My New WoW Private Server Box Editionprevious >>109792433READ THE (temp)WIKI! & help by contributing:https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Home_server/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.>What software should I run?Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.>Why should I have a home server?De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.>Links & resourcesCool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhostedhttps://reddit.com/r/datahoarderhttps://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/indexhttps://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/FeaturesARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQLow-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCISFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf>i226-V NICs are bad for servers>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT modeWiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn (embed)Cockpit is nice for remote administrationRemember:RAID protects you from DOWNTIMEBACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS
>>109835464cute box
>>109835476Thanks. I'm trying to centralize most of my services to a single N100 box and moving the wow servers to their own box. I wanted to dedicate more hardware to cmangos with the bots module.
>>109835522Wow, are you me? I'm doing the same thing. I bought a couple M715qs recently and so far I've moved all my game servers into one of them. I'm undecided what to do with the rest. I'm thinking I can use one as a seedbox but I only have 1TB of space. I plan on making one of them a Windows machine for random stuff, stuff I don't want to do on my main PC. Like downloading shady links and so on. Maybe another one as a Linux machine just so I can dip my toes in Linux.They're not that powerful so I can't use it as my daily driver since I have like 3k+ tabs open on firefox.
I'm thinking about virtualizing my router.Don't try and stop me.
>>109836839that is forbidden
>>109836848I know.
>>109835464Is it worth trying to put something like OpenWRT on a switch? I don't trust the firmware on cheap devices.
is there any easy way to move a dozen or so docker stacks + their volumes to a new machine? all my stacks are set up in dockhand if that helpspretty much all the persistent storage is in named volumes
>>109835464>router dies>replace with gl.net router>everything works except smb>router also has smb feature so all troubleshooting refers to that>change client access control to allow all>no diffhelp
>>109838467>helpexplain your problem first
>>109835464I gave up tinkering with OpenWRT and buggy, toy-tier Asus hardware, and got a UniFi UD7 setup with a couple of PoE access points. It works so much better, holy shit, why did I waste my time with gamer toys?
>>109838619*wrt is like a religion
>>109838506nvm fixed it
>>109838854Locking thread.
I was about to set up my NAS backups with restic, but after some testing I don't think I really understand how it works, and don't really trust it. I think I'll just stick with rsync mirror.
What NAS netup would /g/ recommend for someone who is starting from nothing?
>>109840244just get a fractal xl I think it's called, grab some HDDS, and use either truenas, debian, or ubuntu to make a server.
I didn't know basedrock released a new version of their N100M mobo with N250 on board. neato. not enough of an upgrade over N100 for me to switch, but still cool.
>>109840244Something off the shelf like a Synology box: you take it out of the box, plug in a few hard drives, plug it into the Internet Box Thing that you got from your ISP, and then follow the guided setup process on your computer or laptop. It'll all Just Work, it's almost impossible to break without serious effort, and you'll be able to add /volume1/mystuff to your network places in Windows so you can put your stuff there.>>109840371 is of course also an option, if the above is all goo goo gaa gaa baby-talk and you can speak Linux. For a normie just starting out, though, I'd use the former option until you figure out and settle into your own use case.
>>109840424For a normie, avoid Synology. Waste of money when and you'll regret it later when you finally understand NAS setups.
>>109840450>Waste of money when and you'll regret it later when you finally understand NAS setups.Weird: I've been using my DS918+ since early 2019, which is why I'm comfortable recommending it to normies. 'when you finally understand [...]' leads to people slapping laptops out of Grandma's hands because it's not running the fotm distro that hackernews was just raving about.
>>109840244Anything buy Synology. If you want your data to be held at ransom at any time at the whims of some 3rd party company, then go ahead. Synology burned a lot of bridges even though they backtracked most of their ridiculous changes.Hell, even Qnap seems to be a lot better than them.Or, if you don't need a NAS and just want to store files then just get one of those external USB HDD hubs from Teramaster or something.
>>109836839a friend runs like this for roughly a decade
>>109840420>1 RAM slot>mATXwat
so on my router I've port fowarded 80 and 443 to my home server and am running a traefik docker container bound directly to 80:80 and 443:443, is this the usual small scale setup or would you still put something in front of traefik like some sort of firewall or load balancer? it's only one machine so not really anything to balance between...I've setup https on all the routes, and basicauth on routes I don't want directly accessible, just curious if directly exposing traefik is the norm
>>109841462>1 RAM slotno one can afford more anyway>mATXit's cute
>>109841462It's a matx sized SBC so you can put it in standard cases easier.Put a ASM1166 in the M2 slot, a PCIE 3.0x2 10GbE card in the primary slot or a 2.5GbE in the secondary slot and it makes for a pretty decent NAS, as low power as you can possibly get using an ATX power connector. With a pico psu you can get down to single digit watts, with an atx/sfx you are still looking at sub-20W.
>>109841477>traefikFucks sake man I fucking hate all these retarded fucking reddit homelab software names, everytime I see this one it plays Stephen Hawking / bisqwit voice in my head
>>109835464slap a fan on that thang
>>109841522>It's a matx sized SBC so you can put it in standard cases easierEasier than ITX??What does anything you're yapping about have to do with what I said?
>>109841541idk man it seemed like a fairly popular reverse proxy
>>109841575Why not just use apache?
>>109840424I had a PC running windows that I just threw together and had an HDD with my shows and stuff on it but that HDD seems to have died and the whole setup was kinda janky. Just looking for something small and easy so it seems like a NAS is what I want. Was thinking about this one plus two new HDDs, idk I mean this should be easy enough right?
>>109840244Im good with my ugreen
>>109841720Have the exact same one with two 24tb refurbished drives, it werks
>>109841598apache configuration seems much more verbose than I'll ever needwith traefik I add a few labels to a service in docker compose and it automatically hooks up a new https certificate and connects the route, I don't even need to touch traefik itself -- I think it reads the docker socket on the host to detect new containers being made
>>109841565SBCs use random ass sizes so they are not that easy to put into PC cases. The N250M is a matx sized SBC, so you get all the advantages of an SBC (super low idle power, x86 based, billions of drivers, easy to expand, huge hardware compatibility and so fucking on), but it's also using a standard size so easy to put in a standard PC case.>Easier than ITX??ITX comes with very limited amount of available boards, limited amount of peripherals on account of the space, and they all have a retard tax on them. So yeah, matx is far easier to build off of.
>>109841842>me: damn, things seem to have changed for the worse, huh>you: yeah, but this is about as good as it gets these daysgood chat, anomalous
>>109841842I liked that I was able to build a serviceable home server / HTPC with N100M and a bunch of old tech trash I had laying around from my previous PC builds. it's a pretty cool and capable board.
>>109841936a n250 SBC uses less than half power for the entire system than that QC5000 board does just for the CPU, and has 2-3x more memory bandwidth with just one RAM slots. plus the cpu is faster, the PCIE slots are faster, the iGPU is faster, etc.I sure do wish that every time things changing for worse meant that they are 3x better than before.
>>109841720There's nothing better than this if you only want 2 bays
>>109842026>Ackshually, you'll find that computer technology has in fact *improved* over the last 12 yearsRiveting. Got any more gems for me, Anony?
>>109841477It's pretty normal to expose it directly.I have a similar setup but with caddy because I didn't want to be docker-bound with everything on a small VPS I'm renting.You could use ufw to be more granular if you wanted, but traefik should do the same thing if set up properly is how I understand it.
>>109842075For most electronics, it's gotten smaller over the past decade.
>smart extended self test completed: read failureit's over
Am I delusional for thinking all high schools should have IT classes that show how to set up a home server? Understanding web infrastructure seems like such an essential part of modern living. We're really out of date
>>109843226retard
>>109843226anon, I'm not a boomer, but I literally learned how to shoot a gun in middle school (before columbine this was pretty common). They need to bring back home ec and shop classes. If you can arc weld, measure, and do basic math, then setting up a computer is easier then taking apart a vacuum tube TV without killing yourself.
>>109843226Nah, leave computer science to the nerds.
>>109843226watch it, anon. self-hosting is actually a subversive behavior. you can get yourself in trouble with ideas like that.
>>109841720>people not utilizing their shitbox for a NAS and instead buying sleek overpriced shitshiggy diggy doo dah
>>109843277i gotta buy new HDDs now anyway the cost of the NAS isn't even the biggest expense...
>>109841477Why are you using traefik just port forward lmfao
>>109843285don't buy a NAS, never buy a NAS, for same price of a NAS buy a motherboard designed for 2 Xeon CPUs and bunch of old RAM buy a pcie to 20 SATA connector from chingchong site and buy 20 used HDDs with bad sectors and put them in RAID 10 because you're cool like that
>>109843310Nvm im retarded confused traefik with tailscale but yeah u should be good.
>>109838619Asus is so shit. I remember using one of their routers as my main before I switched to opnsense. The fucking thing could barely last a week in uptime before going down. Now I just use it as an AP, and even then it's still kind of shit.
>>109843354pfsense with little mini computer. Never looked back.
>>109843361Same for me but with opnsense. I also managed to get it to work with my mikrotik switch for vlans too. Had it running for about 5 months now and haven't ran into any issues since. Homebrew routers are the way to go.
>>109843322That yours? That's a cool case.
>>109843408shitbox case I got for free from someone who wanted to throw it out and then gutted it and made my own homelab on tailscale I put hermes on and 10 gemini pro accounts on tuxevil rotator alongside bunch of different services that run on their own whole point about technology is to learn how to make it work, not to buy a premade functioning black box
>>109843434>ailscale I put hermes on and 10 gemini pro accounts on tuxevil rotator alongside bunch of different services that run on their ownI don't know what the fuck any of those mean.I just have Proxmox running with my game servers, a server for ebook and pdfs and Jellyfin for movie, tv show and music streaming. I have another PC on an open air test bench in the bottom of my bookshelf that's hooked up to 10 HDDs and it's running OMV. That's all I need for now.
>>109843555wouldn't you want an LLM with tools on an agent harness to run and upkeep your server for you? it can debug and get any service up and running in mater of seconds. I told it to just make the transmission downloads during the night to not slow down my internet traffic and it created a config for that in 10 secondssaw sonarr was grabbing .exe file for show reacher and told the LLM to quarantine every file format that isn't for shows and ebooks so it didsuggested better reconfigurations, warned me of what things are getting worse and what it needs, suggested UPS for itself... life is good, I feel like I am upkeeping a zen garden
>>109843686I learned while playing video games that automating certain things sucks the fun out of learning and doing it yourself.It's why I barely have any automation. I don't use *arr because I want to meticulously pick what I want and not let some dumb program do it for me.Even my backups are manual and I have to rysnc it manually.
I’m looking for a motherboard to most optimally pack a shitload of dual slot GPUs into a box with at least one M.2 NVMe SSD (but ideally multiple so that they can be striped)Pic related is the previously best maximized approach, involving a Dell T7910However, the Dell T7910 previous approach does not fit/support any M.2 NVMe SSDs, and involved just a Crucial MX500 — this reaches 500MB/s, although an M.2 NVMe should be able to hit 15,000 MB/s, and this is definitely the current bottleneck.One alternative that I’m considering is an MSI MEG X570, but I don’t really know what I’m doing.I’m also beginning to consider ancient refurbished server rack solutions.
>>109843817>an M.2 NVMe should be able to hit 15,000 MB/syeah, no.
>>109843896Ok, I’m honestly not that well informed, but it should be hitting a lot higher than 500MB/s, right?Like at least 10,000MB/s?
>>109843915Probably average 420-450MB/s after a few minutes. The first hundred or so GB will go quick, but you have to consider the entire link, buffers, etc.
>>109843929500MB/s is the limit for SATA SSDs that aren’t M.2 NVMe SSDs.You’re essentially saying it’s pointless to get an M.2 NVMe SSD, which is absurd
>>109844001Sure, you can transfer from one to the other and get higher speeds if they're right next to each other on the same board. 99% of usecases are not this. You can stack them, put them in raid0 use pcie lanes etc, you still have to get the data off the board, and have it written.
>>109843915>>109844001Those are the theoretical write speeds.99% of the time your netword adapter, switch and cable will be your main bottleneck.Are you using a 10Gbe NIC? A 10Gbe switch? A 10Gbe cable? A 10Gbe router? If you're missing even one you are not going to max out an NVMe.And what are you even using an NVMe for? Just for the OS? Then a SATA SSD works just fine. If you're doing a bunch of reading and writing on the same machine then sure, it might be worth an upgrade, but not always since one upgrade can force you to make other upgrades to keep things working.Stick with a SATA SSD until you're actually reaching the limit of what it can do.
>>109844020>you still have to get the data off the board, and have it written>>109844077>theoretical write speeds>99% of the time your netword adapter, switch and cable will be your main bottleneckYou didn’t even read my post, you retarded troon.This is about running a 1TB LLM off of an SSD — we’re just doing reads from SSD funneled as directly into the GPU’s VRAM as possible.There is no ethernet cable or NIC involved whatsoever, you abhorrent autistic troon
>>109844117lolk
>>109840420>2 lanes pcie 3.0lmaoalso once upon a time the n100 versions were like $70 new and totally worth it. not worth it now.
>>109844174You're not using these boards for gaming. PCIe is fine.
>>109844183yea it's totally great for raid0 with sata2 hard drivesand the totally great realtek 8111 nictotally worth $159
>>109844261retard
>>109844334go away, Rajeesh. nobody is buying those overpriced chink trinkets.
>>109844467It's okay bro. I know you're poor. Maybe you should take some overtime flipping burgers.
>>109843226what's next, go to high school to have them teach you how to homeschool?KEK
>>109843226The problem with elective classes is students won't always choose a beneficial course. My school had a "Business Math" class that I was thrown into because I didn't want to be a TA. There was only 5 other students in the class and our year was gonna be the last year of it running.In the second semester, we learned Budgeting, Book Balancing, ran through how to file taxes and a bunch of other useful stuff. So many times now, I see people online claiming school didn't prepare them for the real world
>>109844708>you cant afford this dodgy unavailable motherboard for some vague theoretical use case yes Vikram we are all poor, extra izzat to you saar.
>>109844174>once upon a timeyeah, I miss 2019 too. welcome to the real world in 2026.
Giving this 4th gen i7 MSI laptop new life as home server. Id keep using the i5 9th gen mini pc but I may have to give it back to work eventually.
>>109843226great, cant wait to see the equivalent of pic related, but for home servers
Could you help me pick an HDD for my backuping needs from the picrel? Those are the recommendations of ai:WD Black WD5000LPLXToshiba MQ01ACF050Seagate ST500DM002WD Caviar Blue WD5000AAKXSeagate ST500LM034Toshiba MQ01ABD050
>>109846942wd black or any hgst
>>109846942>for my backuping needsAll that matters is cost per GB
tfw
>>109847085>Updates?
How necessary is a separate cache drive for Jellyfin?
>>1098483830
>>109848383Are you bumping up against the practical limits that come with using spinning metal for storage? If no, then no.
Point me to a simple router I can use to block my tv from the internet and stuff like that. Not completely on topic, but still adjacent.
>>109848787>block from the internetUh...just dont connect it to the internet?
>>109848800I need it on my LAN so I have to plug it in.
>>109848383Cache drives are never necessary. They're just nice.
>>109848802there's your answer. put it on a vlan with a rule to not go outbound to WAN
>>109848802Can't get into the internet without a valid gateway.A simple DHCP lease should do, or some static IP.
>have some LAN-only Android devices with no internet access>their clocks tend to go out of whack eventually so I have to manually adjust them every few months which is annoyingWhat's the best way of setting up a local NTP server and how can I force my generic consoomer-grade Android devices to use that local server instead of whatever internet service they are normally configured to use?
>>109835464>in between houses for a move>home server is in storageIt was just a little mini PC, but I was having fun. Probably going to start all over when I finally retrieve it.
How much louder are SAS drives compared to SATA drives when they have the same 7200RPM?I found a nice deal on some SAS drives but I can't stand noisy drives. Right now I'm okay with the SATA 7200RPM drives, but if they're significantly louder I might not take the deal.
>>109845393no, it was like two years agohad one in a shopping cart that went from 80 (friday) to 180 on monday then a month later went out of stock also for some reason the used ones look like they been dragged through dirt while gaymen motherboards look pristine
>>109849030It's usually the fans in those rack mounted cases that make all the noise.
>>109836839I've virtualized all my routers since the days of patching kernels for vfio, so about 12 years? Never had a problem. But I have always PCI passthrough'd the NICs which I expect is why.
>>109836839I though about doing the same but it would suck to have to bring your network down because you are patching your virt host or there is some issues and you have to fix it.
>>109849861I don't have it in a rack mount. But I got my answer. They're roughly the same noise level. SAS drives are weirdly cheap in my area.
>>109841557NTA but mine uses a low power T chip and most of the time is at idle. Although cool I don't think a extra fan is necessary. Stock fan is no louder than HDDs
how worth is truenas for a home server mostly running docker containers? really don't know if I can be fucked with all the extra setup, will it just overcomplicate things?
>>109850670That's what I have setup, but I'm a bit extra retarded and have TrueNAS living inside prox. All my docker services are "custom" apps inside TrueNAS so I control what version it's using etc. It's a big pain to setup the first time, but I feel like TrueNAS is a bit slicker at managing the docker containers than say raw prox. I'm pretty locked in now, so changing would be a pain.If you aren't going to use TrueNAS for any of the NAS features then I would recommend against it. Way bigger hassle to allocate memory/storage and all that. Just use a hypervisor with LXCs.
>>109850764that's kind of what I'm thinking, having a full web-based front end for the OS seems nice, plus the built-in backup and disk check screens, but messing with all the 'datasets' and app setups seems like it would get old fast
>>109835522Redpill me on the bots module, do they use LLMs or something?>>109835594I have a similar one, it sucks not being able to fit like one or two 3.5" or 2.5" hdd's inside of it. And finding >1TB 2.5" hdds where I live is almost impossible, other than that it has been doing everything I need so far, can't run local AI models on it but that's asking a bit much anyway
>>109841199>>109849925I'm glad to hear it's an old practice, makes me feel less sketch out about following the fat man from youtubes' advice. What kind of router OS software did you/your friend use? What kind of problems did you encounter?>>109850058So I'm a total know nothing noob regarding networking, but I have a CRS305 lying around from an older iteration of my network - I just wanted 10g at the time - and I'm under the impression it can be booted into a router OS mode that has vlans/layer 3 routing support. My intent is to pass through the 2 extra unused ethernet ports on my main server node that's nearest my coax cable to a VM: one port for input from the modem, the other as output to the aforementioned switch. My "I'm a retard and know nothing" assumption, and I hope it's correct, is that if I get the actual router OS set up properly in the VM and it interfaces with the CRS305, should the virtual router need to go down I can simply get a physical router, configure it with the same setting/os I have in the VM and use it as a backup in case the virtualized version needs to go offline. >if you know so little about the technology why would you even consider this?Too much lightning near where I live. Everything I own is behind surge/UPS but the cheapshit routers that my ISP sends keep getting cooked when the electrical storms get real bad, but the node near that wall is made of really robust enterprise grade gear with all kinds of features like PL, UPS, surge protection that actually works, and procedures for graceful shutdowns/reboots depending on what the UPS is doing. So ideally, I want to figure all this out and give it a try. And I can do whatever I want with the AP at that point instead of dealing with this shit preconfigured router from the isp.
>>109850902You can make a single "Apps" dataset and everything else a subset of that. It does add a lot of setup pain, but I've been running 2+ months without a shutdown or issue. Look up a yt-fag that made a nice video I used as a template. Something like: my custom TrueNAS YML setup. I have most of my services through a home network reverse proxy that lives on proxmox. You can just use the TrueNAS ip and ports though.
>Wow, 5 sales in one day, what a great day for my eBay store>All 5 computers were sold within a 2 hour period>All 5 are going to people with slavic names using P.O. boxes>One each in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, and VirginiaThis seems normal, nothing strange about this at all, I have no concerns.
>>109851301Pennsylvaniak here. Why are you being so concerned? This is appearing to be normal sales, even good.
I have a PCIe Gen2 x4 but x8 physically.Should I still get a LSI-9300 or just get a 9200? I'm hoping to get something that doesn't produce too much heat. If I plan on adding a fan on them does it even matter and just get the 9300 one since I can use it if I upgrade my motherboard?
