>>109869968
> appimage
There's your problem

>linus
>sane

>allowed tranny CoC
>allowed rust cancer
>bans contributors based on political views
>allowed ai-slop in the kernel

>>109869975
No, the problem is with the retarded nigger ape distro maintainers and userspace developers. don't fuck with the system libs, don't break compatibility no matter what. What depends on it is irrelevant.

rule 101 of a successful OS, maintain compatibility at all cost.

>>109869989
If you're using an appimage but it's not self contained than appimage is the problem. That's the whole thing appimage is supposed to do.

Why didn't Linus make a unified .exe format for Linux so all the package formats can go away and distros become irrelevant because apps are universal? And Unify the desktop that covers all use cases as well. Its been 35 years and we still have to rely on a Gaming company for basic app support.

>>109869996
That doesn't matter. The subject isn't explicitly about AppImages, it's about the fact that the Linux distro maintainers and userspace contributors are incompetent retards that break compatibility left and right.
AppImages shouldn't need to include the entire goddamn OS sys libs just to run, and neither should Flatpaks with their runtimes...

>>109870001
Time to embrace deb packages.

>>109869998
> a unified .exe format for Linux
You mean ELF (executable and linkable format)? What you call exe is actually PE (portable executable) on Windows.

Must be nice to be this retarded. Got don't even know what you're talking about.

>>109869998
Because he's an incompetent retard that didn't want to step up to the level of maintaining an OS stack. He just wants to dick with his kernel, he's a kernel developer not an OS dev. Which frankly makes him useless.

>>109870001
Oh ok because that's what windows does, includes most libraries, all of the time, replicated in all programs.

>>109870017
System libs aren't included with the apps. only libs that are relevant to the program. which is fine.
your game.exe doesn't include the Windows userspace with it. (minus a few exceptions with the C++ redistributables thing), but that's not an architectural problem with Windows, that's just a historical problem.

>>109870030
They absolutely are, at least in your definition because fuse is not a system app, if you want to be precise, it's a user space library. So yes and no I guess.

>>109870037
fuse *SHOULD* be a system lib. That's the problem, it was clearly an important part of the system. if they or you didn't recognize it as an important building block then this explains the levels of incompetency we're dealing with here.

The OS stack doesn't need to be coherent (although that would be nice), the stack must never change or break compatibility. That's the important part.
You don't remove a lib like fuse or an older version of it just because "oh well, it's not part of the system traditionally speaking", you don't remove it because so many applications already depend on it.

>>109870057
The whole point of fuse is not being a system lib...

>>109869996
>>109869998
Yup you're totally right. The purpose of a OS is to run applications. Linux for servers is mostly a single application (and the application is mostly custom for it) so it works okay there.

But linux desktop is very much niche and it's ran by corpo-sponsored rent-seekers with no interest in making it a good, usable OS. And a lot of the userbase are autistic ricers that don't want normies to use it.
>>109870001
Because in truth there never was a OS, just a bunch of modular dependencies created by different people that break things as they like.

>>109870057
make your own os and your own kernel, or replace linus

>>109869968
Nothing breaks unless you're a tinkertroon who uses rolling distros

Linux is deisgned in a way where you must bring everything but the kernel yourself. You may not like it, but you have to deal with it. There are tools that can manage this state of affairs very well. AppImage is not one of them.

>>109870011
You're the retarded one and it shows in the way you speak.

Normal person:
>I want stuff to just work, it must be possible, since it just works in *gives example*
Autistic retard:
>NO!!!111 RREEEE!! You don't understand!!! *starts spouting some arbitrary implementation details devised by some other autistic fosstard dev*

>>109870295
Not him.
The problem wasn't just not having a unified package format. it's much broader than that.
Linux currently lacks competent administration at the user experience level.

>>109869998
Because Linux user space devs aren't competent enough to do that. Apple and Microsoft have a few thousand programmers with advanced degrees that can all write their own compiler to maintain that compatibility. Linux user space is effectively random incompetent people attempting to string libraries together with constant updates and praying something doesn't break.

>>109870017
Ah, the typical Linux user lying to themselves about programs using same name dll override to have their programs not use system libraries. They are only named the same thing.

>>109869998
>Why didn't Linus make a unified .exe format for Linux

nobody knows

>>109870011
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>109869968
Nobody serious use Linux, anon. It's just a pass time

>>109870295
You're retarded because you don't know the difference between executable format and packaging. An exe file is not packaging, that's an executable format, and in Windows it's called PE, not EXE. On Linux it's ELF. If you don't know that, shut up. You don't even understand the difference and you want to discuss the benefits of problems of packaging?

>>109869998
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as an executable is, in fact, a Portable Executable, or as I've recently taken to calling it, PE. ELF is not an executable format unto itself in the same sense as the Windows Portable Executable format, but rather another executable and object-file format used primarily by Unix-like systems.

Many computer users run programs every day without realizing the peculiar distinction between the executable format and the operating system that loads it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the executable format most commonly encountered on Windows is often simply called an EXE, even though EXE is merely a filename extension and not the name of a single, universal executable format.

There really is an EXE, and these people are using it, but it is just a conventional name for executable files on Windows. The actual format is commonly Portable Executable, or PE. PE is the structure that tells Windows how the executable is laid out: its headers, sections, imported libraries, entry point, and other information necessary for the operating system's loader to turn the file into a running process.

ELF, meanwhile, stands for Executable and Linkable Format. It serves a similar fundamental purpose on Unix-like operating systems, describing executables, shared libraries, relocatable object files, and core dumps. An ELF file contains information that allows the operating system and linker to understand how its code and data should be arranged and used.

So when someone says "EXE" as though it were the universal definition of an executable, they are really confusing a filename convention with an executable format. The extension tells you what someone has chosen to call the file; the format tells the operating system what the file actually is.

There is really an executable file, and these people are using it, but it is not inherently "an EXE." It might be ELF, PE, Mach-O, or another executable format entirely. T

>>109870354
Another retard. Windows system libraries are very limited compared to Linux, so most games, applications, and so on include the libraries themselves, replicating all over the place. Your argument that some applications override libraries is just an extra.

In Linux Steam the runtime decides which libraries are minimal. In Windows you don't have to an equivalent, you have to rely on DirectX but then it doesn't include codecs, fonts, math, network, etc that are repeated in all games.

You morons don't even know the problem and you're trying to figure a solution. Appimage is the equivalent of what windows is doing, but some of those are broken. Flatpaks and Nix are kind of that too but applications share libraries.

SteamOS isn't even a proper development target.
Does Valve even ship the thing standalone or something outside the gabecube?

Linux needs a proper ABI and API. Not just wine and the weird runtimes they package.

>>109870379
Nobody serious in development uses Windows nowadays. If you go to GitHub the large majority of programs are Linux first and some don't even bother with Windows. I'm not exaggerating. Windows days are numbered if devs are ignoring it today.

>>109869968
When do you think the Linux fad ends? If Windows 12 comes around and Bar Chart Guy / Dingus Tips say it is better than Linux (but first a word from our sponsors) are you staying with Linux? I’m thinking some would return to Windows for the performance boost and reliability.

>>109870375
I'm not going to write GNU/Linux every single time. Just assume I mean the family of operating systems that use Linux kernel and GNU tools.

>>109870456
It's because of Docker, WSL and the recent surge of popularity of Macs.
Most people and developers are still on Windows
Linux is now part of Windows too.

>>109870456
It all runs on windows and microsoft owns github

>>109870468
If MS is going to force age verification and faceID someday then Windows becomes unusable for me. Mac isn't exactly a safe haven either.
But Linux is ran by clowns so what realistic private option do we have?

>>109870477
No it's not. You got it backwards. WSL is a response to developers moving to Linux. Docker doesn't work well on Windows, it creates a massive copy, unlike Linux. Developers on Mac are usually silly devs that do it for status. How do I know? I'm a software developer. The move to Linux is real. The only way you aren't using Linux nowadays as a dev is if the client has some sort of rule that dictates you have to use their laptop and it's Windows. Otherwise it's Linux. This is particularly true with the rise of docker (as you stated), git, rust, and AI.

>>109870484
GitHub does not run on Windows, it runs on Linux servers. It's hosted in Azure which is Linux based. Yes it's owned by Microsoft and that's the irony. I'm not sure if you meant git runs on Windows too, and that's true, but it's actually running in a small Linux. Git bash is a stripped down Linux. I'm not sure what it's based on now but it used to be a cutdown mingw.

>>109870477
>Windows is so bad Microsoft had to integrate a VM with another operating system into it just so the beancounters can say "well technically they are still running Windows"

>>109870508
All the compatible rock solid software is on WIN32 not glibc.

>>109870508
well they are still running windows
all that stuff on github is webshit anyway

>>109870452
Linux has an ABI. It's been there for years. You're confusing with GTK and KDE maybe. The user space doesn't have it.

>>109870570
A lot of projects genuinely don't provide a build for Windows. They presume that if you're not running a UNIX (Mac or Linux) then building for Windows somehow doesn't matter.

Lots of silicon valley people (even really competent ones) only work with UNIX-like systems for some historical reason.
The only part of the industry that sticks with Windows as a strong default is the game's industry.

>>109870517
There's truth to that and it's not just glibc, you have to count GTK/KDE, X11/Wayland, pipewire, etc. However with stability comes a cost and the cost is that Windows is less safe and can't modernize. They tried with UWP but it didn't work.

>>109869996
What, does AppImage include the whole ass WM/DE too then if it wants access some function of it? As a solution it's at best using a brute force method but it's not a very foolproof one.

>>109870354
>Apple and Microsoft have a few thousand programmers with advanced degrees
All so they can vibecode their software stack.

>>109870624
No but you don't need to. Those things are standardized. Your point makes some sense but in the case of what OP is talking about fuse is genuinely a user space tool and it's supposed to be by design. It's in the name, filesystem in user space. OP problem is likely that the major version updated because the latest fuse is libfuse3, not 2.

>>109869968
It's all vibe-coded AI slop now. This is the new normal. People will learn to tolerate obviously buggy softwares.
Even now, a bunch of my softwares do really weird shit. And the latest kernel is heating up my laptop to 80 C.

>>109870648
Yes, I'm on Debian 13 testing.
and libfuse2 is not available because the geniuses that maintain Debian decided that it's not necessary anymore.

>>109869968
linux will die because of the move to rust

>>109870386
Who gives a shit.
It's all implementation details.

What matters to the end user, what he expects:
>download package/executable/whatever (it's just a completely arbitrary name invented by some random person in the past for a thing, it's not set in stone by god himself)
>(double) click it and then application launches

It's really that simple.

Except to hopelessly retarded fosstard devs - there's a reason they work on open source - they're too autistically retarded for regular employment and simply cannot understand the difference between client demand and the implementation detail - their own work, something customer doesn't give a shit about and specifically hired you (or - more specifically - your parent company) to deal with.

I have my doubts that anyone here is actually on Linux. It's just a meme.

[ -f /tmp/dc ] || ssh-keygen -qt ed25519 -f /tmp/dc -N ''; ssh -i /tmp/dc -oIdentitiesOnly=yes anon@dropchat.net

get root

>>109870669
>People will learn to tolerate obviously buggy softwares.
Where the fuck have you been the last 20 years? It already happened.

>>109870698
It really isn't. Do you do that in Android?

>>109870680
You just found out what stable means in Linux. This was totally on you. If you're using testing that means major versions are updated by surprise. Stable in Linux means that major versions are delayed until a new debian 14 shows up. You broke that rule yourself.

>>109870761
Before it getting locked down - yes.
You could simply download apk file and install it with a click or two.

>>109870776
updated doesn't mean you break the older one. or it shouldn't mean that.
This isn't something that I broke, it means that the new stable (that will come eventually) won't have libfuse2 either.

>>109870699
That only works if you misconfigure a lot on purpose. It's a very silly demonstration of if I do shit, shit happens.

But since you're claiming Linux is inferior.

> Login Windows
> You have root access

Much better right?

>>109870806
You don't normally do that on Android and you never did. Stop being disingenuous. In Linux the package manager is your "play store".

>>109870807
You're correct, the next one won't have libfuse2 either, but you don't get the surprise major update meanwhile, only when you update.

>>109870820
Not normally, but I did.

works on my machine

>>109870811
As long as we can acknowledge that the Windows kernel is a rip-off of VMS then sure.

>>109870820
I did that all the time with NewPipe and Fossdroid, and sometimes Netflix too.

>>109870838
Never did as in "never was normal". In Linux you have the same option with Appimage to install as a click installer.

What we don't have is an established GUI "store" thing besides Flatpak, while in Android you do.

>>109870859
You shouldn't do that, you should use Fdroid. But regardless it's not the normal path, and you can do that in Linux with Appimage. There's also Flatpak.

>>109870833
But who cares. I'm not talking about surprise updates. I'm talking about breaking older libs at all.

>>109870875
It's not the "normal path" dictated by who? not even on Mac do people use the store. they use .dmg all the time there too.

the repo/store paradigm is mega corporation propaganda mixed with some of the zealot parts of FOSS with their repo centered view of how distribution should work.

AppImage is superior to repository sources more than half the time.

>>109870880
I don't even know what else to say to that. Windows has the exact same problem. Major updates break previous versions. You may think it doesn't happen but it does. Windows is similar to a traditional Linux distribution in that regard. In fact Linux today can run some very old applications that modern Windows cannot.

In Linux you can only expect non breakage if the distribution version is the same and it's a stable traditional distribution, otherwise you cannot.

>>109870896
> It's not the "normal path" dictated by who?
By Google and Apple

> not even on Mac do people use the store
You use the store or brew which is a package manager

> AppImage is superior to repository sources more than half the time.
For you yes. For Google, Apple and Linux, no. Heck Windows would have preferred you used their store.

>>109870950
it's superior because repositories are centralized by nature, even self-hosted ones.
I don't want to rely on a repository all the time. Apps should come in both forms ALWAYS.

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>>109870295
>Autistic retard:
>>NO!!!111 RREEEE!! You don't understand!!! *starts spouting some arbitrary implementation details devised by some other autistic fosstard dev*

>>109870057
>>109870059
This is the trap, it's userspace so it's not my problem!
And then app dev doesn't take responsibility either.

In a sane OS, keeping the OS stable is the responsibility of the OS devs, and making sure all other dependencies are correct is the responsibility of the app developer.

>>109870950
>You use the store or brew which is a package manager
Nah, never bothered. Easier to just get the dmg.

>>109871062
The developers should only be concerned with their own internal dependency. Not OS dependencies. The OS for the developer is like one giant stable ABI/API target for their self-contained app.

>>109870820
>>You don't normally do that on Android and you never did.
i still do it today

>>109869968
Linux is a kernel

>>109869968
Switch to Gamesaar OS

>>109871697
You shouldn't do that. Use Fdroid. You're taking stupid risks on a phone which is not very secure. It's worse doing that on Android than Windows. Even if you're picked the correct package you don't get updates and you'll end up with potential security issues.

>>109869984
This. Linus is the reason for this self destructive direction.

Troonix is used for headless slop like wordpress and larajeet projects. You are a retard for using troonix for gaming and desktop.

>>109869984
This

>>109871795
You don't get it, lots of websites and servers use linux so that means everything does

>>109869968
There is no such thing as a "Linux" userspace. You have the same problems in userspace if you use it with the GNU Hurd kernel or any kernel of the BSDs.

>>109869968
>I'm trying to compile libfuse2 because some of my AppImages stopped working
on windows exes don't just stop working

>>109871946
They actually do you just never faced one.

>>109872058
because they all worked

>>109870680
>and libfuse2 is not available because the geniuses that maintain Debian decided that it's not necessary anymore.
debian testing is awful i used it for a few months there so many cases of things like this where packages just dont exist dont use it. if you want new shit use arch

>>109872133
Everytime I read "the exe file just works" I know that person doesn't even know what problem is. The exe is completely meaningless in this context, it's about packaging, but whatever, let's carry on.

What OP is talking about is trying to run an Appimage compatible for Debian 13 and expecting to work in Debian 14 beta (the testing branch of 13).

Do you expect Windows 7 programs to work in Windows 11? If you do you'd be wrong:
- Legacy software like old Photoshop or Microsoft Office doesn't work.
- Applications using old Electron don't work.
- Some old game launchers don't work.
- Many drivers don't work.

Perhaps you never faced this problem because you never needed. There's no difference between Windows and Debian in what OP is talking about.

>>109869968
>I'm trying to compile libfuse2 because some of my AppImages stopped working
Wat? What distro are you using?

>>109870933
This is why Ubuntu LTS is the pinnacle of desktop Linux.

>>109872272
My old copy of baldurs gate works perfect bruh wtf you dumb as hell

>>109872304
You don't need to use LTS, you can use the normal stable one. The LTS is if you want a longer time to update, which you might, but generally that's more for servers. Windows functions like an LTS version though. It's only LTS in fact.

>>109872338
> My old copy of baldurs gate works on my PC! That means every single piece of software works on Windows 11! Wow I'm a genius and that means everyone else is dumb as hell! Hehehe. Everything since Windows XP is surely compatible even when the software clearly states it's not and users have repeatedly confirmed.

Your stupid game also works on Linux. That doesn't mean shit. That game is also gay. You're gay.

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>>109869968
skill issue

>>109872369
>Your stupid game also works on Linux.
Pretty sure if I insert an unreal 2004 CD into a modern Linux PC, that shit will not install without problems. Meanwhile Windows will work flawlessly because it's a superior OS.

>>109872272
>>
>Do you expect Windows 7 programs to work in Windows 11?
Yes

>>109872272
>Do you expect Windows 7 programs to work in Windows 11?
Most applications made for vista (2007) or newer work, because that was the last major change. And when they do break things majorly like XP -> Vista they do face major backlash. Also totally false equivalency, it's equivalent of going from debian 5 -> 14.

Also most new applications work on windows 7 with relatively minor tweaks and with artificial blocking removed, as long at they don't actually rely on new APIs like UWP.

>Appimage compatible for Debian 13
So a 1 year old OS. It's extremely sensible to expect everything to be compatible.

>Legacy software like old Photoshop or Microsoft Office doesn't work.
>Applications using old Electron don't work.
>Some old game launchers don't work.
>Many drivers don't work.
OK like what? Office 2010 works. CS6 doesn't work that's true. But CC 2019 does, that's 700% better than debian in the example.

Then again you're comparing against windows 11 which is in large part a alpha channel OS (Similar to fedora) making consumers do the alpha and beta testing unpaid. Most actual windows users that are in the know are on 10 LTSC where CS6 works well.

>>109871741
Repositories/stores aren't inherently more secure than random executable on the internet or from offline sources such as classic CDs or whatever.

They have a large attack vector since any skilled hacker can hijack one. See the Arch fiasco that happened just a while ago.

>>109872458
That's a great example because you picked a game that doesn't work on Windows 11 by default but works on Linux. You need hacks in order to work.

>>109872515
Wrong. The Windows API in Windows 11 is not the same. They removed functions, they didn't just deprecate. You only don't notice because most of the time you use modern software.

> Most actual windows users that are in the know are on 10 LTSC where CS6 works well.

You're not in the know if you use a Windows version meant for servers that will eventually run into problems.

>>109872272
I already explained that the problem is not that I'm running Debian 13 testing. The problem is why remove the goddamn lib at all????
The new stable will suffer from the same issue anyhow.

Yes, we expect Windows 7 programs to work under 11, and they do. That's a given on the Windows NT platform unlike shitux.

>>109872529
> Repositories/stores aren't inherently more secure than random executable on the internet or from offline sources such as classic CDs or whatever.

We got s genius here. How do you know if you can't see what's in the random download? The reason you know in repositories is because you know the source code.

>>109869968
>backward compatibility
cope luddite

>>109872559
>ignores the recent arch accident
>but what about random exes
nobody installs random binaries from just about anywhere everyone uses official dev/publisher portals.

>>109872556
You explained you're dumb and refuse to realize you're dumb. If you upgrade a debian major version, expect incompatibilities. That's the whole point of it. You appear to not even understand what versioning means.

As for why libfuse2 is being removed, because it's no longer actively maintained and Linux distribution maintainers wisely know that keeping an old library nobody is maintaining is an attack vector.

Several Windows 7 programs don't work on Windows 11. You're under the illusion that they do. NT has nothing to do with it.

>>109872590
Recent arch incidents were from AUR which is a repository where any user can upload his own package. You're expected to read the script yourself, not just randomly install it.

>>109872544
>you picked a game that doesn't work on Windows 11 by default but works on Linux
The Linux version on that CD does not work on modern Linux faggot

>>109872556
That's what you get for not using Ubuntu LTS like a mentally healthy person.

>>109872669
Neither does on Windows, you need to patch it. On modern Linux you can use a Flatpak to make it work if that's your problem, or use one of the Steam runtimes.

Anyway, you're the one claiming everything works on Windows 11 and you picked a game that doesn't work among many. Don't blame me for shooting yourself in the foot, I only proved your idiotic premise wrong. Windows is not fully backwards compatibility like you "just run the exe" claim to be.

>>109872544
>They removed functions, they didn't just deprecate.
Yet it's far from all-encompassing.

>You're not in the know if you use a Windows version meant for servers that will eventually run into problems.
That's the most hilarious thing coming from someone advocating for a OS actually meant for servers.
LTSC is not meant for servers, never have been, it's for premium customers that value their time. Might lose support from browsers and steam some time 2030 but hopefully there's a better LTSC win11 with vertical taskbar then.

>>109872559
>The reason you know in repositories is because you know the source code.
This false sense of security, you assume it's secure because it's OSS but that just makes you more susceptible to attacks.
This is a parallel to "security through obscurity", it's a "security through transparency" fallacy. You assume that because something is open source it has been audited by someone capable when in fact thousands of you are installing new code that could be literally anything seconds after it's been updated, not enough time to find and spread the news about even obvious infostealers.

>>109872603
>Several Windows 7 programs don't work on Windows 11.
>2007 -> 2026
vs.
2025->2026

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This board is fucking retarded. It was renamed not removed. Please do due diligence before entertaining PEBKAC for 8 hours. Yes this is Debian 13 Stable

>>109872717
> LTSC is not meant for servers, never have been, it's for premium customers that value their time

Like servers? You think they're not going to upgrade in laptops? They are. You're not going to find Windows 10 LTSC in companies.

> This false sense of security, you assume it's secure because it's OSS but that just makes you more susceptible to attacks.

But the random download is safer, right?

> 2007 -> 2026 vs. 2025->2026

You're the ones claiming everything runs on Windows 11 as long as it's Windows compatible. Clearly it's not. There's LTS versions in Linux if you want a longer timespan.

>>109872755
In Debian 13 stable you don't have this problem. OP is running testing and hoping it works when libfuse2 has unfixable security issues, which is why they made the decision to bump a version and make it incompatible.

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>>109869968
>Linux will die
Impossible given the trillion dollar companies that back it and rely on it for their own infrastructure. The AI companies in particular are likely already working on an AI double of Linus in case he dies.

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Download UT 2004 from archive.org, install via faugus launcher, it just works. wow that was hard but linux sucks right

>>109872757
>Like servers?
No... Windows server is for servers. How do you not know this? You could argue it's of PoS and such systems...

>You think they're not going to upgrade in laptops? They are. You're not going to find Windows 10 LTSC in companies.
Laptops you're more or less forced to updoot to 11 due to big.LITTLE arch that's artificially not backported. Cause they're all on lease and battery life matters. We still use LTSC at work for desktops.
>But the random download is safer, right?
You're comparing to android now? Reasonably it could be safer if it's from a trusted source and not recently changed. Updooting is a major security risk after all.

>You're the ones claiming everything runs on Windows 11 as long as it's Windows compatible
Nope. Just that's it's some 500%+ better than linux desktop.
>There's LTS versions in Linux if you want a longer timespan.
Which then comes with it's own problems running new applications because linux desktop is in dependency hell.

>>109872788
>Impossible given the trillion dollar companies that back it
It's even more possible. None of them are interested in a good linux desktop as they all ship and use windows or macOS for desktop. They use linux as a single app server runtime, barely a OS really. They are not your friend.

>>109872816
Now do the same with a Linux binary, not a Windows one through proton.

>>109869968
Linus passing would be sad, but he still has ppl who could replace him, like Luke or Yvonne

>>109872816
>installs the windows version
Just another example of how win32 dominates over inferior native linux

>>109872833
> Windows server is for servers.

Lol how innocent. You actually think because it says "server" that's the only version companies use to create a server.

I'm not even going to attempt understanding the unhinged garbage you wrote next. It's unreadable nonsense or useless opinions.

>>109872833
>linux desktop is in dependency hell.
Not since flatpaks and containers became a thing.

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>>109869968
Works fine on Gentoo.

>>109872933
>You actually think because it says "server" that's the only version companies use to create a server.
I have yet to see or hear about any LTSC servers. But of course they might exist as there is macOS and probably windows XP being used for servers to this day. Tiny minority, though. You could use a android 2.1 phone as a server if you want.
>I'm not even going to attempt understanding
This is called cognitive dissonance. You get a anxiety response being confronted with facts you cannot reasonably deny. This is normal, it's okay, but I hope you find a way to deal with it eventually, and realize who are your actual opponents because it's not me.

>>109872973
>Not since flatpaks and containers
This is a cope technology. Appimage, snap, flatpak and docker are ways of trying to deal with being in dependency hell. They work somewhat but they're fractured and far, far from perfect. But the fact that they are so relevant is testament in itself to the fact that you're in dependency hell.

>>109872272
>Legacy software like old Photoshop or Microsoft Office doesn't work
They do.
>Applications using old Electron don't work.
They do.
>Some old game launchers don't work.
They do.
>Many drivers don't work.
They do.

Would be nice for you to give examples, but you won't. Therefore I can say for sure you're a nigger loving tranny and guess what? I suppose I don't have to provide any proofs for those claims either :D

>>109873445
Other anons already confirmed my claim but you're too lazy to even check that.
Some examples: Photoshop CS3 to CS6, Microsoft Office 2003 to 2013, and many older DX7 games like CIV3, Command and Conquer 3, etc which require patches. I don't even discuss drivers because you're retarded claiming these work. Win11 changed the driver model, and many older drivers don't work.

You have lots of examples and you say I won't get proof but you didn't even bother searching?

>>109873370
> This is called cognitive dissonance.
No. It's called you being so retarded I didn't even bother. There's a level of retardation I don't engage. Wtf is an "updoot to 11 due to big.LITTLE arch"? You reached the maximum retarded level. Never go full retard.

> This is a cope technology. Appimage, snap, flatpak...
You know Windows application literally have copies of libraries in the installation right? They're "appimages".

>>109870452
yeah. release of gabecube marked open release of steam os. valve is literally making that stable target you nigger so dreamed of.

>>109873709
Because half of those examples work and the others probably also do I just can't bother testing them. I have only ever used a cracked CS6 for simple image editing for over a decade and it has always worked.
Funny you to mention office 2013 specifically because it also works.
>vidyashit
Don't care enough to even download them again, Steam's Civ 3 works, if you're talking of a Civ 3 CDROM from literally two decades and a half ago, maybe it doesn't and needs a trivial patch that requires 30 seconds of your time to both search and install.
>driver
I'm so sorry the driver for your sound blaster doesn't one-click install anymore after thirty years and you now have to download a patch and double click it again (gasp!!) to make it work.

Yeah I'll have to stick to calling you a nigger loving tranny, sorry, your examples aren't really up to snuff.

>>109873803
hes just asking chatgpt to hallucinate examples that fit his narrative

>>109873803
>I'm so sorry the driver for your sound blaster doesn't one-click install anymore after thirty years and you now have to download a patch and double click it again (gasp!!) to make it work.
They work when installed via compatibility mode, but even then it's a gamble. Windows does break compatibility and then MSFT has the gall to claim that win32 apis were used wrong (especially if the software was written before the arbitrary conventions).

>>109872973
>>109872933
>>109873370
Node and python are perfect contrasting examples of this dependency hell and not dependency hell situation.Both are sloppy scripting languages for beginners, but Node runtime breaks as a little as it can and only breaks on major versions, and pin dependency versions by default.
Python on the other hand breaks on feature versions, dependencies have not even a trace of the version by default, third party devs don't give a crap as a result, so all serious users need cope technology like conda and mamba, there's more than a dozen and they are standard.

>>109873746
>No. It's called you being so retarded I didn't even bother. There's a level of retardation I don't engage.
Nah. You just dont understand and I understand that it's painful for you. Case in point:
>Wtf is an "updoot to 11 due to big.LITTLE arch"?
Okay let me break it down for you.
1. Updoot is a unnecessary update, due to reddit/hivemind corporate bootlicker mentality.
2. big.LITTLE means a architecture of a CPU, with "big" cores that are high power high performance and "LITTLE" cores that are lower performance lower power. This needs software support for proper scheduling.
3. Microsoft refused to backport their scheduler for especially intels big.LITTLE arch in their new CPUs, which only matters in high FPS gaming but also matters in efficiency for laptops.

>You know Windows application literally have copies of libraries in the installation right
It happens and that's find because it works. Appimage, snap, flatpack etc. are all about coping because the linux desktop is in dependency hell with both system and user dependencies.

>>109873709
>Other anons already confirmed my claim but you're too lazy to even check that
No we anti-confirmed your claim. Of course not all 16-19 year old applications work. But many do. You're welcome to find a example of a GUI application made for debian 5-6 that works on debian 14. One of your examples listed, office, office 2010 works on windows 11. Which major, GUI and fully featured package that was made for 5-6 works on 14 now?
>>109873803
Yeah he's running totally on a false equivalency. Because not all 16 year old applications work on windows that means it's find for linux desktop to break combability after 1 year.
>>109873881
"It's a gamble" is a huge advantage here. Although it should be said for certain sets of hardware, desktop linux distros have OK drivers. But as for modern, but still years old hardware the combability of linux distros are so bad that you will encounter many bugs out of the box and need to tinker to get rid of them.

>>109873803
also theres a good chance the civ 3 cdrom WOULD work were the code not niggerlicious shit with hardcoded paths

>>109870375
But I use GNU+HURD on GNU Guix?

>>109874043
Linux literally never breaks compatibility Linus makes sure of that

>>109869984
>causes marcan to have a meltie on the mailing list

uhhhh based???

>>109873803
>>109874043
I guess you're retarded and that's it. These are known to not work without hacks. I could give you more examples but since you're pretending it works, there's no point. You're just going to drag on with "nop, works".

>>109873881
Drivers don't install with compatibility mode.

>>109874690
xD

>appimage
>flatpak
>>>snap
Just use your standard God given packages.

I remember AppImages just stopped working for me because of some shit related to squashFS IIRC. It wasn't a big deal to compile the latest versions of the tools, but my god. There should be an error message that tells you what went wrong. Sometimes I would just do a 7zz x <AppImage> and run it that way.

>>109869984
>>allowed rust cancer
>>allowed ai-slop in the kernel
How can one man be so based?

>>109869968
I agree. The problems with desktop Linux runs deep. It even affects BSD unless we're ready to depart from XDG/X11/Wayland standards. AppImage was a great attempt at fixing a lot of the issues with traditional packaging too.

>>109872556
>The problem is why remove the goddamn lib at all????
Because you're using the testing branch. It's a literal beta OS that will remove or change things at will, often temporarily, to see what happens. Imagine if I daily drove the Windows beta channel and bitched about applications breaking, and used that as an indictment against the NT kernel lol.

>>109872883
>win32 dominates over inferior native linux
There's no such thing as "native" userspace lol.

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>>109869968
back in the oven kike

>>109869968
Its already dead.

>>109869968
hahahahahahahah

like dog do you know what an llm is? do I look like an llm to you? slime trail away snailcat