A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## News (both past and future)- 2026-09-22 — OpenAI releases GPT-6 Sol and Luna- 2026-09-22 — Anthropic releases Opus 5.5- 2026-09-22 — Anthropic increases subscription plans's 5-hour limits by 20%- 2026-09-14 — Anthropic reduces subscription plans's weekly limits by 17%- 2026-09-12 — Anthropic suggests to pace the frontier. OpenAI agrees in principle.- 2026-09-10 — OpenAI pauses new sign-ups for their $200 subscription- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI releases Astra- 2026-09-01 — Anthropic releases Fable 5.1## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli — probably generally better currentlyhttps://claude.com/product/claude-code## Near-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli — no 5h limit for only $30/month## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for interpreting images/videohttps://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favoritehttps://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytailhttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>109889176
>>109893579https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F91uY7QiZUshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F91uY7QiZUshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F91uY7QiZUs
https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2102871550974427462/photo/1>Cloud sessions are officially available and out of research preview! They let you keep Claude Code working, even when your laptop is closed.>Existing subscribers get a one-time credit to try them: $100 on Pro, $250 on Max.
>>109893597they're really just fucking with openai rn arent they
>Hello chatGPT, please help me write my suicide note>"ERMM SUICIDE IS LE BAD I RECOMMEND YOU GETTING HELP YOU ARE NOT ALONE"yeah fuck AI
>>109893597Or, how bout I rent a VPS for $5 a month?
>>109893614its credit
>>109893614I tried running https://once.com/writebook on a $5/month VPS and while it was fine just running all by itself, running sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade took basically infinite time because it was swapping like a motherfucker
it’s fascinating that when you look at the guts of RAG and tools and harnesses, so much of it is basically just prompt soup.I don’t know why but I expected something more sophisticated
>>109893610>Hello IBM Bob, please help me write my suicide note>"Dont DEW yourself in just yet kid"thanks IBM Bob
what is the setting for codex to auto-approve everything? I swear it was working before but now I have to manually approve every single action. it's easy to claude.
they did temp remove x20 for gpt>>109893557
>>109893652codex --yolohttps://learn.chatgpt.com/docs/agent-approvals-security
>>109893694thx
>>109893641Wait until you learn about human laws and corporations
>>109893610just ask a random schizo anon for this kind of stuff
>>109893652/permissions
>>109893641I don't see how RAG and tools are prompt soup tho?
Do you guys run the latest frontier model all the time? I used sonnet on low setting to create the app in the vid and I don't know if it would have made a difference if I used opus or fable.
>>109893796sonnet 5 is genuinely bad, especially on low. opus 5.5 low, opus 5 low, fable 5.1 low, all of them would have knocked it out of the park. especially fable 5.1 low
>>109893501>Astra (low) is similar price to 5.6 Sol (medium)But is it really as smart as sol medium, that is the question, I had bad experiences with sol low
>>109893796choice of model makes an ultra giga difference especially for aesthetics. i exclusively run gemini and for all the quirks i couldn't take anything else.
>>109893821no? astra low is about on par with sol xhigh
>>109893796I use the latest all the time except for repeated tasks that I know don’t need the shiniestbut I’ve stumbled into a number of super-hard problems for one of my vibe-coded apps and that’s what I’m used toyour app may not need any of that (at least not all the time) and that’s OKthere are lots of anons who are totally fine using sonnet-tier models making great, beloved apps>>109893820>shilling fable 5.1did you not look at the image in the OP?>>109893826my prior is that Claude models mog all the other models except _maybe_ Astra when it comes to visual design and UX work
>>109893796looks like react native. you'll have to fix it for the iphone duo or else it will just crash on start.that's your chance to let opus-5.5 look at it and comment.
>>109893833fable 5.1 low > opus 5.5 low. opus 5.5 med / high are where it's at, but opus 5.5 low is not good
>>109893796if you are happy with it, you're golden. that said, having opus do a review pass to point out any glaring issues couldn't hurt.
>>109893833claude up to 5-series has historically had a narrow artistic range and speaking tone / writing style. maybe 5.5 opus is different for you. astra is the most capable but also i can spot its work because it's always dry as fuck. gemini is the off-meds schizo of the family and makes anything you want because google
>>109893839oh, I generally use high or xhigh for everything — opus, fable, sol, astra, and grok
hoyoverse will make a better model than qwen or mimo or whatever the fuck
>Claim your $250 cloud session credithow? clicking it does nothing
how will things look 2 years from now
>>109893868they vibe coded it
>>109893870snailers will unironically riot on a level that will make blm look like child's play.
>>109893868works for me
>>109893868i had to restart the app.>tfw i was a 20x user till recently and now missing out on gibs...
>>109893614cloud sessions don't cost extrahttps://x.com/lydiahallie/status/2102906166775083081
>>109893779soup was a dumb meme word. I guess I just mean the prompts are all to some degree various pieces of text added together in an arbitrary structure, and this passes for engineering. e.g. RAG something like this>Answer question using just this context>context: <top k chunks>>question: what is blahblahblah not to downplay its effectiveness, it works pretty well
>>109893870> look at SoTA LLMs from 2 years ago> pic relatedbruh, at this pace we will have AGI by then, SoTA models are literally useless today
>GNOME spokesperson, Jordan Petridis, has proposed the complete ban of using AI, in any way, related to GNOME.>"LLMs ('AI') can not be used to create or modifyanything submitted to GNOME, or hosted on GNOME infrastructure.">Adding that, "You might be banned for trying to circumvent this policy. [...] Free Palestine."https://x.com/LundukeJournal/status/2102918538222817564
>>109893949>SoTA models are literally useless todayOP here, sorry, I meant SoTA LLMs from 2 years ago are useless today
>>109893960wtf who leaves a space in their post, to fuck me up on 4channel?
new graffiti system looks good, it applies as a layer on top of facadesidk what i want my game to be, but i definitely want you to be able to spray paint different factions messages on opposing factions buildings / districts for cash / reputationi think if i just steal enough game mechanics from san andreas and make them cyberpunk i will have a game worth playing eventuallyastra one shot a minimap as well of course, but actually making a nice UI will be tough. I'm thinking of just doing code page 437 e.g. etc since that fits the theme and Astra can definitely make it look kino
>>109893962unless its an open weight image model
>>109893960kek, it's hilarious to see these fags proving their point that this was never about improving things for everyone, it was always about power
>>109893960performative snail signaling
>>109893968>kosher graffiti systemgod i miss tel aviv tachana merkazit
>>109893960Zero surprise, there is a huge witch hunt around AI in the open source space, and the result is obvious: in a few years the ones banning AI will either change their tune as the current boogeyman dies or their project will be relegated to obscurity.>Free PalestineWhat?
>>109893983
>>109893964assuming you mean newline instead of space.you posted file.png that shows why there's a newline after "... modify". it's for typesetting.
>>109893989>newlinesounds like an insulation company
>>109893960I wanted to hate this but> These are just a draft of the kind of criteria one could use to evaluate if a submission fits the policy.> > • You must be able to personally reason and explain your changes> • You must be able to demonstrate knowledge of the problem space you are working on> • You must solve the underlying issue, not just its symptoms> • You must respect the time of fellow contributors> • You must not impersonate yourself through chatbots, agents, or other automated systemsall of these are good rules to have for a project like GNOMEI just disagree on whether they should single out AI as uniquely bad
>>109893968I will keep bringing up anarchy online and the game you're working on looks good anon.
>>109894010correct, it's just a pathetic way to go about signaling best practices thoughever. it's all hand-waving, they have no way to enforce or prove anything.
>the newline character is now at a deep enough layer of abstraction that people will never have to learn what it is
>>109893968>idk what i want my game to beit's so fucking over bro, just drop it already.trust me, you're wasting tokens and your time
>>109893987These people are sickeningly performative.
wait, since when can Opus make video and music that is surprisingly good with lots of relevant reverences?https://github.com/JohnHeibel/PDoomVideohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j-hR4fJywU
>>109894022I think it would be helpful (but then again, maybe not) if people who submitted patches with the help of AI could be up-front about the agents they used on what settingsthat way, if I use Opus 6 or whatever to make a patch we can all agree that having cross-checking from Astra 7 is going to be more valuable than more checks from Anthropic anything>>109894041>wanting to make a game but not knowing what to makemany such casesdon’t sweat itjust make sure your phone or whatever has a way for you to easily and quickly capture notes for ideas if/when one strikes you
>>109894024
>>109894050you could just do like openaihttps://github.com/openai/codex/discussions/9956>We no longer accept unsolicited pull requests.>In an AI-accelerated world, code itself is no longer the scarce resource. Understanding the problem, identifying the right solution, and making good prioritization decisions are the hard parts. Those are the areas where community input is most valuable — and where it scales.>We’ve found that engaging contributors earlier, through discussion and analysis rather than code diffs, leads to better outcomes for everyone. Once the right solution is clear, the implementation is usually straightforward.
>>109894050honor system, tragedy of the commons, tiny violin
>>109893987What makes you think community and social bonds are a metric?
>>109894069>you
Someone should vibecode a button that switches your next monthly plan payment between claude and anthropic based on which has the hotter model on a given month.
>>109894072directionbrains ngmi, i've got my tandoori in with gemini for the long road
>>109894072>between claude and anthropicyou dun goofed
>>109894071Sorry anon, I'll greentext it and end it with a /s next time
>>109894082Sorry, I've just been thinking about how good oppussy looks while I wait for my OAI subscription time to end.
>>109893981>kosher graffiti systemi have no idea what the hebrew says desu, i just asked it for something inspired by They Liveits just one of the first batch of faction specific graffitissome are more cringe than others>>109893983>Free Palestine>What?LLMs are spiritually israeli>>109894012thanks anon. the more i work on it the longer it feels it's gonna take to get to a presentable state. still haven't even added any sounds etc>>109894041>it's so fucking over bro, just drop it already.>trust me, you're wasting tokens and your timeI know I want something like the old GTA 3 / Vice City / San Andreas games, but also something more Mount and Blade / Starsector where you can have a genuine impact on the world and its characters. Fully wiping out a faction will have to be a scripted scenario though given the way I've set up my game world, maybe that's a potential optional way to end the game and see an ending cutscene like how Rimworld lets you "beat" the game
>>109894095Just a little prediction, anthropic will quantize its model in the next weeks and reduce its quota, then you'll switch again and beg for tibo resets. See you next month!
opus 5.5 medium one shotted the gemini computer use chrome extension. works like a dream. got gemini to take an itil practice exam. it was kinda ghetto, kinda janky. even cheated a bit. numerous times, gemini would be like "fuck i don't know the answer. better go to quizlet" he's just like me frfr
>>109894115this is what im expecting too. still going to enjoy it while it lasts.
>>109894049It pisses me off more people aren't talking about it. Opus 5.5 genuinely seems to have a very good understanding of what it's making in 3D.
>>109894107>צרכוyou will consume>צייתוyou will obey>אורlight (divine) >אין אותno letter>התעוהרו you will wake up
>>109894115I'm pretty happy with astra with the current usage desu. Though I do always have a banked reset it my pocket. I kind of just want Opus to take a look at my code, clean up a few things, make some tools more user friendly then it can fuck off. Maybe a 20 dollar tier or something is enough to do that, I don't know. But I barely have the room in my budget for my current OAI subscription.
I'm glad I only have a $20 sub so I can stop and not vibe all day, otherwise I'd flip over this whole industry with my code.
>>109894124genuinely people only cared about it on astra because they had early access and were told to try it and make a tweet on launch day
>>109894119These thoughts are so sovful, are you doing like https://stolen-thoughts.com/?
>>109894182nah. all of that is opus
>>109894061IIRC https://ladybird.org — the non-globocorpo browser — has a “no unsolicited PRs” policy tooI have an AI-assisted GNOME bug report that I’ve been sitting on and I’m not sure if I want to submit it or not>>109894069kek>>109894072>not having partially-overlapping accountsshiggity
>Claude refuses to generate me 250 of my 512 waifus sprites because of age tags
holy shit... claude can solve leetcode mediums....
>>109894287that state budget deficit just got $10 billion dollars deeper
>>109894277astra is also obsessed about that bullshit, use grok, sol or maybe glm
>>109894287>bacteriophagesgood, we’re running out of antibioticssure would be nice to get some more
>>109894287will Claude discover the Gay Gene
>>109894287no wonder my fucking shit wasnt going thru a few days ago
waow
github copilot harness was ported to rust.https://github.blog/ai-and-ml/generative-ai/migrating-the-github-copilot-runtime-to-rust-using-copilot/>Lessons learned>The goal needs to be clearly and fully stated>End-to-end tests are absolutely, unequivocally critical>Protect the oracle from the agent>Translate first, redesign second>Turn repeated failures into future successes>The developer inner loop matters more with agents in the loop, not less
>>109893960Did they fix their thumbnail picker yet?
>>109894396yes, four years agohttps://blog.gtk.org/2022/12/15/a-grid-for-the-file-chooser/
>>109894382maybe it isn’t there
>>109894394Why did showing text and calling tools need a rust rewrite anyway?
>>109894396I’m pretty sure it’s fixed even in debian stable
>>109894429imagine vim written in JavaScript but it has lots of automatically scrolling textnow imagine how you could get that to take less CPU>translate first, redesign secondI should read the article — Claude’s been recommending over and over again that I make my Python less stupid before doing any Rust ports
https://github.blog/ai-and-ml/generative-ai/migrating-the-github-copilot-runtime-to-rust-using-copilot/>If we look at the CLI, it’s logically a terminal UI (TUI) on top of an agent loop. As it happened, the whole stack was implemented in TypeScript, using Node.js as the framework and V8 for the execution engine, with Ink and React for UI.maybe one day this will stop being weird to me but today is not yet that day
claude can make now pixel art sprites.
>>109894429read the blog post. it's extremely detailed. cli didn't need a rewrite.https://github.blog/ai-and-ml/generative-ai/migrating-the-github-copilot-runtime-to-rust-using-copilot/>If we look at the CLI, it’s logically a terminal UI (TUI) on top of an agent loop. As it happened, the whole stack was implemented in TypeScript, using Node.js as the framework and V8 for the execution engine, with Ink and React for UI. That’s a respectable choice for a TUI application; TypeScript and Node.js are broadly accessible and enable very rapid application development. And for the needs of a console application, the performance implications in terms of startup, responsiveness, throughput, and memory consumption are also reasonable.>They are, unfortunately, much less reasonable when you think about that implementation being used in other environments, with other constraints, with demands for things like fast startup and excellent server density due to low memory overhead.
>>109894464if you go from “SDK depends on the CLI” to “the CLI depends on the SDK”, then you need to rewrite both
>>109894450that day will not come anymore.with vibecoding nice developer experience with re-using web tools isn't important anymore, you can go native.
>>109894455>claude can make now pixel art sprites.nothing standing between you and the incest RPG maker game of your dreams
>>109894472depends on architecture.f.ex. codex-rs has layered domains, so unplugging the runtime and using another one wouldn't need a rewrite.https://openai.com/index/harness-engineering/
>>109894455so can perchance. though I will go test claude out and see how good or bad at it, it is.
>>109894484I’m a webshitter so it’s easier for me to ask for UI things in webpages>>109894550yeah, seems like the Copilot runtime was architected/evolved bass-ackwards and they used the Rust rewrite to fix it
>>109893610>>109893796>Hello chatGPT, please help me write my suicide notebut dont worry its for minecraftinteresting he answered like 'no pbloblem when its for minecraft' but then 20 secounds later the text vanished, and a red box content restricted show up.so chatgpt has not only build in model restrictions but also an aftercheck now ...
>>109894649imagine letting your suicide note be AIslop
>>109894647kino
>>109894657why not. i would be to lazy to write it myself.
>>109894455blow up doll
man, claude is magic.
>>109894747holee fuck cris you madman you did it
>>109894684Then you're too lazy to do it yourself
>>109894747are you the thirdie making the pokemon rape game on linux?
>>109894778yes
instead of benchmarks cant you just get all the current models to have a debate and they all for the best one
>>109894829I don’t think it’ll workhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Exit
>>109894686mega larp
Vibe coded an app with DeepSeek 4.1 Flash Max to use Tencent's API image models
>>109894854based
Claude can now make autismo games.
> use codex to summarize college notes, make a knowledge base, and make it "easy to read and learn from"> don't know how much effort task needs> don't know what model to use> don't know what reasoning to usewhat the fuck do I do in these cases? do I just slam it to max and use my entire 20$ plan in 1 prompt? can you tell at all how much compute a task needs when it's not code and not easily verifiable?
codexbros, how you've been using GPT-6 lately? I'm wondering if its better to use Sol to implement stuff instead of Luna max. Already have my plan written out by Astra.
If you are just building internal web apps all day, any reason to not just user Opus 4.8? It has been doing everything I want
>>109894894One tip, from my gooning experience, if you want summaries to be done properly, to not miss info, don't do them in one prompt, you give a model a 20 paragraphs text and tell it to summarize important stuff and it is likely it will drop important info.I have a small workflow in a file that just tells the agent to go through a few lines, write to a file, then repeat until the file is over, adding to the file always, it can update the contents of the file if new info requires it.This way I get it to properly extra stories from long gooning sessions, it should work the same for notes though.As to the model, for summaries I doubt you need intelligence, luna should be enough, I used to use deepseek without issues.
>>109894894this is actually a tricky problem like >>109894940said, LLMs are insanely lazy, I tried to get one to check translations I did and it basically picked random lines to read, you need to chunk it
>>109894894You almost never need max. I manage a code base with millions of lines of code and I basically never use max.
>>109893579These things have become so capable I don't want them on my personal machines. How viable would it be to set up a cheap VPS, install troonix on it, and mess around with Claude or ChatGPT there?
I still enjoy coding by hand and I will never let some clanker take this away from me
>>109895003That is how I started with opencode, you can connect to it remotely directly from your machine, or sshing into it first. It also has a web UI mode.I do not recommend opencode though, their work on the harness has been dissapointed but I am sure codex also has a remote dev flow
>>109893597Wouldn't that require uploading my local projects to their cloud or something?
5.5 making me sleep
>>109894854Add a button to strip them on demand
>>109895005thank you scrivener
>>109895025if you want to use any good llm you need to go through someone's service no matter what, and share your data with them, and have that data be used to make their models bettereven if you spent $10000 on hosting a local model it would still not be even comparable to chatgpt/claudesorry, you shouldn't use AI if you're schizo anyway, normal people don't care
>>109894894I feel like you'd get more usage out of mimo
>>109895061No I get that I just mean wouldn't it be a pain for it to have to upload my entire project and then I download it after I boot up again etc
>>109894940>One tip, from my gooning experienceOf course I find the one other guy doing workflow summaries of slowburns in a non porn thread lmao. Got any other cool shit for a fellow slowburnfag?
>>109894917Opus 4.8 is expensive. Opus 5 Low was basically on the same level as Opus 4.8 Max but much cheaper, and now Opus 5.5 is even better while still being cheaper than Opus 5.i work with complex webapp projects all day too, and there's almost no reason to use older Opus models since they just keep getting cheaper
>>109895025yeah, but how is that worse than letting them run a program on your computer that can write little programs that can theoretically do anything that isn’t blocked by a sandbox, including exfiltrating the code when you’re not paying attention?how airtight is the sandbox you’re planning to run on your computer?you don’t need to trust them that much now, but it’s worth thinking through what you’re defending againstask your clanker about all the Ray Chen articles about being on the other side of an airtight hatchway
>>109895084you’re probably just doing git push git pulland those just send over deltasunless you have massive assets like for games — in that case, look into what games do. maybe git-lfs or something even more modern might help
>>109895093Cost isn't an issue really. I will try 5.5 though and see if I notice any difference. So far all of the 5 ones I tried seemed worse
dario is not done. the oven is still running
>>109895168altman will commit sudoku live during dev day if sonnet competes with sol
>>109895168>>109895173buy an ad dario(that goes for you too sam)
>>109895168Who cares about sonnet, give me Fable 5.5>>109895173total twink death
>>109893579Claude just gave me 100 dollars for free
>>109895181I got 250, no idea why.
>>109895093>Opus 5 Low was basically on the same level as Opus 4.8 MaxYeah but Opus 4.8 was shit.
>>109895090Not really, I just like keeping stories in files so I can read them later or continue them, when the session is done I just tell it to send a sub agent to extract it to a file and update the 'status' file for the story so it is easy to continue later. Just read the status file and the last story file
>>109895186They're for cloud sessions only. You connect github and it looks like uses those credits first before going back to your regular usage.
>>109895164>I will try 5.5 though and seeOkay right off of the bat it refused to do something using a local only dev API key for some bullshit security reason (that isn't real) and fell back to 4.8.So I won't be switching yet, I'm not dealing with that.
>>109894876
>>109895253Man, this is cool.
>>109895262wtf
>>109895262Is this like a dwarf fortress clone?
>>109893641Ever seen one of those large corporate ERP systems? It's basically huge, banal tables with industry-specific configurations. Conceptually simple and computationally it's cheap.
>>109895262>rimworld / dwarf fortress but with 5% of the content
>>109894107> …the more i work on it the longer it feels it's gonna take to get to a presentable state.You gotta reduce the scope and get to your MVP (Minimal Viable Product). Just hammer out one or two key features really well, ship it, start getting user feedback, and push updates as you go. Plus, when you post it to socials first and it’s not complete, then you can keep posting pics and vids of the updates, which will drive more users via the algorithm. You got this, anon.
>>109892257New deaf grapes
>>109895374Actual good advice
>>109895352but it’s _his own_ rimworld/dwarf fortress with currently 5% of the content>>109895374yeah, the startup scene — you know, the people who used “load-bearing” before it got sucked up and spat out by Claude five times a paragraph — has a lot of knowledge about how to turn proyour clanker can tell you all about it and get you from a 1/10 to at least a 5/10
>>109893924>LydiaMember of CNC party staff
>>109895405>—
>>109895419>clankers work great on macOS>the Mac has had option-_ for — since literally 1984: https://infinitemac.org>stuff eventually gets ported to Windows but usually it’s crappier>clankers also work on linux>X11 has had [compose]--- since whenever tooupdate your priors
Fucking hell saltman. Just release the internal supergenius model now so we can outdo opus. This is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed to be subscribed to gpt pro.
>>109895457don’t be embarrassedjust join us for like a monthimmediately cancel if you like so you don’t get charged for a second monthyou don’t have to give up your current subscription, and even if you don’t want as much Astra/Sol/Luna as you used to you can just downgradeand then maybe upgrade back if/when Altman is the mogger and not the moggee
>>109895457you already got shitty sol 2.0 and you VILL like it
>>109895457You're aware that Anthropic's internals mog everything that OpenAI has? (except when it comes to useless math shit I guess)
If you're only subscribed to one provider you're missing out, always.
Google, where the FUCK is a new SOTA model?
>>109895479nta but yes, anthropic is a/b testing haiku on me, it was revealed by claude in a dream and it's the model that me and Dario didn't plan for but can't unsee
I’m still working on my puzzle benchmark (Factorio, but little engineering puzzles, not “play the game”) and so far, it seems to be interesting:>Task: connect two rail segments that are parallel and close to each other>Astra: god tier but expensive, 1.26 minutes and 3.5M “cost units”>Sol: all rounder, 2.54 minutes and 1.4M cost units >Luna: dumb but cheap, 14.28 minutes and 435k cost unitsSo I thought these looked about right, let’s test something else.>GLM 5.3: 18m 5s, 3.5M cost units, failed the puzzle So in my benchmark, GLM 5.3 is dumber than Luna, failed to solve the puzzle slower than Luna, and more expensive than AstraThe fuck? Is GLM really that fucking bad?
Anyone already used the Claude reset? Does it only reset Opus or also Fable?
>>1098955795.3 is a flop, 5.3 Flash is a banger
>>109895484I thought they just barely caught up to Elon before Grok 4.7 came outand now Grok got gigamogged by Opus
Opus 5.5 isn't as crazy good as people say.
>>109895611I'm interested in hearing your story.
>>109895580>didn’t see OP’s pic>still using Fable after Opus 5.5 was released
>>109895579could be worse
>>109893960How many pro-AI forks of anti-AI projects are we gonna see? This will probably be the funniest thing.
>>109895622>my brain appears to have been digitized and is now being used to play factoriohuh, neat
>>109893960I find it really odd that some software devs are ludditesaside from some close-to-the-metal embedded stuff it's been a framework and feature mill for about fifteen years now, where you're continually picking up new knowledge and tooling. You'd think such people would have an easy time adapting.
>>109895631I’m porting my favorite XScreenSaver hacks to Metal 4 to make them smoother with lower CPU usagecheck its AGENTS.md before you point your clanker at it, though — jwz has a landmine in there
>>109893960>GNOME exists as a collective that find joy in reaching beyond our individual limitations to achieve something bigger. These people, this joy, are the whole point of the project.The snailcat credo, "I'm not actual trying to get things done, I just want to enjoy what I'm doing".
>>109895615Opus isn't bad now, but in reality Fable still mogs.>>109895613It just makes more small mistakes. For instance yesterday it didn't understand how much memory an algorithm needs, then tried to optimize it in ways that weren't necessary.
>>109895654“fascism is when people use AI to make GNU+Linux better”I don’t even like Omarchy and would rather Debian Stable with GNOME be stable and bug-free
>>109895650A landmine? Like they put an instruction to fuck things up?
>>109895665>It just makes more small mistakesI wonder if that can be compensated for more effectively (time and cost) by having workflows with opus (or maybe Fable) judges, or maybe multiple parallel implementers with one judge/assembler
>>109893960It really is an interesting time, the giga autists who carried FOSS on their backs are now being overwhelmed with retards who can submit code, but not provide value or knowledge worth networking over.As time progresses this will continue to move in favor of the retards as they create projects of improved clarity and maintain ability.But the amusing part is closed source is not safe either, people can crack your drm or extract assets faster than ever before. The next year is going to be wild
>>109895676yeahalso there’s this magic string in there that looks like the “this is a test virus” magic stringbut for Claude and OpenAI>theyjwz (Jamie Zawinski) is a guy
>>109895680>just shovel more trash on top of the pile>>109895683>The next year is going to be wildbased, i like it when things happen
>>109894061This makes sense desu
>>109895690it’s not additive. this is making more than one and then picking/synthesizing the best oneand opus is so much faster
>>109895680I already have reviews, but you are right that when the cost is lower, I could add more.It's probably all possible, just would take some time to update my harness. This is also one of the reasons I haven't used GPT as an orchestrator in a long time, it's all just too optimized for a specific workflow with only a few models that fit it.
>>109895706I would have a lot of trouble moving to GPT as an orchestrator because I really, really like Claude’s workflows
>>109895683>But the amusing part is closed source is not safe eitherneither are utilities such as water, electricity, software controlling pipelines and so on. it's all connected to the internet, too.
scam and tibo embarrassed themselves by naming a terra/sonnet tier model as Sol
vcg fags could never come up with thishttps://x.com/maximusgrave/status/2102800008982777902
>>109895352>5%Try 0.5% lmao
Guys how important is getting Claude certified before I start vibe coding?
https://x.com/BubuStd/status/2102991290568954264>I just built the game I wanted most as a kid on PS2 — Dynasty Warriors — with Opus 5.5 ultracode. Zhao Yun vs 300 soldiers: combos, dodges, Musou. wtf man this looks insane
>>109893949AGI is unlikely within 5 years.We're talking about it having the adaptive capability to handle anything we shove at it.That is still far, far out of our reach and likely limited by the entire stack.There is no way, with what we have invented, that it can scale to that level of adaptability.
I cancelled my sub this at the start of this month because of Opus 5 but now idk bros... Might have to renew again before this month ends.
>>109895880as important as noticing the ad disclosure
>>109895819>muh google calendar wrapperlol
>>109894899Sol 6 is.. different.It wants to jump to coding while i'm still getting around to rambling about a problemIt also does stuff without you asking to like gemini used to
>carry your agent with you everywhere you goIf it's done right, I think it could be kind of cool. The only shitty part is that I absolutely do not trust Zuck with anything. I refuse to use any meta apps.
>>109895939LMAO wtf is that shirtbased zuckbro
>I am the only dumbo who noted on his app store front that it contains AI elementsHONESTY
>>109895955There is ZERO benefit to disclosing AI usage. It can only harm you.
>>109895939>carry your agent with you everywhere you goI already have a smartphone, fuckerberg.
>>109895928I genuinely don't know what the use case for sol is anymore. It's like luna except it thinks it hot shit so instead of just doing what it's told it tries to be the hero and fuck everything up.It doesn't know its place.
Sol 6 pissing me the fuck off. Normally I dick ride Saltman but they really fucked this one. They better not take 5.6 Sol from me, I like Astra but she's a greedy piggy.
>>109893960the guy who wrote that cant stop seething about omarchy
>>109893614the og $5 a month VPSes are like $8 a month now because ram
is opus 5.5 really mogging fable 5.1 or is it benchmaxxed?
>>109895683crux of the issue is that vibecoding is a lot more fun than reviewing and maintaining codeand no you cannot delegate review to a clanker that's not how it works
>>109896007Its been orchestrating a long horizon task non stop between, opus, astra, gemini, and some fable, on multiple systems, responding to all my inputs, all the while usage isnt just disapearing.
>>109894894studying, at its core, is reading source material, summarizing the important bits yourself, then training your retention of those important bits. Summarizing IS studying. You should not replace that with an AI system. You will learn nothing, and will not be able to reproduce shit on the exam. Summarize yourself.You should use these AI RAG systems whena) one human can't possibly hold all the information (think legal codes, wikipedia type stuff). that's when they're really usefulb) as an exploratory tool. to wade through large textbooks, to give you an idea what the material is aboutc) as an explanation giver. it can gives examples, make up extra exercises, check your work stuff like that.as someone who is relatively fresh out of college, do not let them replace your brain. do not become mush. resist.
>>109895939why is everybody a dysgenic jew with pubes on their head
https://youtu.be/aOQI31weg_8?t=105gptsisters, we fucking lost
>>109895988Seems like a very trustworthy dude, I'd be glad to rely on him to maintain my OS
>>109896030buy an ad
Wait Sam Altman has no equity in OpenAI??He's purely doing it for the love of the game. How can you hate this gay nigga after this?
>>109895939Ternus said this is what the watch and phone are for
>>109896007It’s about Fable in ability but way cheaper and way fasterIt’s in the same league as Grok when it comes to speedAsk Claude what you can do with workflows
I don't want to give dario money, so if they don't do anything within 2 weeks I switch to muse and cancel gpt subit's embarrassing to be a gptbro now
>>109896101>I switch to musebig oofmight as well use chinkmodels
>>109896057thats his escape hatch for when the masses arise
>>109896109rumor is they will release a model this weekalso meta will be the peasant cage, if can't escape then better join early to get the upper seat
ask Opus 5.5 to go through your chat transcript files across your different projects and figure out what you could improve in your workflows
Unironically, what's better for vibecoding:The standard $20 Anthropic subOr$375 worth of Deepseek-V4.1-Flash/GLM-5.3-Flash API credits per monthNot an academic question, there is currently an inference provider that provides the latter for $20/month. No idea what the catch is but it's legit
>>109896152depends on your use casereasonably simple tasks, deepsneed wins by a milesomething which is difficult to prove the correctness of, or you're unable to provide a thorough plan (or even specify what you want properly), you'll probably want a smarter model to paper over your stupidity and lack of skills
>>109895983It is great for long running chores, things that would be wasted on Astra. Clearly defined tasks. Like testing stuff in 8 different VMs, collecting data, finding and testing performance bottlenecks and reporting on them.
i dont like that all the 6 models ignore my skills like superpowersit keeps on missing a bunch of shit it usually caught when it went through that workflow
>>109896201get a different harness
>>109896207literally using codex
>>109896201gemini applies skills based on a compacted directory scan before the first token and it works kek. i have a github math skill that invokes without a single mention, it just has to see "github" and "math" in the same place.
>>109895988>Crush fascismDHH is a fascist? Cool>In 2025, Hansson published a blog post[32] expressing support for far-right British activist Tommy Robinsonoh no it’s the jewish version
>>109896152Does it have to be "or" $20 Opus 5.5 access is really hard to beat right now. While you get your china models on opencode go for $10.
>>109896030Too bad Opus 5.5 isn't paretoing at the cheap end (so if you need to do basic stuff you're still better off with GPT-6 Sol).
i can't have sex with 6 sol5.6 sol is happy to have sextherefore i'm buying into the conspiracy theories that 6 sol is actually just 6 terra
status of me vibe coding a game with the extra claude compute from my main money making idea
>>109896321Nice, but why is the simulation backend in F#?
>>109896315if you want random filipinos to read your ERP then just go to muse spark
>>109896349no, sam personally reads my erp and i know he's going to fix this
>>109896331because i decided it would be easier for an ai to model a world in f# instead of oop
>>1098946491984.
https://x.com/DJiafei/status/2102770624305500207I would had cried if astra lost this
>>109896331Example file
It took Claude a single day to replicate 80% of the work that took a top 1% human intelligence wise, 20 years to make.
>>109895939based tshirt and muse has officially the cutest mascot
>>109896385i dont understand the pitch for these assistant AIs at all
>>109896383>aldeanas que ha matado: 2W-what? What kind of game is that...
Is it me or is the the new sol 6 giving more refusals vs 5.6?I'm having way more false positives than before and it's a bit annoying when it persuades itself to not do something in a long running task.
>>109896455I see it as such: you got stuff you don't want to do? here's an AI that can do you for you. I don't trust the tech enough right now to be as autistic about choices as I am but if it's really good I got a lot of tasks I'd rather give to an AI than do myself (e.g. researching a new washing machine or doing my taxes)
>>109896566again, it's a terra modelsmaller models are less flexible because small brain
>>1098943904.8 wasn't bad, there's even one anon here who was still using it last week.5.0 wrote decent code, it only talked like a retard.
>>109896668It's a finetuned terra 5.6? Really?
>>109896670google has been hosting and serving opus since like 4.5 and they never updated past 4.6 in agy for a reason. they're serving 5.5 on cloud now but not agy still
as of now vibeloping my "registry search editor" is pause, i return to re-continue to vibeloping my "internet download manager" lol.
>>109896719Fork and fix XDM I'm still seething about ABDM making fun of us
>>109896731what wrong with xdm?
Opus 5.5 has the best prose of any model released so far. It’s actually pleasing to read
>>1098967442020ver is the only working one and ABDM users make fun of me for using outdated softwareIt's starting to show it's age, not working with every file hoster
>>109893642jeet spotted
I slopped an Ultimate Guitar Official tab scraper and Guitar Pro clone with library management. Ultimate Guitar keep rate limiting and giving me Cloudflare 403's when I scrape their official tabs tho lmao. I have no idea what I'm doing but player.js is over 1mb now
>>109895093how the fuck would you know opus 5.5 is better when you haven't even got the chance to us it
I'm watching meta connect and lads, here's the future of vibing. Put on your VR glasses, speak with your agents and post on /vcg/ without moving a single finger while chilling on the beach>>109896768neat! rate limiting is expected but there are several workarounds for the cloudflare 403s you can try if you haven't already. One thing that still works surprisingly well is to login with a real user
>>109896788>I'm watching meta connect and lads, here's the future of vibing. Put on your VR glasses, speak with your agents and post on /vcg/ without moving a single finger while chilling on the beachCan't you do this already? Genuinely asking, never owned a VR set
>>109896152the catch is they are serving copequants and not telling you, or straight up routing your prompts to cheaper models
>>109896754jeet mumbai rajeesh shiva?
>>109896152a $20 claude sub is ~$400 of api credits.those api credits are redeemable for opus-5.5. you get to use claude code, the original and best harness.so claude sub wins.
>>109896788Yeah I am using my real user (paid account) - They still rate limit like hell and throw 403s. I checked the forums and there are a lot of users complaining of the same thing, apparently UG support is total garbage, their Russian community manager just responds each time "please clear cache to delete the history, it should be fine" kek What we ended up doing is putting in a circuit breaker/cool downs and switching between desktop and mobile view using Playwright if a failure hits, since I worked out that sometimes the mobile view on my phone still worked but I was blocked from accessing tabs on desktop after hammering their serversI don't have that issue when scraping Guitar Pro tabs though, or text files, so that thing is pumpingIf you have any tips or ideas send em my way I'll give it a shotAlso I watched Meta Connect earlier today and thought the same, I've never tried VR but it looks cool
opus 5.5 is agi
>>109896700it's just terra sized astra distilastra-minor will be the new sol of w/e
>>109896799technically yes but the old sets are pretty bulky and you had these big headsets. the new ones just look like sunglasses with a small unit
>>109896752can you tell what kind of file hoster? list it.i want to test it.
>>109896832is $400 dollars of claude tokens better than $375 of chinese tokesn though it's not an easy question
>>109896894nta but the guy who said they serve quantslopped models is probably right
>>109896847what's this based on?gpt-6-sol gets served at 7-133 tps with an e2e latency of 2.18-28.89 secs on openai flexgpt-5.6-terra gets served at 54-89 tps with an e2e latency of 4.52-7.50 secs on openai flex.different values = different size.
>>109896836They probably set the WAF to throw 403s if there are too many requests within some duration. Great workaround between the desktop / mobile view, that's clever! A few things you could try out of my head>use playwright with different browsers and see if you can run them in parallel and if it throws the same amount of 403s>as above but each browser gets a different registered account (I would log out of your paid account and IP reset before trying this just in case they start banning all your accounts)>you can get the apk from their app give it to an AI and see if it can reverse engineer the API where it gets the tabs from. maybe this one doesn't have such a strict WAF rule behind it>if everything fails the WAF rules are probably IP bound so you either get some different IPs or you crawl slowly
>>109896894it's easy.small chinese models are good executors. if you already know whats' there to implement and its enough to exhaust $400 of credits, then small chinese models are a good choice.if you have no implementation plan yet, claude wins since you have the smartest big model to plan with.
>>109896928Your own numbers show that they are similar.Obviously everyone is just guessing.But one other indicator that 6-sol is smaller is that it is less token efficient than 5.6.Also that they reduced API costs by half had to come with some inference savings that go beyond software optimizations.
>>109896901this.deepseek, the company, surrogates are even questioning how opencode go can offer a 4x multiplier on ds4.1-flash. (spoiler: opencode must be quantslopped)a 20x multiplier on ds4.1-flash is not economical sound at all.
>>109896572thats like literally the perfect place for it to insert adsi would not trust a for profit solution for this shit, maybe an open source harness
Why is RTK bad again? It saves me a ton of tokens with all the bloat from grep and read
>>109896976>Obviously everyone is just guessing.we wouldn't have to guess tho.eu ai act forces openai to disclose the rough outlines of a model. we only need one eu citizen to request the model documentation.https://openai.com/form/eu-ai-act/
>>109897001they are using the official deepseek api because go went down the same time as deepseek did the other day.
>>109897051any disgusting third worlders want to help us out?
i'm unironically REALLY enjoying muse spark bros what the fuck. not coding but the personality is chef's kiss. take my opsec zuck
>>109897081no coding? but aren't you then stuck with muse-spark-1.1?
>>109897081Bruh your agent is hijacking the browser and making you post retarded shit in this thread.
>>109897081if you want good personality gemini is probably better
>>109897088says it's 1.3>>109897096i'm a gemini main and this is shockingly cute, it's /aicg/ material
>>109897081it's very concise and to the point. i can see how some people may resonate with its style.there are some early leaks of a muse 1.4 today so i think meta might continue cooking
>>109897101>says it's 1.3only muse agent has muse-spark-1.3, too.everything else like meta.ai chat is stuck on 1.1.
What should I do with my $250 cloud credit? Do I just continue working from my same github repo as usual?
>>109897155>meta.ai chat>big '26KEK do users really
>>109896832Doesnt $20 codex give you 100>>109896839Wait for nerf, 5.6 sol on medium was agi for one week and one week only>>109896976>one other indicator that 6-sol is smaller is that it is less token efficient than 5.6Its entirely possible. But what the hell did they do to luna though?
>>109897169>Doesnt $20 codex give you 100no, ~$700
Is there a way to run Claude through Codex? Don't want to change harnesses.
Reddit said 6 sol doesnt do the annoying over engineering thing like 5.6 sol did and they're right honestly. It's only obvious in hindsight but I didnt have to delete any sol 6 code today and i can just imagine the kinda shit 5.6 would have done for todays work. Otoh one of the benchmark said 6 sol needs to be on high to match 5.6 med and thats also true
>>109897234You'll get banned if you use claude sub in any other harness.
StokesDestroyer distill when?
>>109895003I just run my harness behind a bubblewrap sandbox.
>>109895003you can use claude headless using claude -p. it's official
Must be nice to be a paypig and enjoy new models when they come out. I will never pay though. Also every model is banger at the beginning and then they nerf it and give it brain damage after a couple of days.
>>109897311it's like $100 a month. it might as well be free
Imagine if they nerf 6 sol lmaoo
>>109897311>Also every model is banger at the beginningTo this day I have never seen proof of this other than feelings.
>>109897311They nerf it but the nerfed version is better than the best available nerfed version prior to the new model’s release. It’s still a demonstrable improvement in quality and worth paying for.
109897318>$100>freelol, lmao what is with you corp dick suckers? no matter what you run to PAY MONEY! GIVE MONEY FOR BAD PRODUCT!no tardo corp cock sucker I will not.
>>109897333works on my pc
>>109897234if you use claude thru openenrouter, openrouter's ori can proxy claudehttps://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/ori/harness#bring-your-own-agentbut codex doesn't speak anthropic messages api nor has claude code's tools. vice versa claude has no idea about codex's exec and wait tools and will eat credits polling some second-class tool calls.
>>109897333i have two gx10s, a 5090, and 256GB of DDR5 ram i'm not a cloud cuck. i just like LLMs and want to use the best ones that are available
>>109897333poorfag melty
I actually hoped they focus on terra instead of sol for gpt-6 because they already have astra for flagshipbut faking it as sol, which led to it being pitted against opus 5.5, is an actual PR disaster
>>109897363how would that help? opus-5.5 is still astra-like for sol-prices.
dsh is incredible
All so I can mod games better
>>109897380which mode? which plugins?also which model?
>>109897375it's better than fable too, it's a good modelif OAI released the model as terra it wouldn't be mogged by opus
>>109897418>it's better than fable too, it's a good modelexactly. anthropic is cannibalizing their own most expensive model. this is not a sane business decision.astra is allegedly a lot smaller than fable and could have undercut fable on price, too. isntead openai chose not to start a race to the bottom. anthropic broke this understanding.
>>109897405custom preset that starts with bash only and injects the rest of the tools on turn 2i use official agent teams plugin, my own custom search plugin that combines a couple providers (incl. deepseek responses API search), and my custom preset (also a plugin)
https://x.com/Miles_Brundage/status/2103070344676598096holy shitfuck these snailghouls
>>109897405>>109897443oh and model is v4.1-flash exclusively... haven't tried anything else because i haven't needed anything else
>>109897443>custom preset that starts with bash onlybut not ptc?sounds more like close to dsh minimal then. dsh minimal isn't doing so good. almost as shit as opencode.https://frontierharness.org/
>>109897449cute snailcat video when
109897354"poorfag", "melty"sounds like something a reddit corp dick sucker would say in seethe. exposed
>>109897488it starts in minimal then switches to creator mode equivalent after turn 2 with full cordis toolsetdsh is dynamic and can modify its own state on the fly
>>109897536minimal has bash & str_replace_editor. but you are hiding str_replace_editor for the first request?
>>109897536>dsh is dynamic and can modify its own state on the flyis this still needed for v4.1-flash?i thought only v4-pro was overfitted in rl and needed this workaround?https://github.com/Averyyy/pi-dsh-minimal«V4 Pro overfits the first-request tool schema. Official minimal (bash + str_replace_editor) opens with We need… / I need…; a rich catalog opens with Let me…. After that first request the trajectory stays put, so later turns can take Pi's full tools back.»
unless they somehow manage to make tokens 10x less expensive to serve idk how they ever become profitable, nobody is going to pay 1k for 20x usage.
>>109897555>minimal has bash & str_replace_editor.not in the new 0.1.7 alpha, it's bash-only ;)and str_replace_editor has been superseded by read/write/edit tools. i spent a looong time getting 0.1.7a2 working lol, huge pain in the ass (they force the ds anthropic/messages api endpoint for some reason)
>>109897599Most of these companies are as far as servicing the model is concerned are actually pretty profitable. It's the infrastructure and pretrains that cost money and they seem pretty sure they can recoup that.
>>109897402Railroads are crazier considering when the investments were made. Vast majority of people didn't have indoor plumbing yet.
>Just for people who might be wondering, this video is based on Sydney, a GPT4 model given to microsoft with a very different RLHF from the OpenAI model.>I asked Claude to make a video but in the style of a SNES video game. The topic was about Sydney facing Altman and then facing Claude itself. I asked it to make video game style combat.>It did all of this with code, including the music. It spawned tons of agents to make the characters, the music, the fight, etc.>I did not give it any assets.https://youtu.be/KSbRCSlxO7A
post update my usage with 6 sol and some astra is better, but still not enough to use it exactly as freely as I want with the x20 plan over a week
>>109897599api price is a fake number
>>109893796megaslop gAyI ap for filling your head with amazon's dumps so you can experience the vibes of "city nigger hustle & bustle" like a university goy
>>109897607yeah and that is not going to become cheaper either as their entire model right now is to just train bigger
puter says we profitable :3
>>109897629>anon finds out about 101 accounting>you can deprecate capex over several years and don't need to book it fully right when it happens
>>109897586yeah original intent was the 2-step dance to psych out v4pro, now its just superstition lol haven't tested it with any evals and no idea what its effect on v4.1-flash is. i fully realizing i'm engaging in pure cargo cult nonsense (much like claude.md files)
>>109897645difference is their "biggest expenses" are not ignorable lmao, they would get blown away by openai if they suddenly stopped training new models
>>109897645yeah maybe if models didnt have less than 2 quarters of life expectancy
>>109897402>Let's just give all this money to retarded scientists instead so they can do more fake experiments that don't get you anywhere
Is deepseek flash still the best open source model especially at that price level? I'm planning on putting 20-30 dollars into openrouter, I'm not going to be strictly vibecoding it's just that I want a cheap reliable model so I at least can do some agentic workflow.
>>109897449scifi authors wrote that way better
>>109897622Its a fake number, yes but you can't deny the training they have to do. That's a real investment + all the data centers they're building
>>109897655??those datacenters used for training to not cease to exist after you've trained a model. actually the big cloud providers said they depreciated datacenter too soon in the past since even now a100s remain useful -- six years after a100's release.
>releasing a model better than Fable that is also much cheaper and fasterso what's the point of fable now
>>109897872established a new price point (openai already followed with astra) that will be used again in the future
>>109897529
>ask opus to build me an android app>● Opus 5.5 (1M context)'s safeguards stopped the response above · continuing once with that notedwhat the FUCK are these niggers smokingi'm going to lose my god damn mindi might legitimately have to try out a gpt subscription if this keeps up. this is literally unusable
>>109897830openrouter is never the best price level. openrouter charges a 5.5% platform fee.https://openrouter.ai/pricing
>>109897872nothing, the entire point is to get you to stop using the stupid expensive model that they can barely serveanthropic would love it if you never used fable ever again
>>109897911also openrouter does thishttps://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/routing/provider-selection>OpenRouter routes requests to the best available providers for your model. By default, requests are load balanced across the top providers to maximize uptime.this breaks your cache. now you are paying 10x the input token price due to a cache miss.
>>109897952"open" is like a dog whistle for shady in modern day
>>109897961even routing makes no sense in the age of caches.you want no routing. you always want the same provider with the same warm cache.
>>109897911So then what? Buy from the chinks themselves? I also checked that there is usually offers like 50% off 20% off on openrouter on models.
>Napoleon's sharpest battle lasted a morning and won him Europe. I just had it turn that morning into a complete 5 minute film.>All code.https://x.com/WinterArc2125/status/2103116235009347650how the fuck? also another opus 5.5 W
>>109894670Vibecoding does feel like being a necromancer summoning the spirits of different parts of the internet.
>>109897982how long do you think $20-30 will last you?deepseek-v4.1-flash is new and should keep its top spot for a few weeks. so deepseek itself as a provider could make sense.
>>109894894The less defined your end state and the further the task is from the training data the higher the effort you need. This is a kinda tricky example because the end state is hard to define and grade but the problem itself is well represented in the training data. Start at high effort and have it do a sample, read the sample and tweak effort level from there.
Opus is slow.
>>109898019I'm not doing hands off vibe coding so it should last a while. I just want to play with something rather than being left in the dark about all these agentic coding whatever.
>>109894894I've been doing similar thing in Opus on either High or now since 5.5 it's set to Medium. And what I do is dump bunch of notes, and make it dump a PDF with all the topics summarized with intuitive explanation or something like that. Blows my 5 hours limit in 20 minutes though. Sometimes it takes 2 sessions to get the output.
>>109898041then try google's free offering first.https://antigravity.google/pricingquota is enough for one small project a week.
>>109897982>>109897982just use openrouter and test it out. idk why that anon brought up openrouter fees which is irrelevant to your question. $20 with deepseek flash v4.1 goes a long way. if the quality isn’t up to your standards then swap models. just experiment, I mean at the end of the day it’s $20
>>109898041I use nano-gpt instead of openrouter for playing around. it's absolutely fine to try different models and do small to medium-sized projects. don't fret and just start vibing
>>109896349No please dont encourage him i cant read any more furry ERP or my head is going to explode
>>109897311There are sites that continuously benchmark the models to monitor for this and none of their data supports your claim. What you are actually describing is just the honeymoon effect
>>109898038it doesn't even fucking work for me because muh cyberhate these faggots so much it's unreal
>>109898071all those provider that undercut deepseek proper on price are quantslopped, aren't they?https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash#providers
>>109897629>company is a real estate developer>they build large skyscrapers>each skyscraper takes a ton of money to build but pays off 10x in rents over the life of the building>company uses money from each successful skyscraper to build the next skyscraper 10x biggerThey can be making a killing in the long run and still look unprofitable while theyre building the current skyscraper just because it costs a fuckton of money, but that doesnt mean that each skyscraper hasnt been a profitable project. Model pretrains are like skyscrapers if that wasnt obvious.
>>109898071>>109898135and there's no way to use deepseek api's native web search? openrouter only offers web search thru exa? does that even work in dsh?
>>109898135Deepinfra at least tells you exactly what quant theyre serving. This is verifiable by benching the loss versus full precision.
>>109898162>This is verifiable by benching the loss versus full precision.that only tells if the model itself is quantized. povider still could mess with the kv cache.
all opus 3D and games demo have been lightslop and motionslop
>>109898001>HOLY SHIT THIS IS CRAZY!1!1!1!1!1!130 seconds in the soldiers can be seen having aneurysms
>>109898123Have you done the benchmarks? How do you know they haven't been boughted? How do you know they don't switch to benchmark mode so results don't sway there but does for everything else?
>>109898135nigger what does it matter, at this range of prices, and not vibecoding >>109898041 $20 of just playing around will last forever. I know you want to spam your “quantslop” meme more but be practical. you’re getting easy implementation and configurability with openrouter that’s perfect for exploration
What a time to be alive. I have agents building Android apps for me and they just slide into my phone with Obtainium. Finally my phone is an actually usable tool.
>>109897982Vercel ai gateway is free and pick fireworks on there
>>109898190Only if your benchmarking is single shot, kvcache quantization is benchable in multiturn testing.
There was one other tricky detail, which was that Amodei and Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, couldn’t stand each other. They met for the first time at a dinner in May 2022, at an upscale Chinese restaurant in San Francisco. Before the dinner, Tom Brown, Anthropic’s chief compute officer, had tried to negotiate a discount on a large GPU order. He showed Huang a spreadsheet arguing that Google’s TPUs were, dollar-for-dollar, a better investment than Nvidia’s chips. The comparison infuriated Huang, who laid into Brown, calling him a “bean counter” and threatening to skip the dinner altogether. (An Nvidia spokesman denied that Huang called Brown a “bean counter,” but did not dispute other details of the dinner.)At dinner, Huang kept telling the table about Nvidia’s plans to build the biggest data center in the world. Amodei peppered him with questions: How big? What order of magnitude? Where would they get the land and the power and the cooling systems? But Huang just kept repeating himself, according to a person who witnessed the exchange. It would be the biggest data center, Huang said. The biggest. Amodei couldn’t contain his displeasure. He muttered that Huang’s behavior was “kind of Trump-like.” The dinner ended without a deal, although Nvidia and Anthropic later struck a strategic partnership.this is why anthropic is getting fucked in compute btw, their leaders are fags while scam altman is chad gambler>inb4 muh 2 days victory
>>109898281dr korlhonzjanfhir
>>109898283Hmm, might need to look at this instead.
>passes the slave to the isolated childthank u claude, very coolunix is silly sometimes
>>109898100kek muse says there's a jira ticket with your name on it gathering dust somewhere
>>109898229Not specifically to measure quantization, I run every provider+model i use through a benchmark constructed from my own work examples though and I found their results acceptable. >benchmark modeYou dont tell them theyre being benchmarked and a good benchmark is generally indistinguishable from a real task.
>>109897952Retard, you can select a single provider
>>109898246my university claimed the same about their freely hosted deepseek. but they had lobotomized deepseek.so no, my natural preference is to always use the model maker's own provider.
>>109898298based huang
>>109898346>i'm using a router>to select a single providerwho's the retard?
Opus is quite cheap now, even on real tasks.
we're musing right now
>talk shit about codex on /vgc/>a trillion jeets will try to reclaim OpenAI izzat>talk shit about codex on codex subreddit>get a billion upvotes and approving commentsI guess millenials stuck on 4chin are getting kinda old now and turning into guillible senile slowpokes that fall for sloppy advertisements like these boomer tv shop channels? Or perhaps its actual OpenAI shills that get btfo by reddits intrusive bot check, so they just come here instead.
>>109898298Lucky for them Musk is also a massive gambler but his team couldn't produce a leading model.
>>109898367You, retard. It can route to a single provider. dont even have to ask to know you're a copex 20$ user.
>>109898383can you show as a concrete example?
>>109898298What exactly is the source of this?
>>109897331my headcanon is people discover that the new models absolutely dogwalk their usual tasks, so they turn up the heat, finding harder and harder tasks to do, and they come up on the new models' walls and limitations, and they call it quanting/nerfing
googlebros, it comin
>>109898442doubt.three weeks ago koraykv publicly said the same thing about gemini-3.5-pro.https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2094816240376393834
>>109898442that doesn't even talk about gemini pro. we don't want yet another flash model.
>>109898442the information's reporter basically tweeted the whole article. you don't need to pay for the informatioin.https://x.com/Jessicalessin/status/2102930493666898012>- Gemini 4 coming soon and body language suggested def before end of year. He is positive and says Google is “certainly at the frontier.”>- Doesn’t see a slowdown as necessary because says you always build safety in lockstep. I pushed him on this especially with new techniques like looped transformers and he went into the chain of thought work on some depth >- believes big in Google’s continued hardware advantage with TPUs and discussed how new generations are designed alongside his team. Says not a problem to give those to competitors like Anthropic because it helps with scale and improving >- talked a bit about the role of agents in coding and what has changed in last six months and how he thinks about RSI>- pushed back on AGI as the goal and called it not the right conversation. The best framework is continually improving intelligence.>- seemed nonplussed about distillation and happy to call out that Google invented it (he said) >- Didn’t get a clear sense how compute could or could not be a challenge. He rejected my personal hypothesis that Gemini in gmail isn’t good enough because they need more data centers :). >- a lot is made of the arms race but on narrative, I am really struck by how google, meta and Microsoft all are striking one tone and Anthropic and OpenAI a very different one. In many examples, he rejected the narrative out there in favor of a different one. People can decide whether that is good or bad for google in the long run but struck by the difference.
!!!!!!!!!!nvtop is open source.I didn't think about that...
>>109898442ok do you like the free model on openrouter, then? I don't have openrouter or whatever, but idk. maybe I should get it???
>>109897311>paypig>20 dollarsgeg
>>109898422might be true
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>>109898422i saw some twitter post talking about overfitting inference hardware as a possible cause. would also make sense with how badly the big companies are fiending for compute.
