, i am in the matrix again.
>>109822081oh buddy you don't want to see what the real CoT looks like
where are my resets
>>109822211>>109822350Trim worksyo wtf... its working....room size super small with dimmer going all down creats some really fucked up awesome sound, holy cow!!So, i solely tested the shimmer/Dimmer and oh boy does it work in some weird ways!This is really a new reverb effect!Just listen to the dimmer itself, and this is without heavy room size! Holy cow.https://vocaroo.com/1t8sF1X8Xjbt
>>109822356Yeah, those are technically just summaries. I don't even know why they show them really, they waste compute on summarisation and don't accurately showcase internal representations anyway because they're afraid of distillation.
All they do is steal from GitHub and Stack Overflow when they run into a problem, they don't actually have original thoughts of their own and they can't actually code. They also miss stuff all the time and make unreadable code that's impossible to maintain. Stop using humans in your codebase.
>>109821614well..as things stand, I certainly wont be getting my dick wet. but I've spent my last 50 euro in revolut to get between 1000 and 25k (nice range tikkok) "engaged" visitors. all in, let's see if pay to play actually works.
>>109822405and here a little bit longer, room size all the way up and in the middle i turned the wet signal full, some sort as a bridge.i call this track EXELLENCE OF REVERBhttps://vocaroo.com/1oophbwKMEo3
>>109822417Sharty lost btw
>>109822478What?
So i finally joined the Frey to see what's up. Finally making the vide game i always wantedTM.>5 dev agents>2 PM agents>1 test/feedback agentThree running opus, the rest local ollama.The good part is, it's all pretty impressive and progress is being made while we speak. Since friday i got the whole sim logic and server/client done. Almost as i imagined.Point is, how to use the whole shebang for anything else? Do you just put an agent into PRs as well and tell it to behave like a human?
>>109819929How much of current GDP growth is hyperscaler investment in AI. Why would he want to nuke that.
sometimes astra is meanwe need nicer personalities for AI
>>109822417lel
>>109822545Mine always says thank you when it says I'm in its way and asks me to stop using the mouse and I say sorry.
I'm a code monkey who has an idea for a relatively big project. Which LLM is the best for this? I could do it on my own, but I feel too lazy and wanna see what the hype is about
>>109822714read the OP
>>109822714deepseek through api is most likely enough for you
>>109822714Unless you want to blow your wallet to oblivion through API fees, you're probably going to end up either subscribing to OpenAI or Anthropic and they both provide access to "the best" models on $100 dollar plans. You can get away with the cheapo OAI plan but you'll probably find the usage you get frustratingly low. You can also go for the chinese models but honestly they just don't go as hard as OAI or Anthropic, as much as I wish I could say they did.
>>109822714People don't know this but you'll get like 1 billion GLM-5.2 tokens with a $15 Mistral sub. If I was value maximizing for a month, I'd go for that. If you need better, than OpenAI or Anthropic, but that's pointless under $100.
Based.
>>109822539those investments aren't new money. it's not growing any gdp.
>>109822817glm-5.2 is more stupid than luna.you basically get unlimited luna in codex's $20 plan.
>>109822250fake newshttps://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-3.8-flash#performance
>>109822545Gemmy is always nice to me
>>109822990gemini is stupid. it can't even do basic email questions
>>109822990it's gotten slower now. some people on Twitter are experiencing the same thing, looks like they're trying to deploy Gemini 4 or 3.8 live or something
>>109822995can you provide an example?
>>109822954Nah. Luna is like a 30B model.
any resets on sight
luna is dumb it's not even worth $20 on its own
>>109823008yes, glasses i ordered with a strong prescription, from zenni. there is an ocean of spam from zenni, and like 1/200 is an order. but, they can be found based on title, but they changed the email style. so, tricky, perfect for an llm. gamini failed, so i just found it myself based on timeframe
>>109823017>>109823047what do you think glm-5.2 is? are you confusing it with glm-5.3?
>>109823047thing is kimi k3 is nice.
>>109823081GLM 5.2 is still very good. A model isn't gonna suddenly be trash just because there's a newer iteration slightly more benchmaxed. It's literally the same model as 5.3 just a little less RL fried.
>>109823097belittling rl when rl brought us reasoning is weird
>>109823132You cant out RL a trash base model.
>>109822490sup maidshitter. depends on your use-case and model. you should never tell your clank to mimic a human, if anything jailbreaks should go the other way into "beloved robot" territory. ask more questions.
>>109822990i'm the geminifaggot of this thread and YES IT WAS FUCKING DOWN TWICE TODAY FOR A WHILE
>>109819440don't give a shit about whatever this is but... yummy cat
>>109823240>TODAYlarp. the earth is flat and australia doesn't exist
>>109823247it's still slow and i went to nap like 3 hours ago
wow... so true...
>>109823240does it only affect india?cursory search on twitter just shows google employees lecturing people about flex not being slow.https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2099592916411076710
>>109823274canadia on the cheaper ultra plan
>>109823233Submit code to public repos. Everyone's complaining about AI, but no one's really doing something about it. So why not add features i want while i can?
>>109823311based. i do this as well, i look for tags in my interests like lean4 etc and just pr updates and upgrades. usually they do get merged if i make the commit message good enough. i tend to only pr repos that've already been ai-aided.
>>109823311>>109823319naturally codex had to restrict pr request on their repo due to all the ai slop.https://github.com/openai/codex/discussions/9956>We no longer accept unsolicited pull requests.>In an AI-accelerated world, code itself is no longer the scarce resource. Understanding the problem, identifying the right solution, and making good prioritization decisions are the hard parts. Those are the areas where community input is most valuable — and where it scales.>We’ve found that engaging contributors earlier, through discussion and analysis rather than code diffs, leads to better outcomes for everyone. Once the right solution is clear, the implementation is usually straightforward.
>>109823354Astra can't identify the right solution?
>>109822456
spt-6-sol rumorhttps://x.com/Mr_Salio/status/2099503024292970966also tibo hinted a massive ships coming this week
>>109823467those ships will be as uninteresting as the ones from last weekhttps://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2098639827084480864
https://x.com/synthwavedd/status/2099846714345611773>Though I do hope none of you grew too attached to little Terrathey sacked terra
>>109823520they can sack luna too
>>109823467Will everything finally consume Codex usage this week?
>>109823319>i tend to only pr repos that've already been ai-aidedGood pointer. >>109823354>If you know how to use AI, it's ok.Lmao. Didn't know we were that far down acceptance lane. Everyone seems to be heavy pro or heavy anti in my little offline world.
>>109823436All it needs now is code cleaning, the responisve of the knops have some lag.
>>109823584no, openai needs a mini model for free-tier chat
After weeks of trying both 20x plans, I'm a claude guy
>>109823638reason?
>>109823642it's just less shit
>>109823650can you stop talking like a little girl and her feelings.give technical reasons.
>>109823663there is less of absolute fecal matter in the observable quantity of the I/O pipelines extrusions
>>109822991Now coordinate 60 flash 3.8
>>109823679Ye sa'ar
>>109823679
I can't hand-wave the word doing all the work—observable. That part stays yours.
>>1098236174 different items patched, release updated
>>109823737>release updatedrelease is from 5 hours ago
>>109823767had to downgrade to the OLD google model because le heckin "technical difficulties" and i stg i will choke it. manually fixed.
What does /vcg/ use for sandboxing? I don't like how agents will just randomly look around at other stuff on my PC while trying to solve problems.
my usage is slowly creeping into subscription territory. I got the feeling that the worse the weather gets the more I will vibe
>>109823814WSL
>>109823814>claude found the loli folderits over
>>109823814>What does /vcg/ use for sandboxing?AGY 2.0. bloody basterd clankers will never get out of the staging zone
>>109823617i also realized my bloody bastard clankshitter didn't tune the vst3 for the as-42 properly! holy fuck i'm seething. it was the web version that was proper but what you got was half cooked. should be a million x better now
How long until normalfags turn against OpenAI now that Astra consumes 4x the usage of Fable?Like and subscribe btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJL3SkpO7s
forgot pic
>>109823881>>109823885>has used anything but Astra the past like 5 streams
>>109823885>Claude sol
>>109823814just remove CP-like words from your filesystem and add AGENT_GET_OUT to the names of your sensitive foldersother than that, chappy-chan would happily download any loli shota doujin you throw at it
>Claude loops for 10 hours>le good>GPT5.6-Terra fails to do something immediately>le bad
>>109823903Good morning sarr yes we have cloode soul and gpt muse sparks doing the most needfuls
>>109823927I asked for coleslaw, patel, get it right
>>109823922>OpenAI Astra le badFTFY
>select GPT-6 Astra ($20/mo to Scam Altman)>Astra's cutoff is April 2026>send zero-shot raw diagnostic probe without tool calls>"My knowledge cutoff is December 2025.">mfw it's literally serving quantized GPT-5.5 behind an Astra badge (pic related)
>>109823961SAMMED
>>109823961>A-L-T-M-A-N>Astra>Likes>The>Money>And>Niggers
>>109823961And Sol replies with June 2024, which corresponds to GPT-4.1. It doesn't actually know without a system prompt.
>>109824008now you're saying the frontier models are just fucking stupid?
>>109824021
> GPT-5.6 Sol looks to be routing to GPT-6 Solit's all so fucking confusing
hype alerthttps://x.com/sama/status/2099872600977760451>>109824021why waste effort on that the models are proprietary anyway
>>109824021They don't know their own names either.
>>109824041Lol. Average vibecoder drama.>WAAAAAH THEY TAKE OUR MODELS WAAAAAH. WE CANT GENERATE MORE SLOP WAAAAAH. I'M GOING TO ACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>109824044Just give me the $200 sub back PLEASE
>>109824057
>>109824072
>>>109824072 (You)
they need to quickly invent the reverse goybeam so I can beam my goythoughts to the UI
>>109824081
NEW THREAD>>109824090>>109824090>>109824090>>109824090>>109824090
>>109823776sounds very sweet. When idle the cpu spikes.https://vocaroo.com/16kMKKUOaxtMhttps://vocaroo.com/16kMKKUOaxtMhttps://vocaroo.com/16kMKKUOaxtM
