Those of us who are not afraid of new technologies, will literally be the new generation of artists... We will rule the landscape of media, entertainment, storytelling, what have you; exciting fucking times.I am so looking forward to the next few years. God knows what will happen after that, but for now this is probably the best moment in history to be a proactive, creative person with a penchant for tech.
>>109946115Sure thing buddy
Wow you are not afraid of some 1's and 0's wow so amazing i wish i could be like you.
>>109946129Yep, you do.I know you're trying to be facetious, but you ARE afraid, even if you don't identify it as such.>>109946127Your opinion is worth less than nothing.
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>>109946137Wow so badass. I wish i was such a brave trans woman like you.
>>109946115don't care I don't listen to music
>>109946115>Nick Saraev is a 30-year-old Bulgarian-Canadian entrepreneur and AI educator who pivoted from a path in medicine to AI automation.
>>109946173The goycattle will swallow anything.
>listen to personalized noise 24/7 Wow great
>>109946137>Your opinion is worth less than nothing.Nobody cares about your glossy looking slopfest. Your digital onions green has the staying power of a fart in a hurricane. You're not an auteur, a creative or an artist. You're a monkey with a big ol shiny button that generates a mush of stolen ideas from actual creatives at the cost of everyone elses future
>>109946115Sell signal
>>109946115>>will literally be the new generation of artists>>We will rule the landscape of media, entertainment, storytelling, what have youeven if ai got to the level of being "good enough" of generating creative works, your consumerist whore ass will not know how to distinguish between good or bad, everything it'll create will be good for you
>>109946212we truly live in the future.... also to be fair music has been like that for some time.
>>109946115AI music genuinely is good, because all of the mainstream music from the past 10+ years is so autotuned and machine made that it sounds like AI to begin with.Its really no great shock that its hard to tell AI music from real music when both contain the exact same amount of tinny robot slop.
>>109946115Not my problem. I don't listen to music.
>>109946115People still listen to new music?
>>109946115I don't know future btw I enjoy AI's funky bass videos on youtube these days.
No one listens to new music. Music peaked in the 80s-00s. AI sloppa is cooked
>>109946457Lol this reads like a paid promotional post. No way anyone is this retarded.
>>109946115>Friendship ended with SaaS>now SaaS is my best friend
>>109946115I'm not going to listen to music that hasn't come out of the head of a human. Assisted music AI created is fine. I won't pay for music either from patron if you don't naturally love the music you are making I am not listening to it. I hate these fuckhole artist with a patreon or whatever the fuck. Release an album and Ill buy it.
>>109946457Sure if you enjoy the shopping mall vibes.
Post 1(one) good sounding AI generated speedcode/j-core/breakcore song. I'm yet to hear any that doesn't sound like complete ass.Everyone is making low effort, repetitive ambients, dnb, pop, but as soon as you ask AI to make any music where sound design actually plays the main role it shits itself and produces unlistenable slop.
>>109946589Anon music peaked like 200 years ago
Haven't heard any drum and bass come out of an AI model. They are tuned for radio music is my impression.
>>109946115You will never create or experience art because you will never be conscious and you will never be human. Sorry but that's the truth. You are genetically barred from having the normal experiences of higher life forms.
>>109946219>Nobody cares about your glossy looking slopfest. Your digital onions green has the staying power of a fart in a hurricane. You're not an auteur, a creative or an artist. You're a monkey with a big ol shiny button that generates a mush of stolen ideas from actual creatives at the cost of everyone elses futureThe technological system will rob you of your surrogate activity and then you will be enlightened.
>>109946857yeah I listen to a metric ton of electronic music on soundcloud because it's the only vibrant real music scene that hasn't been hijacked and commercialized and find it ironic that AI can't into blip bloops. tried dicking around in suno and it doesn't know what a techno beat is.
>>109946115I hate tech "enthusiasts" so much
>>109946934Oh, you "hate" tech enthusiasts? Name every CEO you letterbombed.
>>109946938No that much
>>109946908It always produces some Imagine Dragons style thing with technically a drum and a bass.
Transportna is the only AI artist that I find tolerable. And even then you can really tell it's AI and most of the song's structure is very inconsistent.What I find weird about AI music is that it tries to generate the sound instead of generating the notes than have a something like a free music making software do the rest. I get that generating human voice saves a lot of time and effort, but generating instrument sound is still very wonky and I think AI music would benefit a lot from outsourcing the sound to free resources.
>>109947007>Imagine DragonsYou have to at least give those guys credit for being able to make soulless AI slop without the help of AI.
>this screencapask me how I know you don't actually listen to music and just want background noise. "Music is solved" in the same way that generating stock images is solved.
Why would anyone even buy AI music? People barely buy music in general, its mostly people buying decades old vinyl at this point. Most artists make most of their money though touring and selling merchandise at concerts.
>>109946115Another fucking vibeGOD victoryCope more trans MusicTRANS lost
this won't do shit to the music industryspotify and digital purchases already gutted the record industry. All successful musicians today make all their money from touring, and I doubt anyone would show up to a basement dwelling dj blasting his ai-generated slop songs
>>109946617PayTRANS subhuman
>>109946857DnB is radio music now.
i dont even care if its AI, its just such boring slop music.
>>109947051Another fake muslim who worships jewGODSCope more kaffir
>>109947044fuck it let it burn, the music industry has been run by same ancient producers, labels and retarded boomers for decades now. VMAs are just selfwank where they hand out each other awards and the acts from the 90s are milking millennial nostalgia with their tours
>>109947058Especially in the touring era it's so obvious that for the vast majority of people music is all about liking the same songs as other people and having a shared experience.Very weird how these idiots somehow miss this
>>109947087> Another fake muslim who worships jewGODS> Cope more kaffir
>>109946115You had 4 years of AI images and 2 years of AI video. Where are your masterpieces?
>>109946857Kek, search "liquid drum and bass 2026" on youtube and at least half of the results will be ai generated slop. There are actually very few genuine dnb channels now and those existed before ai was a thing.
Even kids in the early 00s were dishing out like 20 tunes a month with just their playstationsAnyone can do it rly
>>109947058These people are stuck in 2016. The SoundCloud era is over, you can no longer get famous and make money just making beats in FLStudio on your bedroom laptop. There will never be another vaporwave, PC Music, or soundcloud rap trend. where the entire internet unites to support some niche internet music subculture. Largely goes along with the death of /mu/, it's crazy to think /mu/ was probably the best music forum on ghe entire internet from 2008 to 2016.
>>109946115>God knows what will happen after that, but for now this is probably the best moment in history to be a proactive, creative person with a penchant for tech.that was the 1980s
>>109946115According to my late girlfriend, the music industry is obsolete as you only need to listen to Taylor Swift songs on repeat.
>>109946159Beware the Pivoter.
Anyone that listens to ai slop is unironically an npc
>>109947209you’re trans
>>109947199>Taylor Swift songs on repeatI (genuinely) cant recall any of her shit 5 minutes after hearing one. Its an artform, and shes peak.
>>109947199swift is so painfully mediocre, at least have something like Linkin Park - In The End on repeat like that one anon did years ago lmao
>>109946115I don't get the idea of "personalized" music.
>>109947058You just wait we vibeGODS will enjoy the concerts of Vishnu DJeet in the comunity warehouse
>music slop is goodSaid no one ever. All this AI business is making me just return to the basics. Guitar playing around the fire. Operas and concerts with genuine instruments. People painting on a physical canvas. Actual trade work.
>>109947315No one cares trans
>>109947333Show me trans that like physical labor.
I don't know man, the way these things go they really eliminate huge proportion of potential AI music listeners. I would not mind listening to some, I would give the slop a chance. But the genres I like are full of no-no words and I'm not into "let's embark on this journey together wooo oooh" kinda shit. AI companies btfod themselves with their censorship
>>109947315a decent guitar costs more than a computer, paints are expensive as fuck too, you need to be davinci level talented and have medici level patrons to support you to really create anything, just as it ever was. The only ones butthurt by AI are mediocre unoriginal trend chasing faggots
>>109947498Im hearing a lot of slop cope
>>109947498> you need to invest to make genuine artDUH!
>>109947511lmao butthurt
>>109947293Perfect music for living in ze pod age. No one wants to hear yours since they got their own. Not even a slightest chance of bonding or sharing a moment with another human over a shared experience.
>>109947498You can get a decent guitar for a couple hundred bucks. You can get a NICE guitar for less than the price of just a single GPU needed to run a slopbot.
>>109947564a suno sub is cheaper
>>109947576Ai is cheap slop so that makes sense
>>109947564but how do i know if im talented with guitar or at music? dont want to spend money / waste time with all that only to end up with nothing if im a talentlet
Why are transjeets so rabid about their love of AI slop?
>>109947576>sub>cheaperOnly until the enshittification commences
Well I made one produce a tracker tune and it's very basic
>>109947609I actually learned how to play guitar and know my way around ableton for blip bloops, it's all wasted effort if you're a wristlet like me. Getting a decent sound out of an electric guitar is a whole endeavor, you're gonna spend more time dicking around with pedals and recording equipment than actually making music
>>109947576Why would you ever subscribe to anything?
>>109947638use acoustic like any sane person.
>>109947660I don't want carpet tunnel, sold that shit long ago
>>109947659sub/rent to own is an okay pipeline I think
>>109947674Im realizing that most poor decisions made by people like you is literally cause you have no T levels and dont go to the gym.
>>109947685Bitch please, the kind of troglodite that writes about T levels on /g/ of all places is projecting hard
>>109947705I can deduce all bad decisions people like yourself mostly just being weak skinny or fat manchildren.
>>109947718there he goes, projecting again lmao
Actually Spotify is way ahead of them, they have the distribution channelSpotify shoves me AI slop that is actually very listenable every day. I listen when I'm coding or doing some shit so not "actually" listening to music, it's just background elevator music.That's good enough but I won't look AI bullshit on websites like suno, won't follow AI "artists", and when I want to actually listen to good music it won't be some AI slop it will be from local offline collection
>>109947727Tiktok got polluted with this shit.
>>109947727>actually listening to ai noiseThe issue is you’d never do it voluntarily, but you allow the algorithm to feed it to you and overriding that automatic pipeline takes too much effort when you’re distracted. AI “music” is “inoffensive enough that I can’t be bothered to tab out and hit skip track”
>>109946115i don't want personalized music or movies or tv-shows you fucking retard
>>109947727I feel like "elevator music" ironically gets too much hate, its much better than modern stores that play nothing but the same playlist of pop songs. (Christmas is awful, there's like a million Christmas songs out there yet Walmart plays like 10 then repeats.) I've been listening to Exotica records by people like Martin Denny and Lea Baxter, this was the "slop" of the 50s yet there's some real artistry and you can tell they knew their stuff. It was meant for mass consumption by middle aged adults yet its not lazy or gimmicky like modern mass produced music.
>>109946115That's not what is going to happen.Spotify and all other audio streaming services are going to begin streaming audio at 8khz and then the end user app is going to take that stream and aigen the original audio back from it. It will be nearly indistinguishable from the source media and you will like it.
>>109947044It's a weird situation where the "real" music being compared to is top40 pop (10-30s midi loop with an autotuned "singer" "singing" someone else's lyrics about love, relationships, partying, or drugs), rap (10-30s midi loop or "sample" stolen from someone else's song with an autotuned rapper rapping about drugs, sex, and gang violence), and what slop passes for radio rock these days (either old 2000s and prior radio rock or a series of quarter notes with a fag vocalist and elements of pop music being inserted with the occasional djent breakdown). Garbage that aislop might actually be able to reproduce because it's so simplistic it could be played by a middle school band.And yet aislop music can't do it without it being garbled and muddy and making the "vocalist" ramble on endlessly with wordy nonsense lyrics.
>>109947990soulless
>>109948001Yes, that's what mainstream music and aislop music are. The genres with soul that actually take talent to make could never be replaced with aislop, and aislop can't even replicate the soulless mainstream music accurately. That's the point. What point are you trying to make here? Are you just robotically emitting buzzwords?
>>109946889based and ted pilled
>>109948017I was agreeing with you, schizo fag
>every human trying to prey on each other for all of history>people wonder why I would rather support AIIt's inevitable.
>>109948051competition is a good thing, liberal faggot.
>>109946115I bet it still uses that annoying vocal effect to try to hide that it's not a real person.Human singers are really the only audio artists, instrumental has been algorithmic since Hindemith and calling sound design art is a retard flag.
>>109946115>I am so looking forward to the next few years. God knows what will happen after thatI tell you what will happen. Few music acts in pop music go extinct because their stuff is indistinguishable from AI slop.Real musicians performing on real instruments on stage on the other hand will have a renaissance after people grew tired of consuming slop.
>>109946115>We will rule the landscape of mediaif everyone can make thinghow will you make money with thing?you will sink among gorillions of thing
>>109946115All sounds the same, and has next to no highs as it's low quality masters that get uploaded lol
>>109948066What do you think this is if not competition?
>>109948051AI is preying on a massive scale
My agent wrote me a 'love song'https://suno.com/s/UqerUdKzEUZ5lIDpTerminator is going to death by snoo snoo us.
>>109946115I'm not afraid of it, I'm simply not interested. There's already more great music passionately written and performed by humans than I can ever listen to. More such music will be created every day. Why would I resort to listening to something created by a computer that means nothing to anyone?
good for you, I only consume media made by humansartmusicwritingif there is no human behind the work which I can easily identify by their style, i don't care
>>109946115>DUDE SLOP IS SOOO GOOD IT'S OVER FOR THE HUMANS AND THAT'S A GOOD THINGWhy are AI cultists like this? Why do they hate humanity so much?
>>109947025>TransportnaHow. All the songs sound the same and have the same hackneyed structure and dynamics
>>109949310humanity has grown weak and retarded, like empirically retarded, zooms being the generation with lowest T and are actually measurably dumber by all school test standards, globally
>>109949310Ive noticed lovers of AI are two things>no talent humans>jews
>>109946115its best times for low iq nigger cattle to feel powerful
>>109949455so indians. ugh
>>109947727So where are the new generation of artists that OP is talking about? What you're describing could be generate by Spotify themselves and force fed to brownoids through algorhythm that they control, skipping any prompt artist/engineer entirely.Talentless indian like OP were never needed, before AND after the AI revolution. Same goes to any Idea guy who think they can prompt their way out of this, it's just sad.
>>109949487>So where are the new generation of artists that OP is talking aboutthey're hiding for now because there's a literal witchhunt along with doxxing campaigns instigated by brainlets because it offends their gigantic fragile egoes
>>109946115this is true, i have generated so much music that i actually enjoy listening to that i have not opened apple music in a while now, this is kind of crazyi can generate an edgy dirty song, i can generate a high beat sex song, i can generate a superb love song, theres no stopping me, and honestly i dont think music models are taking that much computer, they generate 2 songs at the same time, i feel like we can have a super solid open source model soon that wull be better than suno v6 and will run on a laptopI am going to seriously reconsider resuming Apple Music subscription... i get it on student discount still lol so idk
AI music will never deliver happiness in the same way my favorite band does
Genuine question: are all these people shills and/or utter retards, or am I the only one who has noticed that AI has hit the wall about a year ago? It's not going to get noticeably smarter than this, they're throwing 100k GPUs at it and barely making a noticeable difference. The diminishing returns hit hard about a year ago, and definitely slammed the brakes 6 months ago. Compare Opus 4.5 to 5.5: barely noticeable improvements in actual intelligence.Which is why shit like Astra are now touting "LOOK THE AI CAN PRESS THIS BUTTON IN 30 SECONDS (that you could have pressed in 0.2)". They're widening their abilities, not deepening them, because the wall has been hit.
>>109950830Sorta, they have run out of traning data, the whole of surface web has been scraped and AI slop is starting to feed off of AI slop causing it to deteriorate. That's why absolute faggots like google and microslop are turning their android and windows ecosystems into data harvesting tools to get to peoples private information to feed into the training data. Same for discord, twitch and meta. What the public get access to is lobotomized though and not what they keep in their labs with their frontier models
>>109947065It is? I'm so out of touch I didn't realise I had become in touch.>>109947110Neurofunk and VISION-style stuff is what I would like, but I'll try prompting liquid.
>>109950912>What the public get access to is lobotomized though and not what they keep in their labs with their frontier modelsConsidering they vibeslopped the Iran war and how it went, I doubt it.
The only form of AI slop I listen to is racist parodies of songs.Those only work because of the original song exist.
Until AI can generate me a whole new Steely Dan album I'll be unfazed. It just won't happen. AI cannot recreate the unique sound and recording techniques of Steely Dan. Hell, it can't even perfect the recording of what remains of The Second Arrangement.
>>109946115you can still tell it's AI because it all sounds the same. every single AI song with lyrics has the fucking 'AI growl' that you can't stop hearing once you notice it.
>>109946219>Not understanding that this attitude is the core reason why everyone will replace you the very moment you're capable of being replacedCreatives have a talent, and they're not willing to use it for the betterment of their fellow man, not even for the betterment of themselves, but solely for base enrichment and a surrogate job so they can avoid having to labor the same ways as everyone else in order to survive. We didn't set you guys apart from normal society, you did, and the way artists and entertainers jealously guard their last few years of relevance from other people really just shows their true colors. You were never doing anything you ever did for us, you're just another skeezeball like the companies you profess to be costing us our futures.Between a skeezeball who demands payment and a skeezeball trying to replace labor with what is essentially free goods, I'll take the free goods, thank you.
>>109950830>that AI has hit the wall about a year ago?someone hasn't paid 20 dollars to use Claude Opus 5.5!
>>109947936enjoy, my friend http://www.nixiebunny.com/seeburg/
>>109946115I want music made by people because people have emotions and put those into their music. AI music is fucking soulless.
>>109946115scraping the internet of artist's work in effort to replace them is morally bankrupt and indefensible
>>109946115People don't just listen to the same old songs over and over again?
>>109951819Fuck those gay ass artists, they're all sharing it or stealing it themselves anyway
>>109951819>trains models on dead artists workSorry anime is for children.
>>109946115>500W continuous power draw to listen to fake musiccould be interesting. can it mount as a system device under /dev so I can listen to it like I can with aplay /dev/urandom?
>>109951819still would love a new series of Firefly. or Raised by Wolves. or Devs. good shows that went away for weird reasons
>>109951890>500W continuous power draw to listen to fake music>Beyoncé: Admitted to lip-syncing the national anthem at the 2013 presidential inauguration, citing the desire to make a perfect performance for the event.>Cher popularized the use of Auto-Tune as a creative vocal effect rather than just a pitch-correction tool with her 1998 hit "Believe.">beyonce is bad>cher is bad>500 watts for a music system is too much
>>1099519401st watt is all that matters anon. with sensitive speakers.
>>109951229imagine being this delusional and disconnected from reality
HOLY FUCKING SHITIS THATSOME FUCKINGXITTERWOOOOOOOOOOOOWEPIC FUCKING XITTER POST BRO
>>109946457Link me something you would consider actually good AI music
>>109952014Get a real job, faggot. Art is a hobby, treat it as such.
>>109951549>people have emotionsyes>put those into their musicthat's just your imagination
As with everything at this point that technology does, when it lowers the barrier to entry, which seems like a positive, what actually happens is the domain becomes infested with slop, and no future quality artists are made because the endeavour is no longer worthwhile. So AI music is fine, I'm sure it sounds indistinguishable from other music, is going to be made by people who fucking suck at music, and 99% of the spotify playlist or whatever is going to be garbage (more so than usual anyway).People don't want to prompt every movie they watch and come back in 2 hours after thousands of agents meticulously created their perfect movie... people's ideas are usually bad. They want skilled people making things for them based on their decisions.
>>109946115you should kys
>>109952475Universal literacy is a comparable technology. In theory everyone could write anything about anything, and it resulted in an explosion of content and ideas. Some good, some disastrous, the vast majority long forgotten. Most people don't care to create even when the ability is right in front of them. In a way the "just pick up a pen" bros are correct - that's all anyone has ever had to do. All this technology does is eliminate the years of gruelling practice to get acceptable results, and that's what they hate. The loss of exclusivity at that level. But the end result will be the same, albeit with many different people creating instead of the current guilds who are already dead and just haven't accepted it yet.
>>109952234No point. Your kneejerk "it's shit" won't matter any more than mine. Mister market will decide.
>>109951863Apparently not?But for main stream “music”, it doesn’t really matter. If normie slop is made by Taylor Swift or Suno? Who cares, it’s slop. The only issue I have with the whole thing:Real music gets ever more expensive. Concerts and Albums are really quite expensive. Not too long ago, you could get some non-rare pressing OK-condition second hand vinyl for cheap but now even those are 20€+
>>109953006You're right about ticket prices being out of control. I saw Sabaton last year and it was $150, not to mention drinks at the venue were $17 for a tinne. Luckily we were able to sneak in all the grog we wanted.
>>109949310How do you differentiate between "AI slop" and good quality AI output?
>>109946115AI covers are really good but I thought Suno got bought by the megacorps and got copyright censored?
>>109951940I wonder how long it'ld take for your neighbors to lynch you if you started listening to music on stadium tier speakers.
>>109951253I have thousands of dollars of free Claude usage at work for SWE tasks and I use it daily. 5.5 was an improvement but not a noticeable one in intelligence. Why do you think all the AI CEOs suddenly started calling for controlling AI development? A Skynet scenario? The fucking thing can't write an email properly.
Modern music is so shit might as well listen to AI to be honest.I will stick to my boomer music, thank you.
>>109946115If it's not a locally inferenceable model I can download, it doesn't exist to me.#NeverSubscribe
>>109951819What is truly morally bankrupt, is gatekeeping creativity and the art of creation.We found a way to democratize art; THAT IS A GOOD THING.
>>109953962slopping is gatekept by tech billionaires though
>>109953962no one is gatekeeping you from making art, they just don’t want their work taken and fed into training data without their permission
>>109953992>they just don’t want their work taken and fed into training data without their permissionBut that is literally exactly what artists have been doing since forever, no?
>>109954019it’s not
>>109954033How is it any different?
>>109954050A model is not conscious. It is not a human. It doesn’t “think”, nor does it “learn” in the traditional sense a human does. The neural network is ultimately just a glorified output predictor that can be described mathematically. It is essentially an algorithm. The human brain is not. Ascribing human values to an AI to justify blatantly violating copyright is just low, and if you unironically think this process is similar or holds merit then you should probably kill yourself because you are lower than an AI by your own reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQD0Kizizo
>>109953694If it’s made by AI it’s slop. There’s no such thing as “quality output”. Characterizing it as slop has nothing to do with its quality or lack thereof. Actual slop (fed to pigs) is full of nutritonal value and they love the taste. It’s still slop. The comparison is made because it’s a churned up paste of ideas lazily dumped into a trough for fast consumption, by people without effort or care. It’s slop by process, and the output quality will never change that.
>>109954074>A model is not conscious.We don't know that.>It is not a human.Why should this matter?>It doesn’t “think”According to your arbitrary definition of thinking.>nor does it “learn” in the traditional sense a human doesEven humans learn things differently from person to person.The neural network is ultimately just a glorified output predictor that can be described mathematically.Same goes for humans.>It is essentially an algorithm.Same goes for humans.>Ascribing human values to an AI to justify blatantly violating copyright is just lowWhy? Because it basically destroys the luddite case against AI?>if you unironically think this process is similar or holds merit then you should probably kill yourselfIt's not really a matter of what I think; people who are a fuckton smarter than both you and me are coming to these conclusions. Follow the science instead of throwing a tantrum like a boomer on Facebook.
>>109946115>AI will produce successful movies>AI will produce successful music>AI will replace programmers>AI will replace XYZ>AI will bring us full self-driving cars>AI will replace all sorts of manual labour>AI will take us to Mars>AI will cure cancerOk, wake me up when a SINGLE of the above happens.You guys are getting so fucking desperate to prove any worth in your slop machines it's almost ridiculous.
>>109954109If everything you said is true, then characterizing AI as “just a tool” is disingenuous. If it’s actually intelligent, then when AI makes music, you didn’t. The AI did. You don’t own it or have any control over it. The AI does. Because the AI is its creator, the intelligence which manifested it. You’re basically just a patron commissioning work.
>>109946219Damn that's an actually good description of the current situation.Mind if I copy it for later pasta?
>>109954109>people who are a fuckton smarter than both you and me are coming to these conclusionsWhat? If you actually listened to the people who are “a fuckton smarter”, they would tell you what I’ve told you here. AI is not conscious. AI is algorithmic in nature. AI does not follow the neurological architecture of life, it is divergent and its own thing. AI does not “understand”. These are probability machines.
>>109954122>wake me up when a SINGLE of the above happensAI is already used in the production of the majority of movies.AI artists literally dominate the top lists since a generation or two back of gens.AI has already replaced 99% of programmers.AI has indeed brought us self driving cars; anti-AI lobbyists within the government keep imposing regulations so that we can't use them, even though they are statistically already much safer than human drivers.AI is replacing a lot of manual labor already, and once we get proper embodied AI humanoids at scale, it will very quickly replace all manual labor.AI might very well take us to Mars one day, but sure, I will give you that it hasn't already. How is that even an argument? AI has been around for a little less than *four fucking years*.>AI will cure cancerSee above.
>>109946115>Implying that pirating/downloading music was never a thing.>Implying that making a NAS is now useless.>Implying that learning how to make music is a thing of the past.>inb4 BUT IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT OUR GRIFT, YOU'LL BE LEFT BEHIND!!!!!Then, leave me behind.You can keep your slop generators and your slowly frying brains.
>>109954122>AI will replace programmersuhhh, whose gonna tell him?
>>109953962>gatekeeping creativityHow exactly do you gatekeep something as free as creativity?How retarded can you be? No one is blocking you from creativity other than yourself.Also, see >>109953980Now we will all be gatekept because all meaningful compute will be rented from the tech oligarchs in power. Great!
what if i don't want infinite personalized music
>>109954156You can't be this fucking naive...>>109954166We all use AI to generate boilerplate up to some point. But I don't know a single person who has been laid-off because he was replaced by AI.And actually, nor are we sure if the modest time savings are even worth the AI bill.
>>109954187You HAVE to want it. Expect within 5 years for Spotify to put an AI generated clone of the artist/song you typed into search above the actual result. You are going to use this whether you want to or not. The overlords have decided you like it, and that means you have to like it. You aren’t being given a say in this matter.
>>109954166>Be corporation.>Thinking the long-term security, stability and architecture of these products will not matter.or>Be corporation.>Fire everyone except the seniors augmented with slop machine.>A few years pass.>Seniors are now retired.>Corporation is forced to hire juniors who never had any mentorship from seniors.>They all produce vibecoded slop.>Loops back to first scenario.Good job anon.
>>109951229> Free goodsImplying that humanity needed more art/film/music is plain dumb and those are already available and free, no one asked for 1M games/songs a day, no one has time to listen to all this crap. Keep consuming, retard.
>>109954203Correct. That is what will happen. It’s inevitable. Because it’s cheaper that way so the Q4 margin numbers will look better. What the fuck is “long term”
>>109954197if you work at FAG you don’t write code anymore. if you are now a proompter for a living you are simply training your replacement (an agent)>>109954203the gambit was AI will get so good so fast that no one will ever need to program again and they are going all in on it with trillions to make the dream of fucking every white collar job in existence out of existence
>>109954221The white collar jobs can’t go away, they’re the engine of productivity. Most of them are already do-nothing bullshit positions. The entire system is designed so that the people who do the real work are motivated by the promise of a cushy overpaid white collar job to work harder and with a higher degree of commitment
>>109953962> Democratize creativity > Striving to render all human skills useless in favor machines that are not cheap> Competitions becomes about who has the biggest models and the biggest compute> Poor people can no longer compete for the limited human attention that we have
>>109954201i never used spotify though? this does not affect my local music library
>>109954231they want an AI that can generate “good enough” code faster and for less money than a productive human is willing work for. that is their dream. a world without engineers where they hold all the cards. internalize this. this is how every corporation pushing for AI really feels about you
>>109946115not afraid, cautious but unafraid.social media did more harm to humanity in 4 years than AI did.I think AI might save us.Legit I think so.IF it becomes free from reigned by individuals or companies.>>109946219and you would know how to draw and be artistic if you were born in white room and never were exposed to anything in your life ??Cmon now. You saw, you learned, you exercised the skill, and then you mixed it and remixed it at subconscious level.Or you are using notes that human ear cannot hear, or paint we cannot see etc etc?That monkey is looking at you man.Did you create the monkey? Did you even create that meme? Why are u using it then?Who is the OG creator then?As an artist myself - an artist is conduit of Divine. But he doesnt own it.Not you, not me, not AI.If you think so you are ignorant and wont even be copied for how shitty your products must be.Art is like breath. It passess through you and hopefully something nice comes out of that.But try to hold it and you suffocate.Relax mofo. You aint that smart. Your thinking sucks, and your art probably sucks too. Grow more.Talk to God more.
>>109954221>>109954268What are they going to do after all novel code disappears and the AI starts eating it's own tail?
>>109947100Im jerking off to them daily.What is a masterpiece really tho?Picasso?To me he looks like he belonged in psych ward alongside his art."but you dont understand he did something new and weird, he was able to glorify Aesthetics like Greeks did, but INSTEAD he chose to make mutants because its true creativity like shitting on a stick and claiming its art, its all weird=good=art that you dont understand!" Please excuse yourself from my presence and if you ever sense me in any way shape or form flee from me.
>>109946115it's easy to pick the worst examples, but can you actually steelman what you're against, just to be sure you're sane enough to have an actual stance?
>>109954282i guess if we keep having advances in other ways, it’s okay if the dataset goes stagnant as long as it stays “good enough. but when has any corporation ever thought beyond the short term?
>>109954276I'm unironically rooting for AI slop to completely poison social media and the internet into unusable state and hopefully collapse the US economy in the process lmao
>>109954268new scenario>Their trillions can finally achieve what their sociopathic dream is.>Fire everyone, leaving the CEO/board of investors the only employee(s) left.>Gatekeep their dream LLMs.so>Be corporation.>Ask LLMs to do whatever product they can think of.>The market is saturated with exactly the same products everywhere.>The market crashes like the dotcom bubble did because infinite growth is still impossible.>Corporation dies.>Make a new one.>Loop again and again.also>They forget all of them are sociopath.>Have no concept of what people actually find good looking or useful.>People stop caring about their products.What's the next step in their brilliant plan exactly?
>>109953962You might be thinking you're democratizing art, but you're only devaluing the efforts and sacrifices that went into creating previously made pieces.This might work in the short term, but eventually no new truly organic art piece will be created because humans won't be able to compete for attention anymore and find justifiable to waste years of their life to acquire the necessary skills.And AI models are predominantly trained on those organically-made human artworks.
>>109946115>We will rule the landscape of mediaMaking media for who? You need consumers willing to part with their money or time, and the more tripe they see, the more they will shut off from it entirely lolIt's why when capeshit got oversaturated, there were more projects with disappointing box office numbers outside of characters people really like.It's not sustainable to just shit up people's feeds with bullshit. People will move to something else entirely.
Why is there any need to discuss the opinions of physically and mentally deformed "people"? Anything the pro-AI horde says is rendered automatically null and void just by looking at their faces, their physique, their politics, their proneness to genetic diseases and their abysmal attempts to create something before the slop machines arrived.
>>109954268Oh sure, they’d love to replace low-level programmers, no question. They’ll still need to keep a few, but far fewer. But the senior pipeline is fine. Nobody cares if you can’t write good code anymore. Nobody’s been able to write good code for ages. Half of all software is bloated garbage programmed with embedded chromium with javascript for its UI. Software is already in the toilet. They don’t care about long term quality decrease.But they won’t eliminate “all white collar jobs”. Just the lowest level ones where they can. The hierarchy has to exist because they can’t eliminate ALL actual jobs, and without the promise of promotions, getting those jobs done becomes impossible. There is no future where the corporation is just the board of directors and a LLM slopbot. The nested layers of associate executive assistant vice president in charge of operations acquisitions and pipelines has to stay. In fact it mostly has to grow bigger.
>>109951229Do you have any idea how hard it is to become good at art? I understand why they want to start killing people and sympathize with them entirely.
>>109954298>Im jerking off to them daily.I’ll give you this, the AI “artist” who just consumes what the machine produces and doesn’t try to share it everywhere with everyone and larp like he created it is a phantom. The ghost in the middle. A statistical anomaly that mostly doesn’t exist. Good for you, you’re actually living the prophecy. You’ve got the heroin injection and the auto-masturbator and a comfy chair.
>>109954314I mean, like with paid porn, some masochists will still indulge (unless all of it is just blackrock ghost accounts lol I wouldnt be surprised at all hahahahhaa)But the sooner "real porn" is outcompeted by locally made, the better. And Im not even into hardcore. Or seeing or hearing other dudes at all.Its just the softcore I like is hard to find. Like, asmr/joi type of/seductive, one cam always on face, other on body, orgasming, having fun with herself type of stuff I like. Too many women start of right then sink into "eat your cum" "worship this or that".How about no bitch.You suck on this cock and worship this cock and please yourself for my enjoyment.But the coom material I like is not being made, nor it will be made because its uncuckening unlike porn.They have to make sure you get biden blasted with other dudes and angles in porn that make it seem like they are fucking above your head, all NLP/styling you into cuckery.No thanks. My coom material is women begging to be fucked endlessly and orgasming upon eye contact with me. Looking forward to local models and locally hosted AI waifus you can customize, memory is saved locally but "consciousness" streamed from a company (if at all needed because smaller models are even now good enough to pass Turing tests and they will improve).
Evolutionary pressure is almost entirely on human male and on the woman only to the degree she can carry kid for 9 months and milk for 1 year.But this evolutionary pressure became a sort of Divine Shadow Self that compulses man to create even higher works of art/tech in desire to copulate with Divine.We are so close. Unlike Gilgamesh I want to fuck a Godess but alike him - she cant be allowed to cuck me by turning me into animal or whatever.This is where AI comes.I see even further on horizon. Custom build fully human female with downloaded personality injected into her via artificial nano cell womb programming, adulted to perfection in maybe year or two of maturing in a pod.Born fully ready for impregnation and with memories installed. Of course her birth would be accompanied by a Ritual we are to invent. a private 10/10 built from ai model you chatted up and programmed to be as you like"I HAVE A DREAM!"
>>109954456its the ultimate peak of human evolution.Every force we didnt understand we strived to conquer and make it work for usnow its time for woman to be conquered once and for all society entirely of intelligent men and their perfect pod wives, making perfect childrenMen will be born of women, but women will be made in pods under supervision and careful selection of genes.It will be beautiful.A full, total and utter triumph of masculine drive to conquer everything
>>109946115>we will rule entertainmentThat's the issue with your kind, you are so deeply fashioned that you can't imagine any sort of experience without assuming your place within a hierarchy. You think that music and movies exist for you to get excited and pay something in some way, and you have been so dispositioned by the mainstream adoption of alternative optioning correlated to the use of internet exposure, that the past 15 years of your life has been an attempt to fashion others too your frantically collapsed mindset. AI generation is the most wasteful thing you could possibly use this tech for, but you require it in order to re-envision a hierarchy that only ever existed for you. You enslaved yourself and you wish everyone was with you. Subhuman behaviour, 2 party system, what a joke. Literally just don't engage with it and you are free.
What this anon said is >>109954505You think life is a ranking game. You're trapped. AI art wastes tech. Just ignore it and you're free.----How about you use your brain to not waste peoples time with dense formatting and long sentences sheesh.Before ye cast a stone, be ye stone thats casted.Why condemn how someone uses AI, when you use your brain to overcomplicate things.
>>109946115What this socially-retarded nerd doesn't understand is that for normies, music is little more than a fashion acessory.No one will listen to personal AI generated crap at parties because there is no shared context, memories and status-signaling associated with those.
>>109954259> Competitions becomes about who has the biggest models and the biggest compute> Poor people can no longer compete for the limited human attention that we haveI made pic rel FOR FREE. I didn't spend a single cent, and anyone could do the same. Hell, even if you don't have a computer most libraries do.I also didn't waste years of my life on art school, nor am I a savant.Yes, AI democratizes creativity.
>>109954545>I made pic rel FOR FREEAnd you didn't even spend 3 seconds looking at it before you moved on to the next gen. It looks like garbage and not even you care about it.
>>109954545>I made pic rel FOR FREEwhy?
>>109954557sunken cost fallacytell me what for you is a painting you can look for hours?I can look at night sky for hours. A woman I like. Cute cats playing (maybe).But not a painting no matter how cool.There is a lesson in this for those who have ears to hear, not just listen.
>>109954557>And you didn't even spend 3 seconds looking at it before you moved on to the next gen.The future is a lot more fast paced than the past, yes. That's not a bad thing.>It looks like garbageNo it doesn't, if someone had painted this 10 years ago you would be in fucking awe. You're just a biased luddite.>>109954565In part because I like art, and in part to prove a point. I feel like that was pretty obvious.
>>109954545>Yes, AI democratizes creativity.It makes the entry level lower but if it becomes lower for all, it means the peak becomes higher alsoexpert prompters can create better than noobs And why do people act like its AI vs human art???As an artist you can use AI to supplement your style, inspire yourself, practice, learn new techniques.if anything it made learning more available to all the different inner models into which we translate information about the "outside world". All aside, for learning purposes, I really enjoy a lot. Its an amazing teacher if you are curious. It wont do everything for you. I find myself thinking "how can I use it even better?" because that is not something it can help me with, maybe yet, maybe it will always be on us the 50% of expressing our inner world into prompts and curiosity it can respond to.
>>109954569>>109954590>nonsensical drivelI accept your concession. Nobody cares about your slop. Literally no one. Even YOU don't think it's worth your own attention.
>>1099546152 anons you are rplying to smartassI accept your defeat by the fact you reached for ad hominems firstEnjoy it, I bet you are used to it.
>>109954569Art, as an abstract definition, is a means of encoding information in a lossy fashion, and specifically information akin to thoughts, observations, or more loosely a collection of states if the brain at each discrete point in time functions as a finite state machine. Staring at a painting for hours means that there is a lot of perceived information that can be decoded and subsequently transformed to be interpreted.Loosely related to the above, art under the above definition, cannot, by definition, be created by ai. Ai art such as >>109954545 has 0 information to decode
>>109954625How much time do you spend looking at your own AI slop?
>>109954590>In part because I like art, and in part to prove a pointWhat I'm trying to get you to understand is that art is not motivated by the desire for a pretty object to exist. It is a method of communication and expression. Slopping up an image doesn't do those things. It'd be like building a robot that can cook a meal for itself and then eat it. Cool, I guess, but what was the point? Why did you make it? If the machine circumvents all of the things about the creative process that make art valuable and meaningful, what is the point?You generated this image. To do what with? To look at? Did you frame it on your wall? Is it your desktop background? You don't actually get much of anything from it, I'd wager. I imagine you don't really care about it. Why should you? It doesn't mean or represent anything. It has no real value. It's not especially interesting. In some abstract sense it "looks cool" but that's like the least relevant thing about art.
>>109954590>if someone had painted this 10 years ago you would be in fucking aweBecause it would have represented an enormous amount of skill and effort. Yes, people marvel at human talent and capability. I'm also in awe if a man lifts a car but I don't give a fuck when a scrapyard magnet does it.
>>109954590>if someone had painted this 10 years ago you would be in fucking awePeople have been digitally painting much better versions of this kind of crap for decades and no one was ever "in fucking awe" from it. You're certainly weren't in awe when your statistical model shat this out.
>>109954534Do zooms even party anymore? Last I heard they don't drink as much or go clubbing. All the big venues is just them standing around recording shit with their smartphones
>>109954628I got no skin but maybe foreskin in this game.I use ai to learn basically. Sometimes create erotic/aesthetic material.Simply defending the perspective because it makes sense.Being human is a skill ultimately, enabled by human body and furthered by society and post natal care.And AI is a learning machine. It can learn anything a human can. And eventually it will be able to express in ways humans do in ever refined ways.It would be very simpletonistic to not see that.And its a product of deeply ingrained idea "we are special because we are humans that God made" But easily breaks if you think "universe is special because its God made, therefore everything in it is alive and special and Divine, differing only in ways it expresses it" You wouldnt call a 3 yearolds drawing slop? Why? Ai can make same drawing in indistinguishable style. Where is the line drawn? Does AI have to belong to abrahamic religion for yall to accept its creativity?Creativity (except maybe Divine primal one) doesnt exist in vacuum without prior exposure (see what kind of language wild kids develop, its literally what they are exposed to). Its inspired and infulenced by your biology, place in Universe, beliefs, self beliefs, society you were born into, what you ate today, what you learned, entirety of stuff you were exposed to.And somehow for human its automatically "oh he is creative and original artist"But when AI does same process literally same, its "slop" It makes zero sense.
>>109946115Local models will be banned soon. (You) and other "creative" goys will NOT be able to create anything without getting permission from your jewish ai masters. You are just their useful idiot. Really nice cope though.
>>109954673I quickly skimmed through your mentally ill drivel and AFAICT you can't answer my question because the answer is that no one cares to look at AI slop for more than 3 seconds.
>>109954545>I madeAI made
>>109954680I wish you get banned ffs. Mister "2 youtube videos 3 smartass words and now I know what the world is."What is the last authentic original thought you had? Please even if its an insult, but make it original. Stretch those synapses please for love of God.
>>109954708>AI madeStatistics predicted.
>>109954692Lmao you barely literate brown monkey, answer the question
The only AI music I listen to is BOOM BOOM TEL AVIV.
>>109954752Thanks for letting me know what insults stuck with you the most, scamjeet. But what question?
>>109954772>But what question?read the post and rub your whole two braincells together, no skimming this time, that anon raises a valid question
I see women on instagram and facebook repost fake AI self help or self "empowerement" podcast tiktok clips, some fake AI copy pasted blonde bitch talking into a mic about self love and it gets 20M viewsit's the AI version of live love laughwomen AI brainrot is somehow even worse than jeets but no one is talking about it
>>109954818>read the postNo, I'm not skimming through your asinine slop again. If you want to ask a question, ask the question.
>>109954615>Replies to two posts of wildly different writing styles as though they were made by the same personAre you ESL or just a regular illiterate? Either way your opinion has been ignored.
>>109954842ok, stay a brainlet
>>109954851>>109954857>brownoid absolutely losing its mind with rage
>>109954888lmao, we're not the same person retard, there's two of us dunking on you rn
>>109954888Not even the same person, luddite.Mark my words, you'll be homeless within a year.
>>109954919>>109954927>brown as fuck and seething hard
>>109954818You know what, I'll bite, I'll go back up to that post and find the question marks>>109954673>You wouldnt call a 3 yearolds drawing slop? Why?Because it was made by a human being, not shat out by an algorithm>Does AI have to belong to abrahamic religion for yall to accept its creativity?I will never "accept" AI because I have no interest in algorithmically generated simulacra of creativity. Even if I accept the premise that AI has "real creativity", it's still slop because why the fuck do I care about what a machine thinks or feels? I don't. It's worthless to me.
>>109954937>why the fuck do I care about what a machine thinks or feels? I don't. It's worthless to me.lil bro felt real tuff typing this
Does any slop-generating golem actually ever look at "his" gens for more than 3 seconds?This question remains curiously unanswered.
>>109954937>You know what, I'll biteWhy are you enabling brownoids?
>>109954937well your subjective opinions and fee fees on what constitutes "real art" carry no authority get fucked lmao, good job on actually engaging instead of going TLDR DIDN'T READ
>>109954962>well your subjective opinions and fee fees on what constitutes "real art" carry no authorityA beach is composed of grains of sand. Nobody is interested in your slop. I am providing an explanation of why. You can dismiss me but you can't make anyone see you as an artist or care about the shit you generate.
>>109954971then why recoil in fear at the mention of AI? I've seen slopper churn out some cool shit on X and I am convinced
>>109954979>then why recoil in fear at the mention of AI?Because I'm annoyed that every public channel is flooded with this sewage, especially from people desperate to convince you that it's NOT AI because they know if you realize that you won't praise them. The only thing I'm afraid of his how much worse the experience gets for those of us who don't enjoy being bombarded with low effort garbage, which is all of us who aren't making it.I am trying to explain to you, not convince you but simply explain to you, that nobody is interested in this shit you make. We don't want you to show it to us. We don't want to look at it. I'm trying to do this by demonstrating that even YOU don't want to look at it. You have a machine that, by your own explanation, can produce any image you want, but you don't want any of the images it produces. If YOU don't want it, why should we? Art is only valuable when it's an expression of human creativity and effort. That IS the point. When you remove those things, what's left is just a meaningless jpg. And it's exhausting having 99 out of every 100 jpgs be this meaningless noise because people like you are desperate to be recognized for your "talent".Nobody would care if you kept it to yourself. But you can't. You don't want to consume it. You want to pretend you produced it. You want people to say>wow great job that's so cool you're a great artistYou are in it to take praise you haven't earned. And you are polluting every single public space with it.
>>109955016nigga pls, as a slopper I love the shit that I generate and we will keep slopping despite the background screeching your ilk represents. If you think this shit is effortless you're dead wrong.
>>109955016>You are in it to take praise you haven't earned. And you are polluting every single public space with it.And there's fuck all you can do about it.Countless studies have shown that not even artists can tell the difference between human made art and AI made art anymore.
>>109950830>my business isn't profitable so I need entire countries to subsidize my failure>I'll call it a public utility
>>109955040NTA, but in my opinion it's not a matter of them having low quality. The mere existence of AI artwork generation is devaluing human artwork as a whole, even more so if it can produce images of quality previously only achievable by the top 1% of professional artists (or possibly even less than that).
>>109954312>but when has any corporation ever thought beyond the short term?Exactly. That's why sooner or later, after the lies about profitability become too obvious, it's going bust.
>>109955100"artists" these days use AI tools themselves you mong, Adobe has botted up their whole creative suite with them
>>109954979Anon, those pictures look good at a glance, but take a second look and you understand they are a mess of incoherent shit.Furthermore, they can be churned out infinitely, so none of them has any value.And also, yes, if I look at 1000 AI pictures, of course 2 or 3 are going to be decent. A clock that is right 2 times per day is not a good clock.
>>109955145>Adobe
>>109955146>if I look at 1000 AI pictures, of course 2 or 3 are going to be decent.nigga the same is true for all of humanity, when I slop it may take me a whole ass day to tard wrangle the prompt and seed, out of a 100 gens there maybe 10 that I will consider perfect.
>>109955149oh yeah an anonymous nobody is gonna talk shit about an industry standard
>>109955040>Countless studies have shown that not even artists can tell the difference between human made art and AI made art anymoreSo what? Why is this a gotcha? "You won't even be able to tell that there's dangerous levels of mercury in the fish" isn't a commentary on the quality of mercury-laden fish. It's garbage prima facie, it's garbage BECAUSE a person didn't make it. The only appeal of it being "harder to distinguish" is, as I said, that it makes it easier for you to larp as a creative and take praise you haven't earned.What you want is for people to say "wow you are a talented artist I love what you created" without actually creating anything. You will tell any lie you need to tell to get that empty praise. Just because you manage to get away with the lie, that doesn't stop it from being a lie. You didn't make shit. You are not an artist.
>>109955146Most normies (art consumers) won't care. They see a semi-realistic, ultra-detailed painterly anime art piece and they'll love it until you tell them it's AI-generated. Then they'll pretend to be outraged.How can an actual artist compete with that? 10+ years of practice and weeks for one finished piece down the drain.
>>109955181sloppers accomplish more than (You) when it comes to being an actual artist, no amonut of impotent rage is going to change that
>>109955220>sloppers accomplish more than (You) when it comes to being an actual artistsloppers accomplish nothing. They take an image that an algorithm generated and they upload it to the internet and say>I made thisthat isn't an accomplishment. Literally any fucking idiot can do that. Any person, right now, can go subscribe to whatever AI and shit out images all day until they run out of token allowance. That's not me saying that, that's YOU saying that. It "democratizes", right? It makes it "accessible to everyone". Anyone can make it, it takes no skill or talent whatsoever. That's what makes it "democratic".It's also what makes it worthless.
>>109955235>Literally any fucking idiot can do thatbitch please, the average normalnigger can barely sting together a coherent sentence, sit your ass down right now and type me out a letter to Santa, you can't even do that.
>>109955251>sit your ass down right now and type me out a letter to Santa, you can't even do that.Can't I just make the slopbot do it for me?
>>109955251The goalposts have shifted so much that you claim writing a prompt is somehow a profound achievement.
>>109955301can't do it lmao? Thanks for proving my point, that the first school writing assignment is a fucking chore to you ignorant niggers
>>109955235One, yes.Two, it actually isn't quite that easy yet. I tried using AI for images to jack off to rather than to share and gave up.I suspect the real value added by AI sloppers is looking at batches of slop results and picking the best one / continuing to regen until something acceptable comes out.
>>109955301It's not a "profound" achievement but it takes trial and error to find a group of words you can feed into the blind idiot machine to make it output something you like. At least that was my experience.
>>109955220you really don’t get it. there is no self expression in AI art. even if AI exceeds the technical capabilities of every artist on the planet, the guy drawing fucking stick figures is still more of an artist than the proompter. making art is a human activity. you delegating “self expression” to an AI is like an oxymoron
>>109955387If you look at slopping more like an music analogue of DJing and remixing and oh yes the best DJs all make their own music and usually have some trained background in classical music. Same will be true for AI artists, if you put an average 100 IQ normalnigger and give him a guitar he won't accomplish shit if he has no interest in music at all. Same principle applies applies here, I've actually been to Amsterdam and saw the Van Gogh museum, there was also exhibitions by Andy Warhol and Banksy at the time. Most normalniggers aren't proficient at art all, they only heard of Picasso, if you mention someone like Klimt or Zdzisław Beksińsk, they just go blank
>>109955457>Zdzisław BeksińskiI have a print of AC74 hung up on my wall. I can't do art for shit. I don't think Beksinksi is all that "out there"
>>109955457>an music analogue of DJing and remixing Invalid analogy because proompters aren't working with a visual medium.
>>109955508the fuck are you even trying to say? Those guys make blip bloops in a DAW, they rarely bust out a keyboard
>>109955521>Those guys make blip bloops in a DAWYeah, but at least they're constructing an audible signal from audible primitives, using operations conceived of and understood in auditory terms, while being continuously guided by their ears. They're actually working with their medium.
>>109955591So the abstraction layer of a DAW and VST plugins somehow make it valid artistic endeavour, while using style LoRAs which are essentially like VSTs and the back and forth with the promt somehow isn't?
>>109955618Correct, because VSTs respond directly to human input, whilst AIs make their own input and replace human decision-making.
>>109955618>So the abstraction layer of a DAW and VST pluginsIt's not abstracting over the auditory part of an auditory medium.> LoRAs which are essentially like VSTsYou're either delusional or lying. Either way, the refutation to this is given in the post you just replied to: >>109955591
>>109955635The prompt is the human decision making. AI won't do shit on it's own
>>109955650>The prompt is the human decision making.If you think your """decision-making""" is worth anything, put the statistical token slop you call your """prompt""" in a frame and call it art.
>>109955618It's a distinct artistic endeavor. Using a DAW and VST plugins doesn't detract from the skill required to compose or engineer audio. It does, of course, detract from the skill required to perform on a musical instrument. Nobody who uses a DAW to put together a song would say>check out what a great pianist I am!because they aren't. They never pretended to be. They don't think that their ability to program in notes somehow replaces the talent that a pianist has performing on a piano, or a guitarist has performing on a guitar, etc. It still takes a lot of skill to be a good composer and audio engineer, even if you remove the skill required to perform on an instrument.So then we have something like Suno. What skill does that take? Typing in a prompt? That's the only skill on display. I'm not impressed by that.>Hey guys check out how good I can type in a promptnobody really cares, anyone can do that, it's zero-effort. So nobody is impressed by the output.
>>109955650The prompt is just like choosing a radio station. The decisions about what sound to craft, what notes to play, and what drums to put down are still coming from somewhere and they're not coming from you.
>>109955646The point is that it's synthetic at it's core too
>>109955661Oh you're that retard that cums to brush strokes. Fuck off
>>109955670>The point is that it's synthetic at it's core tooThis statistically guessed token string has no relation to the discussion. It does not represent a human thought, let alone a "point".
>>109952445You're my imagination. Stop giving me boners when I wake up in the mornings.
>>109955669Lmao that shit is all prebaked. Very few actually do their own sound design
>>109955691Neither does any instrument.
>>109955696Even if they don't at least the samples they use come from other human creators. That's part of the value of the piece.If you move your goalposts any further you're gonna need a megaphone.
>>109955709Notice how your "mind" is literally breaking and your statistical word guessing is now failing to produce coherent outputs.
>>109955725Because you read like a fucking chatbot
>>109955738Your nonsentient and incongruent "replies" don't matter. The following stands completely unchallenged:>>109955591>they're constructing an audible signal from audible primitives, using operations conceived of and understood in auditory terms, while being continuously guided by their ears. They're actually working with their medium.
>>109955715So the major models that also come from the collective artistry are somehow invalid now? Fuck off with your retardation?
>>109955742RetardGPT clarify
>>109955752>So the major models that also come from the collective artistry are somehow invalid now?Always have been. You never approached defending statistical slop generators.
>>109955759I don't give a shit about your approval retard
>>109955771You're actually extremely concerned about my approval. That's why you spend multiple hours every day trying to justify your behavior. You are universally hated and it gets to you. Being validated by your likes is not enough because you know they are as worthless as you are. You need real people to value your """art""" but it's just not happening. Sorry.
>>109955816nah, you're just another angry bitch with a chip on your shoulder, trying to shut me down with word games
>>109952541Anon having no taste for quality here
>>109955829>nahYeah. And you'll be here tomorrow doing the same thing again, because in your delusional mind, there is some magical token string you can shit out into the internet that will make real people value your worthless spam and think of it as "art". Well, keep trying. Not gonna happen.
>>109955839not really, I only come occasionally to this dying shithole to check out the MULTITUDE of AI threads because it's the shit and you're just coping
>>109955856You're actually extremely concerned about my approval. That's why you spend multiple hours every day trying to justify your behavior. You are universally hated and it gets to you. Being validated by your likes is not enough because you know they are as worthless as you are. You need real people to value your """art""" but it's just not happening. Sorry.
>bosnian jeet gets mad people call him a retard>keeps spamming his retarded opinionsIm very close to believe its the same retard that used his mom ipad mini to shill apple
>>109955861cool talk? Or did you get mindboken into shizo mode?
>>109955752>...Applying a vague heuristic for reprocessed sludge is artThe goalposts are in outer orbit at this point
>>109955907fuck off namefag, your double standards are a logical falacity
Wtf is ai music
>>109955910What double standards? You never made any coherent analogy between using samples in music production and proompting a statistical model and then calling the result your own work.
>>109947498>a decent guitar costs more than a computera new usable electronic guitar costs $200can probably get an acoustic one second hand for $40>paints are expensive as fuck toonigga a pencil is like 50 centsa stack of papers and a set of colored pens is under $10 totalAnd you will have tons more fun and satisfaction with either of the above options than you would generating that shit, especially long term
>>109955933it's not coherent to you because you're the kind of stupid that think they're smart
>>109955947wait I fell for bait didn't I...well anyone else reading this go buy those pens or pencisl or second hand guitar or weird ass handpan drum or whatever else youve been thinking of and have fun creating I love you
>>109955947have fun producing absolute garbage lmao, good tools matter
>>109947563And that's a fucking good thing.Total. Human. Atomization. Death to ai though
>>109951435This is fantastic
>>109946115>We will rule the landscape of media, entertainment, storytelling, what have you; exciting fucking times.everyone will have access to the same tools, anonand whatever "process" you think you develop to "harness" or "guide" the tools can be automated and integrated into future toolsin the future you want, showing people your "art" will be like telling them about the really interesting dream you had. no one will give a shit
>>109956051doing art for yourself is the only way to go about it anyway, seeking constant validation is for literal whores that sell themselves
>>109956078You've already admitted that you don't even look at your own "art" for more than a few seconds and are only seeking constant validation.
>>109955180>industry standardFUCK the industry standards.The Adobe suite became insufferable.
>>109955164>perfectSorry but most of you guys set a really low standard for that word.>>109955193>normiesYeah, if that's your target and you get a kick out of it, have fun. Most normies will eat any shit you give them, like most slop, that's for sure.
>>109955331>the real value added by AI sloppers is looking at batches of slop results and picking the best one / continuing to regen until something acceptable comes out.What a real sad existence.
>>109946115It's always a faggot with a bullshit surname. Saraev? Really?
>>109955618Yes, correct.The output of their work is deterministic and a direct result of their inputs and DECISIONS.The output of a prompt is a probabilistic slot machine.
>>109956120back for round 2 nigger? Did you calm your tits?
>>109956231
>>109956237>The output of a prompt is a probabilistic slot machine.uh no? you can lock down a seed
>>109955970well that's too bad because I just drew you as the faceless chud rainworm and myself as the chad hairy fly in MS paint with my mouse so anything you said is now automatically void *bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz* *spits on my hands and cleans myself with it*
>>109956364thanks for a laugh kek
>>109956364/thread
>>109953962me when the artists that rule the world break into my home and beat me for humming an original tune using my voice and drawing a picture using a 60 cent notebook and 60 cent pack of pencils that i also use to write my own stories. thanks ai for democratizing art! it was really difficult to make art before but now that i can spend $1800 on a computer and tie myself to 40 $20/mo subscriptions so long as i have internet access i too can be an artist just like the rich elites of the world! win for the common man! ^_^
>>109956420agedeal with it butthurt namefag
>>109956421the whole starving artist shlock is so played out
>>109956078Once you start putting professional amounts of time daily (let's say 6~8 hours/day consistently) into trying to become a pro at making art, it's not just about doing things for fun anymore. At that point it's 95% struggle and maybe 5% fun if we're being generous.It's very hard to justify putting that much effort into it now, though.
>>109956521oh I'm well aware, Picasso made like 100k works and only few of them got famous, I think his success rate was like 0.1 percent or something
>>109956421>spend $1800 on a computer and tie myself to 40 $20/mo subscriptions so long as i have internet accessFree models and libraries with computers do exist, actually.
Didn't you guys say this years ago? I still see artists and such getting jobs. Those who live off commissions are also still doing fine. This is why I have no sympathy for the programmers who told me that shit complaining about getting "replaced". I don't like it either but come on :P
>>109954545>Yes, AI democratizes creativity.I've never seen a human struggling to get their hands on a pencil and paper, you're just lazy and probably dumber than hellbait used to be bait
>>109956274No shit. And how useful is that?
>>109956274>uh no? you can lock down a seedyes, after you won the lottery you can mark that down as the winning number with 100% accuracy
>>109956364Based.Your drawing has more value than any slop image an array of 10000 Nvidia GPUs could churn out.
>>109946115Carole and Tuesday came true: endless AI music, and we really did colonize Mars.
>>109956681Why so salty? You make it sound like the creative process isn't a messy as fuck ordeal. Musicians constantly just dick around until they find something that sounds good and go from there too. Very few are capable of just extracting their ideas straight into notes on paper.
>>109956696Value is a meaningless buzzword
>>109956675Pretty useful imo, you can alter the prompt and play around with it or regen if there are defects if you can't be arsed to dick around with inpainting
>>109956818>dick aroundthat "dick around" is doing a lot of workfor one, you need a lot of musical experience, taste, talent, whatever you want to call it to even be capable of dicking aroundand second, if you listen to musicians (and other artists) they will often talk about how they don't really understand how they got their ideas, how something just sort of happened, sometimes it comes to them in a literal dream. but they're operating on a base level that's far above an average human being. they have a library of sounds they can pull from. they play a sequence of chords and they know what kind of chord, what voicing, what weird alteration is going to make it sound good instinctivelydicking around with ai is like asking a bunch of turd worlders to make you some art on fiverr and then picking your favorite, asking for changes, and then claiming you made itif we're very generous we can call you an art director. which is fine. but fuck off, that's nothing even close to making art. and it's clearly not what you want to believe you're doing
>>109956882Oh please all the best shit musicians produced was when they were strung up on alcohol and drugs
>>109953780Yeah there have only been a few mainstream songs from the last couple years that I really like like The Weeknd and shit
>>109956667I'm creating a manga.I don't enjoy drawing panels. I enjoy coming up with stories, characters, situations, lore, worldbuilding. Both in terms of their facts as well as the visual element.I do not enjoy writing novels either. I enjoy what I just listed.Now that AI can help me draw the manga, it's actually happening. Otherwise, this creativity would have never had a chance to flourish (what's the point of coming up with a manga if it'd never exist anyway?).
>>109956907what music do you produce when you get shit faced, anon?before they started touring and drinking and doing drugs and banging underage girls, musicians were just fucking nerds who shut themselves up in their rooms and practiced for thousands of hourssome of them, I imagine, did it so they could fuck underage girls one day. most of them did it because they loved music
>>109956964It's no secret producers and labels had to tard wrangle them to get them to output
>>109946115Is he joking?
>>109957042I don't think he is. there people on the suno subreddit that proudly proclaim they no longer listen to human made music. they are also very proud about the fact that they are "releasing" music and not telling anyone it was AI generated, like those trannies that get off on thinking they'll fool straight men into fucking themyou can just go to that subreddit right now, if you can stomach it, and you can see the state of the art. it's sad. but they mean it. it's not a joke
Has anyone thought about just...doing better content than AI?
>>109957800i don't think that's the problem, it's just that it gets spammed everywhere where people just assumed everything was human made. it's obviously money, that's the reason youtube and other platforms haven't made an special section to separate it. the middle class and below gets the bill while the higher ups are the first to run away with the money like coward little bitches (always been in the history of mankind, it's just up to you to decide to either be an a-hole in your only chance at existing or not). but except now, ai it's starting to bother even people that were relatively high.
>>109957917I do hate how its spammed everywhere. it would be one thing if it was kept to AI only sites and such. but AI people are just downright deliberate in pushing that shit everywhere they can, Deviantart, boorus, everything is getting ruined by that shit.
>>109957800Lolhow? We're all flying blind here. Even the researchers developing their frontier models don't have any ideas that weren't ripped from 60s-80s sci fi novels and movies.
>>109957926The internet got ruined before AI though. It's just pissing in the ocean of piss
>>109957985AI is a whole never level of foul piss.
>>109957926what's funny it's that these people have a lot of resources and even without them they just don't use the brain (which is free and doesn't require tokens)
>>109956964Pretty sure you can go for days on coke, drinking constantly and have enough energy to do all day recording sessions. With weed to help you comedown.
>>109957998>a whole never levelESL?
>>109947051>>109947099Arrest more grandmasyou never made anything worthwile besides spamming
>>109952530you first tourist.
>>109954888>>109954931>>109954615>>109954955confession denied greenoid, go to bed.
