Well then, just use industrial grease or anti-rust compounds! You don't need your metals to deteriorate.

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>>109934004
KKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKK OP BTFO

>>109933995
I'll stick to C thank you very much

>>109933995
>requires 25GB and 30 minutes to build a game
Uh I'll probably just use god*t or un*ty

>>109933995
99.9% of gayme devs are tards. rust is too good for them to understand, utilize, and use right. and that is despite it being a coherent relatively easy and small language.

>>109934039
>relatively easy
Relative to what?

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>>109934047
The speed in which I am coming to your current residence to rape you.

>>109934047
to C++ when it comes to size and lack of separate oceans of styles and subsets used.
to C when it comes to higher level abstractions, generic programming, and comptime calculations
to go when it comes to sound types and concurrent constructs
to C#/Java when it comes to OPP tardation, inheritance, reference validation, idiomatic low-level access, ....
and so on, and so forth

good morning sir. i like to enjoy this video very much it is good for programing!

*bobbles head retardedly*
mrmm i thinking i subscripe toyou!

Rust is owned by Big Tech anon, don't fall for the trap or all your software will soon include a backdoor hidden behind 10 layers of abstraction

You want to play this shitty mod for minecraft anon ?

>>109934039
Rust is the language for tards. Can't even dereference a pointer without literally typing unsafe

>>109934039
they made games, but you are...

>>109934071
A life spent only watching advertisements, without ever actually buying the products.

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>>109933995
Yo chazm, hop on ball

>>109934386
I have commits in C libraries installed in every device. You literally can't not use some of my code, little as it may be.
I'm more of a consumer (code consumer, not just end user) when it comes to rust crates though.

>>109934588
coding is like digging a ditch by hand. when pneumatic diggers were invented the snail shovelers still bragged of old holes.

>>109933995
tl;dw?
I've only clicked the video at random intervals and it was just vanilla minecraft with guy having a gun.

>>109933995
Ok rust devs, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you guys actually solve Rust's disk usage problem?

>>109934660
Flash drive.

>>109934660
provide a specific real-world example of the "problem"

>>109934808
Bevy will eat up 20GB of disk space easily even for a 2D game.

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>>109934965
>it's real
Holy KEK

>>109933995
why would you ever want any of this in rust?

>>109934965
can you link to an example 2D game demonstrating this?

>>109934994
it goes fast man

>>109935076
Even the UI is being built with Tauri, so is there really any guarantee that making the game itself in Rust will actually be faster?

>>109935076
and compiles forever

>>109934649
It's Skate 3, MW2, and Minecraft decomps stuck together via vibe coding. Apparently took weeks to do for some meme shit no one actually wants to play. Things like this will just become another argument for anti-modding and how users shouldn't have access to game files and should stream everything. The future is bleak.

>>109934984
Right, so the major space consumption is on the developer and not the gamer.

>>109935430
Which is why I'll be sticking with C++

>>109935430
As expected, customer reviews are more accurate than advertisements.

>>109934039
There is no benefit to using rust for game dev compared to c++. When you write typical game code in rust, it ends up bypassing the rust ownership model.

>>109934310
rust dereferences pointers for you automatically grandpa
even c++ does this kek

>>109935577
memory safety is pretty cool especially when you do anything over the network

other than that eh, rust is very similar to c++ except it removed a bunch of the bloat and kept the features that devs actually need.

i am thinking of going back to c++ because the compile times are so damn slow

but man if i was working in a team rust is a no brainer, i would never trust another dev with c++

>>109935577
>it ends up bypassing rust's ownership model
i also disagree with this, ECS plays into rust's memory model really well which is why all rust engines use it

rust can do everything except useful apps

>>109934660
>built-in unemployed poorfag filter
what problem?

>>109935746
let's be real, ECS is a newer approach, favored today because a) cache locality is big and b) you get parallelization for essentially free
classic gamedev architecture is inheritance based and revolves around overriding an update method
that is much harder in rust

>>109934071
>and so forth
Yes, what about FORTH?

>>109935577
you basically half rehashed my point.
gayme devs operate at a subhuman intelligence level, literally, not just trash talking.
like many animal species, they can do specific "fixed action patterns" well. but any interruption or deviation from the fixed pattern, and their ability to finish a task immediately goes to ZERO. in other words, they fully lack the cognitive flexibility of a (non-/g/eet) human.

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>>109934133
hello saar please redeem the needful to win a gamesir controler giveaway

>>109937115
is there a way to do this (or codex) without paying for it?

>>109934018
You know how someone made a copy of Minecraft in C and it basically runs on anything, even like 300mhz celerons... Yeah. C it is.

>>109938452
giving money to (((them))) is the niggerly behavior

>>109938465
the clankers allow me to write better C, why would I even consider using a language that is used as a political tool against my race and is still a moving target hence unstable with only one compiler?
it makes no fucking sense, if anything this clankers rise is the perfect time to fix all the C code instead of replacing it by some non-sense.
I'll consider rust once the troons are dead and the language stops changing all the fucking time

>>109939272
weak reply.
you forgot a few (((talking points))), like "muh SUPPLY CHAIN" and "TRUSTING TRUST t t hehe" and "eww foundation".
shit them all out at once the next time.

>>109939455
I don't give a fuck about this

>>109933995
It's just vibe coded rewrites.

Almost like Rusttroons were panicking about their dying language with its rapid rewrite projects abandonment and latched onto something popular kek.

>>109935224
We don't even need binaries to reverse engineer anymore. All you need are videos of the game and AI can generate the game based on that alone.

>>109934660
I work at a rust company, and here's unironically their answer.
S3 is cheap

>>109934039
If you actually knew Rust you'd know that it is not suitable for making games. It is too rigid for rapid prototyping and that is essential for gamedev. At least in game logic department(eg actual game making), it's fine for engine part.

>>109934660
>Rust's disk usage problem?
A pod with Rust web service I wrote takes order of magnitude less disk space than a similar node js webapp.

A couple Rust threads ago i asked for some elaborated upon reasoning to dislike Rust. One schizo came in and started rambling eventually, i asked chatGPT to analyze his post and the concurrence was that he was making mountains from molehills. That in fact, Rust implementation has a lot of benefits and the downsides are almost entirely down to just having another language, and that takes time for people to adapt to.
I fed that back to the schizo and he crumpled.

My point isn't that Rust is good or bad - it is that there is a tool, LLM's, that you can use to get genuinely good opinions. But they have an IQ bar you have to pass in order to get good responses, you also have to have some internal machinery to parse what i would call "unmerited inflated consensus", to then question that back to the LLM, at which point they'll admit wrong and readjust their answer.

Anyway, my offer still stands.


Can anyone elaborate on why Rust is bad?

>>109943513
Writing fast Rust is not the most intuitive thing in the world. My Rust program is slower than my Go and C++ programs. I'm going to study to make it faster and know Rust can indeed be fast but it takes skill unlike Go, C, and C++.

>>109943556
Are you responding to me ask, or are you blog posting?

>>109943513
Tools do not automatically perform tasks or achieve results on their own; they are used only in accordance with the user's intentions. (skill issue)

>>109943619
Are you responding to my ask, or laying inanities?

>>109943659
good or bad is only according to your purpose and skill

>>109943572
Both.

>>109943684
>>109943689
Ok, so neither of you can elaborate on why Rust is bad. Thanks, please don't turn to your shelves of platitude-thought-blocks which you've borrowed to then slot them into this conversation as if you've, yourself, constructed a thought.

>>109943720
You don't share the same goals or level of ability as that person, so why do you assume their answer is the right one for you? It even seems like you are trying to stop someone who is successfully achieving their goals—thanks to their own competence—and control them into doing things your way.

>>109943765
You didn't give the LLM full context, so it schizo-babbled and missed the point. Like i said, the tool has a IQ bar, that you didn't pass.


Can anyone elaborate on why Rust is bad?

>>109943800
They already said it is not suitable for their purpose.

>>109943844
If i ask for opinions on oranges and someone starts talking about apples - your opinion gets disregarded.


Can anyone elaborate on why Rust is bad? (getting kinda silly that no one can answer this question despite all the cultural talk surrounding it)

>>109943513
People who hate rust do it because that's just their agenta, not because they reached that conclusion after some in detail research. They are just midwits who are too incompetent or lazy to learn Rust and are afraid because it infringes on their perceived supremancy within systems programming.

>>109934145
You cannot own what is free and reproducible.

>>109943513
>i asked chatGPT to analyze his post
you got retards here unironically, shamelessly talking about how they are too incapable and too stupid to read something on their own to draw a conclusion. grim.

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>>109935814
Actually I use Zed and copilot a lot, and they are written in Rust.

>>109944173
A aspirant approaches.

Can you elaborate on why Rust is bad?

>>109944219
what, so you can ask a chatbot to explain my explanation to you? fuck off, retard.

>>109944227
Can you elaborate to me instead? I won't use a chatbot, I promise.

>>109944227
Another failure to answer a simple question.

>>109944236
>illiterate retard that fails at reading tries to use "failure" as a shaming tactic

>>109944242
Let's just set the scene here. I am asking "Why is Rust bad", this is a broad topic, but here specifically one ought to infer the cultural weighting of the question.
From there, you'd obviously set out to answer the question with said weighting applied inherent to the question, thus narrowing a relatively broad and open question down to specifics that align with the inherited assumptions given by cultural analysis.

This is quite easy to do when topic experts are presented with a broad question, in fact it is common to be prideful of ones ability to do that as it shows a deep knowledge of the topic and ability to transfer the knowledge into a relatable form, increasing transmissibility.

In asking the broad question, with the aforementioned acknowledged, what i have observably been left with is people pretending (pretentiously) to be topic matter experts but who stumble at the first step of inquisition into said topic. It's meta humour on my part. Going to a "technology" sub section of a forum on a social media site, a site that habours heightened opinions often involving hyperbole, to then set the lens clear by observation that everyone here is in fact a retard - via the vector of asking a very simple question in regards to a topic that proliferates endlessly on said forum.

I will continue to laugh at you, and everyone else, and i will continue to ask simple questions and watch as you all fail to answer them. This is enjoyable pass time for me. It also helps me learn to better defend my opinions by thinking multiple steps ahead of you "people", despite the fact that no one even comes close to entering those contingent ends.


Can anyone elaborate on why Rust is bad?

>>109938452
Scamming and bottlicking does not count, dumb autist.

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>>109933995
I still don't understand how this is done, do you just tell Claude "add MW2 to Minecraft" and it does it? I saw a 8 year old doing a game with ChatGPT on X but it still looks like witchcraft to me.

>>109944303
Do you want the full story or the lame one?

>>109944341
I guess full?

>>109944293
retard also uses a chatbot to speak for him. cant read, cant speak, needs a chatbot to do everything. we have the actual definition of a npc here, do you also struggle to wipe your ass?

>>109944553
Is the LLM in the room with us now?

>ask why rust bad
>no one answers
>get accused of being an LLM
Rust derangement syndrome is real.

>>109943417
>i wrote code the exact same way
>i got errors
>rust too rigid
you just rehashed my comment again sub-human retard. see >>109936973.

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Interesting, so it's a better language but the troon bullshit does make me not want to partake in it, take your sexual orientation up your ass and go dilate somewhere else, it's meant to be a programming language not a gay pride application

I'll wait for the vibesloppers to make their own new language I guess

>>109934039
It just uses rust so the game doesn't have kernel-ending vulnerabilities once its slopped. There is no other reason, rust is the slop language, now.

>>109935577
The benefit is that the AI who is slopping it isn't going to create something that will be known as a CVE10 to even have on your computer in a week or two. That's the only reason Rust has been pushed in AI gen so much

>>109945819
What

SAARS
DO YOU ACCEPT AI AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR?

>>109945567
>>109944614
>samefag
>pretends obvious llm prose is not an llm
you are a true, certified retard. the world will heal when you are dead.

>>109946254
*unwraps in your path*

>>109933995
>mfw it took Agentic AI to make people realize having a compiler actually tell you, you're retarded, is a good idea.
It's both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

>>109934047
literally anything I've seen since Haskell.

>>109945567
when you open with "i used chatgpt to read a post for me" it is not unreasonable to assume you are using chatgpt to write posts for you, especially 4 paragraphs in response to an obvious troll. you did not sit down and type all of that to a 2nd reply calling you retarded.

>>109935577
>there is no bene-SEGMENTATION FAULT CORE DUMPED
let's just ignore that online games are basically going to become the next battlefield for remote CVEs.
IDK why retards say that having crash resistant software is bad. Android devs already said Rust is basically a million loc to one CVE.

but whatever, the other anon already called you a dumb cattle incapable of thought.

>>109947628
unwrap is memory safe, unless you unwind through an FFI boundary, but by that point, you deserve it and it's unlikely the Rust part is the FFI target anyway.

>>109934660
same way you deal with it in C and C++, more disks, do cleans periodically to remove stale shit.
>b-but C++ doesn't have this issue!
yes, it literally does, unless you literally do not use clangd or some other IDE that generates GiB of intermediates for intellisense/Jeetbrains or LSP/DAP stuff.

>>109947673
>its okay for my program to panic and crash, it was memory safe!
this is what rusttards actually believe

>>109943513
pretty much the only thing bad about rust is it's still kind of a jankfest in terms of its type system, all in the name of specific implementation sanity and performance reasons.
I still find stuff like GATs to be half-assed and even the borrow check formalization keeps getting dogwalked because of compilation performance reasons.

these are all legitimate IMO, but not that important, since Rust is basically the only language even trying to do the things it does. Here's hoping to further improvements or a better language.

also the old ranges suck, but the new ones should fix that too. would like to have seen better static_asserts instead of halfassed shit like slice::array_window() -> check if const N is gt 0 at runtime, but whatever.

>>109947739
correct. it's objectively superior behavior to crash on failure than continue in an inconsistent state.

>>109947739
as opposed to what?

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>>109947673
>what would you like to do on failure?
>can I get uhhhhhhhh... exiting the program
>gotcha, the program will exit on failure
>WHAT THE FUCK??!?

>>109947633
>I'M wrong? No, you're wrong. Stupid language nade me look bad!
vs
>hey mostly correct text generator, the deterministic text analyzer says YOU are wrong here
It was always an ego thing.

>>109947850
you're implying you get asked what to do or that you can meaningfully do anything on failure.
what do you do when malloc() returns nullptr (yes: C23) but you need heap allocations to continue? worse, what do you do when you try and consume your allocated memories and the kernel segfaults you because it over-committed?
hell,

>>109947782
please use newer training data in the future.
const panic existed since 2018, and got stabilized in 2021. "slice::array_windows()" is const unstable (#![feature(const_slice_make_iter)]). so that assert IS const.
a possible better objection would have been arguing for using NonZero instead, but then you would have tards kvetching about "ugly" code, and "village idiot"-grinning at the sight of an impossible (AND const) unwrap ("Option::unwrap()" is also const stable).
if you don't immediately see an error with N=0, that's because of limitations in const eval in "cargo check" and rust-analyzer. run "cargo build" and you will see a compile error. those limitations are known and deliberate for performance reasons. i have ideas around modifying cranelift codegen and repurposing it as lightweight (non-functional) build target specifically for this use-case, to serve as a maximally lightweight check-time build option. but i don't know if i will ever get the time to do it. and cranelift as-is is fast enough already for those who want this.

>>109933995
Another vibeGOD victory

>>109948213
bruh....

    pub const fn array_windows<const N: usize>(&self) -> ArrayWindows<'_, T, N> {
        assert!(N != 0, "window size must be non-zero");
        ArrayWindows::new(self)
    }

I literally just goto-definition in my editor.... and as you said, the "const" version is unstable so it's meaningless.

>>109948213
also

>> fn xyz<const N: std::num::NonZero<i32>>() -> i32 { N.get() }
Error: `NonZero<i32>` is forbidden as the type of a const generic parameter
   ─[ command:1:1 ]
   
 1  fn xyz<const N: std::num::NonZero<i32>>() -> i32 { N.get() }
                    ─────────────────────  
                               ──────────── error: `NonZero<i32>` is forbidden as the type of a const generic parameter
───

BRUH

>>109948213
FURTHER BRUH

I literally just found a use of ArrayWindows and changed it to N = 0, and it still compiles...

>>109933995
I'm trans btw

>>109948255
https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/src/core/slice/mod.rs.html#1655-1657
see that "#[rustc_panics_when_zero]"
bruh
>and it still compiles...
not on nightly bruh
https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=nightly&mode=debug&edition=2024&gist=d104a250caa1129318ed45ef17184862
>no NonZero const param
that's a valid point as it's a real current limitation.
as the omitted note points out:
> = note: the only supported types are integers, `bool`, and `char`

but it could be easily special cased in an unstable feature if it was deemed needed (just like how you can use custom enums via the "adt_const_params" feature).

>>109948631
>nightly
......

What the fuck you're arguing about, who gives a fuck about all of this, gamedev is the prime target for vibecoding because nobody will need to maintain that shit if it's a single player game

>>109933995
Could someone help me understand how it works? For example is it really that simple to tell Claude to decompile the physics for Stake 3 or any other game you might want to do?

>>109949087
ya, it's kind of gay how low information the actual video is. it looks cool as fuck from a zoom zoom basis, but doesn't tell me anything.

>>109934018
C stands for cuck.

>>109934047
Rust is oiss easy to learn. It's such a small language that only retards are struggling.

LLMs love it for a reason.

>>109949106
Sadly yes, I mean I watched his other stuff so I could get a better understanding of what is going on under the hood and all everything works together. For example, the game is running on MW2 engine, that he decompiled to rust. (I think?) and then he went on to decompile Stake 3 physics engine and Minecraft Terrain generation and ported those two to rust as well. Now I really do want to know how it meshes these three things together, I couldn't understand the source code very well since I suck at programming and I'm trying to get better but my guess here would be that he runs MW2 normally, when he gets into a match he calls Minecraft terrain generation and the Stake 3 side mode sort of hangs around until you activate it.

Is guess that is it? But how on earth could you actually do that? what happens to the physics of MW2 when you hand control over to the Skate 3 systems?

>>109948166
>implying you get asked what to do
you are not just asked
you are FORCED to choose
that's what calling unwrap is
explicitly choosing to exit on failure
>you can meaningfully do anything on failure
if you can't, propagate upwards, until it's

>what do you do when malloc() returns nullptr (yes: C23) but you need heap allocations to continue? worse, what do you do when you try and consume your allocated memories and the kernel segfaults you because it over-committed?
Oh wow anon now that you brought up these two cases I can see it is literally impossible to handle them, kudos to you.
What the fuck do you think a "failure" is, you fucking retard? An operation you CAN continue?

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Do not reply to this obvious bait thread, C guys.
Let rustrannies do whatever they want.

>>109949423
ok

>>109947782
>>109948255
>>109948269
>>109948284

fn only_nonzero<const N: usize>() {
    const {
        assert!(N != 0, "N must be non zero");
    }
    
    println!("{} is not zero", N);
}

fn main() {
    only_nonzero::<5>();
    only_nonzero::<0>();
}

>>109933995
rust?

>>109933995
Lua makes me more money than any Rust developer so why would I ever use it

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>>109933995
Remember artists don't see programmers or STEM guys in general as human. This has nothing to do with "techbros" or some kind of backlash against AI (which the average software developer has nothing to do with) They've been trying replace software developers with no-code for years. AI has just made this explicit.
Theyv'e been using open source for years bitching about how bad the "design" of open source is. And unlike open source devs, artists never contribute to the commons. Because as much as they like to act like anti-capitalist hippies, they're the real capitalists deep down.
I'm fucking happy artfags are crying about their art getting stolen.

>>109953645
What happened to the self-righteous Steam boycots? Oh that's right, nobody gives a fuck as long as it's not generative ART.

>>109935436
well then i hope you're using your own game engine.
or godot.

>>109933995
Trannies and Rust have officially won while Trump has lost.

>>109935436
Which is why you won't be releasing anything of value

>>109951251

error[E0080]: evaluation panicked: N must be non zero
 --> x.rs:3:9
  |
3 |         assert!(N != 0, "N must be non zero");
  |         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ evaluation of `only_nonzero::<0>::{constant#0}` failed here

wow very based. I kneel.

>>109949411
>now that you brought up these two cases I can see it is literally impossible to handle them, kudos to you.
the point is, real world error conditions can't always be handled. unwrap exists for this reason, same way asserts exist in both rust and other languages, or why you shouldn't handle sigsegv unless you're fucking retarded.

>>109955306
i already told you this was added in 2018, and got stabilized in 2021. you wouldn't have needed another anon to show you if you weren't retarded.

>>109955539
If you wanted to convince him this is possible you could have just posted a simple snippet of code instead of that wall of pointless text.

>>109955553
>don't provide facts and context in the face of (totally randomly) stuck-in-2020 talking points
okay

>>109934984
So does building unreal engine.

>>109955332
Then I don't know what you are disagreeing with me on

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>>109959252
>rustup!