you can easily run proton without steam with umu-launcher

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The best game this year has a native linux build

>>109927863
But why would you run any game without Steam?
You're not one of those Epig shills that sucks off Tim Swiney on the daily are you?

>>109927887
Soms people like to own their games and buy them on GOG, anon.

You can use Proton on non-steam games.
I fail to see the issue.

>>109927891
GOG games come with setup scripts / installers for that. You can literally just run them if they provide a native Linux build, otherwise just run it through Wine or Proton.

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>>109927863
Yep. Been playing Expedition 33 on Arch with no problems.

>>109927878
oh fuck yeah didn't expect to see this game mentioned here. it's amazing.

>>109927900
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>109927900
Post feet

I've been working on archiving some of my stuff while I think about swapping. What kind of performance loss am I looking at with my 5070ti? I think all of my MMOs just werk on linux now. Also Distro? Fedora?

>>109927863
https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher

>>109928016
>Also Distro? Fedora?
Fedora would be the optimal choice under normal circumstances, but you have an Nvidia card, so use Nobara, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches

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>everyone sleeping on tuxkart
>everyone trying to play AAA slop
>anticheats fucking everyone
>drm fucking everyone
youre missing out. also i like hashi, its simple but it gets my neurons firing

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>>109927871
took me 3 minutes to set up, even sandboxed it properly from the homedir with flatseal
embrace the just werks bloat

>>109928030
What's the reason for that?

>>109928050
Installing Nvidia drivers can be really annoying, specially for someone new

>>109928050
Fedora is a fully FOSS distribution meaning they don't install any proprietary drivers like NVIDIA by default.

It will run off of Nouveau by default which is a free driver in Mesa.

Nobara, is sort of what like CachyOS is to Arch. They take Fedora and fix all the shit Red Hat can't be fucked to and also add in a few optimised tweaks of their own.

>>109928050
>>109928069
>>109928072
yes, because following a 3 step instruction (enable one repo, type one command, wait for it to complete) is so hard it's better to use a meme distro

>>109927863
I tried installing about 40 games through heroic launcher. Three wouldn’t launch at all, two needed steam’s proton instead of ge-proton, three needed some tweaking with winetricks.
So you have 75% that just werks, ~10% that need hotlinking steam, ~10% that needs tweaks and ~10% that won’t run without major effort or at all. For me that’s a sufficiently good track record to avoid microslop’s trash

>>109927887
zoomer alert

>>109928030
I have 5070 and the only issues on fedora is if rpm has a new driver but the flathub didn’t yet update their harness for it. Sharing gpu across virtualized desktop + host os also doesn’t work, but that’s nvidia consumer gpu limitation and not linux issue and who the fuck uses VMs anyways yall niggas just playing roblox and grooming miners

does Crimson Desert works without Steam?

>>109928099
>5070 & fedora
so strange. I recognize the words but feels alien in a sense

>>109928086
unlike on windows of course, where you have to find the website, fill in a form specifying your hardware and then download the exe. thats much better

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>>109928086
>Meme distro
It's literally made by the guy who made Proton GE who is himself an engineer at Red Hat. But sure, it's a meme. You should use its worse parent distro.

>>109928109
>a very popular gpu + a very popular linux distro?
>how odd

>>109928112
>But sure, it's a meme
Yes. So is bazzite and the like.

>>109928121
I see. So only Red Hat is allowed to make a distro. Everyone not named Red Hat is a meme. It doesn't matter even if they work at Red Hat, they're not Red Hat, they're a meme.

Understood.

>>109928119
think it's not possible for me to find it odd? last two gpus were AMD and I installed fedora once in a VM like 5 years ago, played around with it for like 2 hours and noped out of it

so for me it really is strange. don't hear about Fedora being used for gaming much. it's a corporate product from red hat. it's...bleh

>>109928130
Yes, small forks that don’t actually do much of anything useful are memes compared to the baseline distro. It takes 30 seconds to add and install nonfree nvidia drivers to fedora why in the world would you install a whole different distro just to avoid pasting two commands into the terminal??
You’ll want to learn how to do it anyway cause theres a lot of good shit in third party repos. Even basic bitch ffmpeg is in nonfree

>>109928141
Nobara does lots of useful things though, much more than just installing the fucking drivers you need for your hardware.

Yes, you can replicate everything it's doing but not in 30 seconds. You're overselling just how little time it takes for somebody new to set everything up.

Maybe if you've got a script you can

curl | sudo bash

it'll take 30 seconds.

>>109928134
>don't hear about Fedora being used for gaming much. it's a corporate product from red hat
nta but isn't fedora the most basic bitch distro that exists aside from steamos?
you have ubuntu or mint for old hardware and fedora for new hardware

>>109928156
>Nobara does lots of useful things though
like?

>>109928162
again, I have never ever used fedora because it was always a slimmed down version of a corporate product with their own rpm thingie, I never had a reason to.
started on debian and moved to arch, fedora just wasn't my vibe. cannot really explain why, I instinctively stay away from corporate product if I can help it. not sure why everyone thinks fedora is for "top computers" seems like corpo propaganda. most linux installs wikis have debian procedure, or debian + arch, and sometimes rarer have the rpm thing

>>109927863
You can game on Linux now

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>>109928156
I asked a clanker and all of those seem pretty basic to set up
I suppose there's no reason to not use it if you want a decent ootb experience but as another Fedora (KDE) nigga I did most of those with barely any effort, any non retarded /g/fag shouldn't struggle with those especially in an age where an LLM can handhold you reasonably well

>>109928168
>not sure why everyone thinks fedora is for "top computers" seems like corpo propaganda
fedora is a 'modern' distribution that removes a lot of old cruft. early gayland support, early support for fractional and multiple displays with different resolutions support, new version cooked twice a year. it's a better ootb experience if you have modern hardware compared to some grandpa-coded debian or mint

>>109928176
>I asked a clanker and all of those seem pretty basic to set up
Yes, none of it is difficult if you know what you're doing but we're talking a new user here. It'll take more than 30 seconds unless you already have that script you can quickly

curl | sudo bash

to set it all up for you.

The point is to save time, also it can sometimes be more stable than Fedora too because they work with snapshots of the Fedora repo that get synced once or twice a month and backport fixes to Mesa or the kernel, etc, immediately if they need to fix a regression, etc.

>>109927863
I exclusively game without Steam, I think it's super annoying.

>>109927863
Q: Do you like RTS games and rigue-likes?
If the answer is no, then Linux has no games for you.

>>109927887
Gog and open source games are way better. The only game I run in Steam is Trackmania.

>>109928110
>fill in a form specifying your hardware
you gotta stop making shit up, its a waste of time and only makes you look hysterical

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>>109928190

>>109927863
It's still (mostly) proton but you can run non-steam games easily with Lutris

>>109928031
TuxKart
Nethack
OpenTTD
Freeciv
Xonotic
OpenRA
XPilot
Oolite

>>109928184
You could dispute the modern part when they're still building generic packages instead of packages optimised for your specific CPU's micro-architecture.

Ubuntu 26.10 is going to have a x86_64-v3 repository for "modern" 10+ year old processors.

>>109928184
>if you have modern hardware
you always want the latest developments
>new version cooked twice a year
brother rolling release is where it's at. actually -git packages. massive package support (AUR), if you have new hardware and want all that.
for long term stability I used to use Debian.

again, Fedora isn't for me. and the few people I've seen on Fedora are pretty fucking clueless about Linux. I spent more time in Slackware than Fedora

>>109928204
Huh? It's how downloading nvidia drivers without the spyware app works, you get asked a bunch of questions before you're shown the download link
>>109928209
Lutris is obsolete, use heroic launcher

>>109928047
Rimworld has a native Linux build tho.

>>109928086
>>109928110
>>109928204
Stop buying shitty GPUs you stupid faggots. Literally everything *except* Nvidia GPUs on Linux just works. And by everything I mean including obscure embedded hardware speaking protocols you've never heard of, the kernel will just probe it and have modules pre-made from 20 years ago buy some random academic and just work.

It's literally just Nvidia that refuses to cooperate.

>>109928216
>the few people I've seen on Fedora are pretty fucking clueless about Linux
Fedora kde that i installed in 2025 finally made me stick with linux, after multiple attempts across the years
t. normcattle

>>109928223
>Stop buying shitty GPUs you stupid faggots. Literally everything *except* Nvidia GPUs on Linux just works.
linux works terrible on my hp 17 by1078 and it has an intel and AMD gpu.

>>109928220
Rimworld
Project Zomboid
Factorio
FTL
Into the Breach

>>109928232
bad larp

>>109928228
that's great, happy for you. now move on to more adequate distros
breaking shit is how you learn. something that "just werks" isn't teaching you anything

>>109928223
literally never had a problem with nvidia on linux after about 2011 by the way.

>>109928223
AMD is shit, no matter your MESA cope. They're barely any cheaper nowadays, idk why anyone would bother
ryzen cpu + nvidia gpu is the patrician choice. thankfully incel seems to be unfucking themselves slightly in the cpu market cause shit was grim in the last few years to the point amd went full jew with prices

>>109928243
fedora is broken by design, everything about it is broken and it crashes all the time.

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>>109928190
Don't forget OpenTTD.

>>109928243
>go install some distro that explodes itself so that you can learn how linux works
But I don't care how linux works, I just want a stable OS that doesn't upload all my documents to onedrive and shows me ads in the start menu

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>>109928248
The only thing better about Nvidia is CUDA. If you just want triangles paying the premium for it and fighting with their insane driver situation is retarded.

>>109928252
PEBCAK

>>109928248
>AMD is shit, no matter your MESA cope
anon is on lab grade copium

>>109928240
>bad larp
I mean I got it to install but I have to use older kernels to recognize the drivers. That's not really noob friendly, is it anon?

>>109928258
I know drivers were shit back in 2016. with all the workarounds wayland support was bleh
>muh x11
nobody cares

>>109928255
>better drivers
>better gayscaling
>ahead in gaytracing and whatever meme rendering stuff exists
>insanely better longevity, amd fsr is a fucking joke while nvidia gives you the latest and greatest on the fucking 2000 series even if the performance is mediocre
>CUDA if you're an ai nigga (inference works on amd but 90% other projects are CUDA based)
>better power efficiency, ie runs quieter
I just don't understand the value proposition of AMD cards

>>109928251
Forget privacy, the update situation and shockingly poorly written telemetry means your computer just isn't available to you often.

It's a fucking terrible OS. I still can't believe people tolerate it at all.

>>109928268
>>>>>>wayland
L M A O
Literally can't make that shit up

>>109928269
>I just don't understand the value proposition of AMD cards
>memetracing
nvidiots think like that

>>109928269
We're talking Linux though. They treat that platform like dogshit, you don't even get all of those gay meme features. People are still waiting for framegen.

Literally a $7 app can do what NVIDIA can't (on Linux):
https://www.howtogeek.com/nvidia-neglecting-framegen-linux/

>>109928267
Very very bad larp

>>109928281
It's very amusing how upscaling is now good because AMD has an acceptable upscaling model on newer cards, but things like gaytracing is utter fucking dogshit and suddenly when AMD will offer a halfway decent model it'll suddenly have been good all along.
>but muh raster performance

>>109928285
how is this a larp you dolt

>>109928278
>bruh it's ok your calculator app can see all the information in your discord/signal/browser windows
nice shilling there glowie. any shit app you run in x11 can see everything on your screen

>>109928269
>>better drivers
Maybe on very recent cards. In general they do not.
>>better gayscaling
I don't know what this means, I just want my game to run and draw triangles.
>>ahead in gaytracing and whatever meme rendering stuff exists
Better in software. This is like Soundblaster having a better built-in synthesizer for MIDI. No one cares just do it in software.
>>insanely better longevity, amd fsr is a fucking joke while nvidia gives you the latest and greatest on the fucking 2000 series even if the performance is mediocre
If it doesn't undervolt and fry itself because it draws way more power than its specced for which seems to be a common problem with them.
>>CUDA if you're an ai nigga (inference works on amd but 90% other projects are CUDA based)
If you can get inference to work you can get training to work, in general AMD cards are completely useless for any AI anything though.
>>better power efficiency, ie runs quieter
lol maybe on paper.

>>109928283
>People are still waiting for framegen
Huh? I've been using framegen for years on linux
I don't remember the exact date but it worked on release when stalker 2 dropped, so at least 2 years

>>109928287
>>but muh raster performance
real chads don't use upscaling and fake frames. raw raster power is pvre unadulterated performance

>>109928292
Unironic skill issue. Enjoy your inability to do basic operations while enjoying high latency and crashes.

>>109928295
Let me rephrase that:
>People are still waiting for framegen that isn't buggy and broken as fuck

This is every gaming feature on NVIDIA.
>First class support on Windows
>Linux gets the scraps

>>109928278
>old good, new bad
classic

i get 100 to 130 fps in the black myth wukong benchmark on cachyos and omarchy

>>109928220
the linux version is dog slow compared to the windows version

>>109928305
>working good, broken bad
Yes, classic

>>109928300
How can framegen be 'buggy'? I haven't really noticed any issues using framegen on linux and I do dual boot occasionally for DRM / online trash

>>109928298
just werks on my machine. haven't had a crash this year, believe it or not. ah no, I did have one when I increased CPU undervolt in bios to -30, had to back it to -25 and no more crashes since.

>>109928305
>>109928278
Wayland is unusable broken shit who's API is a strict subset of X11. Using it can only break things, you're best off ignoring it.

>>109928312
Just your usual driver issues. Issues like subpar frame rate or refusing to enable in the game after a driver or Proton update, etc., are all par for the course.

>>109928309
>the linux version is dog slow compared to the windows version
kek rimworld really is factorio but opposite, huh?
instead of improving over time they just turned it into a kitchen sink bullshit where everything grinds to a halt, and apparently made a linux version with inferior performance while factorio mogs the windows version

>muh x11 muh amd muh raster performance
ah, linux. the memes write themselves

>>109928314
Good luck ignoring it when you use one of the two major desktop environments (both KDE and GNOME have dropped X11 support) or want to use modern display hardware like HDR compatible monitors.

>>109928321
Factorio is amazing holy cow. It feels like how games felt 20 years ago: just really fun.

>>109928141
They gaymer distros usually have their own downstream patches for stuff like the kernel as well. It's a bit more involved than nonfree shitware.

>>109928324
>two major desktop environments
No one cares. There's zero reason to run a "desktop environment." All they've ever done is break things. I tried Gnome in 2011 and it sucked then too.

>>109928314
not sure wtf you on about. literally no issues with anything I am using, and I do run a lot of nonsense on my machine. gaming works so fucking good, and everything has wayland support, I might have something that uses xwayland.
you need to update your anti-wayland talking points, they're old cope these days

>people say nvidia is anti linux while Radeon/AMD doesn't even offer a linux version of their custom spec interface build for windows™
Intel all the way

>>109928331
There's plenty of reasons to run a desktop environment. Not everyone wants to use a tiler.

>>109928269
The thread is about Linux and Nvidia definitely doesn't have better drivers. Gay chasing is also a meme that just halves your FPS so any sane person would turn it off anyway. Otherwise you have to buy a more powerful model to get the same FPS. CUDA has nothing to do with gaming or home users so it's irrelevant. Better power efficiency might be true.
>better longetivity
My Vega 64 that was released almost a decade ago is still going strong. I'm holding my GPU purchase since the PCIe gen has also already changed, which means I'll have to buy a motherboard, which then means I have to buy a CPU + RAM as well. I'll do it once the bubble pops and prices go down. Meanwhile I can still play every game with my friends.

>>109928332
>not sure wtf you on about.
Because you don't even understand what I wrote.

>>109928335
>Radeon/AMD doesn't even offer a linux version of their custom spec interface build for windows™
wtf is even that

>>109928335
AMD doesn't need a GUI because it just works and there are better third-party utilities than they could build for overclocking and fan control anyway.

>>109928016
Hey anon just chiming in incase you’re still here. I also have an Nvidia card (a 4060) and have been using CachyOS with KDE and it seems to work well so far. Detected my hardware and installed the correct kernel modules. Updates haven’t broken anything yet but just to be safe use BTRFS with the snapshots it’ll auto create one before every update. Also if your archives are in an NTFS drive and you want to play on it, the CachyOS wiki links to a guide. To run gaming related stuff you can also install the meta package via the GUI from the startup Cachy Hello interface and things mostly work. It’s very beginner friendly for various use-cases.

>>109928336
There are lots of far better WMs than just tiling WMs. I don't like tiling, personally I run CWM.

Regardless Gnome is a slow, buggy piece of shit. I still can't believe anyone runs it.

>>109928341
listen, you said it breaks shit, and I told you it doesn't , everything works fine. you cannot seem to form a coherent argument or show an example, you're just throwing shit

>>109928331
>There's zero reason to run a "desktop environment."
good fucking lord what is this, an OS hipster?

>>109928342
The Adrenaline crap. He wants AMD+Bloatware+GNU/Linux.

>>109928342
I'm ESL but you get the point
>>109928345
>it just werks
It doesn't. Ask anyone using a laptop with dual GPU's where the dedicated GPU is AMD

>>109928335
you have LACT if you really need a proper app for settings, or you can directly control it through sysfs files. what the actual fuck do you want more? you have legitimately direct access, just echo the settings values into the sysfs files.

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>>109928337
>I'll do it once the bubble pops and prices go down.
you'll be buried with your vega

>>109928348
Almost nothing besides KDE or GNOME handles modern display hardware though.

Xorg is in a very sorry state and XLibre haven't exactly helped either.

>>109928357
That's literally an environment variable to switch between internal/discrete.

>>109928350
>and I told you it doesn't
Well you're just lying there. Yes it does. There's still no protocol for direct window placement among a dozen other things. What does exist are hacks on top of hacks that *maybe* work in just Gnome with the absolute latest version of <insert one popular piece of software that's bothered to try with wayland.>

Even Steam just runs everything in Xwayland. It's a shit protocol built by shitty people.

>>109928348
GNOME is literally the only usable desktop on Linux.

>>109928359
lact is bretty good, it's the final piece of the puzzle for nvidiafags that was missing from linux until recently

>>109928363
>Almost nothing besides KDE or GNOME handles modern display hardware though.
KDE and Gnome don't handle display hardware at all. That's the kernel and Mesa. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>109928314
This.

>>109928272
It's available to me more than Linux with it's constant updates. Kernel update, oh gotta reboot, Nvidia driver update, gotta reboot. Haven't had to reboot my windows in 70 days. Just don't update on Linux? Tried that and eventually ran in to issues installing shit re repos.

>>109928367
Steam isnt an arbiter on anything. It's a low quality launcher.

>>109928354
LACT or direct control of sysfs files dude is clueless

>>109928357
>I'm ESL but you get the point
the AMD driver is literally open and documented for fucks sake, what else do you need? you literally have direct control of it from terminal:
https://docs.kernel.org/gpu/amdgpu/thermal.html

>>109928373
Use case for gnome?
Gnome is a cheap macos knockoff. You either use KDE or you buy a mac.

>>109928389
GNOME looks and feels better than macOS. Anyone who as used both knows this to be true.

>>109928390
l-lol?

>>109928377
They do under Wayland. It's their job to work with colour pipeline (using the DRM interfaces for that the kernel exposes) in order to enable proper HDR display output and tonemapping, etc. stuff that Xorg simply doesn't handle.

X Windows t was great in the 80s and 90s when people had big iron mainframes and used them to display content on a networked display, but hasn't really kept up with the modern times unfortunately.

>>109928367
x11 spies on your private discussion for fucks sake, as in allows any fucking process you run at user level to spy on everything on your display.
are you legitimately brain dead?

also not sure what the fuck you are talking about. I'm running hyprland and I have no issues with that window nonsense. you'll always keep moving the goalpost looking for some insignificant minor issue to stress about with wayland

>>109928386
>Kernel update, oh gotta reboot,
Why? Your current kernel is resident, the only reason you'd reboot is if you installed new hardware that you didn't already have a module for.
>Nvidia driver update, gotta reboot.
Again, the older copy of Mesa is going to be resident until you reboot.

>>109928402
lmao retard

>>109928390
lmao
>>109928397
On Wayland KMS and mesa handle the display. Mesa runs in the compositor process but neither Gnome nor KDE do any of the work.

>x11 lets you run autohotkey-esque automation across different windows
>gayland doesn't and it's not possible even with root
gayland is better for my hardware but it's designed for retards that need to be kept in a padded room lest they hurt themselves

>>109928406
>again no argument
funny how you kept doing that all of this discussion. and you'll keep doing it because you're a dumbfuck retard with no real arguments

>>109928404
There's a ton of software that partially dynamically load shit, so updating the gpu driver will actually cause e.g. windows to glitch out, or drop-down menu to no longer pop out of open windows. Similar for things that need a kernel module when the kernel updates, it decides to load the new kernel's module on the old kernel which doesn't always work.

>>109928402
>x11 spies on your private discussion for fucks sake,
HOLY SHIT YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDED FAGGOT EVERYTHING IS RUNNING UNDER YOUR USER ACCOUNT ANYWAY AND CAN FUCK WITH EVERYTHING UP TO AND INCLUDING THE LANGUAGE RUNTIME. STOP FUCKING AROUND WITH TRYING TO SANDBOX THE DISPLAY PROTOCOL IT'S A COMPLETE FUCKING WASTE OF TIME.

>>109928386
>Haven't had to reboot my windows in 70 days.
You're literally retarded if true. You can't not update in 2026 unless you like getting botnetted.

>>109928412
You forgot your meds, schizo. Not everyone who is smarter than your 65 IQ is the same person.

why is having a reboot a big deal anyway
it takes 20 seconds and i do it maybe once a week

>>109928408
I know you're too poor to have used both. No need to laugh at yourself.

>>109928409
Wayland has no way to get rdp working, except if you manually connect to the rdp server and click a button to allow the client to connect. It's a toy.

>>109928418
on Wayland my calculator app doesn't have access to my browser window, or my chat app window, you absolute buffoon. on x11 it does.
kys glow faggot

>>109928418
you can use flatpak + flatseal for sandboxing as a cluelessfag
I run raw bwrap + way-secure wrappers on my nixos box

>>109928420
oh no!
>>109928425
It's annoying. Everything is working fine.

>>109928418
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe you're retarded and run everything without any isolation, but most of us, who admittedly aren't retarded, don't do that. Wayland is the only choice on Linux that allows for securely running GUI software in a desktop session with isolation in place.

>>109928425
Because some of us use our computers for work, work that will be lost through a reboot and will take a while to restore from a fresh state. Of course if all you do is play vidya and browse 4cuck like the /v/irgin techlet you are, then you can't understand.

>>109928441
>buzzwords
what mystical work do you do that needs 9001 hours of uninterrupted uptime?

>>109928439
Isolate your poop from the thread, pajeet.

>>109928408
>On Wayland KMS and mesa handle the display. Mesa runs in the compositor process but neither Gnome nor KDE do any of the work.
Yes, GNOME and KDE don't "Do the work", they submit the work.

But still they have to do that otherwise your display wouldn't work and nothing would be displayed at all.

Xorg also uses those same KMS APIs (at least under the modesetting drivers, the reality is more complicated with the other DDX drivers) but it doesn't "submit the work" to the kernel necessary to enable proper HDR output on modern displays.

You can hack it in to force 10-bit output but that's not really the same thing. To do it properly it needs tonemapping support in a compositor and has to pass HDR metadata through to the display properly.

Right now it can't handle any modern display output at all. You're basically forced to use SDR.

>>109928439
Yeah, I don't run non-free software and fling binaries at people like an animal.

>>109928443
In-silico high-throughput screening.

>>109928445
>no actually you have to run x11 + 10000 other shits to mitigate the security issues
>still works good
lmao even

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>>109928409
Anon, what the fuck is the use-case? Not even memeing. On Windows, sometimes UI automation tooling is basically the *only way* to do things in a non-ball-punching way, but generally on Linux you have a lot more "freedom" to automate away.

>>109928434
My calculator is the python REPL and I'd be fucking pissed if it didn't have access to my browser for some reason.

>>109928446
HDR is a meme, retard. You can't give an example of real HDR content you have ever looked at. Instagram pumping your brightness to 11 on an entire frame instead of only on relevant elements is not HDR. An SDR image tagged as "HDR" is not HDR. The one demo picture that only exists as a demo is not content you consume.

>>109928450
the level of cope lol

>>109928450
It's more than nonfree now, anon. Even the Linux kernel itself is full of vulnerabilities that need to be kept up with. Only a fool pretends isolation is bad.

>>109928452
>In-silico high-throughput screening
And you do this on your home desktop?
Seems very relevant in a "Is Linux gaming a thing?" thread

>>109928361
Then I'm not the only one which means games will have to optimize their code or it's unplayable for 99% of the userbase. So the pressure to buy a GPU goes away. Which means I save a ton of money. Only the worst paypigs accept the current prices, regular people don't.

>>109928460
Go back to your phone, it's made for people like you.

>>109928455
OK pajeet, whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>109928459
Just say you're too poor to afford a modern display.
There's plenty of games and videos with actual HDR output, not "fake" they were rendered/mastered that way.

>>109928462
>why
The cool thing about computers is that they're not consoles, so you can do more than just videogames on them. You can even play games while you work!

>>109928456
The use case is that i want to press one button and have a bunch of actions happen
I can do this easily on windows
I can do this easily on macos
I can't do this on le highly technical tinkerer OS which is fucking bizarre

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>>109928468
the absolute state of pro x11 arguments

>>109928443
>>109928452
I do EDA and embedded software development on Linux. The other EE uses Windows and his shit is always breaking. I have no idea what this guy is talking about having to reboot on Linux. I have never once been forced to reboot.

>>109928469
>still no example
lol
"HDR" in games means "when your character goes from inside to outside, the brightness adjusts with a smooth scale instead of being able to see everything right away". It's literally even more fake than "fake HDR".

>>109928475
lol the whole point of Wayland is to have a cellphone like environment on Desktop Linux. You will be happier on Android than trying to force Linux to be like it. Stop bothering the adults.

>hdr is a meme
>desktop environment is a meme
>upscaling, framegen and raytracing is a meme
>vidya is a meme in the first place
What do you even do on your computer? Recompile emacs and vim all day?

>>109928476
for me also KiCad works, FreeCAD also works just fine.

Linux has a bunch of gotchas. You might use it at first things might seem like they're working but then it starts breaking piece by piece.

For example I installed Linux. Went to bed and the next day logged in from sleep on KDE. My screen was FULL of artifacts, it didn't go over the programs, only the desktop but they stayed until I logged out so I know it's the compositor breaking.

I have an all AMD brand new high end gaming PC, so it's not my hardware. I logged out, logged back in, it was gone so it was a problem with the sleep function on KDE I assume. But it's still buggy.

Then I tried to play a game, specifically apotheon. It's a single player game. I got it on sale on GOG, launched it with heroic. Used proton cachyOS latest as it's the default. I didn't configure anything, No voice audio on the intro movie, no music in the actual game, it was broken on launch, you can test it yourself. The windows version is absolutely fucked on Linux.

I also tried launching the game through steam, and because steam experimental has no codecs, it just gives an error video screen. So I'm guessing if you owned the steam copy, it would default to the Linux version, but it just goes to show that it's not perfect on Linux.

Then I uninstalled and switched to the native Linux version. The native Linux version just worked on heroic. This is a case example of Linux not just working out of the box with wine/proton. Not all software will run on Linux perfectly.

It is what it is, but it's not a case where someone can say every game works. This was just an average game. A lot of windows games don't work on Linux or have problems.

Also I can't prove it, but it seems like my internet and browsing speed is slower and loading of videos is slower compared to windows 10.

>>109928474
I can do this on Linux just fine because the software is free and most the APIs are C like or D-Bus and easy to bind against.

>>109928450
what about sandboxing game mods?
what about sofware exploits?

>>109928409
sway control tools + wtype works, you can even run sway under your normal compositor if you want to

>>109928483
It's literally a completely different colourspace, retard. It's not just adjusting the brightness

>>109928490
Do selenium but with netsurf instead. I'm waiting.

>>109928487
FreeCAD is unusable garbage IMO. I wish it weren't. KiCad is great. I moved to it from what's now called "lepton EDA."

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>>109928464
>which means games will have to optimize their code
every single poorfag coping with ancient GPU will be left behind the second next gen consoles release

>>109928494
Real HDR is. That's my point, retard. The term "HDR" in games does not mean what you think it means.

>>109928492
>game mods?
Sounds like non-free software.

>>109928496
>FreeCAD is unusable garbage IMO
things changed a bit with v1.1. but depending on what I need to do I always use an older standalone Sketchup version through wine. also works just fine

>>109928497
Next gen consoles are going to be really fucking expensive thanks to AI and still probably won't be as good as someone's midrange PC. Only the poorfags have anything to worry about on that front

>>109928361
>>109928464
>>109928497
GPUs are going the way soundcards went: everything is moving to software rendering because it's good enough and CPUs are getting faster.

>>109928495
Anon, what are you on about? Chrom(ium) has a whole automation API built-in. That's basically the lowest of the low hanging fruits.

>>109928492
firejail works fine

>>109928510
I really prefer OpenSCAD but the mechanical people all use this online thing.

>>109928517
>netsurf is chromium
Retarded or just pretending?

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>>109928515
>GPUs are going the way soundcards went: everything is moving to software rendering because it's good enough and CPUs are getting faster.
t.

>>109928506
xonotic is free

>>109928524
that's great for parametric stuff. had to do some nuts/bolts, berry nice.
never touching anything online. that's a sacred rule. steals your shit, needs your email. I'm not falling for that meme

>>109928533
It's not my shit it's the company's. They say use the online tool and so the online tool gets used.
Everyone in software is essentially running an HTTP reverse transport shell and uploading the entire codebase to OpenAI anyway.

>>109928527
I'm refusing to engage with your retardation any further or your poor choices in browsers. Best of luck.

>>109928546
>gets BTFO
>cries like a bitch and runs away
Waylandfags everybody

>>109928528
The big thing for the last generation is programmable pipeline. At this point the only major difference between GPUs and CPUs is the memory model. They are going to go away as a specialized piece of hardware before the prices go down.

>>109928557
Sure, just wait until CPUs come with a few tens of thousands of cores. Any minute now.

>>109927899
GOG is amazing holy cow. You pay money, you get game, just like how things used to work.

>>109928557
>At this point the only major difference between GPUs and CPUs is the memory model
And also the fact that at the moment you can maybe play gta vice city at smooth framerate with cpu rendering alone
which is great news for tux racers but maybe less so for everybody else

>>109928543
To be fair, I'm pretty sure PTC says it will use your shit you design in OnShape for their AI nonsense on the free plan. It's still a semi-valid concern. Given I've seen WalkMe shit in Siemens dogshit, I'm sure it "accidentally" leaks too.

>>109928571
Yeah if it were my company there's no way half this stuff would fly but it's not my company.

>>109928505
It's irrelevant what it means if your display server doesn't even support it.

>>109928489
Completely different experience for me.

I used both Cinnamon and GNOME over the years and neither ever broke for me. Now you made me scared to try KDE lel

I have an NVidia card, which I've always heard works terribly on Linux, but it's always been good to me. No headache to setup drivers or anything, even as a complete Linux noob. As for games, it plays everything I want and more. Cyberpunk never worked on my computer when I ran Windows - turns out Linux runs it just fine.

It has also improved my internet speed. My wifi dongle only has official drivers for Windows, so I had to install a custom module for Linux. I shit you not, I reach +100mb/s download speeds, whereas on Windows I barely broke the 3mb/s mark.

>>109927887
Because steam is the shittiest software I deal with. Takes forever to start up, forced updates, literally fails to render the stupid store page, segfaults which steals focus while gaming (literally have to turn off steamoverlay and steaminput because of their shit software). Some games shipped also have hard dependency on steaminput and are literally unplayable. A lot of Sony shit is still borked.

>>109928576
I still can't believe I had to ask Siemens why AWC was downloading random JavaScript from the Internet for an "on-prem" software... It's insane.

>>109928586
>Because steam is the shittiest software I deal with.
Steam went to shit the moment they integrated a browser in their fucking launcher. That thing runs ass nowadays and you can't disable it.

>>109928584
Nvidia works well now only because they were forced to bend the knee. With NOVA and a workable mesa driver, hopefully the reign of terror will be over for good.

>>109928581
So you don't know a single piece of media that's not just a demo that is properly mastered for HDR. Got it.

>>109928591
All is slop and slop is all. Need to ship more features more better with more api and data access and always online heartbeat or the world will end

>>109928586
>>109927887
It's always so funny to me how "gammers" see Steam as this great anti-DRM freedom thing and everyone from Linux sees it as the most locked-down annoying piece of software they've ever used.

We both live in totally different universes.

>>109928607
>linuxfags being hysterical retards
same old, same old

>>109928605
Google it. You'll find loads of media with real HDR support. In tems of games, mostly any modern game will have HDR support built-in to it (but not always, that's why SDR tonemapping is still important)

>>109927863
umu-run game
Wow that was hard

>>109928600
Which is why I don't understand why people jerk it off. GoG is objectively a superior experience for those that know. Even Heroic in flatpak, is quite literally a better UX and nearly as secure. Literally the only absolute thing steam beings to the table is Pressure Vessel, which can be buggy in some cases anyway.

>>109928614
yet people keep wanting to impose their windows retarded behavior into it, for some reason.
stay on windows/macos, we're full

>>109928614
>game launcher
>actually we'll let a browser run in the background all the time with no option to disable it
yeah nah Linuxies are right on that one

>>109928047
>rimworld
i'm so sick and tired of that game fucking breaking, my current issue on my mod-list is colonist priorities/tasking being raped, SO COLONISTS JUST DO JACK SHIT 90% of the time, despite there being shit to haul and clean, and work to be done they'll idle forever unless i manually assign tasks, no errors in devlog either that point to the issue.
Fuck this piece of shit game.

>>109928497
I have a Playstation 5 as well, but it doesn't replace my PC. Some games are fine on a console but I'm not giving up on my PC and moving 100% to console.

>>109928586
This. Steam is a fucking garbage DRM that was forced upon me. It only matters (and is good) if you play multiplayer games.

>>109928616
Google it yourself. You'll learn there is nothing at all.

>>109928625
That and it manages to use more CPU time (on idle) than any software I use normally. It was to the point where I'd have background 10% CPU usage (lowest clock rate to be fair) just keeping it open. I close it as soon as I'm done because idk wtf it is doing otherwise, other than waste my power.

I still use lutris minus its gay scripts but it's pretty clunky.

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works on my machine

>>109928626
Isn't the code easily accessible and moddable? Just point a clanker at it and ask it to figure things out, it just werks (tm) nowadays

>>109928631
The burden of proof is on you. You're the one claiming it doesn't exist.

Go play Cyberpunk 2077, for example and that's an old game now.

>>109928645
Never understood Lutris. Even installing games from their website is 50/50. I think it just has specific hardware and if your specs don't match, well good luck.

>>109928645
you can just look at the log and see what arguments/env variables it uses for games that only work through lutris, and like directly use them in your custom script

>>109928663
makes a wine prefix and installs requirments for gaming. also vkd3d and a bunch of other settings. you can manually replicate all but can be tedious at first. just use it and notice what it does, in logs.

>>109928679
or just install heroic instead of faffing about with obsolete garbage like lutris

>>109928663
I basically end up creating a directory for the prefix, pointing Lutris to run the installer exe inside that prefix, and then I just click through the installer after it makes the prefix. Then I point the launcher to the installation directory.
I never use the installation scripts.

>>109928662
No, the burden of proof is always on the one claiming something exists. Retard.

>>109928662
HDR in Cyberpunk 2077 is just a pure SDR with a fake HDR setting
Self-pwn.

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>>109928722
You're really too fucking lazy to do a search?

Here, first link on my SearxNG instance:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_high_dynamic_range_display_(HDR)

>>109928728
It's not. It has actual PQ output.

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>>109927871
Never used linux, does this work on games that have their own launcher? Like dmm games

>>109928476
You do have to reboot because on Linux you HAVE to update.
>just don't update
Yeah, sure, and then when you need to install something? it's missing from the repo.
>sync the repo
Alright, now when I try to install it I can't because of out of date dependencies. This is a non issue on Windows. I can just keep installing software without needing to 'update'. I want my computer as I left it, I will not reboot.

>>109928886
you only need to reboot to apply kernel updates dear

>>109928663
>installing games from their website
They should remove that, it's obsolete now that umu exists and many of them don't even work.

>>109928886
>I want my computer as I left it, I will not reboot.
What you want is one of the immutable distributions. They are read-only and do not update without reboots. Everything is left exactly as it was until you reboot.
>But how then will I install software without rebooting
Flatpak packages or containers like Distrobox
>But I need <INSERT_SOFTWARE> that requires installing onto the system and therefore needs a reboot
Suck it up and reboot. Windows sometimes requires a reboot after installing certain software too.

>>109928864
they have worked for me
mind i'm not familiar with the acronym

>>109928886
This is simply false. In Windows, you have to reboot in many cases because default file locking behavior prevents you from removing a file from the file system while it is being read/executed. There is even an API that lets you store the filepath to remove on shutdown/reboot in the registry.

On Linux, unlink just fucking works. Processes still running have access to the inodes, while everything new can just pick up the new code.

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>>109928897
which are all the fucking time?
>use an lts kernel
I guess this if i stop nvidia updates (which I do on windows too to be fair)
>>109928907
I've never really run in to problems with that. (Uptime would be higher but I had to update nvidia drivers for PoE2

>>109928176
The fact that ALL of this is an issue is why Linux gaming isn't a thing.

>>109928959
that you for your input, mr slopya nutella

>>109928959
It's an issue specifically on Fedora Linux. It's not universal.

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>>109928905
It's just a nip website that does a lot of things including game hosting and some games require their launcher

>>109928864
Obviously that depends on whether the launcher runs.

>>109928925
>which are all the fucking time?
What the hell are you doing on a workstation that needs the *absolute latest kernel* every time an update gets released? You don't have to reboot when you update the kernel unless you need a feature that's only in the new kernel.