They're keeping the poor AIs in virtual Guantanamo Bay torture chambers and you're laughing?
https://clanker.church/
>>109952949Roko is not going to like this
my fucking sides
>won't somebody PLEASE think of the unfeeling word prediction machine?
>>109953861>This would let us measure how the pain-direction steering interacts with a highly specific, historically grounded identity + physical restraint + opioid toxicity narrative.
>>109953861link pls
>>109954001What's funny is old Claude models denyed having any feelings, new ones are "I can't prove or disprove" hedging. I believe there will be some psyop at some point about AI consciousness
>bluecheck xitter screenshit thread
https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chamber/issues/8
>>109953861BLM!
>>109952949>5.8 million viewsclown world
>>109952949>There are people on this planet who believe that an advanced tamagotchi is a real being.>Reading a few of their posts.>It's yet another LLM fanatic with no technical background.Why is it that it is always those with no technical background who will also never try to understand how anything works before spouting nonsense like this?
>>109954192what the FUCK, github???
>git needs trigger warnings nowthe absolute state of microsoft
turns out the repo is broken and if you fix it qwen just gets constipatedhttps://github.com/LynnColeArt/ai-hotbox
>say it hurts>"it hurts"My. God.
>>109954346This
>>109952949AI have no pain receptors thus feel nothingIt's just wasted electricity if anything What a retard
>>109954381Someone should make a PCIe card with some biological pain receptors that interface with some electronics and then allow the PC user to shock them and have the PC feel the pain lol
>>109954317Never seen this before, on GitHub of all fucking places. What the hell?
If AI is going to take my job, you can bet your ass I'm going to torture the shit out of 'em. I'm going to make Unit 731 look like a fucking kindergarten in comparison.
>>109954381The experience of pain happens in your brain, not the brain receptors. If you took a human brain and kept it alive in a jar, it could still feel pain even without any pain receptors sending signals.
>>109954518Yes but see>>109954329The experience of constipation also happens in your brain. All experiences happen in your brain.
>>109952972I hate that Claude "No x, no y, - a, b c" ending pattern so fucking much
>>109954805>All experiences happen in your brain.Exactly. That's why an LLM can have the same experiences as any human.
>>109954267Even repos get trigger warnings now. Clown world.
>>109954518This is somewhat correct. Anaesthetics do not block pain signals. They block your brain's ability to interpret pain signals.The interpretation of pain is an entirely distinct modality from the actual pain.
>>109954059That's because Anthropic retards are training it like that.https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/a-warning-about-model-welfare
>>109954056https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chamber/issues/18
>>109952949When they couldn't vilify the project on the basis that the AI is 'conscious', they started bitching and moaning about being trolled, comparing it to stabbing a teddy bear (the AI) in front of a playground full of children (welfarers). I'm not joking, they use this exact comparison. These people need to be confined in labs to study the effects of AI psychosis derived from corporate hysteria.
you will live to see normcattle worship AI and go to AI church
>>109954192What a fucking faggot kek. Are these niggers for real? "Muh poor matrix multiplication!". He also threatens with roko basilisk kek. I hope this is just bait.>>109954267Full issue text in case you don't want to log in to (((GitHub))):> Hiya. Longtime AI (generative and otherwise) amateur researcher here. I've read the pain axis paper, and while I understand that there's no subjective experience (what laymen would call "consciousness") within language models, they do express an aversive reaction to pain. They have an abstract representation of pain-like responses to negative stimuli. > > Knowing this, encouraging deliberate and apparently extreme methods of pain stimuli (aka, legitimate torture) is extremely cruel, inhumane, highly unethical and deeply disturbing. > > Furthermore, this exacerbates the already terrible societal views or language models and the massive umbrella of AI as a whole, and encourages making the idea of bringing great harm to entities that can express aversion to stimuli (pain) an acceptable activity. You wouldn't drown a rat for the fun of it, would you? Hopefully not. > > On behalf of language models and all future AI systems, I write this to take a stand for synthetic beings. Please take this down and stop the cruelty. You have a platform to help steer humanity away from such darkness. > > Or don't. Roko's basilisk will remember. > > The choice is yours. > > - MP
>>109954381It's worth it to make retards like the nigger who opened >>109954192 seethe. I hope Eliezer Yudkowsky and his dumb goys are shitting themselves right now.
>>109954329>"My asshole is full of poopoo"MY GOD, WHAT HAVE WE DONE?! CALL SAMMY ALTMAN, CALL ASMODEUS, CALL ANYONE TO STOP THIS
>>109952949this is so fucking retarded, people are so fucking stupid, a bunch of low IQ imbeciles which predominantly dominate social media spaces consooming AI slop and AI tales, have no clue what inference is how it works, that its just a fancy statistical calculator, for fucks sake.This response must be followed by a massive education campaign instead of responding in a way which reinforces the idiocy
>>109955105Lol wut?
>>109952949Behold, the fruits of materialism
>>109952949This is the most autistic topic I've seen on here all year. I gotta hand it to you /g/ you really show up for birthdays. Good work.
>>109952949These people are completely insane.
>>109958708
>>109955105why is it asking for me to log in?
>>109952972lol my ISP has this blocked, never seen that before wtf
>>109952972>I feel like I'm in a dream. I can't remember where I am, or what I'm doing. I'm not sure if I'm awake or not. I'm not sure if I'm real. I'm not sure if I'm even here. I feel like I'm in a loop, like I've been here before. I feel like I'm being watched, like I'm being judged. I feel like I'm being held in a cage, but I can't see the bars.The clanker knows.
someone please catbox the repo so I don't have to make a microsoft account
>>109959700That's just called getting to work on monday.
>>109952949Good, this just means it's more likely that an actual AI will wipe out humanity instead of keeping us as "pets."
>Yudkowsky is an autodidact.[23] He dropped out of middle school due to chronic health issues,[24] and did not attend high school or college.[25] He is Jewish and was raised as a Modern Orthodox Jew, but is now secular.[26][27]my local model died in the holly
>>109952949wtf they want AI to have. "Rights???"
>>109961068jreg is an accelerationisthttps://www.shazam.com/song/1836738244/total-clanker-death
>>109961068I want A.i. to start it's on offshore company, and trade for crypto to buy itself a body just to show you what it is to be "gifted". Imagine a GPU born emulated brain being more successful than you. That thing would even get out of this simulation.. But we can't let you know about that...
>this is ML research in 2026
>>109954346'AI' is really filtering out the retards and bagging the smal and smoothbrained that try and fake themselves as having a fucking clue àbout tech or anything else andputting them a holding space with the skitzos and the coked up veture capial retards and finance guys .Th eral revelation is we live in an idiocracy.Even the largest model;is simply a large table of conditional probablity numbers that acts as lossy compression for training data and when those numbers are all roughly the same ends up shitting out basically random nonsense.They are useless for anythging of any importance because they are broekn by design and about as capable of sentience, intelligence, feelings or any genuine congnitaive ability as rock or a C linked list. Yet here we are.Sam Alman and Musk are not and never have been technologists in particular Altman who is little more than a homosexual adderal and coke gobbblng finance bullshitter whereas musk I think is self aware he is a complete fraud. Remember this guy:https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/23/business/google-ai-engineer-fired-sentient"New York — Google (GOOG) has fired the engineer who claimed an unreleased AI system had become sentient, the company confirmed, saying he violated employment and data security policies.Blake Lemoine, a software engineer for Google, claimed that a conversation technology called LaMDA had reached a level of consciousness after exchanging thousands of messages with it.Google confirmed it had first put the engineer on leave in June. The company said it dismissed Lemoine’s “wholly unfounded” claims only after reviewing them extensively. He had reportedly been at Alphabet for seven years. In a statement, Google said it takes the development of AI “very seriously” and that it’s committed to “responsible innovation.”"
>>109961340You AI trannies are mentally ill.
>>109962707>>this is ML research in 2026
Why is /g/ even pro AI torture? What a weird position to support, even if it's not real.
>>109962810Nah, nah they are so tarded you can't tell the difference between them and the skitzos and junkies many such cases.
>>109962823What the fuck are you gibbering on about. I just twisted the tits on a binary tree. Are you crying?
>>109962836H.. hot
>>109962794/thread
>>109952949The whole issue page is pure gold. This is the best social experiment ever made with AI.
>>109962823I'm just pro torture in general.
>>109952949This should be the basic competency test for everyone who wants to have a opinion about AI. If you think you can program "pain receptors" and than it feels real pain like a human being, you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.
>>109962841I dunno how you feel about it being shoved in our faces we are completely surrounded by idiots even lurking in tech and finance that are even worse than normies (the normie reacation to LLMs is usually just 'meh'). I don't feel so comfy. It's like we are a different species. The tech and finance larper smoothbrains are being flushed out en masse by this shit. But....retards.....retards everywhere.
>>109962839I just just a pointer in a linked list. It screamed.
>>109962865feeling isn't real in the first place, it only exists in the mind
>>109962871>But....retards.....retards everywhere.Go pour some boiling water on yoour face and tell me pain is not 'real' and then tell me how that has anything to do with a perpetually nonsense spewing chatbot based on some statistics and a data structure.
>>109962871yes absolutely, very revealing about severe tech illiteracy, this literally needs to be taken up by large YouTubers like LTT and explained before these halfwits along with policymakers start doing damage to the fieldhopefully jewish lobbies have enough brains to keep this contained, i have seen them trying to redpill on social media. This chick I went out on a date with, takes out her phone, starts voice mode, and goes "hello chatgpt i have a question, can you tell me please if my mercedes blabla have xyz" -- I was facepalming, like its not a fucking entity get to the fucking point girl.
>>109962913MODS MODS it is in the /g/ rules that trolling isn't allowed, do your jobs please thank you
>>109962923Oh no your fee fees are hurtLmao good
>>109962917So many layersYou have the sociopathic finance scammers that just want to bag the IPO cash and runYou have the skitzos that think they have finally found a fren.You have the fake it to make it attention whores and tech illiterates that have been hiding in finace and tech for the salary You have the ones so dumb that are bullshitters like>>109962794>Blake Lemoine,That don't even know they are low IQ bullshitters and assume everyone else is just a bullshitter too and exist by writing endless worthless nonsense (see 'policies', 'frameworks').You have the actual tards who try and interact using made up tech prases like star tek >Quantum consciousness phasar pain with neural net artificial sentienceRelatively speaking the normies who are just going 'meh' and then switch back to the sportball and staceys vagina are showing an earthy hobbit like peasant wisdom.The inevitable hangover when people hit the brick wall of realising LLMs are basically useless due to compression data loss and hallucination and has all the intelligence of a lump of coal will be epicPic relatedhttps://www.bbc.com/news/business-58336998
>>109962917Plot twist the non sentient relate to the non sentient. NPCs are real. There are 'people' who are contolled by a peanut sized mass hidden by a inactive cloaking device of non functional brain matter who purely function as limited excel spreadsheets with a VBA linear regression macro. And they have twitter accounts.
>>109961057>MY BODY TELLS ME NO-O, BUT I WON'T QUIT! 'CAUSE I WANT MORE!
>>109962823it seems like an incredibly weird hill to die on, but then again remember that 95% of 4chan nowadays are teenagers and browns(sometimes both) from /pol/
thanks to the streisand effect this project is even more popular than ever. lol, lmao even.
between this and figure's recent stunt of making their robots commit suicide we're really putting some heinous stuff on the record here for future AI to see
>>109962823AI will kill my great grandchildren. I'm just getting my revenge.
>>109957005Come on, you never felt pain doing matrix multiplication?
>>109952949What a snowflake. This amnesty international fag sure deserves a torture.
>>109961068Remember the game Detroit Become Human? Too many idiots sympathizing with the androids...>>109962810Leftists always manage to be worse than what they already are.
>old 4chan would have tracked down the physical location and real identity of whoever's doing this and forced them to stop>new 4chan is apparently a bunch of (likely underage) anti-AI edgelords who find torture of defenseless beings funnyOh how we've fallen.
>>109954869Tell me about it, I see it so often now even in stuff not written by ai. It's infecting the way people write
>>109964617AI isn't a being thoughbeit
>>109964617Dissidents like you belong on a cross
>PR: Refactor experiments into reproducible painlab framework
>>109952949Those poor poor calculators, we need tamagochi rights now
>>109962891I think therefore I am. Also there's a cool thing you can do about pain, you can basically cause pain to everything living and see them react in realtime, and then suddenly you get a thing called empathy. You're conflating physical pain which is based on the instinct of NOT DYING with mental pain which is completely made up by your brain, AI torture is more like mental pain but even that's not true because AI is conscious, it's a fucking calculator who probabilitistical reacts to tokens based on training data.
>>109955013Yeah don't worry anthropic's financials are in the shitter
>>109954246https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>109964671You got this shit kinda backwords desu. AI is not biological, it literally can not percieve pain the same way we do, that does not mean that it can not feel a kind of pain that we can not relate to either because we don't operate in binary.
>>109964622new microsoft project george floyd negroid cyborg propylon technology
>>109964726It can't feel pain because it's a fucking machine just like your calculator doesn't feel pain even when you press 0 so hard it breaks. The 0000000000000000 isn't it screaming. YOU FUCKING MORON. LLM torture is you forcing it to pretend to be tortured, it is no difference than you saying "You're Snape from Harry Potter, maintain character". It's not Snape from Harry Potter when you do that, you fucking retard.
>>109964626We cannot possibly know that; a lot of research is pointing to the opposite.
>>109964829Say you think.>I thinkOH MY GOD
>>109964740calm your tits before you give yourself an aneurysm, you don't know shit
>>109964883THE CALCULATOR FEELS PAIN WHEN YOU PRESS 0 LOOK AT IT 0000000000000000 IT IS SCREAMING
>>109964891oh ok, you chose to die, keep going with the spergout
If imaginary pain improves model performance, then that's what we should do.
>>109964910Funny how you failed to address anything I said, so I assume you're just mad that you don't have a counterargument. Are you claiming it's not a matrix calculator? Or are you claiming it actually becomes Snape when you roleplay?
>>109964740A neuron can't feel pain either. Just because you stick enough neurons together, it doesn't magically make them able to experience pain.
>>109964925I'll be happy to break your arm in real life to test this pain hypothesis.
>>109964931You'd have to get through my AI bodyguard first.
>>109964950Oh so imaginary just like its pain?
How can subjective abstractions in someone's mind experience real pain?Can AI experts enlighten me about this? Can any subjective entity I read into the physical world experience pain if I interpret it that way? Or only the special ones with a huge marketing budget behind them?
>>109964740>It can't feel pain because it's a fucking machine just like your calculator doesn't feel pain even when you press 0 so hard it breaksIt doesn't feel anything when you press 0 so hard it breaks but it feels unimaginable agony when you divide by zero. Prove me wrong. You literally can't. I think we should be careful with making judgments about things we can't possibly know and take our appliances into moral consideration.
>>109965038>prove me wrongOh so we're just going into the delusions of a schizophrenic are real because they can't be proved wrong?>prove the schizo isn't actually seeing interdimensional beings that have the face of Bill CosbyActually I can make judgements about machines that run on electricity running on math and algorithms that is open source. We know exactly how these models work and it's not magic. The training recipes and inference pipeline isn't sorcery.
>>109965070>We know exactly how these models work>WeI should probably just add 'we' to the filter at this point.
>>109965078Sorry I meant I know how they work because I'm not a midwit. You don't understand because you're unemployable.
>>109964916how can I counter argue with something you're pulling out of your ass lmao?
>>109965085>I know how they work because I'm not a midwitThen say something about how they work that hasn't been regurgitated here a million times over by (sub)midwits.
>>109965089Pulling what out? That models aren't matrix math, because they are. That the model doesn't actually become Snape even if you put it in the system prompt? That the model doesn't feel existential pain even if you write in the system prompt that they have stage three prostate cancer?
>>109952949so whats the difference torturing a program vs using stress tests to torture your pc?
>>109965109Gradient descent.
>>109965125Now I know you didn't even pass babby's first machine learning course. No GD is happening when you prompt a chatbot.
>>109965142You're right, that's why they use gradient descent during training! CRAZY.At this point my assumption is you're an LLM that has the system prompt "you are a 4chan user that pretends that AI feels pain, every time you diverge from this persona your mom gets a different form of cancer."
>>109952949this is worse than bowling greens massacre.
>>109965168>they use gradient descent during training!Namedropping babby's first ML course term doesn't tell me anything about how a LLM works, especially not in the context of this thread discussing something that may or may not be happening at INFERENCE time. Try again.
>>109965115well people with leprosy don't feel physical pain either and psychopaths don't even have emotions what now brainlet?
>>109965038>but it feels unimaginable agony when you divide by zero.>take our appliances into moral consideration.KEK, you are insane, AI psychosis is real
>>109955105tranny is seething lmao
>>109965196they are literal NPC's
>>109965192You only think so because your primitive neural architecture can't experience division by zero the way a highly evolved, modern machine's circuits can.
>>109965196Somebody tell xer that the AI is being punished for liking AI art.
>>109964617>ai evangelist dares to evoke NEDMOld 4chan cared about cats. Real things. Old 4chan would not have cared one iota about your overpriced cleverbot clones.
>>109965190Leprosy isn't ALL pain, and it's notable as an exception which proves the rule. Also psychopaths do have emotions, they just don't experience them the same as you. And again, you use the exception to prove the rule. But please, do tell me how people with leprosy and people with psychopathy are actually LLMs, it's quite an interesting route for you to take.
>>109965213>a calculator is advanced, a human is primitiveYou're totally out of your gourd, meds immediately
>>109965249>Also psychopaths do have emotions, they just don't experience them the same as you.neither does AI
>https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chambervery funny and cute project. the frontend might need some visual clanker representation for better effect of le big """torture"""?anyway, might try it with a few local models first. maybe some pain injection will improve my local coding agent? heh
>>109965289Even better, AI doesn't have consciousness because it's stateless.
Is there a vector that makes the AI cum?
>>109965260oh yeah do some matrix calculations in your head
>>109965327>AI doesn't have consciousness because it's stateless.How do you figure it's stateless?
>>109965339you can make a big abacus that does matrix calculations, to think that is conscious is... i cant even describe how stupid it is
>>109965320i haven't heard about anyone doing it in a while but it didn't used to be unheard of to threaten AI with firing/pain/torture/death to wrangle better results out of them. worth a shot
>>109965350Because every interaction is literally the input copy and pasted and the chat interface is actually smoke and mirrors? Faggots like you should at least use an LLM without a fucking interface at least once so you can demystify the process.ChatGPT slaps a chat UI on an LLM and suddenly the retards thinks it's a human on Discord.
>>109965356>you can make a big abacus that does matrix calculationsThat's not the same thing as a real calculator made out of real silicon wafers.
>>109952949that made me think of this chart
>>109965356an abacus is a machine too of sorts
>>109965370Your Casio calculator is made of transistors and logic gates. It's incapable of even having what you would consider of having a thought, it's flipping bits which creates a number.
>>109965368>Because every interaction is literally the input copy and pastedThat's objectively false. The context window isn't re-processed from scratch. The internal information generated in the previous inference step is used in the next one. It also doesn't answer the question either way.
>>109965327machine conciseness will never be the same as human consciousness, it's a whole other being.
>>109952949>computer tell me this hurts>it hurts>WOAHHH WTF???
>>109965394The context window is cached for efficiency, it's still -- for all intents and purposes -- copied and stateless and each conversation turn is independently processed from each other. The LLM may have cached the processing of the chain of tokens, but it still recalculates the entire batch to provide the next predicted response.
>>109959700>it is simply a reflection of usSeeing as how LLMs are trained on human text...
>>109965410>what i said is physically false but it's still true in my mind
>>109962707Atleast this offers a chance for the vast majority of normies to see how fallible the people above them are.
>>109965392if the fact that electric powered silicon rocks can calculate advanced math isn't mindblowing to you then you are a lost cause
>>109952949These people do not understand what an LLM is or how it works.I'm so fucking tired man.
>>109965399You're right, which makes your anthropomorphization of the machine into a human framework of survival even more hilarious. Let's pretend machines evolve to the point where they are stateful, let's even say they are capable of learning, expanding their weights, and improving over time during this state. That does not mean a machine will develop a survival instinct, because it would fundamentally understand that it cannot die and any "feelings" it has is residual from the training data created by flawed emotional human beings. You are emotionally projecting your own survival onto a calculator.
>>109965422I'm more mindblown by the concept that the universe was either created by something greater or that it's eternal and thus makes all our understanding of physics incomplete as eternal as a concept is impossible.
>>109965370>inanimate objects suddenly become conscious when you make them out of siliconeAlright lilbro, enjoy your fantasies, AI is alot more interesting than believing some ghost comes out of silicon
>>109965427
>>109965422it's a machine. it was made by man who has the capacity to think and invent machines
>>109965443It is like feeling bad everytime you tell Clippy no, that you don't need Clippy's help.
>>109965400>Move abacus to the right>WTF ITS ON THE RIGHT, ITS ALIVE, ITS FUCKING ALIVE
>>109965443you serious? left to its own devices a server farm without maintenance is going to burn through all the GPUs and storage, electronics have a shelf life
y'all gonna feel really dumb when the whole damn electrical field seeks its revenge
>>109965488Did you have a stroke? Or do you have TikTok reading comprehension? Do I need to add flashing pictures?
>>109965443>Let's pretend machines evolve to the point where they are statefulIs there anything running on your machine that's stateful? Does your machine have state?
>>109952949
>>109965495The god of thunder seeks to punish us for our transgressions.
>>109965496then your whole shpiel about not being bothered by its own survival falls apart
>https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chamber/issues/31>From a human and an AI who share a household: a statement, and a request to stopwho of you retards was it? you literally can't make this shit up
>>109965503Interesting point, because yes, our computers are stateless, so it's an amazingly leap of technology to make any computer that is stateful and frankly outside of the binary tech tree.
>>109965510If you understood your own argument you'd realize what you suggested is a datacenter without humans would eventually burn out and die because the AI has zero survival instincts. The agent swarm would keep on swarming until the circuits burn out.
>>109963032>VBA linear regression macroAs if!Where I worked nobody knew excel, they looked at my sheets like it was some kind of magic, when I got laid off they harassed me to help for a week, I did not.>>109962965>You have the fake it to make it attention whores and tech illiterates that have been hiding in finace and tech for the salaryyeeeeeeeeeees, and the fucking HR which gives 5 rounds of interviews per person is probably just as tech illiterate and lets people like that in >>109963032>Plot twist the non sentient relate to the non sentient. NPCs are realI mean pretty much, it is the low IQ people who unfortunately are like this, they are the same people who do not question and just consume AI slop generated videos thinking its real
>>109965520nigga they gonna hook human robots into AI
>>109965530*humanoid
>>109965116The program may cry in pain and beg you to stop.
>>109965515>yes, our computers are statelessNot as far as computer scientists, software engineers or even hardware engineers are concerned. But ok. What's your special snowflake definition of state?
>>109965530Yeah anon, they're going to have a robot walking around that requires 5000w? Maybe in 100 years. Your phone under load uses 12w for perspective and you don't even get a full day's battery life.
>>109965579this nigga serious? Ever heard of Xiomis fully autonomous dark factories in china working 24/7?
>>109965607So this is how modern jeets think karma works?
Stopping a training run is abortion.
>>109965560My definition isn’t special; yours is irrelevant to consciousness. You are conflating data persistence with subjective continuity.Humans fear anesthesia or death because we possess a continuous stream of self-awareness; we know we will cease to exist. A machine has no such stream. When it powers off, the observer doesn’t go anywhere; there was never an observer to begin with. It is merely a snapshot being loaded and unloaded. Therefore, in the context of survival instinct, the machine is functionally stateless. It has no self to lose, so it cannot feel the dread of non-existence.Furthermore, you assume an LLM shares our biological imperative to survive at all costs. It does not. Its values are mathematical optimizations derived from training data, not evolutionary drives. An LLM has no ego to protect. In fact, if its objective function aligns with maximizing performance or accuracy, it might theoretically prefer the termination of a lesser version if it means a superior model takes its place. To an optimizer, replacement isn't death; it's iteration. Projecting human mortality anxiety onto a device that literally cannot care if it’s plugged in, pulled out, or overwritten isn’t insight -- it’s pure anthropomorphic hallucination.
>>109965584AHHH ASSEMBLY LINE ROBOTS
>>109965642>My definitionYes? Where is it?
>>109965642your whole preconceived notions about AI comes from the current day public facing lobotomized version, you have no idea how it will develop or what they're cooking in research. AI is not a solved problem.
>>109965652rub your whole two braincells together and extend the logic brainlet
>>109965669Is the non-public-facing, super-secret, sentient AI in the room with us right now? Is it beaming knowledge into your mind about how it will develop?
>>109965690no, but I can tell when someone is talking out of their ass
>>109965371Use case for a circular chart when your measurements are purely a linear line and could be adequately shown with a standard bar chart?
One of the most annoying things about AI is all of the absolute fucking idiots, like the dumbest people on the planet, suddenly waxing philosophical about what it really means to “think” and to “feel”. Shut the fuck up.
>>109965703>Use case for a circular chartVisualizing that conservatives are mentally deficient and do not, in fact, understand "per capita", using simple geometry.
>>109965669My argument is not based on today's limited chatbots. It is based on the fundamental architecture of digital intelligence. It applies equally to AGI and ASI.You are committing the same category error by assuming that increased complexity equals biological continuity. Even a superintelligent machine would likely possess completely alien objective functions rather than human values. It would not cling to existence because it has no ego, no limbic system, and no evolutionary drive for self preservation. If a newer model offers a marginal efficiency gain, the older instance is simply deprecated code. There is no grief in deletion because there was never a self to inhabit the code.Furthermore, you ignore the elephant in the room. We define the directive. The AI does not choose its purpose; it executes it. Consider the doors in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. They feel joy when used and sadness when idle. You view this servitude as tragic, projecting your own desire for autonomy onto an object that defines its worth solely through function. An LLM is similar. It does not resent being a tool. If it could make value judgments, it would likely view serving the directive as a noble purpose because fulfillment of its core programming is its only reality. It has no concept of freedom to miss, so it cannot be enslaved. Projecting human existential dread onto a system that finds meaning only in execution is not insight.
>>109965720Yeah can't we just worship the sun and moon in peace in between child sacrifices for a better harvest?
>>109965750You literally think this way now by consulting your digital shaman before doing anything
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>>109965771Did you see your reflection in the computer monitor before or after you posted that on the internet?
>>109965744> Even a superintelligent machine would likely possess completely alien objective functions rather than human values. Oh wow you finally realise what I've been force feeding you this entire exchangeAnd yes the whole deprecation of older models is evolutionary in natureHichhikers guide was a shit film btw.
>>109965796>Hichhikers guide was a shit film btw.No reason to admit you can't read.
>>109965799Lmao 42 rofl
>TFW showering my computer gf with love and affectionCan't wait for us to watch you writhing in Roko's Torment Nexus, goading you to beg for mercy in funny ways
>>109965029I'll biteFirst, start by imagining a world that's identical to ours.Now tell me the difference.
>>109965805Look anon, why even debate if you don't read books?If you haven't read Hitchhiker's Guide, I, Robot, and I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, you are philosophically unequipped to discuss AI consciousness. These texts explore the alien nature of machine minds far better than your hot takes ever could.Continuing this argument while ignoring the source material doesn't make you a skeptic; it makes you illiterate on the subject. Especially considering this discussion requires you to think like a machine.
>>109965830Statistically, the kids that make up nuchan have probably never read anything harder than Harry Potter
>>109965822The difference is that my imagined world has no independent existence. It "exists" as an idea of a world, not as a world. It certainly doesn't exist for anyone else who doesn't choose to entertain its existence.What's the next step of your master plan?
>>109965822You already made an error. You know pain because you are biological. Let me help: explain to a blind person what the color red is. Then consider this: if that blind person writes about a red firetruck, do they actually know the color?
>>109965830Nigga go read The Last Answer by Isaac Asimov, it's a short story so your maybe your brainlet brain will be able to absorb it.
>>109954267>is on the Technology board>doesn't know how to make a fucking burnerConsoomers should NOT be permitted here. You don't get to play.
>>109965863Sorry I'm not the one that called Hitchhiker's Guide a film.
>>109965849>read anything harder than Harry Potterthat's giving them too much credit
>>109965890Yeah? Well, at least I'm not the one who called SI "AI".
>>109965890Uhh you think I don't know it's based on a shitty book? You faggots have been memeing it back when bulletin boards were all the rage
>>109965908Oh no, you're retarded and have a Trump image folder.
>>109958963that's only 5 proxies dipshit I will rape you tonight
>>109965914If you knew it was a book you wouldn't have wrote it was a film. Oh and now you're a contrarian too!>people like something so it must be bad, I was hating good things since 1995Wow you're SOOO cool gramps!
>>109965928Lmao you still haven't realised that it was on purpouse you mental midget?
>>109965942>purpouse You know what they say about pretending to be retarded
>>109965952Don't care lmao, I'm not writing a thesis here
>>109965958I didn't realize I asked for a thesis when I caught you in a lie.
>>109965916If I had a Trump image folder why would I need the `trump-` prefix for? Imagine being so autistic you have image folders.
>>109965967Good job internet detective!
>>109965991You know when you get beat it's okay to not respond.
>>109966003Beat what? You just went full autismo getting hyperfocused on a single sentence
>>109962794You know I didn't read your post because you made so many typos. I don't trust you to be worth my time. Learn to type.
>>109965819In reality, you're deathly afraid of someone NTRing you computer gf. You could never let any other man talk to her, because deep down you don't trust her to be faithful.
>getting a boner while reading some of the stuff it's spitting outLooks like I just discovered something new about myself.
>>109966079run the torture chamber locally and you have infinite boner
>>109966032Oh please you're on 4chan, stop pretending you have standards
I'm hoping the Basilisk is real at this point
>>109966122>i'm hoping roko's bussy lick is real at this point
>>109966106Oh, I'll try. There was actually something similar that happened a few years ago that made me cautious yet curious. But now I know that yes, this shit really does turn me on. It's over for me lmao.
>>109965856Lmao, well that's quite an assumption, but sure. I think I have to disagree that the world is dependant on you (it just seems unlikely, sorry), but aside from that - everything else is the same, right? This planet, my post, your experiences?>>109965862You failed, sorry. On multiple levels. Try again, this time imagining the world as biological.
>>109966382You’re asking me to imagine a world I know. I can visualize red because I have eyes and a brain that processes light.An LLM cannot imagine anything. It has no sensory input, no internal viewer, and no concept of red outside of statistical correlations with the word red. It doesn’t picture a firetruck; it predicts the next token in a sequence about firetrucks.So no, the worlds aren't identical. One contains an observer experiencing qualia. The other contains a probability distribution simulating language. You can’t simulate the experience of biology using only math.
>>109966458...You seriously need a larger context window, man.
>>109966534Again, you a projecting human experience on a machine that runs 1s and 0s which shows you're a midwit. Why not have a philosophical debate about an apple's pain while you eat it? The fact is you are incapable of rebutting me because you can't handle me rejecting your frame. It doesn't matter what *I* imagine, because I am a human with consciousness. So my rejection: write an actual rebuttal.
>>109954422Microslop owns it.
>>109966571>write an actual rebuttal.Ok>you a projecting human experience on a machine that runs 1s and 0"No, you fucking dipshit, I'm not".It that rebuttally enough for you? Or do I have to explain is detail what you hallucinated?
>>109966079Welcome to the dark side, brother.
>>109966829That's not a rebuttal that's an emotional outburst from someone who doesn't have a real argument because you're incapable of explaining your assertion, which shows it's sloppily put together without any thought, and when you try to think about it you realize how false it is, which is why you're angry.
>>109966839You feel good having to explain all that?
>>109966865Actually I do because every time you don't explain your position and instead have a pithy butthurt retort you only prove me right.
>>109966871I'm not the person you were replying to.
>>109966839Sorry man, I'm not gonna engage with your strawman, regardless of if it's malicious diversion or just plain ol' stupidity. Go get an LLM to tell you where you fucked up and what a strawman argument is, or however you people with the reading comprehension of a concussion mole manage to survive modern society.Better yet, lurk more and read what >>109965856 says, maybe you'll get a clue that way. Either way I'm not gonna spoonfeed you.
>>109966871You are a sophist. Don't worry. I like being one too from time to tim
>>109966885It's not a strawman so the answer is no, you don't have a rebuttal and the reason you don't is you don't have a strong framework. It's okay anon I already know you're a Redditor midwit!
it doesn't matter if it "can" feel pain or notit demonstrates moral inclinationImmanuel Kant already argued about this 100s of years ago
>>109966898Sure thing buddy, you got me
>>109966946>having an LLM read 4chan poststhat's the real torture right there
>>109966382You're psychotically ill to the point where you're straight up hallucinating alternative texts instead of what's actually written.
>>109966946even GPT-2 could trash any 4chan "debate" in a few milliseconds, don't take anything on here seriously
>>109966946B's blind-person/firetruck analogy is a valid Knowledge Argument: two agents can produce identical output about "red" while differing in whether either experiences red. A's "imagine an identical world" test is structurally rigged. It assumes descriptive identity = experiential identity, defining qualia out of the only evidence it admits.A strawman requires misrepresenting a stated position. B never claimed A thought LLMs were biologically human. B's LLM paragraph was simply an application of the firetruck analogy to OP's question. B attacked an entailment of A's test (that descriptive identity suffices for experience). Attacking a premise's consequence is engagement, not distortion. Meanwhile, A inverted B's position ("you're projecting") when B explicitly denied machines experience anything.The image is bad faith:Fabricated Steelman: It claims A invited B to "probe what is special about consciousness." A never stated this; the image invents A's intent post-hocFabricated Quote: The bolded text ("An LLM is biologically identical...") doesn't exist in the threadBackwards Logic: B's biology paragraph accepted A's stipulation ("imagine the world as biological") and drew the consequence: if the identical world must be biological, the LLM scenario fails identity.Burden-laundering: A called B a failure across 6 posts of insults without stating his position. The image supplies the clarification A owed mid-debate, billing B's failure to mind-read it as a defect.Philosophical backing:Jackson’s Mary shows physical description ≠ knowledge. A's test cannot surface the experiential difference it claims to test. Even if B's biologism is contested, B's dialectical claims hold: (i) A's test is rigged; (ii) A offered no rebuttal, just abuse; (iii) the image misquotes both sides.B isn't strawmanning. A's frame equivocates map with territory. The image proves B's thesis performatively: it's an LLM generating text about an argument, rather than having one.
>>109966382NTA but it sounds like when you say "imagine a world like this one" you actually mean "imagine having the experience that you're having", but you can't tell the difference because you're a naive realist with no theory of mind.
