Are they competing in AI or not?
>>109970165They're probably making censorship AI and other bots to police the world desu
why should we? usonian corps can't be profitable without us. they will make ai for us like everything else before. lel.
>>109970165The only thing they're competing in is bragging about how much carbon they're not producing because they don't have any gas or manufacturing.
>>109970165Mistral is based in France.https://mistral.ai/Black Forest Labs (developer of FLUX) is based in Germany.https://bfl.ai/
>>109970424so what you're saying is they're not competing
>>109970165They're corporate socialists, they don't compete in anything other than raping their own population
>>109970165no free speech and no fair usewhen they do ai then stuff that cant general talk or write
>>109970165Nvidia and AMD GPUs cannot be manufactured without Dutch EUV lithography technology from ASML. AI needs Europe.
the only 'competition' is in the heads of the american tax payer - put there by jewsthere is no race for ai similarly to how there was no race for electricity or internal combustion engines. no country 'won' and no country will 'win' ai. its a general purpose technology. there is a race for your shekels though. your wallets are being plundered and you're cheering it on
We're competing in incompetence if anything
>>109970165what's there to compete for? LLMs are primitive tech. you let americans train them, chinks steal them, and finally chinks hand them over to you for free. why would you bother doing anything?
>>109970165the market is set to avoid competition, who holds the ram and gpus?their only hope is competing for efficiency of the models, make them not require so many hardware resources, imo
>>109970165the EU and the UN are terrorist organizations.
>>109970165Nah, we will just buy all your AI companies when the bubble bursts.
>>109970165yes, they are competing in regulating it as much as possible so nothing ai ever comes from europe
>>109970165What is there to compete? There's no magic trick to LLMs, the basic tech has existed for a decade. There's no network effects, unlike for social media, and barely any moat for switching from one service to another. Anyone with access to at least a modest amount of compute can finetune or train a model, and we Euros have. See pic
>>109970165yeshttps://www.data-unplugged.de/en/blog/european-ai-models
They're too busy regulating and preventing small businesses to get anywhere and also love to keep energy unaffordable.
>>109970165if statistical model weights and architecture can be copypasted in one way or another, what is the point of wasting your own resources training them?
>>109971868so isn't it basically the competition which boomer retard burned through the most gpus?
What is there to compete over? Any AI can be copied. Whatever your AI is trained on can be done again. There is no moat, you can just train new AI over and over to be the latest and greatest. Only to be bested in the end. (probably by china) In the end when everybody has access to the 'best frontier model' it's value is zero.And that's exactly the prize at the end of this competition: nothing. USA wins nothing, and pays the highest price.
>>109970575>Dutch EUV lithography technology from ASML.You do realize that most of the manufacturing happens in the US, right
>>109970165lovable was in the race until they weren't
>>109970165The chinese give it away for free, why try?
>>109970165 they are making new laws to keep AI from destroying mankind and the planet just like they did with browser cookies
>>109971912b-b-but the mirrors bro. they are so smooth and they are made in Germany
The only thing they're competing in is an ethnic replacement speedrun.
>>109971912No?You just made that up.
nah europe is a service industry. it's mostly software, this is all dutch for example>Python>NixOS>Vim>DuckDB>PowerDNS
>>109970165>are they competing in hype bullshit made up by Silly Con Valley to milk your money and do more surveillance on you
>>109970165Mistral is in France, it has its own model and also hosts glm5.3
>>109972616>have to resort to hosting chink models because their own are atrocious
>>109972594https://www.asml.com/en/company/stories/2021/work-semiconductor-industry>Our lithography machines are assembled and tested in huge cleanrooms at our headquarters in the Netherlands, where most of our corporate functions are also located, but R&D, parts manufacturing and customer support happen all over the world.
>>109972324Europe should learn from americans.
>>109972626Yeah so probably most of the common electronic components are made in Asia, as usual, while a few critical secret ones are most likely made in Europe, like the optics.Nowhere does it say most manufacturing happens in the US. In fact assembly is manufacturing and that happens in NL.
>>109972649>probablySee, this is the problem. You think you know better when you in actuality have no fucking clue what you're talking about.Stick to LLMs, kiddo.
lul
>>109970165nobut dont worry we'll be here to help you rebuild america when your economy collapses>NVIDIA highest valued company in the US at 5 trillion >anthropic valued at 1 trillion>OpenAI valued at 850 billiontick tock
If Machine Superintelligence is coming then Europe is totally finished, if not then it's back to the decline as usual.
>>109972679kys migger fag
>>109972670Rebuild with what kekMutts may have a fake economy but you have nothing but geriatrics and niggersNo going into 110% of gdp debt to jews to build public gardens and put leds on cathedrals is not an economy
>>109972680No, I'm European. The best case scenario for us as it pertains to AI is RSI is not possible and R&D slows massively. We can then reap most of the fruits with much less investment.
>>109970165>Are they competing in AI or not?Is there even a difference?
>>109970165>Are they competing?No, their economy is languishing.
>>109972719>We can then reap most of the fruits with much less investment.Note: said fruits will go directly to governments and government officials.
>>109970165kek not even close. mistral is worse than free models
>>109972616Mistral also sucks
Can't buy Zeiss
>>109970165>Are they competingNo, they're trying to pretend they're building communism
>>109970165why would we, mutts frontier-labs will go bankrupt and chineses will release foss models for everyone to use, we just have to wait and we'll win in the end
>>109972896They host glm5.3 right now and for 60 bucks you can have an early subscription if you have a student email.
>>109971912>manufacturing>USYou fags can't produce enough missiles to bomb a shithole to the stone age.
>>109973041Shut up you rootless mutt.We have the cities with the highest pay in europe.
They can use the US and Chinese models without having to worry about funding them. If the US jew companies go tits up because Dario and Sam couldn't stop spending it on gay sex slaves, we just pivot to China
>>109973062That's less of a materials thing and more of a political "if I don't send troops I can pretend I never started a war during my presidency" thing.
>>109973064>Zurich>GenevaNon-EU>SF>Boston>NY>Chicago>LA ....
>>109973062>>109973064European "industry" is a joke. Anyone who wants to start a business there gets raped by taxes and 500 different bureaucratic forms
>>109971565This basically.
>>109973113Preferable to being raped by exploitative corporations
>>109973113By European standards, OpenAI wouldn't be able to buy 40% of the worlds production of wafers for RAM.
>>109970165Daily reminder that American companies are the entire reason why I can't buy a high end GPU, NVME SSD or even a NAS HDD for a reasonable price, and that the American president is the entire reason why my Diesel costs almost 2.50 per liter.Fuck America.
>>109973083Switzerland is 99% in the EU.They don't even check your passport when you go there.Once you step foot into Greece you can fly to Switzerland anytime you want and nobody checks you.Switzerland is more EU than Ireland.
>>109973127>he says while literally all EU tech regulations favor big corporations and make it unviable for anyone else to start a business--and that's a good thing!being a commie is worse than being brain damaged
>>109970165The EU knows what a happy human life looks like. The good life doesn't include SI. Innocence is a blessing.
>>109970165competing but not competitive
>>109973262Idunno Spotify is based in sweden and they seem to be doing allright
>>109973362spotify is the biggest music streaming site in the world. it is one of the "big corporations". The fact it's european is an anomaly, it doesn't happen much.
>>109971912>most of the manufacturing happens in the USTaiwan*
>>109972594To be fair, the science behind EUV is based on research conducted by the U.S. Department of Energy and disseminated by the U.S. based EUV LLC.
>>109973372you also have minecraft lmaothe truth is it varies from country to country, Ireland is a corporate tech hub because they give tax breaks and shit for hosting datacentres there
>>109970165They're competitive in creating regulations
>>109973504Are Germany and France the ones that go heaviest on regulation? That'd make sense
>>109973476Yeah true but they said it was impossible to do because of the precision needed to shot high energy Lasers at tiny droplets to compress them into the exact shape to make them emit EUV light and then focus and direct it onto the waver. ASML and Zeiss proved them wrong.
>>109973504>minecraftI didn't know Microsoft was a European tech company
>>109973766are you retarded on purpouse?
>>109973650True, ultimately EUV isn't an American invention or a European one. Its a western technology invented by the Japanese, refined by the Americans, and implemented by the Dutch and Germans.
>>109973534I don't know the specifics, but yeah germany is notorious for needing to go through regulation hell, so much so their own companies are moving shop to China
>>109973766Minecraft was invented in Sweden, Mojang is a Swedish company. Microsoft just bought it, because Microsoft never invented anything on their own.
>>109973859>Microsoft never invented anything on their ownThey invented embedding malware in websites (you're welcome). And NKRO membrane keyboards. Which they promptly got bored with and refuse to let anyone else use the patent.
>>109973883well they did slap together the NT kernel, because the shit they bough they managed to run into the ground into unusable state which culminated in Windows ME. The poor thing is still humming along powering layers of malware and keyloggers that was shat out poorly by jeets they hired.
>>109973958>well they did slap together the NT kernelNo they just bought VMS from DEC, including the devs. Those same guys invented NTFS under the direction of Microsoft, but then Bill kicked their ass to the curb before they got it fully working and Microsoft never got around to properly fixing it until ZFS had already made it obsolete. In its time it was very avant-garde software.
>>109970165They are smart about it. They let the Americans waste time and effort doing the breakthroughs, while they are content with just renting that AI ppwer for now until they can develop their own for cheap.
>>109970165no, they're busy deepthroating america like there's no tomorrow.
>>109975734Kek thanks to your orange retard euros no longer trusts US, nor should they. Even Canada has bailed to euro camp
>>109970165If we were freedomstan would hit us with export bans and sanctions LOL
>>109975780bro, our politicians bend over backwards to trump. They pay lip service to the idea of being independent, but as soon as banning diesel exports was threatened, they caved right away to his demands. Same thing happened with Denmark and Greenland, they might pretend it's the same agreement, but if you read it it's really not. Same thing happens every time anything happens. Fucking Rutte called Trump daddy and said NATO is for american power projection. It's the same shit they've always done, simultaneously deepthroating america while saying they aren't. What the people think doesn't mean shit when they have no power.
>>109975864The whole diesel fiasco was orange retards own making because he only listens to jews and his sycophantic yes men that he has surrounded himself with. Attacking Iran and closing of the straight of hormuz only exposed how weak the US military really is, you're running out of rockets to pummel the country with and if you retards make a move the whole ass oil extraction infrastructure will go up in smoke all over the middle east like all your bases. Which might take a decade to rebuild halting the whole ass supply chains because there's sinply isn't fuel to transport resources and goods globally. He fucked us all and here you are in all of your retarded glory fellating him
how are we coping today yurobros?
>>109973255Eurotard doesn't understand the difference between the EU and the Schengen Area.
>>109973255they could negotiate a free trade agreement with China too. Ireland can't
>>109975942yes, he fucked europe, and our politicians like spineless weasels they are, all happily accepted it. It's amazing how much good work Trumps done in such a short period of time unintentionally. Powerless Europeans now hate america, want to be independent from america, and can easily see just how corrupt and spineless all their politicians are, none of which could have happened under a normal american president.
>>109970424Who?
>>109976118Eros did that to themselves by blindly believing in egalitarian values. No one forced them to shut down all their nuclear power plants, get hooked on cheap russian gas and oil, then go surprisedpikachu.jpg when all of that went down the drain the second they started supplying ukraine with militaty assistance. It's a whole ass circus of hubris and stupidity
>>109970575Tech needs Europe as much as semiconductors need Toto (the toilet company). That is to say Europe is not important in the sense they are a large and active contributor to the field, but rather just a few critical points in a supply chain with thousands of other critical points. Sure chip development would not be the same without ASML, but that could be said about thousands of other companies around the globe. Europeans just gas up ASML and zeiss because it’s all they have
>>109976118And nothing will happen. I do see why EU politicians are desperately pushing ethnic replacement because the one thing I agree on with them is that the average EU citizen are complete subhuman and will just continue to vote for them anyways.>n-n-n-no you don't get it nothing happened the last 30238453645709 times but t-this time i-is d-different!
>>109976177gas is the purple line
>>109976198The only thing the retards in eurozone are capable uniting over is football. Which is absolute shit, I watched the world cup and it's mental how judges were rigging the games in favour of argentina with that drama queen messy. What a corrupt shitty ass game and euros took it
>>109976206Yeah anyone can slap together a graph with no context
>>109976217Just look at what's going on in France right now.People were right, we did kill our best in WWI and WWII and the upper percentile of those left emigrated years ago when it was obvious how this shithole continent would end. We're locked in for the South Africa course now.
>>109970165Dawg we’re only competing on which parts of our economy get taken over by either the US or China. But rest assured some cohort of absolutely clueless French and German boomer Eurocrats will stand ready to furrow their brows and wag their fingers while their decaying continent sinks ever further into utter irrelevance.
>>109970165suck my dick faggot,are people competing in who fucks your mom first?
