>>110001971Nice, now all my outgoing email can automatically go into someone's spam folder.
>>110001971>Mozilla>privacykek, just configure Claws
I just want an email service that isn't going to delete my shit after 1 year of not clicking the icon that i have to keep on my bookmarks bar so that i intentionally click if every so often so i don't lose all my shit in 1 year.In fact, the fear of losing all my game accounts/services (that i no longer have) is the main reason why i just stopped using email and any service that requires an email to sign up.User/pass was the optimal account strategy for non-retards, assuming they were encrypted on the sites side.
iCloud and apple mail just works Never needed anything else
>>110001971>no built in PGP>but IMAPWhy cant they just do both? Mailbox.org manages to...
>>110002043There's a lifetime plan for Proton Pass that makes your email non-expiring as a side effect. I've considered buying it just for that, but it's like $200 and I can't afford it right now. The plan isn't always available to buy though; I think it was back for a while earlier this year.
>>110001971>Trust the money sink corporation that donated $387,000 of their Google provisioned budget to an abortion and trans support foundation and said "We need more than deplatforming" with your emails.You'd have to be stupid to do this.
>>110002170Free proton emails dont "expire" what are you talking about
>>110002170Ooh, I just checked, and it looks like the lifetime plan still shows up in Pass's upgrade options. Haven't tried clicking further into the purchase process though.>>110002200https://proton.me/support/inactive-accounts>If you’re on a Proton Free plan, your account must stay active to avoid deletion. To keep your account active, sign in to Proton and use one of our services at least once a year.This was announced like 3 years ago.
>>110002043Hate this shit with tutanota makes me not want to use it even though it seems like the best option. Thats how they churn money out of you by dangling account deletion over your head
I use gmail for disposable accounts, would move some over but it depends on the domain name.
>>110002043>>110002262If you paid $1 to proton your account will never be deleted retard, unlike the cuck tutanota
I just renewed my proton sub for another 2 years.
>>110002959What services of theirs do you use?
>>110002997Mostly the e-mail, drive, and occasionally the VPN. 190 USD for 2yrs, pretty good deal.
>>110001971>trusting Mozilla for privacy
>>110003170Remember when Google deleted "Don't be evil" as their motto? Yeah...
>>110002947yeah but cucknota changed that years later, I just logged in one day and all my mail was gone. I remember when AOL did that too. Lost all my early internet emails.
>>110002647tutanota is not that great anyway and the search may as well not exist
>>110003171Trust me bro is how society functions though.. somehow
>>110002947They used to have a line promising that explicitly, but it was removed in a revision a few years back. People took that to mean the deal had been altered, and complained about it at the time. I'm trying to find if there was any official response confirming or denying the intent, but I wouldn't count on it at this point.Old version:https://web.archive.org/web/20221016093820/https://proton.me/support/inactive-accounts>If you are or have been a paid Proton subscriber at any point in time, your account will permanently be considered active. Anyone that has ever paid for a Proton plan is exempt from this policy.Policy change announcement and reactions:https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1bzt1ka/protons_new_policy_for_free_inactive_accounts/
>>110002043you just need a paid email service lol you can achieve this with $1 a month. I check my mail like twice a year
>>110003181For me, it was Yahoo. The address revived when I revisited it, but I lost all my old messages with childhood friends. Fuckers.
>>110001971privacyfreedomlibertay
>>110001978kek /thread
>>110001971so mozilla is creating a paid mail service and theyre not even maintaining the mailclient themselves anymore?
>Proton competitorWith these prices, probably not. Also proton is much more than just email
>>110002198>$387,000 I bet that's less than a hundreth of what they get from selling your data.Mozilla literally lies to your face about privacy and open source by the way.
>>110001971at least i can use it on betterbirb,,
>>110003637yeah but I'd trust Mozilla more than Mossad, but not by much to be fair.
>>110003658I'm sorry did you have a point
>>110003004>200 dollars for email and file storageWhat a terrible way to waste money
iCloud+ $1 per month:- 50 GB of storage- iCloud Private Relay- Hide My Email- Custom Email Domains- Apple Invites- HomeKit Secure Video support for recording for one camera
>>110003791Thanks ChatGPT
>>110003792No problem – if you need anything else, just ask.
>>110001971YOU CAN'T EVEN CONNECT VIA IMAP TO PROTONMAIL. YOU ALWAYS NEED A PROTON SPY APP.HOLY FUCKING SHITI SEE PROTON SHILLS REGULARLY. THEY ALL LIVE LIKE THIS?EVEN GMAIL ALLOWS IMAP, LOL
>>110002161If the PGP encryption doesn't happen on your local client, you might as well not do it at all.
>>110001971I would have been interested in this 15 years ago or so.Imagine trusting Mozilla with your data in [current year].
>>110002262>This was announced like 3 years ago.And strangely enough, they didn't delete my accounts. They did nuke all of my emails, though.>>110002947>unlike the cuck tutanotaHere's the infuriating part: if they've deleted your account for inactivity, you can't recreate an account with the same handle UNLESS you pay. And if you pay, no questions will be asked.You can hijack any account by doing this if someone left it dormant for too long. It's utterly retarded.
>>110002200>free proton emails don't expire>>110002947>ok, they do, so just pay>>110003950>it didn't happen to me yet, despite they saying that they will do itNot using your jew mail bullshit.The only way to access your protonmail account is by running code made by them.It is retarded. It is probably the most untrustwrothy and insecure mail provider there is.
>>110004023I'm not endorsing Proton, retard.
>>110003950>You can hijack any account by doing this if someone left it dormant for too longsource?https://tuta.com/support#ddithis says:>If you still have the correct credentials for the deleted account, you can re-use the same address(es) with a new paid account by adding them either as extra addresses or users.
>>110004041good, because everybody who does deserves a bullet in their headBecause how the fuck can you excuse someone taking an open standard that functions for decades... and botch it and only allow it through their own proprietary spyware garbage.When proton did their advertising claim of "encryption", it was obviously a marketing stunt and everybody could see that this is worthless....encrypting a mail after they read it, in a way they can always decrypt it.... but disallowing IMAP, that's a whole different level and they do not get enough shit for this.Nobody should ever consider protonmail. This is inexcusable.
>>110004051>source?I did it.I didn't reuse my old creds, I just reused the address these faggots nuked and I got no warning or anything.Had to pay for a month of service, which pissed me off. I moved all of my accounts out of Tuta within 24h of doing so. I guess they've killed my account again by now.>inb4 I don't believe youNot my problem, faggot. Create a dummy account, let it die and see for yourself.
>>110004094>Create a dummy account, let it die and see for yourselfI have a bunch of these that I registered over past years as throwaways, so I guess I can give it a go later today. If they make me pay before asking for the deleted account's credentials then I'll have to believe you because I'm not giving them my money. So do I just go via the new account route and try to sign up with the existing email address?
Proton would be perfect if it let me use it for custom emails. The encryption shit is pointless, it just makes custom clients a hurdle.
Why do you guys need an email client? Just open the respective email thing in your browser no?
>>110004444You can use custom domains (on a paid account).
>>110003779Why - seems good value to me, I like it, and cba porting over to something else.
>>110003891That's because Google doesn't encrypt the body of e-mails - are you okay?
>>110001971>Thundermail
>>110004482I meant to say "custom email clients"
>>110003170i hate seeing that gay faggots face
>>110004495If you use IMAP over TLS, then the connection from you to the email service is encrypted.Which is THE SAME THING that protonmail does. Yes, the email service then decrypts it, which protonmail DOES AS WELL.So yes, Google offers the exact same security.The only difference is that protonmail forces you to use their own idiotic proprietary binaries, while everybody else allows you to use any email client of your choosing.Why does protonmail do this?Everybody knew that protons claim of encryption is retarded. But breaking compatibility with standards is a no-go.Protonmail is LESS SECURE than google mail because of this.Using gmail on a random FOSS email client with IMAP and TLS is infinitely more secure and private than running protonmails proprietary garbage. Be it over their webclient or their dumb bridge binary.If you suggest protonmail, and claim that it is more secure or private, the only question that remains is if you are malicious or dumb.Are you just so fucking incredibly dumb that you don't understand the implications of relying on a proprietary binary blob to reimplement something that already exists? Then why do you comment on that subject? Just shut the fuck up and let people talk who understand this stuff.Or are you malicious and you want to shill that crap because you want people to be spied on by your corpo / government?
>>110004987 (Me)I also wonder why i never see anyone pointing out this obvious security flaw in protonmail.If someone would just say:>protonmail doesn't support IMAPThen everybody could just move on.Into the trash it goes.Bye bye.This is not a serious option.
I have never used any email client ever.
>>110005063Nobody asked
I have never used any computer ever.
>>110004490The world seems flat. Doesnt mean it is.
>>110005086Why are you getting mad about the products other people chose to buy? Suggest something else at least.
>>110005070Not yet.
>>110005063>i only ever communicate via dynamically loaded javascript blobs, fetched from a remote server, in a webbrowserThen any claim of encryption is only performative.You get that, right?
>>110005100Correct
>>110004987(NTA, and I don't use anything Proton, but) if you set up the bridge in a VM outside your LAN, or on some SBC so that it doesn't touch the hardware you daily drive, and use your favorite IMAP client, would that be equivalent in security/privacy to gmail? btw it looks like the bridge is GPLv3: https://github.com/ProtonMail/proton-bridge unless they do some kikery to prevent custom builds from talking to their prod environment or something (didn't bother to check)
>>110005103I barely use email as it is. And my work has its own web client.
>>110005126>would that be equivalent in security/privacy to gmailNo, because running malware in a sandboxed environment is still less secure than not running malware in the first place.>bridge is GPLv3That's nice, but having standards with multiple independent FOSS implementations is much better.Imagine a website shipping its own version of https, that is only accessible via it's own clients... just imagine how dumb this would be.Would you trust that their personal https implementation is more secure?
>>110005152That's why i use google mail.Why would i bother with anything else?
>>1100044492 hours no response, I guess everyone that uses a separate program for mail is just an inbred subhuman that only argues with people throwing around buzzwords on a dying imageboard.
>>110005248A dumb self-evident question needs no response.If you can't see the advantage in having all your email accounts from different providers combined in one interface... what is there to talk about with you?>you just like to argueobviously not, or else your low-hanging fruit question would have gotten a reply
>>110001971Interesting, I'd probably trust this over Proton. I wonder if they'll actually make any money from it
>>110001978i send like 3 emails a year
>>110001971>>110005385Reddit says to avoid it.
>>110005660>company being German or Swiss gives you more protectionlmao, do redditors actually believe this?
>>110005660might as well use gmail because they're all out to fuck you regardless.
>>110005660I do a lot of work in compliance across multiple major regions and the patriot act is a huge issue for data residency requirements across EU, UK, and the commonwealth countries. Essentially the redditor is correct, but there will be different impacts based on the region you're in. However if the registered owners of a company are in the continental US, it doesn't matter where the data is stored/processed, you're still exposed to any legal (or illegal given the current US gov) government requests that come in, and they don't even need to be public ones when you consider the MO of the glowniggers
>>110005991The USA had to proxy the data captured through ANOM via EU countries, because EU countries had less strict privacy laws than the US.Germany MitMs OVH servers hosted in their countries.
>>110006015yeah it's a weird balance where EU definitely has a greater level of consumer protections but on the tech side they're still fairly behind the general FedRAMP/CMMC across the US agencies. We ran into this big frenzy with prov 29 in the UK at the start of the year which essentially was just, please make a DR plan and providing evidence of annual testing, compared with even the lightweight stuff like NIST 800-171 or CSF, it's just not even close. Even with all of that the rest of the world is still terrified of Bush-era policies thinking the US gov is going to steal all their data, when in reality it's just the AI companies and browser fingerprinting building complex individual profiles on the general public
>>110006076>providingI swear I'm not indian, I'm just on a meeting and distracted lol
>>110006076>EU definitely has a greater level of consumer protectionsVW sold millions of cars within the EU that exhausted literal poison above any threshold, and the EU did nothing, while the USA banned those cars and forced VW to give the consumers full refunds.
>>110006086fair, maybe better to say they're attempting to appear as if they have better consumer protections when in reality it's just introducing measures they can use to control and/or gather data on the population. But they're definitely NOT the big bad US so everything is perfectly above board of course
What I really want is a new digital mail format that makes messaging as easy as self hosting a website. Email ought to die, but there's so much inertia. I bet it can be done pretty easily.
>>110001971where is it basedanyway>email>secure or private
posteo just works
>>110004087Proton does suck but it works well as a form of introduction towards more private/secure alternatives for normalfags. It's less about the product and more about making people slowly adopt the culture of caring about this stuff, even if I do agree that the marketing they flood the internet with has a tendency to make people feel comfortable and secure. Eternal reminder that they are government snitches, and have often been caught lying on social media (>GOOGLE READS YOUR EMAILS - only for them to also be shown to do the same. whoever is managing their community on twitter is a huge retard)
>>110006217>form of introduction towards more private/secure alternativesThe opposite, it normalized a false pretense. It turns "privacy" into a meaningless buzzword.If you want to teach someone to care about his privacy, the first step would be to tell him to stop using webmail garbage.And i can do that with gmail, but can't do that with protonmail.You can setup a local email client with PGP/MIME with gmail... you can't do that with protonmail. Except if you run their application 24/7 in the background, but it should be obvious why that is problematic and why you wouldn't want to normalize that.And shills shilling insecure protonmail make it harder for everyone else to learn how its done properly.Even if you are a turbo autist and really care, when you google about that subject you will get flooded with idiotic dumb spam and lies by protonmail shills.That protonmail forces you to run their applications baffled me so hard, it's unreal. I don't believe that people are this stupid, i am convinced that this is a propaganda operation.
