Horrible piece of shit with god awful UXThe moment you try to use federation it lags so hard your session locks up for HOURS
Haven't had that problem before.Maybe your home server is just shit?Try using midov
>>109903017I don't want to use pedov
>>109903048Midov is pedo free except for the exceptions you have in every homeserver. Because the owner of the server can't see tf people are doing.
>>109902931We need to kill Matrix and replace it with a brand new federated messenger.
>>109902931Faster Room Joins was supposed to solve this, but it was excluded from the Matrix 2.0 initiative
>>109902931>UXmatrix is a protocol
>>109903851Armada just werkshttps://soapbox.pub/armada
>>109906287>AI slop
>>109906298werks on my machine
>>109902931>(((matrix)))>created by (((amdocs)))Oy vey
>>109902931>with god awful UXThe UX is a filter. Discord or Teams seem more your speed, champ. Matrix is not for you. :^)
>>109906362Shut it down.>>109906712Use a different client bruh. You used Element didn't you?
>>109906725I use whatever is most obtuse and complicated. Got to keep my mind strong! :^)
>>109906712>The UX is a filterNot really.
>>109906725>Elementsucks ass
>>109902931They prioritized features over polish, to their detriment. Look at Bluesky. Bluesky had most of the important features that it needed, with very good polish, and slapped placeholders where needed. Matthew in one of those live chats mentioned that he should have prioritized polish over everything else, like Bluesky did, while working towards getting to the perfect protocol.
>>109902931Ask AI to fix it, unironically
>>109907317>wokesky>very good polishgr8 b8 m8
>>109907381The userbase may be retarded, but the app is very nice.
I still don't understand how they managed to write an HTTP server that for the longest time couldn't scale horizontally. It doesn't even use WebSockets
>>109903017>>109903048>>109903655Block midov usersBan midov usersDon't respond to midov users
>>109907562?
>>109907321good morning sir
>>109909025Good morning, have a nice day :-)
>>109909059:^)
I sleep until any of the nu-messengers implement the most important feature of messengers that is searching historical messages (as deep as 10 years old at least)tele and discord have thismatrix and xmpp never will
>>109910344>searching historical messageusecase?
>>109902931the client is trash and only gets worse
>>109902931t. skill issue
>>109910535>t. skill issue
>>109906759I want to move my community away from the cancer that is Discord
>>109910344Locally or on the server? The server isn't gonna store messages older than 90 days
>>109903017>>109906725>welcome to the weekly matrix shill thread created by the jewish pedophiles that run matrix>>109910344matrix and xmpp are protocols, you poorly educated baboon. it's exactly like how you pedophiles think IRC is an app, because it turns out that deranged child molesters that use 4chan know nothing about any technology
>>109910408doxxing racist greek KDE developers
>>109902931yea bro just use xmpp, OK TRANNY
>>109911646lol
>>109910860just do it anon
>>109911823>xmppusecase?
>>109902931>The moment you try to use federation it lags so hard your session locks up for HOURSI XMPPected you'd have issues.Inferior software is like that.
>>109915843I believe Instant Messaging Protocols are often associated with the sending and receiving of instant messages, anon, if I'm not mistaken.
>>109911641lulwut
>>109907317kurwa nigga
>>109915880many such cases
>>109911641???
Element is so fucking bad that I'm unironically considering learning the skills needed to replace it.I thought that I could just give it some years and it would improve but I think it actually got worse over time. They introduced new bugs that have gone unfixed for years. Despite being the same product and codebase the mobile and desktop varients have different featuresets, and redundant ones at that.Why are there at least 4 different audio players in the same client each with different features.You can change playback speed on mobile but not on desktop. Voice messages have a spectrogram but audio files (even with the same codec+container) don't. And other bullshittery.Why are there 3 different ways to have a video call in the same client, again - each of which has different features that don't always overlap. So instead of just integrating the features into 1 of them you have to jump between 2 different ones for 2 different reason in the same client.What is this clown shit. Oh my fucking god.And you go to the issue tracker and it's all trans furries implementing features like spoiler text so they can considerately spoiler text related to self harm and other gay shit besides fixing fundamental problems. Like the fact starting the client can reprocess all of your read recipts. As in all of them. As in starting my chat client costs me 20+GB of RAM and 2 minutes to start because it's walking my entire history, which it needs because scrolling is broken and send me flying to a message I posted 2 years ago while the CPU spins at 100%.And so on, and so on. Jesus fucking Christ.And THIS is the best of the worst right now. That's our best option because nobody wants to use the older existing things that are already established and already worked. Like XMPP or anything else.Sending text messages to another person considered an impossible technical challenge in 2026.
>>109921502TRVTHNVKE
ΠΙΟΣ ΜΛΑΚΑΣ ΞΕΡΙ ΤΗ ΣΙΜΕΝΙ Η ΣΙΝΤΟΦΓΡΑΦΙΑ ΜΛΚ???
>>109921502Why did everyone stop using stuff like pidgin? it just worked. I guess AIM and Yahoo! Messenger dying off kinda killed it huh.
>>109921831I think it's the closed nature.MSN Messenger (and custom hacks/mods of it) is my personal favorite. It may as well be perfect. Maybe cosmetically it could be changed but the core is there. It does everything I need and in a reasonable amount of resources/responsiveness.Doesn't matter though because they shut down the service and the software is centralized+proprietary.Now there are open implementations of reverse engineered protocols, etc.But the problem with this kind of software in general, is that you aren't the only one that matters.It doesn't matter if I can use that if my friends don't.There's fragmentation that splinters out as services die or change and users continue to feel the burn each time it happens to them until they decide to not even jump ship to another service since they know it will happen again.Personal case in point, I liked Google's desktop chat client. Can't use it, dead service.I really liked this Japanese program I can't remember the name of that was like Nintendo's swapnote but it was much older. Worked great. Dead.On the other side, the open stuff tends to not be great. At least in my experience with XMPP.The proprietary software + extensions just tend to be better, and unfortunately not copied despite the fact you really could.This is true even for Matrix.It may or may not be the best protocol. But it's not the worst thing ever.Yet experiencing it is horrible because all the software is bad and/or has deviations in the comparability or even handling of extensions / message types.My experience with Pidgin and prior to that I used Trillian. Both were positive. But I strongly remember the frustration of Pidging technically supporting features but not being handled well or fully. Pretty much every feature at the time was like 25% of what it needed to be. But this was decades ago, so the situation may have changed.
>>109922027>My experience with Pidgin and prior to that I used Trillian. Both were positive. But I strongly remember the frustration of Pidging technically supporting features but not being handled well or fully.I remember this too, and Trillian. I know they both had their issues, I think I might be missing the more simple UI's more than anything. Something simple and clean that runs well is all I really want.
>>109922201Man Trillian was the shit at its time. Too bad it was propretary but to this day Pidgin still has not caught up to what Trillian could do back then.
>>109922213I looked to see what they're doing now, and it's just another slack clone. What a shame.
>>109922201>Trillianproprietary ꜱoyftware doe
>>109902931> A chatting protocol> Awful UXWhat did OP mean by this?
>>109923084listen little redditor, it's obvious if you pay attention. All the clients using that protocol have awful UX. Understand?
>>109923084think again
>>109921768?
>>109922317yeah sadly
StopDon't use element god damnit.Use next.sable.moe or fucking commet.chat
>>109927259>Use next.sable.moe or fucking commet.chatUsecase?
>federationGood thing it works just fine if you don't care about that particular feature.
>>109928942How so? Like email?
>>109910429many such cases
>>109921502>which it needs because scrolling is broken and send me flying to a message I posted 2 years ago while the CPU spins at 100%.That sucks.
>>109922027>MSN Messengerfeels old man
>>109928926Okay the element devs have decided they wanna be like iMessageSable and commet decided to continue down actual good stuff like ts/mumble looking voice channels and custom emotes, sticker packs, gifs, screensharing and watch party widgets and not waste time on features like location sharing. That element has been working on for the past 10 years.
>>109902931I really tried to get people to use this years ago, but it was just far too clunky to be viable for normies, or even autists.
>>109907440Didn't they just literally copy twitter and ban people that disagree with their viewpoints?
>>109933086Yes. Also it's kinda dying.https://bluefacts.app/bluesky-user-growth?t=3m
>>109933252I kinda hate how everyone says things are dead or dying just because they're not growing.My friend circle changes infrequently. I only need like 30 people max to use the website, I don't need 30 new people to join or post each day.People do the same thing with software. As if stable is synonymous with dead.Not trying to argue with you or on that specifically since I do see their numbers are declining, but in general I just hate seeing that black and white, alive or dead king of dichotomy on every site, service, product, etc.Thank you for reading my vent blog.
>>109933418Twitter and twitter clones are not for you and your friends, that's what facebook is for. Twitter is for getting random people to see your dumb takes.
>>109933747That's what people use it for but I really don't think that's what it was originally supposed to be.Same with 4chan.Some people pretend that 4chan is a game to play not a place to discuss.Sure you can do that, and most seem to, but that's not the point. And thankfully you get to choose.I don't engage with bad 4chan pasts.If I used Twitter I wouldn't follow or interact with strangers. Social networks let you chose how wide a net you wish to cast.Another rant from me.
>>109933418>I kinda hate how everyone says things are dead or dying just because they're not growing.There's no need for coping, anon.
>>109934368I wish it were so
>>109933771it was retard. you had trends and hashtags and the search was a huge feature. why would you *micro*blog to close friends even?
>>109934728Because that's what I was doing before Twitter exited and it's what I do after Twitter existed.The fuck do you even mean. What do you think a friend circle is even for if not to engage with them.
>>109934749I forgot I was speaking in 2026 when the average twittard's attention span is already shot.well it's not like you had anything interesting to say past 140 chars either way
>>109934753I think you interpreted that backwards. The question is whether you did it on purpose or not.Ironic too considering the posts and your intentions lol
>>109934753 (me)wait no you're just stupid. you thought I was talking about blogging in general.
>>109934755I am talking to a brick wall
>>109934756No, it includes both. Blogging and "microblogging". I only care if my friends read my blog, same with how I use group chats today. Just because you put a marketing term on it doesn't change what is fundamentally a post from me, intended for few, anyone else is welcome to see it but they're irrelevant. Most of my friends don't agree with the last part and would rather all that stuff stay private to the group.
>>109934768idgaf about your friends retard. fuck off. you are too stupid to engage with
>>109934767By choice. Now maybe you understand why I don't think its fun to engage with strangers. You don't like doing it, and neither do I. So we're in agreement. Which is what I assumed from the start given your indirect response that's so common these days.
>>109934774>you are too stupid to engage withAnd yet its what you desire. Engagement, from me, the stupid. My reply, significant to you. Fleeting attention from someone you don't know but pretend to hate. Mentally unwell is the assumption to draw.
>>109934775it's nice that you got for yourself a bunch of low iq retards with the ability to stoop to your level and get what you mean, sweetie.
>>109934782What's nice about it? It sounds like you don't like that.
>>109934780no, chance has a captcha solver option now and I'm just making full use of it for the novelty.
>>109934787I don't know what that means. How does no captcha change what was posted? Or anything for that matter.
>>109934785I like it actually. hope you'd stay in your containment group the next time you think to venture out into the real world
>>109934794stop posting like you're the eliza chatbot, retard. go ask your digital "friends"
>>109934795I guess the question is /what/ do you like about it?I already gave my perspective. What's yours?
>>109934803>eliza chatbotContext? I'm not familiar.>go ask your digital "friends"I was just talking to one.What do you mean?I'm talking to you now because it looks like you're goading. Which means I assume you need someone to talk to. If you want me to leave you alone I'll go make dinner. If you wanna chit chat, I'll be around for a few minutes and probably later.
>>109922027Someone made a server replacement for msn messenger that also works with ICQ if I remember right.
>>109934768>microblogginggay bullshit
>>109902931werkz fine for me, dont use your 20 year old pc for your homelab.
>>109902931use https://github.com/element-hq/ess-helm to selfhost it. Goyim are too dumb to setup it themselves.
>>109935798I agree if you mean the term.I disagree if you mean sending a paragraph or 2 to multiple people. That's what most of this website is too.
>>109935863>werkz fine for mewrong
>>109934767meds
>>109938614you lost
>>109903655Bullshit. Midov is the 1# Matrix instance where all pedophiles go, perhaps the gay furry pedophile who owns both ‘.vg’ and ‘.cf’ domains that explicitly displays his username alongside with the Midov links on his sites in plain sight doesn’t ring a bell>>109907596tsmt
>>109938622(You) lost
>>109934824>Someone made a server replacement for msn messengerWhere?
if only jami could get its shit together with the chat sync issues
>>109902931Never had that issue ever. If you said you have message decryption errors it would at least be believable.
Best:Discord, not even lying. Just works. That's how it goes.Most freedom:XMPP. There's a 'foundation' but it's all by consensus and it's an open protocol anyone can develop for, but no group-chat or screensharing, and the devs don't really consider it a priority, so don't keep your hopes up.Somewhere in between:Matrix, VC money and could become just as corpo as Discord one day... but not for now.I don't need Federaton:Jitsi, Fluxer, Stoat. You have more options if it's just 'you and the boys'.Pointless Tier:Delta - Just XMPP but worse, uses relays, easier for normies, tho.SimpleX - Just XMPP but worseBriar - Just XMPP but worseWire - Just XMP but worseTimeless Tier:IRC - just worksIf I didn't mention it, it isn't worth mentioning.
>>109941985>VC money and could become just as corpo as Discord one dayInsanely retarded. Matrix is a protocol, like XMPP. Kill yourself.
>>109941996lol, sure bud, like how most accounts aren't centralized on matrix.org.It's also buggy trash, even the rewrites like tuwunnel and continuwuity. They all suck. XMPP can run on half of a pi zero in a dank basement.
>>109942029yeah, I'm sure the protocol maintainers who are only relevant because it's discord for schizos will get rid of the decentralization so that no one had any reason to use it. You should start a business, sounds like you have a lot of acumen (cum men, you're a faggot).
XMPP was a failure out of the gate because Google was the largest instance and everyone used it then they stopped federating.
>>109941901It was mentioned on hackernews and am too retarded to find it again but it might have been this one.https://github.com/Sabanusi-3/lingua-franca-messengerAnd I guess AIM/ICQ was a seperate project maybe?https://github.com/mk6i/open-oscar-server
>>109942163capitalists, can only think about business ahead of connecting users for the sake of software freedom, no wonder you don't understand XMPP. People like you deserve Matrix and Discord.
>>109940916dumbass /v/brown with the piss poor ai comback>>>/ai/
>>109943374no u
>>109944108who are you?
>>109929206Huh?
>>109944752Your father, son.
>>109941985https://discord-alternative-tracker.pages.dev
>>109902931Okay. Don't use it then or make an alternative front end or entire alternative or something.
>>109928942matrix federation sucks ass
>>109928942Did they ever fix federated room previews? I like seeing into a room before joining it, cause it takes forever to join sometimes and oftentimes a room is completely dead.
>>109949358>Did they ever fix federated room previews?No.
who using irc?
>>109950875me
>>109948205very nice
>>109941913>jami?
>>109956048https://jami.net
I feel IRC could be made nice with just the server configuration>your ip address is never, ever, ever leaked to everyone>you get last 50 messages you missed when joining the channel>if someone sends you the message while you're offline, you receive it when you become online (i mean normal direct message not retarded memo system)>channels are archived with search (like catirclogs.org does)
>>109958131IRC is just simple and it just werks
>>109959678no it doesn'thaving to host a bouncer is retarded
>>109939073>Bullshit. Midov is the 1# Matrix instance where all pedophiles go, perhaps the gay furry pedophile who owns both ‘.vg’ and ‘.cf’ domains that explicitly displays his username alongside with the Midov links on his sites in plain sight doesn’t ring a bellYou need to take ur meds
>>109958061nice
>>109960780nice coping
>>109950875my friends
>>109941985Fluxer wasn't too bad to set up. Unfortunately it'll exist as a backup for if/when discord fucks up bad enough that the normies give a shit and want something better. I do wish > Unlimited file size upload, to a point> Israel/Intel agencies don't get every message you send and every call you have> You're not feeding an AI dataWas enough for people to even try an alternative, but it's not.
>>109967676flucucker suckshttps://fluxer.app/help/regional-restrictions
>>109969775If you're using fluxer and not self-hosting it then what the fuck are you even doing?Thats only for their main server. Who gives a shit.
>>109959899>having to host a bouncer is retardedtrvke
>>109921502>Voice messages have a spectrogram but audio files (even with the same codec+container) don't.This one specifically is easy to make sense of.In a communication program, you'd expect users to communicate and exchange medias of comunication. While not limiting the exchange of other types of media, it makes a lot of sense to distinguish audio messages sent as part of a conversation and make them easy to play, whereas songs and other stuff have no reason to appear the same in the ui.
>>109942481Sadly
>>109949358>oftentimes a room is completely dead.The only active things on Matrix are various tech projects regarding Matrix and rooms you have to know someone to get invited into for trading CSAM, the rest of the protocol's community is a fucking wasteland of dead channels. /g/ can keep trying to meme irc, matrix or xmpp but it will never dislodge Discord because the network effect is too strong. There is no hope for any of these federated sideshows because no casual people will use them.
>>109902931This reads like a bait, but it's true. One offline server was enough to hang my entire client. I had to purge application data and create a new account.
>>109975372not a bait doematrix just sucks like that
>>109902931>Horrible piece of shit with god awful UXUse a different interface? There are a million and one different clients.>The moment you try to use federation it lags so hard your session locks up for HOURSLiterally skill issueOP, please find a newspaper, open to the puzzles section, and do sudoku.
>>109903017>midov posterholy fucking glowie shillliterally braindead gorilla-headed retarded
>>109977835meds
>>109977428>Use a different interface?Such as?
>>109969775>>109969919>We use IP geolocation to estimate your country and region when you connectSo much privacy
>>109978141midov is used by pedo freaks + it's run by glowies
>>109980695Proofs?
>>109981700Nice try, fed.
what exactly is this "midov"?
>>109973307nah, just have a good audio player. That solves it for audio in general. Make it an option if you want to include both, then the user can select.There's no reason for them to be arbitrarily fragmented in terms of features.Things like the graph seem to only benefit both voice and music since it widens the seek bar and gives context to the position of audio. I don't see a downside. Likewise with adding the features from mobile like playback speed. Why not? Even if you bury it in the context menu or somewhere else, what's the harm in allowing music to be played back at 2x like voice can, why is that only a voice option on mobile and not desktop anyway. This is way too fragmented.
>>109981756matrix server
>>109950875a lot of people actually
>>109981756>(((them)))
>>109981756Pedo server. Dewrito has been blocking them from on their homeserver. They said they saw horrible pedo things on midov. They said loli is just the gateway every midov account they've investigated starts off with loli rooms they join and about a couple moments later the account is joining a ton of pedo rooms and they see the unencrypted masseges from the account soliciting bad things. They've got a total media block on midov right now over on dewrito.
>>109989089>Dewrito?
>>109985960No one.
>>109958131>channels are archived with searchNah broThis is the thing chat servers need to do AWAY with. I'm tired of this bullshit about wanting to go back and search someone's last 6 years of chat history to find dirt on them to disagree with or harvest for microscopic amounts of data to aggregate to deanonymize them.If you weren't there for the conversation, you missed it bro. If it was funny enough someone will give you a recap.
Usecase for good UX?
>>109905648the protocol is nothing without clients
Imagine how much better things would be if all those billions were spent on stoat or fluxer.
>>109906287>javaslop
>>109994903Waste of money. Both suck ass.
>>109996865How?
>>109994554Adoption.
for fuck's sake let this dogshit thread die already
>>110000741holy matrixfag seething
>>110000741We need a chat protocol general
>>109959899>having to host a bouncer is retardedchecked and holy based
>>109967676>You're not feeding an AI dataAnon, I...
>>110005786Not if I'm self hosting.
