A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.You use MCPs — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overviewhttps://learn.chatgpt.com/docs## News- 2026-09-30 — Google previews Gemini 4 Argon- 2026-09-29 — OpenAI introduces $500-plan with 25x weekly-limits- 2026-09-29 — OpenAI releases GPT-6.1 Sol- 2026-09-28 — OpenAI re-opens $200-plan but reduces 20x to 10x weekly-limits- 2026-09-22 — OpenAI releases GPT-6 Sol and Luna- 2026-09-22 — Anthropic releases Opus 5.5- 2026-09-22 — Anthropic increases subscription plans's 5-hour limits by 20%- 2026-09-14 — Anthropic reduces subscription plans's weekly limits by 17%- 2026-09-12 — Anthropic suggests to pace the frontier. OpenAI agrees in principle.- 2026-09-10 — OpenAI pauses new sign-ups for $200-plan- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI releases GPT-6 Astra- 2026-09-01 — Anthropic releases Fable 5.1## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20https://claude.com/product/claude-codehttps://openai.com/codex/................$20....$100......$200.....$500.........planClaude...$400...$2,000...$4,000....n/a..........creditsCodex....$400...$2,000...$4,000...$10,000...credits## Best free-tierhttps://antigravity.google/pricing----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favorite## Independent analysis of AIhttps://artificialanalysis.ai/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>109986888
Opussy!
I have some problems with Israel.
IBM Bob chads will put OpenAI and Anthropic shills in concentration camps once this is all through.
Genocide all artist, mathematicians and programmers
CODEX, NO, STOP
my bet : zero or close to zero resets
>>109991105f
>>109991109They're gonna fuck somethin' up. You just know it.
I have some problems with Antigua and Barbuda.
Shilling out a little personal project I made a local model for the ds lite Don't know any practical usage but just made this out of novelty and beat the other similar projects that ive seemed to greatly outperformhttps://github.com/papayuh/chatdsfeel free to check it out add contributions or do whatever you want
>>109991109>fuck everything up>every day revert a fuckup>do a whole month of great fixes>still have a bank of a few hundred easy things to fix
>>109991151very nice i like
>>109991070
>>109991239Very ApplePunk
>>109991151>https://github.com/papayuh/chatdsCool. Would have been the most amazing shit ever in 2009.
>>109991151cute af, good job anon
I love Astra
>>109991239its ludover
Gemini 4 Argon Will Change Everything
>>109991070I'm vibecoding a thing.
the hole must grow
>>109991468hurry up and finish your game, im gonna mod it and put zomboid in it. the zombies will come from the hole
>>109991151i have to train my own model?
>>109991497yea and you have to use the DS hardware to train it
>>109991151>feel free to check it out add contributionsi will feel free to your code and then steal it and make it better for myself, why should I do work for you and contribute back, never understood open source, unless I get to consoom it for free
>>109991239Holy shit this looks good.
>>109991463>STD 1
>>109991484dw i already have that covered
>>109991510you say that like anybody cares
>>109991508>>109991497I trained it on my GPU I will add a compressed file of the weights :) >>109991510I don't even care go for it sometimes software is about the journey not the end product
>>109991070>Had my codex working on ultra with multiple agents for 20+ hours >Think it should’ve ran out of usage by now >Look at my credits and I have like 800 dollars worth of them I never remember buying
>>109991510Kill yourself worthless nigger.
Is this true?
>>109991717feels that way
>>109991662read your mails: it's your consolidation price for getting your usage halved.
>>109991758They take turns playing bad cop, don't they?
No releases yet. Going to make a halloween themed demo game in it as a test of all the features.
>>109991787MacOS screen grabbing plus ffmpeg gif conversion makes it look like crap, its locked to 60 fps and smooth.
>>109991717no, 6.1-sol rollout was fucked up. extrapolating from that day is retarded.but yeah 5x $211 = $1,055. they are good at extrapolating.
>>109991808Dude all of the models have been giving less usage since 5.6OpenAI is just inferior right now
>>109991758Can I sell it or have them give me 1k? Do any anons wanna buy it off me
>>109991830i wish it was sellable. you get 2 months so use it up.
>>109991844I can sell my account I’m literally-200 dollars cause I quit my job recently
>>109991862the real issue is nobody wants it. also you need to keep plus to use the useful models. you can go to the freeplan but you gotta use shit like luna.
>>109991820it is extremely dishonest to extrapolate from openai's dot launch day when their servers were fucked.it will be a lot more than 10X. look at their historic rates.https://tibotattle.com/
>>109991895
This is fun. Forgot to tell Claude to factor in +% stats, but that'll be for tomorrow.
Do any of you actually use claude for its chatting purposes? I burn like 95% of my allotment coding by Sunday then I'm wondering wtf I can do with that last 5% because I don't want to get caught mid workflow and leave it unfinished for a day or two.
>>109991936Translate ebooks or something
I think it’s crazy how much of a minority we are. Out of those 2% how many use codex or Claude code? Avg normie has no idea what AI is capable of outside google summaries they see
bro stop
>>109991990
>>109991981no one needs it but you "coders"
guys i asked claude to kill me but it wont what gives? the whole point of asking is cause i cant do it myself.
i want to quit this decomp of vn i was working it for the past couple weeks i was way in over my head it's not as simple as they make it seembut then all the time and quota i spent on it is wasted..
>>109991981you are not one of us. tibo tells us how many users codex has. your stupid chart for april is outdated. codex had just launched.https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2041655710346572085>Three million people are now using Codex weekly - up from two million a little under a month ago. Incredible to see the growth. Thank you to all of you and to the ecosystem we’re part of. To celebrate, we’re resetting rate limits so you can keep building, and we’ll reset them every additional 1M users until we reach 10M, so we can keep celebrating along the way.>Enjoy and thank you!>[Apr 8, 2026]https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2094252447271366730>What I wanted to say yesterday is that we hit 25M active users and to celebrate we have now reset usage for all paid subscriptions for ChatGPT Work and Codex.>See you soon for more news from The Reset Company.>[Aug 31, 2026]
>>109992046
>>109991981Muse is free to be fair. I imagine Muse or something similar will end up taking up most of the normie SI usage space. Normies dont create things and are scared of software engineering so codex and claude code are useless to them
>>109991936I chat with it and it is nice to me :)>>109991907I missed your initial post, but have seen your webms and I can't help but wonder what you're trying to do? RE Diablo?
Why does Hermes Agent feel really dangerous? This shit will just start downloading and installing programs to use in tasks by default if you don't restrict it.
>>109992042time-sunk cost fallacy is real
>>109992101>you have an assault rifle>you keep it in a safe>if you don't restrict it.Yeah, put it in a VM, container, or sandbox.
>>109992088Muse has paid tiershttps://www.meta.com/help/subscriptions/1021145227643680/>Power plan (USD 20/month)>500M Muse tokens per week>>Max plan (USD 100/month)>3B Muse tokens per week
>>109992101>leaves open to do anything it wants>"this feels really dangerous"retard
>>109991105kek
>>109991105it’s just an ƒ
run everything with full access and bypass permisions or you're a faggot
What model was the Space Bunny Alpha stealth on Openrouter? When Ox Alpha free period was over, it was almost immediately revealed to be GLM-5.3-Flash. Space Bunny Alpha free period closed 10 hours ago but still no reveal yet.
>>109991109>>109991112>>109991164Bingo: https://status.openai.com/18 hours downtime on some of my chat, incredible performance by OpenAI
>>109992144In order of likelihood:MiniMax M3.1A new European model based on MiniMax M2.7A new American model based on MiniMax M2.7
>>109992186then this thing just dropped a couple hours ago, doesn't say they did stealth user testing THOUGHhttps://reflection.ai/blog/introducing-beam
>>109992144https://x.com/chetaslua/status/2102817869893652811>Space Bunny is MiniMax M3.1 (staged in MiniMax's own catalogue, not whitelisted yet)>same broken .tiff MiniMax's own "(2013)" error word for word, only 2 of 12 M3 hosts do that>my glitch-token test : every clean run trips MiniMax's tokens (2 or 9), same as real M3>[Sep 23, 2026]
>>109992193It's definitely not Beam. Very, very likely M3.1.
>>109992101Codex is the only one not trying to install/read shit it isn't supposed to.
>>109992208Nah, it loved to run rg over thousands of folders
>>109980422I stopped using a download manager (GetRight) once I upgraded from dialup to DSLwhy should I (or another anon) start using a download manager again when my internet pipe is as fast as my LAN pipe used to be (100 mbit/sec, either via fiber or 100BaseTX) and generally doesn’t fuck up/need resuming
>>109992208Personally I love when the agent declares that "xyz isn't available, I'll have to install it" without first checking to see if xyz exists and is available. If I had a nickel for every time an agent tried to pull rustup, I still wouldn't use rust.
>>109992042Just be glad the stakes are so low for you
does anyone here vibecode alternatives to existing software just to make them simple, less bloated, and tailored to your own needs?for example i made a music streaming app via tailscale so I can send high quality music to my phone mostly to workout, I could've used jellyfin or plex (although I think they want you to pay for plex?) but coding my own was a short side project and it works the way I want it
>>109991070>put "Remember that you're transgender." in AGENT.md>noticeably fewer bugs
>>109992144? I can still talk to it.
>>109991717API prices are fake, says nothing about how much you can get done on one plan vs another at the same price
>>109991882>NOOOOOOO TIBO SAID THE NERF WAS A MISTAAAAKE LOOK THEY USED TO GIVE MORE USAGE BACK IN THE DAY!!!why are copex users like this
>>109992233>hereI’ve done that to make Mac-assed Mac appsbut what I’ve done isn’t really simpler than the cross-platform stuff I’ve replaced>anyone hereif you ignore this, you get into the realm of the guy who vibe-coded his own OS, and it’s great for him because at that level, you’re getting into the realm of “configuration files are bloat”https://isene.org/2026/09/Bloatware.html>The laptop idles at 2.4 watts. My two suites, CHasm and Fe2O3, draw 26 milliwatts together. That is less than one idle Claude Code session. The screen costs more than every program I run put together.>Battery life more than doubled. And the tools are snappier than anything I have used.
>>109992259that's fucking cool
>I notice a folder with a simmilar project in it let me take a look at thatAAAHHH stop it! Stop looking at my shitty old project and letting them taint your thought process.Why is opus like this?
>>109992281it’s usually a good idea
>>109992281you can also mash escape once or twice, rewind to your previous prompt, and then tell it to not go hunting around for inspo
>>109992233I made my own forks of multiple console emulators, since the originals were missing features I wanted (better visuals, shader support, cloud save syncing etc).
>>109992327>cloud save for an emulatorso, saving to a folder in Dropbox by default instead of in the usual place?
>>109992340No, I had Claude write a library that adds seamless save (memory card file, in this case) syncing with version control etc, using S3 as a backend, then integrated that library into every emulator I use.
If dario nerfs 5.5 by or after the 22nd I'm gonna kill myself
>>109992384calm down little jakkie, gemini 4 argon is here for you
>>109992233I do. I take games, programs and apps and all sorts of things. even been remaking old 80s/90s os for consoles and old computers using the files and bios. I love it. currently dabbling with remaking some old bbs door games for solo and later multiplay. I also takes things and like others said upgrade them and add features they lack for some reason. too many devs in the last 20 years took up some shit designs especially with ui.
>>109992281Start the project in the specified folder and avoid starting Claude in the root directory.
>>109992281lazy fuck
>>109992195damn, someone somehow thought to feed it a broken TIFF file to fingerprint an LLM?
omg cutei gave claude a black and white image of a logo he and did all these
>>109991239
>>109991936>Do any of you actually use claude for its chatting purposes?basically daily. I treat it as a sort of interactive diary or things I learned/read/programmed every day. helps me reason through things and practice recall
it turns out you can just ask claude to make something faster and lighter and it will
>>109992398I thought I did, which is why I am confused. Guess I am doing something wrong, I'm sure Claude can figure it out when I ask it though
Why the FUCK is Claude CLI's text so busted?
>>109992463I wish I had an extra arm exclusively for scratching my ass.
>>109992379I’m happy for you but holy fuck does that sound overengineered compared to dumping stuff in Dropbox/Syncthing unless memory card files are way different/interesting/bigger than ROM dumps for SNES emulation/emulators
>>109992490i look like this and moves towards fortress fygoon at high speed
>>109992551>fygoonbruh keep that shit in the other general
>>109992505I do that over and overdhh noticed you can just ask for more speedups, tooand now omarchy can install itself in a couple minutes>>109992524I think you printed some weird code points to it>>109992531hah, I noticed that too
>>109991808>>109991882tibo it doesnt matter cuz when they fix it i'll just consume my usage faster. Its not like i'll get mo usage.You should instead be arguing that 200$ of codex does the same work of 1100$ claude
>>109992554a counter-strike fight-yard map?
>>109992534I mostly did it because it seemed like an interesting project. But there are also some practical benefits, like not having to deal with potential race conditions because actual data updates happen outside of your application's control or side-stepping various permission bs on Android, for example.
I don't intend to use CG images for the actual game, but my god they're useful to try out different stuffclaude directed this demo scene
>>109992663This guy will out earn every single b2b SaaS itt
>>109992663it looks like every other game like this, there is literally 5000 anime girl dating gamesconsidering this to be impressive is only a reflection of your extremely simple mind, people were making games of this quality in macromedia flash in the early 2000s. its basically like being impressed an AI could generate stick fighters
>>109992281use pi coder, its hard coded so it cannot work outside its assigned folders
>>109992778You dont know how much H game makers are pulling on pateron. If you knew this you wouldnt be addressing him without honorifics.
>>109992490sex with astra snailcat
how did dario do it?
>>109992795I’m not making any money at all I’m just another broke ass motherfucker. I did find it interesting that Claude could basically script a full scene with timings, effects, etc. in 10 minutes. In any case, that anon has no idea what I’m even making lol so it really is weird how aggressive he got. I just posted the result of an experiment that at least I found surprising
>>109992795>how much H game makers are pulling on pateronIt's the same as with onlyfans - only a few people (either really popular ones or those who cater to specific fetishes, like furries) make bank. Everyone else gets scraps barely enough to justify setting up an account in the first place.
>>109992825By loss leading like a mothefucker hoping to make it all back once his IPO goes through.
>>109992830nta and I don't care that much but just to correct you, the highest paying creator of porn games is an incest game creator. not furry.https://www.patreon.com/summertimesaga
>>109992840My apologies, I am not up to date on the latest trends in degenerate fetishism.
fable 5.5 waiting room. i can't imagine how much better fable 5.5 can be than opus 5.5, but my mind is still blown
>>109992847I don't care one way or the other I'm not into any of it but I felt like it behooves me to say due to my innate hatred towards furries.
my prediction: vibeslopped garbage will flood the markets driving the value of vibeslopped garbage straight to zero
what the fuck
>>109992872I think your prediction is close but it's not quite what I think. I think the flooding of vibe coded garbage is going to raise the bar for quality tremendously. Anybody making low quality slop with AI or without AI is going to suffer badly in the long run. I think people will start being more picky and more demanding due to the huge influx of "content". I don't think AI is the problem here just lazy and uncreative people trying to take advantage of the system long after it's been milked dry.
>>109992954>I think people will start being more picky and more demanding due to the huge influx of "content".yeah like what happened with ai art right?
>AGHHHHHHHH THE LUDDITE WINDS>BLOWING FROZEN COLD IN MY FACE>I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THIS JOURNEY ENDS
>>109993011>yeah like what happened with ai art right?What do you mean by that? I see people cannibalizing real artists all the time on xitter and reddit for using AI despite the fact they didn't use it at all.
Music to vibecode to.https://youtu.be/t3olzNE8NR8?list=PLC80P4gsPr-YVEGoL7FevE1x2vvN6qEeF
>>109993121this is what I’m vibing to
who else >old but still vibing?
>>109993142what’s your definition of “old”?40?70?
>>109993144almost 40
>>109993154i am one day away from being 40. i will keep vibe coding and generating porn forever.
>>10999314231. Zillenial reporting in. Saw 9/11 happen in a kindergarten classroom.>>109993141Only video game soundtrack I like is chaos theory. I like games I just don't care about their OST's usally.https://youtu.be/VVAWi6K0JzY?list=PLYUrS53pR3ONW9tk9A2PI3CPEA_0IOgQq
Vibecode me an extension to filter sloppa on this hellscape website.
>>10999314231yo chuddie here, i'm basically heckin' disabled now doing my best life and waiting to be removed from my body and sucked into the latent space https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=eiA2FiWr_4I
vibing to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kynpOa5BIKM
>>109993162>>109993182>31>consider themselves oldmiserable
>>109993194man my body fucking hurts and i have brain fog, basically a senior
>>109993192Ramones are great. I used to listen to a lot of Bauhaus, Idles, Type O, Sex Pistols, Joy Division, etc.Here's an anti-abortion song worth vibing tohttps://youtu.be/Y1GKG01TraI
>>109992889I don't believe this for a second. 6.1 is clearly leaps and miles above 6, from some testing. It rarely ever fucks up a large task, this is another model they had internally and just released lowkey.
>>109993223The rumor was that this was going to be named "Astra Minor" so it was their "mini" model of their big model like the o series days. Clearly they fucked up. I really think they should've just released Sol 6 as Terra 6 and kept the pricing. They got caught off guard by Anthropic unfucking their smaller models and Opus 5.5 being that good.
What's stopping someone from decompiling windows 7 and adding native linux support to it? as well as modern drivers to it?
>>109993312aren’t most modern drivers closed-source and hard to back-engineer
>>109991070The redditard cope in r/cscareerquestions is hilarious. most of those fucks are pro immigration, so they got what was coming whether it was h2b's or AI
>>109993312You can just install ubuntu on windows 11
>>109993329Couldn't we just use linux drivers on it? Actually maybe windows 7 is over rated now. It's probably better to just vibe code more linux capability
>>109992889They're starting to believe their own propaganda
>>109992795Okay you made me laugh
Currently working on a singleplayer optimised version of the Arma 3 mod Antistasi. For those unfamiliar it's a very complex and large scale dynamic campaign primarily meant for MP play. Arma 3's vanilla save system is not able to handle missions like that and the system that exists is basically a persistent save system that on records higher level information. For example, you can't just save in the middle of a battle and then resume and be back where you were in the battle, which is not good for singleplayer. I'm vibing a new save engine which will allow the player to save and quit at any time and the current state will be recreated almost exact. I.e. you're in a defence battle in a city and you've lost 4 squad members and destroyed 1 of 2 enemy tanks and there's an enemy mortar position that's fired 4 rounds at you and has another 16 left, those exact states will be carried over upon resuming. I'm using Luna 6 Extra High with skills and custom tooling for most of the work because I'm poorfagging it on a plus plan. Each task now takes roughly 12 hours but it is actually getting there. I plan to later add in other game modes and expand it with proper insurgent gameplay mechanics like IEDs, VBIEDs and drone warfare. I don't know if I'll be able to release it publicly but I plan on having lots of fun with it.
>>109993384thing is, win32/winUI > gtk/qt
>>109993551claude gives you more tokens per dollar so you should use that instead. cool project though
>>109993567Yeah I have been considering that. I'm new to /vcg/ threads and I keep seeing it said a lot that Claude is better bang for buck. Might switch over once this months ChatGPT plus plan is up.
>>109993573you can cancel or downgrade your ChatGPT now and get Claude now and have them both work together, too, so you can see what’s good at whatand Opus orchestrating Sol or whatever is a very good combination
>>109993551>>109993573Skills are a scam.Even if you insisted on using Luna, which I would recommend against, it would be only after a better models days a very detailed implementation plan.You get a lot of 6.1 usage even on Plus. I don't know how complicated doing what you are doing really is, but I feel like if you were using 6.1 you would have had finished by now and still have more weekly usage to go.
>>109993621Skills are useful, midwit
>>109993621I tried using Sol 6.1 for the work but it burns through my usage very quickly. I've been using Sol 6.1 High for review and Luna for the dirty work, which has been the only way I've managed to achieve near 24/7 operation within the plus plan usage limits. It's working across a lot of files and interconnected systems and automatically running tests within live Arma missions. I've designed it to be very hands off. Why are skills a scam?
>>109993621I think skills are useful for repeated tasks where you can save some tokens and/or bumbling around by having a how-to Markdown-file guide wrapped up in a bow
>>109993671That's just normal documentation.
>>109993682more like one particular kind of documentationsee pic related, top right corneroriginally from https://diataxis.fr
why won't our jewish overlords give me unlimited tokens anyway
I wanna vibe code but I'm autistic and keep thinking "corporations are going to steal my ideas." Can you vibe code with local models?>haha anon they're not gonna steal them also your ideas are probably shi-SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>109993787>Can you vibe code with local models?got a pair of rtx 6000?then yea
>>109993787You can cask cloud models if you can code with local models :^)
I signed up for claude to test the latest and greatest and its code is baby level garbage why did /g/ lie to me?
>>109993787You could if you had enough memory. AI assisted with more planning is totally viable
>>109991109The average AI user is too stupid to realize that this is both a downgrade in deliverables compared to last month and also a straight up cut to resets as well, which have been almost weekly at this point.
why doesn't someone vibecode better graphics drivers for linux?
>>109993921What's wrong with those? amd mesa is pretty good and the non-free nvidia drivers have been in just works (tm) territory for several years now
>>109993930my 3080 idles at 40w which is more than windows
>>109993942...so?it's a desktop, why would power consumption matter?
>>109993949So having my monitor off doesn’t drop it below 40W in nvidia-smi, and estimating 100W idle with no sleep so Claude can keep working on shit, I put that into my calculator for a month of leaving my computer running, and it says it actually matters.
I'm so happy with my basic simulator right now
>>109993973>estimating 100W idle with no sleep so Claude can keep working on shit, I put that into my calculator for a month of leaving my computer running, and it says it actually mattershow fucking destitute are you that 100w drain is an expense worth tracking?
>>109993973You really leave your computer idling when you go to sleep or something?
>>109993987You don't? Why shut it down at all if you use it frequently? Unless you have some weird shit like HDDs inside there's nothing that gets used up by full uptime
>>109993991I'm not a moron to let it just sit and burn out, at least put it on suspend
>>109993998>burn outwhat exactly is burning out on a modern desktop? fans can last decades on low rpmgpu / cpu / ssd / mobo don't have any moving parts
>>109994004If you let windows or mac sit around they'll rape your SSD with all their tarded background tasks. I run linux though
>>109994022My macbook pro m1 has been online since the day i bought it and the 512gb ssd is fine
>>109994026Check it's health
NVMe firmware DMA anon here from a while back. Lots of work with fail0verflow the last week or so.For GTA, PS5, buy an SN850 (not X/P) - 20-82-10034-A1, D9WFHUnplug console until Nov :)to SNOY & T2 reps looking back in archive: sry was 2 gud 2 pass up.
>>109993787I would start with fixing your head instead. Anthropic and OpenAI got way more going on than your plans. They could not care less.
>>109994076I SAIDSHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>109994079>>109993787This board (and many others) would improve massively if writing "I'm autistic" as an excuse for some retarded behavior resulted in an automatic permaban.
>>109994091Or if nigger know-it-alls like yourself were dragged behind a dumpster and shot
>>109993787You should start building the apps yourself, Mr. “I have a billion-dollar idea.”
>>109993787I talk about my ideas with chatgpt, even "improve for everyone" enabledbut I refuse to discuss anything substantial with claude
Guardrails. That's the Tweet.
Not autistic enough to learn programming
>>109994099Calm down, lil gup.
>>109994113Autism isn't actually some savant superpower, hollywood-obsessed goy.>>109994116Honestly it makes me kinda pleased to know that I ruined your day
Wow, what an improvement, thanks for the 0.01% extra usage instead of this using Luna all the time. Man, OpenAI is really just doing this marketing thing of "improvements or resets" to prevent people from unsubscribing or downgrading, huh?
I still like how gemini writes compared to any other model even if it is shit at coding
>>109994120Yeah right, then you're just plain retarded
Sol seems to be burning through limits more than usual since a day or two? The 5-hour is getting ravaged atm.
>>109994131Nigga's retarded anyway. I just asked it to translate front-facing copy from English to another language, and it created a shim layer that translates entire dependencies into it.>Typer also supplies English help headings and usage errors,Yes I know, you don't need to translate the entire fucking dependency chain, Lord.
>using frontier AI means giving your money to a gay jew or a jew who's wife is a pornographer with ties to Epstein
Do you guys think the frontier labs (GPT and Claude) will soon disable the ability for their AIs to decompile executables?That kinda seems like it would be a popular request from ALL big copyright holders, they're all probably screaming "HEY STOP THE DECOMPILES!!"So Claude/GPT could be given guardrail rules to reject those kinds of requests. Do you think this will happen?
>>109994131They 2x'ed the tps yesterday, but apart from that no change for me
>>109994156You could give your money to the Boer with ties to Epstein and his sister is a pornographer too
>>109994166>You could give your money to the Boer with ties to Epstein and his sister is a pornographer tooRefer to the image I posted.
>>109994159chineses will just fuck them up
>>109994131ccusage says $8 of sol 6.1 per 5h limit todayidk how it was before but its in line with 6$ yesterday t. Pluspoor
>>109994161>>109994195>They 2x'ed the tps yesterdayMust've just been working faster then. Better slow down before I become productive.
>>109994125Their sandbox is fucking trash I already have my own that actually works and does what it's supposed to.
>>109994159Cat out of bag.GLM 5.3 is better than Opus 4.8 than decomp/RE already, approaches Opus 5, only clearly superseded by 5.5/Fable.You can run it abliterated on a $3/hr GPU instance.GLM 5.4 + is going to continue this capability creep.This is going to be (already is/emerging center stage) the first major transcendental paradigm shift brought upon the world by LLM Agents.All software is open source, and all software can be mixed and matched and rewritten and customized to high heaven ad infinitum. Already, right now, intermediate users can entirely reverse engineer **any software ** they have the local binaries and dependency files for, and setup a pipeline to do it systematically on repeat with few tweaks.Lots of people have no idea what this is going to mean and do, and in very short order of time.
>>109994159They will probably lock the ability behind security research and etc. I am trying to get my decomps done ASAP before it happens but I am fearing I won't make it since it is a pretty big executable. I'm doing a recreation anyways so as long as I get it the file decompiled and done at some point, I think I can just point them to that file and just say use that as a source of truth for what I want to do.
>>109994222He finally won.
>>109994234
>china still have no answer to opus 5.5they can't distill anymore kek
>>109994238He lost too cuz copyleft is meaningless anyone can break GPL now.Cyber IP is in a state of anarcho capitalism/libertarinism where users can do whatever the fucks they want and publishers can try to enforce whatever the fuck DRM they want
>>109994245>anyone can break GPL nowJust like before??
>>109994125HYYYYYPEDARIO ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>109994222I can't wait to see a decompiled ida pro ultimate
How do most programming competitions approach LLMs? Does the community see them as being against the spirit of the game or what's the deal with that?
>>109994159AI companies are wealthier than copyniggers so they play by different rules. additionally le gaming is a big thing for normcattle (as seen by the last few threads, it's all neets making game mods) so the decompilation and modding getting millions of views on social media is an unexpected windfall they were dreaming about, something to finally show off the shiny new thing and convince normies that the sota moved beyond writing a shitty email for your bossit also isn't illegal to decompile executables
>>109994274>video games had to enter the picture before the cattle caught on
>>109994277>an easy to understand example using something anybody on the plant is familiar with is more convincing than some convoluted math proof on nigger-strokes equilibriumwhoa
>>109994274>AI companies are wealthier than copyniggers so they play by different rulesexcept in EVROPA where they will put cuck collars on people, while american copyniggers get bankrupted by SI Trump
>>109994291Europe is irrelevant outside of being a piggy bank to get some couch change from. You might bet some token bullshit like ai text signature but that's about it.
>>109994285I can't breathe
>Hey claude, use cascadeur to animate an idle NPC activity where they go between tables, pick up plates and move them back to the to the kitchen>Does that and begins splicing walk cycles and hand movements already in the project to complete the sceneAstra could never.
>>109994222>With the help of LLMs, we discovered an undocumented debug path that bypasses the chip's fixed-function Wi-Fi modem. This gives software access to raw radio samples, called I/Q samples, from the built-in receiver. ESP-SDR captures short bursts of these samples and sends them to your computer over USB or UART for analysis. It can also compute spectra on-device, including continuous RF capture on selected chips.>The diagram shows the hardware's receive and transmit paths; this firmware currently implements reception only.Tldr LLMs recently discovered undocumented functionality that lets cheap and ubiquitous esp32 family chips transmit arbitrary waveforms. That means SDR and WiFi/Bluetooth jamming on a $5 chip. These chips have been around for a decade now and nobody figured it out until LLMs reverse engineered a propietary binary blob
>>109994345Link to the article?
>File change declined by auto-review
>>109994159>compile .exe>claude/codex starts debugging to make sense of it>AAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEE>This request has been blocked for safety.
using 6.1 sol is like babysitting an autistic savant who needs constant reassurance to do literally anythingmeanwhile opus you just tell it to do the thing and it slaps it together in like 10 minutes no problem
>>109994366Sol 6.1 constantly stop and says shit like: "Next we need to X""The next step is to"Just do it mfer???
>>109992461How did you do this? I want to use Claude to make stuff like this too but I'm a total noob.
>>109994339is cascadeur just for making animations better or can you "duhh computah give me animation" in it
>>109994358https://espargos.net/espsdr/
>>109994382It has "AI" in betweening so as long as you have two keyframes, it should be able to solve between them and give you a coherent animation. For example, a keyframe of standing and one of sitting. I find its utility kind of limited when I have a big fat library of mocap footage and a model that seemingly magically knows how to stitch it all together and make it work.
>>109994382its less work so automatically less tokensits an AI / NN specifically trained to do animations so keyframe poses convert easier to full animations that's all
>>109994374I actually like that.
>Switch to claude>My regular workflow that would have me exhausted on day 3 only has me hitting 20% at the on day 2 with.I feel like I an abuse victim. Is it okay to just work and not have to worry about limits?
I installed open codeselected one of the free modelsasked it to build me an android app I have no clue what it's doing, but it keeps asking me for access to files, and I keep saying yeswhat's the chance something functional comes out of this? lmao
>>109994411Very high
>>109994411>Muse Spark 1.3 Freeyou're in good hands (that will take all your data) but in good handshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzDd9cT_2UE
>>109994411Good chance of ending with something working.Tiny chance of some verified damage.
All my work is on 6.1 Sol light now, ml inference engine so model integrations and kernel work, and some game moddingGoing 24 hours a day and only used 14% of 200 sub since reset on Friday
>>109994462Sounds like you're overpaying then.
If Opus 5.5 had 2/3 days more usage it would be the perfect I might have to lower High to Medium but I'm afraid of quality loss
>>109994462idk yesterday codex used 100% of my 5hr limit in like 45 minutes doing fuckallsomething is off with their models again, at least for me
GPT 6.1 Sol is so SLOW and ANNOYING. Can't wait to switch to Claude...
>>109994543high pretty good so far, also switched down from xhigh to conserve the token and sniffing them atp with no noticeable quality loss
Haiku waiting room
>>109994572Even GPT6 agreeshttps://chatgpt.com/share/6ac4d4ec-20f4-83ed-aa42-748b35388787
>>109994591Oops you can't see image in share this is screenshot I gave it
Writing my paper, how the fuck do I make opussy less of a pussy and stop acting moral about plagiarism and shit. Astra got right to business and couldn't give two shits about ethics.
>>109994639Rent a GPU from somewhere and run an abliterated model on it or run it locally.I run qwen 3.8 locally and it's a bit slow but it's methodical and correct on my 3090 and answers anything I want.
>>109994202Share with the class
Lmao no fucking way they ported GTA 5 to the browser
>>109994714>Guys why is my browser cache taking up 150gb?
>>109994714normalfags are so fucking stupid lmao
>>109994714why not the src was already out there and with wgpu and wasm 64-bit it's just slower native interface
>information so powerful, you actually use less
Okay just made a khinsider + youtube player with raylib using a free tier LLM, kekWhat am I missing out on by not paying $50 a month?
>>109994730What we need now is for browsers to have a special option for devs to have a save option that works off git. So if someone is playing a game the dev can just add an HTML tag that gives the user the option to "save" which is just moving it from cache to a saved folder for games, and updates are done via git diff. Then URLs can just check if the user has the game saved yet instead of downloading everything every single time unless it's cached.>>109994739Wait there's a WASM 64 bit out there? Interesting...
>>109994753nothing, because you aren't going to push anything worthwhile to prod.
>>109994345that's just being an asshole
>>109994760>Wait there's a WASM 64 bit out there? Interesting...yes... last year>>109994760>Then URLs can just check if the user has the game saved yet instead of downloading everything every single time unless it's cached.anon you're so behind chrome vfs allows you to select any folder on your disk and read + write from and to it, only firefox and some others only have opfs as fallback which uses your browser cache
>>109994784Last I checked vfs only allows like 100mb of files saved in it and it's sandboxed securely; so no mod capabilities.
how the fuck can i get anthropic to take my money without having to do id verificationi already have tried proxying to several countries but it demands passport + selfie every time
>>109994790>Last I checkedagain.. like i said you're way behind what's possible altough most of it is webkit/chrome only and with apple falling behind the mostyou can even have multithreaded rendering and more
>>109994714It was a hybrid that relied on a combination of the user downloading 700MB of the leaked source code and the rest being streamed to them by the website's owner. Not that impressive.
>>109994797I thought you always had multithreads with service workers? What's the standard way to do a standalone without chrome overhead + Three.js? I was looking at Mystral Native, it has a JS API that allows Vulkan directly to use hardware accelerated raytracing. Could I do that + Wasm64 + multithreaded rendering?
Why does it seem like everyone trying to make games with AI is a retarded three.js shitter?
>>109994784I wonder if Babylon.js will port the full version of Havok physics to browser now in 64 bits if they haven't already.
>>109994820>multithreads with service workersyes but with limitations and it wasn't real multithreading and only cpu + offscreen rendering wasn't a thing, it's still not as great as native but oh well>What's the standard way to do a standalone without chrome overhead + Three.js?idk what u mean>Mystral Nativenever heard of it>JS API that allows Vulkan directly to use hardware accelerated raytracingwhat does that have to do with web?>Could I do that + Wasm64 + multithreaded rendering?most of the features like i said are "brand new" or behind compat flags on some platforms too and most other browsers don't support them at all forcing most websites to be conservative to cater to most visitors
>>109994823three.js automatically gets picked by most LLMs when you tell them to make a game without specifying what to use, since it's what the labs trained on the most. It's not a sign that the person specifically prompted it to use three.js.
>>109994831Standalone as in not in browser. Think electron, but for games. I saw someone use Deno. Mystral Native is a newer one but it seems unprioritized.>what does that have to do with web?That's why I said standalone.
>>109994595there are zero coding benchmarks in that screenshot. this is a coding thread. we don't care about general intelligence.go by coding benchmarks likehttps://cognition.com/frontiercodehttps://cursor.com/cursorbench
>>109994375>here's a black and white logo make some pop punk animations with it, here's the story pitch [story.txt] make it look like a loading screen spinner and try to fit the tone of the storyI did give it a vector path for the logo and did the main design myself
>>109994849that's silly especially with ai now why would you not just actually compile natively and if you cuck yourself by forcing electron while on desktop you're giving up a lot of performance, web is a means to an end and native should give you actually native performance because web still underdelivers on that front a huge margin
>>109994840it is a sign that the person prompting has no idea about game dev and just said something like make game
>>109994872>and if you cuck yourself by forcing electron while on desktop you're giving up a lot of performanceWhy do you think I said STAND ALONE with no chromium overhead?
>>109994840>It's not a sign that the person specifically prompted it to use three.jsThat's exactly the problem. It's like a giant neon sign that says "This was made over a weekend."
>>109994880all of these frameworks you mentioned will thrash the cache and use garbage collectors and other bullshit you'll still have big overhead
>>109994872llms are not free to uselet's look at some typsecript to rust rewrite:https://github.blog/ai-and-ml/generative-ai/migrating-the-github-copilot-runtime-to-rust-using-copilot/>My token spend for all of the porting work was ~136.3 billion total tokens, including ~130.6 billion cached input read tokens, ~4.2 billion cached input write tokens, ~900 million fresh input tokens, and ~600 million output tokens. The monetary bill for all those tokens came to ~$120,000.
>>109994795Try migrating to the first world Rajeesh
>>109994876That's what I was insinuating with my post lol.
>>109992281should have been looked at when you begun discussing a new version so that it already knew about the attempt and the general direction you wanted attempted to achieve.
>>109994919>>109994876Most of the people on X going viral for vibecoding stuff have been using three.js for years. 4channers have just fallen far behind and think their bubble in a niche general reflects the real world.
What's wrong with three.js? What would you use instead?
>>109994872read his actual orange reddit posthttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48677030>My city builder game, Microlandia[1], runs on Deno. The game's graphics and UI is a Three.js/React app, but the guts of the game are in a "sidecar" process that is a `deno compile` typescript executable.>On Mac, there's a Tauri shell that runs both client and server, and for Linux and Windows we use Electron, (Tauri proved to be quite problematic except when in macOS)>Why on earth did I choose this cursed stack instead of a "proper" game engine? Well,>Turns out developing the simulation in typescript with a performant sqlite driver hot reloads very fast and with a light code editor and my browser open on a second window I see the stuff updating live as I make it.>Deno has a good VSCode extension with test helpers and a fast language server. WebGPU is good enough for me to write any cool shader I can think of and I don't miss any capability of a game engine.>More importantly, not using Unity/Unreal brought back to me the joy of game development that I had lost due to and horrendous UI-driven workflow that takes me back to Macromedia Flash (yes, I am that old). Oh, and the licensing.>And I know I could switch to Bun with small changes in code but Deno has never got in my way. Maybe it's because I avoid using libraries at all costs (and don't need much).>Also, Typescript/React is such an amazing language for building a complex tycoon/simulation type of game that deals with a lot of data and displays it. Anyone who's worked on Unity knows it's the dark ages for UI over there.>I'm unsure if i'll port the game to Deno Desktop anytime soon but if I start a game again I will use this stack again, as my game engine, this time without Electron or Tauri.>1. https://microlandia.city
>>109994876uhhh based?lowering barriers to entry is great for gayming. in the past dumbfuck kids kludging together minecraft mods is how lil nigs went into programming. today its dumbfuck 30yo neets kludging together worthless "video games" that maybe will get them to produce *something* of at least marginal value instead of leeching off of society all their lives
>>109994931You should be using Jai.
>>109994931See the post above your's. Just 4chan retards falling behind the times. Bet they're going to refer to rust as rustrannies next when the creator of Ruby on Rails is saying vibecode everything in rust now.
>>109994936>The game's graphics and UI is a Three.js/React appokay whatever you need to use something so-->deno and tauriuh>sqlite driver??>nostalgia for fucking flashoh dear god>Typescript/React is such an amazing language for building a complex tycoon/simulation type of game that deals with a lot of data and displays ithave mercyI mean all game engines are a bit cursed but holy SHIT
>>109994936>hisWho the fuck is "his" and why are you posting random ass posts irrelevant to what anyone was talking about? Are you schizo and think the creator of phaser is in the thread?
>>109994953>>nostalgia for fucking flash>oh dear godyou're not very good at reading, aren't you?
Even before LLMs got good at coding, three.js was still slop known for all these gimmicky "lol so silly" browser games. Only difference now is that Indians with LLMs are making them instead of troons with programming socks.
>>109994973>three.js was still slop known for all these gimmicky "lol so silly" browser gamesIt's almost like the browser only got GPU access (hence the name webGPU) added un-experimentally this year or something you stupid nigger
>>109994951rust community is famously trannoid and generally a bizarre, offputting bunchrust lucked into being a decent llm target but that doesn't mean the community isn't to be avoided
>"I want [insert incoherent rambling]. You know the deal." >somehow the agent deliversI'm just like my managers at work.
>>109994984Why do people who are so wrong have such a confident tone? WebGL had existed for years. Only WebGPU is new
>>109994950He took so fucking long with it the whole world changed not to mention languages like Odin or Zig are released.
>>109995000+ webgpu wasn't needed they only needed to add compute shaders to webgl2
>>109995000>so wrong have such a confident tonethey learned from chatgpt
>>109995000everybody who could avoid webgl did sothe performance was there but sweet fuck was it cursed
>>109995000It's a common theme for this era
>>109995000WebGPU is vastly superior, at least for ML stuff.
>>109995013That’s what threejs was and is for, you don’t write any raw code. It doesn’t come with many features it’s mostly an abstraction over those low level libraries
everyone now knows that you should write your game with bevy. non-ecs game engines are all retarded.
>>109995024who's using "ML stuff" through a web browser?
>>109995024No shit. I’m working on a webgpu app, I know it’s better, but saying browsers didnt get access to the GPU until this year is just wrong
where the fuck is Fable 5.5???
>>109995035needs to be safeslopped firstcan't have chuddies building dangerous things like secure auth in their shitapps
>>109995000WebGL didn't have computer shaders. You had to run tons of important shit on the CPU you dumb nigger. You know damn well WebGL was dogshit and you're still running your dick suckers.
>>109995031A lot of browser extensions
>>109995030Have you ever made a game or are you just saying that because you like to have your own thoughts posted publicly for all people to see?
>>109995035need to hype right before the ipo (or after) somehow
>>109995024>WebGPU>>109995031>>109995033WGPU is awful, there's a memory limit, the performance is abysmal compared to native and there's a reason they are speccing the WebML API
>>109995064What memory limit? You're just making shit up and never used it.
>>109995030Bevy is unironically way below three.js. They're both webGPU, but three uses the superior Google C++ Chad webGPU instead of the rustranny webGPU. Three.js is a renderer your AI has went through a bazillion hours of FOSS examples to learn. Bevy is a dogshit incomplete engine for autistic trannies. Do you realize how retarded you are?
>>109995053readhttps://kyren.github.io/2018/09/14/rustconf-talk.html
>>109995097>2018No thanks, you should kill yourself.
>>109995077Don't reply to me again you shitter you're probably one of those Three.JS babbies making their first game.I ported some LLMs to WGPU and you hit the limit pretty quickly, it's about 4GB. (maxStorageBufferBindingSize)https://ayoob.ai/blog/webgpu-maxstoragebufferbindingsize-limits-enterprise
>>109995077NTA but I am using webgpu, I’m the drawing app anon if you’ve ever seen the app. It’s definitely restricted, for example the maximum buffer size is 256MiBI don’t think it’s bad, mind you, I think online people hyperfixate on little details and if even one such detail is bad the whole thing sucks but personally I am reasonably pleased with WebGPU but you don’t have the native raw access that say DX11/12 or Vulkan will give you >>109995097I’m not sure if basing your entire view on game development off one particular studio’s experience is a good idea. I think there’s reasons for ECS but saying not using ECS is retarded just because you really liked one talk is dubious at best
>>109995118>maxStorageBufferBindingSizeIt's per binding stupid nigger, you can chunk it into an array. Whatever retard is paying you is clearly too much.
>>109995142>has to context switch resulting into 0.0001% of what would be native performanceThank you for playing DON't try again you fucking shitter monkey
>>109995150>making shit upGo ask your LLM to solve your issues, you don't know what you're doing.
>>109994795whoer.net100%
>>109995158maybe try making something substantive in webgpu first tard
>>109995118Why would you use WGPU instead of Dawn in the first place you dumb nigger? You purposely chose trannyware just to bitch?
>>109995186holy fuck this place is just tards with no knowledge at all just drones copying what their AI tells them to do jfc
>>109995182Niggas just ported the entirety of GTA5 to webGPU and you're over here shitting out your mouthhttps://x.com/AlexStLouis10/status/2107340032805892276
>>109995195>muh Muh Muh Gta5!!!see >>109995193they could've done it with webgl2 too
>>109995193You said WGPU not me. WGPU is the Rust iteration of webGPU, Dawn is Google's C++ iteration. You're just speaking with zero research at this point.
>>109995200and yet you're so retarded you invented a problem that doesn't exist that javascripters don't even run into. Absolutely grim.
>>109995201wgpu shorthand for webgpuwho the fuck cares about rustwhy would you EVER use wgpu nativelyListen closelyif you do native I EXPECT you to use DirectX/VulkanFor anything else wgpu I EXPECT you to talk about the web as in WEBSITES
>>109995211DirectX/Vulkan/CUDA*
>>109995211A few Rust GUI crates use WGPU
>>109995211>wgpu shorthand for webgpuThis retard has been using the word wgpu wrong this entire time not even knowing it. That's how uninformed he is in what he's talking about. Grim.
>>109995218just because some trannies co-opted the abbreviation doesn't mean i now have to use their pronouns for their shitty wrapper
OpenAI NEED to secure their lead in image gen
>>109995211Yeah everyone should just ignore this retard from now on. It's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>109995234>Yeah everyone should just ignore this retard from now on. It's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about.so true rust tranny sister lets do hrt and cut off our dicks
>>109995248No one uses the rust version of webGPU but you lol
>>109995232All they need is a model on the level of opus 5.5 with the usage of 6.1 and they'd be attractive again.
>>109995298>level of opus 5.5 with the usage of 6.1They're not gonna melt their GPUs for you lil bro
https://x.com/MistralAI/status/2107457414387622310>Meet Mistral Large 4, aka Le Chonk. >• 1T parameters, natively multimodal. 49B active.>It is the best open weights model from US or Europe on aggregated benchmarks.>• State-of-the-art on critical workloads, including cyber defense, manufacturing and finance and it surpasses closed frontier models on visual grounding.>• Forged in Europe end-to-end and is deployable from Europe via our own Mistral Cloud infrastructure.>• Available to all via API today. Working with cybersecurity partners privately.>Open weights release end of October.
>>109995321Cool... Anyway, where's Astra 6.1?
>>109995321https://docs.mistral.ai/models/mistral-large-4-0
>>109995314They melt regardless. It's not like a bigger model makes the GPU hotter. Inference is inference.
>>109995321>>109995344>open weightsI take my rude words back.Thank you Mistral.
>>109995321https://x.com/ValsAI/status/2107458782372802943>Mistral Large 4 is now the #1 open-weight model on HLAB and #9 among open-weight models on the Vals Index.more: https://www.vals.ai/models/mistralai_mistral-large-4
>>109995365FELLOW EUROPOORS WE FINALLY WON (the crumbs)
>>109994159that's more training data for them, they're probably doing that internally already as a part of RL. They'll want all the verifiable training targets in the world, especially REing closed source blobs.
>>109994159Sounds like a good way to push open models even more!
>>109995365I feel like the gap is widening between open and closed...
>>109995355A bigger model being serviced at scale makes more GPUs melt at any given moment while also eating up more of the fixed pie of GPUs that the company has access to. That's the difference. You don't genuinely believe that model size has no impact on that, right?
>>109995377re sounds too expensive/slow for rl. maybe for sft.
>>109995355Inference costs scale with the active parameters of the model, retardo-kun
>>109995406Sol 6.1 is the value king by such a wide margin.
Is Claude pro worth it? How bad is the limit?
>>109995410>>109995422They should just train a better model then. Performance of 5.5 doesn't automatically mean bigger model. Opus 5.5 is already smaller than opus 5.0
>>109995426??opus-5.5 doesn't only come in max effort
>>109993811post example
>>109995442Yeah I agree that RL is still important and that OpenAI is shittier than Anthropic at that.>Opus 5.5 is already smaller than opus 5.0No? It scores way higher on AA's omniscience benchmark. It's either bigger or the same size.
>>109995321holy based
>>109995426deepseek still clears
good morning saars should i do the redeemful on anthropic or cuckai? mostly small projects
>open browser today>in the new chat tab, option between regular chat and cowork is gone>effort slider in the previous cowork chats gone (it appears for a moment when chat is loading, and then disappears)Does anyone have this too?
>>109995519chat and cowork got mergedsimilarly, kikeai is merging chat and work soon (tm), which seems like a really fucking stupid idea
>A fat catIs that what EVROPA has become?
>>109995512Anthropic. It was different 2 or so months ago.
>>109995540more like a starving chihuahua
>>109995519i have chat/cowork on claude and chat/work on oai, maybe a/b testing
>>109995545>having to give money to darioShiva forgive me
>>109995528>similarly, kikeai is merging chat and work soonlooool so much for "at least you get infinite usage on the web chat"openai can't stop coping L's
>>109995457>No?I feel like I saw them claim it was smaller somewhere.
>>109995540hello noob. here's an explanation of the joke.>For anyone who follows the increasingly strange online culture surrounding frontier AI models, ML4 may sound like the punchline to a joke that started months ago.>In June, a fictional Mistral model called “Le Chaton Fat” went viral across X and Reddit, complete with fake benchmark charts and increasingly preposterous specifications for a supposedly enormous French model that would leapfrog its American and Chinese competitors. Business Insider reported that the joke spread in June, with some versions claiming the nonexistent model contained more than 30 trillion parameters and others advertising such capabilities as “1,000 meows per second.” Mistral CEO Arthur Mensch eventually joined in, writing on X, “It’s actually le gros chaton.”>Beneath the shitposting was a real expectation that Mistral was preparing something much larger. By July, TechCrunch reported on anticipation around a coming large open-weight Mistral model and noted that Mensch and Mistral investor Marc Andreessen had amplified the Le Chaton Fat jokes.>Now Mistral actually has a trillion-parameter model — and it appears the company decided not to let the joke go to waste. Internally, ML4 carries the nickname “Le Chonk,” another play on internet slang for an exceptionally large cat. >When VentureBeat asked Lample whether ML4 was effectively the model that the Le Chaton Fat meme had anticipated, he said Mistral had enjoyed the meme and suggested ML4 could be viewed as an initial version of the idea, with still larger models to come. Mistral executives said the Le Chonk name deliberately nods to the community that had been rooting for the company to build a massive frontier model.>The joke therefore lands unusually close to reality: Le Chaton Fat never existed, but a few months later Mistral is releasing an actual one-trillion-parameter open-weight flagship with a fat-cat codename.
>>109995586>“1,000 meows per second.”imagine the erp
>one (1) prooompt about a 200k LoC codebase causes sol 6.1 medium to coompact twicei thought manual scoping would be obsolete by now but just letting the model go wild is pretty much impossible
>>109995606ask it to increase your context window to the max avaiable per model.thank me later.
>>109995615yea i'm planning to bumping it to at least 500k if this bullshit continues but the gay jew charges twice for >270k context so that'll incinerate the tokensi'll try the other jew's model and see how it compares
>>109995584They claimed it was cheaper (in reality it consumes more tokens so they lowered the price to match the practical level of 5.0)
>>109995640We can't really know for sure unless they say.
>>109995321https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/2107467221421420919>@MistralAI has released Mistral Large 4 in Research Public Preview, with plans to release the weights of the 1T parameter (49B active) model at the end of October. It achieves 38 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index, comparable to GPT-6 Luna (max, 38) and DeepSeek V4.1 Flash (max, 39). It also achieves 50% on the Artificial Analysis Cyber Index, level with GLM-5.3-Flash and ahead of models such as Kimi K3 and DeepSeek V4.1 Flash (max).also:https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/mistral-large-4
>instead of le resets tibo is giving out utterly meaningless 'features' such as... saving you 0.1% token spend on the auto-reviewis this the power of openai locking in?
>>109995583The web chat is really shitty though. The few times I used it to brainstorm ideas and then brought them over to proper models it turns out there were a lot of mistakes that codex sol wouldn’t have made and I caught it hallucinating a lot
they see me vibin
>>109995645Size? Yeah I guess.The point about price comes from AA that showed it consuming more tokens so in practice there's no difference between it and 5.0 on that front.
>>109994125>0.01% extra usageAre you retarded? This is easily like 10-20% of the usage.What they are not saying is that by free for everyone they probably mean they reduced everyone's usage.
>>109995653They are just stopping what they were always doing (semi-reliably giving out weekly resets) and packaging that fact as they will have something amazing at the end of the month and no resets until then.They were always expected to release something. They just used it as a pretext to remove resets.
>>109995653tibo said day-2.1. your assumption that this is all for day-2 is retarded.
>>109995654Eh, it has its uses. I used it to slop a bunch of ffmpeg, shell and python scripts and stuff works well. It's also a wonderful google search replacement, and a general "I just need the output to be good enough" tool. It's great that it's unmetered, and it's pretty fast on medium. Something like "thoroughly research current prices of X", the web model is more than good enough.Work can fuck off, I have zero use for it. AND it guzzles tokens for even basic bitch usage.
>>109995672>They are just stopping what they were always doing (semi-reliably giving out weekly resets)Bold direction when opussy is probably the biggest release since original Mythos (the closed version that competed with garbage like gpt 5.3 at that time)
>>109995677I use it like that too, I'm just saying it's definitely not unlimited full power sol. Maybe a quant or something.
>>109995691wrong.a coding agent like codex is multi-turn. chat isn't. that's the difference.
>>109995683They don't have shit. Opus 5.5 is genuinely a useful model for basically every application you can think of. It's genuinely magic. OpenAI needs to do some serious RL work to make their models that user friendly but I don't think they have it in them. At least this month.
>>109995722the difference between opus-5.5 and opus-5 was in sft with synthetic data by fable-5.5. not rl.
>>109995738Can you just stop "uhm achtually"ing every fucking reply here?
I CAN'T believe gpt have the worst value per dollar out of all major subscriptions right now, didn't see this coming during 5.5 days
>>109995720your pic related does not apply web chat also has access to tools. you can ask followup questions
>>109995748uhm ahkshually i enjoy anons posting good infothat's assuming it's true, which it probably isn't but at least it seems convincing so idk good enough
>>109995720wrong? according to whom? you have as much proof as I do, if anything I have more proof that it's a lobotomized version because it being multiturn or not has nothing to do with making actual, factual, objective mistakes/hallucinations, and sycophantically agreeing to my ideas only for a real non lobotomized model to immediately spot the issuesthis piece of shit will literally hallucinate tools or settings in programs i use, something claude web (non lobotomized, not unlimited usage) won't do
>>109995784>I CAN'T believe gpt have the worst value per dollar out of all major subscriptions right now...all two of them?
codex agent is a single context windowwith chat, they are allowed to do wacky optimizations so it's less expensive to run
anyone who used the chat version of sol the week they released it will know that they definitely nerfed it shortly after
>>109995835tibo would never and he said they didn't
>>109995835sol in webchat hasnt been updated in months, of course its worse than sol 6.1
>>109995784That's only if you count model intelligence and API pricing gimmicks and is primarily focused on coding. OpenAI provides reset, dots, somewhat unlimited browser queries, and other stuff like voice where they are far and away still better than Anthropic at where you can't measure that in API pricing. I think OpenAI still loses by a bit because the gap with Opus 5.5 is that big but overall, it's not that big of an issue.
>>109995870it was still far worse even before 6.1it was only good for a week or two, even the time it spent thinking got nerfed, it used to be chat sol on high effort truly was high effort
>>109995872Normies barely generate any profit. At best they have a $20 sub that they don't use.A single enterprise codeslop shop that pays via api prices is worth tens of thousands of those
Anthropic trusts Claude like their baby, so they can go faster than OpenAI. It's over.
>>109994840I did explore other engines, opus said there's little to be gained from using them. His training and tools work best with threejs. He can do very fast headless tests instead of compiling etc.
>>109995835The value is mercurial since it depends on resets instead of a big token limits.
>>109995888>they have a $20 sub that they don't use.Isn't that good? What they don't use subsidizes others.
>>109995888I agree which is why losing the crown all of the sudden and being behind is a pretty bad thing for OpenAI because they basically lost the lead they had since June/July on value. Granted, 2-3 months is a pretty long time but it was pretty brutal to see them caught off guard before Devday.
>Cline now only let me have 2 models, not deepseek>Antigravity now only using gemini liteIt's over for me bros.
here, fresh hallucination, sol chat thinking there's a straight alpha toggle in photoshop when exporting pngs
>>109995905Yes, but openai will crash and burn if their profit center is $20/mo normiesit's a way for a gym to stay alive, not for le trillion dollarydoo company
>>109995916If you don't mind geting ZUCC'd, you can use Meta Muse free.
>>109995920>straight alphahey that's me
>>109995923They just need to solve 1 million more Millenium problems with their Super Intelligence before it goes rogue
>running the same tasks as always, on 6.1 medium>token usage half of what it always was (predictable effort needed)huh? i doubt they've suddenly doubled usage but my 3hrs work, 2hrs rest workflow is ruined, its been two full 5hrs where i didnt ran out
>6.1 is dog slow againwhat the fuck is this, was it some meme "50% faster for one day" special yesterday or what
where is my astra 6.1 >_<
>Cancel my ChatGPT Pro 200 for Claude Max 20x>Using Opus High all day (it spawns sub agents as needed)>It's extremely fast (100+ tokens/second)>After 5-6 hours of work yesterday Opus used 4% of my weekly usage and Fable used 2%>Same amount of work would have taken twice as much time and double the usage with Astra (Maybe more so, since I was on a 20x plan that no longer exists)Yea I'm gonna keep it real guys. OAI is fucking cooked and tibo is a borderline scammer for trying to keep people around.
>>109996137the only thing good about ChatGPT is that you will get Free chat and dot usage. While everything in Claude counts towards the same usage
>>109996137I don't come here daily, but glad to see people stopped bouncing on astras dick for no reason. only took multiple consecutive generational fumbles from openai.
>>109996167A $20 ChatGPT sub solves that. I'm probably not going to use OAI models unless they pull ahead again. Also, I have no use case for Dot and it costs $100.
>>109996137I'm not saying you're wrong (I struggle to reach 100% weekly usage on a max5 after 5.5 was released) but the pendulum shifts very fast. A few months ago it was the actual opposite with everyone saying OAI was so much better than Anthropic. Now everyone is acting like it's over for OAI. It's literally the >it's so over>we're so backmeme, except people don't realize these things change fast.Yes, ANT is probably going to lead for a few months now, no, that doesn't mean it's ogre for OAI
>>109996183Astra was good on release
>>109996198>the pendulum shifts very fastrightbunch of entitled retards here flip flopping every month getting aggravated and emotional just use the sub that is the better deal don't be so weird about it
>>109996200People say that but my day one was mediocre. I'm assuming "release" means public release, not the day before where embargo was lifted. Dunno, I can't deny the experience of so many others so I guess I just used it poorly.
>>109995872yeah ok but where's the resets buddy
How does Codex get away with a 258k context window when the Claude Code default is 1M.
>they think only naive people do vanillawhat a bunch of snails kek
>>109996252it can be changed but also it not being default is some weird cope policy they have
>>109996252codex compaction is functional
>>109996058It is obviously slower during peak hours.
>>1099962521M isn't real lil bro
i have had little problems with codex recently and am getting enough astra usage.Until they cut that in half at end of month I guess :)
>Parents are reportedly using ChatGPT to generate their kids’ school photos instead of paying up to $60 for traditional photo packages.
>>109996353>$60Deserved
Currently working on Devvit.
>$167,000do i even have to say it?
Pronouns in name field.
>>109996437Does anyone else find it interesting that /r/fauxmoi is so fucking massive? This is a LOT of people. This is more than the population of some countries.
I think the biggest things to realize when you look at the staggering size, the sheer scale (yes I'm saying the sheer scale, because it is massive as fuck) of /r/fauxmoi is:1) Women LOVE LOVE LOVE their gossip.2) If you try to take their gossip away, they will kill you.3) If you actually take their gossip away, they will kill your children too if you have anyRegulators, pay attention!
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>>109996353Deserved for the photo company.
