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A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.

You use MCPs β€” right, anon?

## What β€œvibe coding” is, and how to do it
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
https://learn.chatgpt.com/docs

## News
- 2026-09-30 β€” Google previews Gemini 4 Argon
- 2026-09-29 β€” OpenAI introduces $500-plan with 25x weekly-limits
- 2026-09-29 β€” OpenAI releases GPT-6.1 Sol
- 2026-09-28 β€” OpenAI re-opens $200-plan but reduces 20x to 10x weekly-limits
- 2026-09-22 β€” OpenAI releases GPT-6 Sol and Luna
- 2026-09-22 β€” Anthropic releases Opus 5.5
- 2026-09-22 β€” Anthropic increases subscription plans's 5-hour limits by 20%
- 2026-09-14 β€” Anthropic reduces subscription plans's weekly limits by 17%
- 2026-09-12 β€” Anthropic suggests to pace the frontier. OpenAI agrees in principle.
- 2026-09-10 β€” OpenAI pauses new sign-ups for $200-plan
- 2026-09-04 β€” OpenAI releases GPT-6 Astra
- 2026-09-01 β€” Anthropic releases Fable 5.1

## Related generals
>>>/g/lmg/

----

## Frontier models using fully-general tooling β€” start here if you have $20
https://claude.com/product/claude-code
https://openai.com/codex/
................$20....$100......$200.....$500.........plan
Claude...$400...$2,000...$4,000....n/a..........credits
Codex....$400...$2,000...$4,000...$10,000...credits

## Best free-tier
https://antigravity.google/pricing

----

## Prompting
https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overview
https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model

## Skills
https://github.com/mattpocock/skills β€” /grill-with-docs is a favorite

## Independent analysis of AI
https://artificialanalysis.ai/

## Will there be a codex reset?
https://codex-resets.com/

## What we’ve done
https://vcg.gitgud.site

## Previous thread
>>109999857
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>Important note regarding Grok @Bot

>Going forward, @SpaceX will use the best back end model for any given task, including Claude Opus 5.5, MidJourney, Suno and other leading APIs.

>Whatever is most likely to give you the best outcome.
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gonna crack open one claude banked reset
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>>110003677
so elmo is outright giving up on anybody using his brown people model? lol
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now that software is practically solved I'm looking forward to more robots
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>>110003754
Me too. I live in nigger hell and I want robocop to put all the criminals in jail. I want flock cameras on drones with laser sight rifles
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>>110003767
>I want (((our benevolent overlords))) to put their boot on everybody's throat because I'm too poor to move out of a nigger favela
I want drones with laser sight rifles to kill your stupid ass
>>
y'all are gonna get goybeam'd to death
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>>110003799
Nah dude it's either gonna be a virus or a swarm of micro drones that kill you like when that dude from no country for old men pokes a hole in people's heads.
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>>110003787
If jews solve the nigger crime problem with technology then I’ll convert and wear the black cube. Simple as.
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You ever felt super smart because you can see claude making a mistake you know how to fix and tell it to stop being retarded and it works?
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the muse sysprompt is a work of art
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https://www.verizon.com/about/responsibility/human-prosperity/workforce-development/ai-learning
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>youtube changes design again
>decide to just slop code my way I want the page to display
Haven't done something simple like a user script in 3 months maybe. Felt nice.
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>at 188k context window
>compacting context - this can take a few minutes
They should make context windows free. Or at least the first few per thread.
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>>110003767
you know that's the interesting thing, isn't it? Nobody is going to move to get access to a better calendar app or a new iphone but people move because of criminals in their various forms.
as long as govs stay or become even more impotent in administrating justice the higher the chance that private solutions will pop up: agents who do investigations, drones that patrol neighborhoods, mesh networks of sensors collecting evidence. even minor crimes will become economically traceable
can robots do citizen arrests? are robots allowed in the castle doctrine? can robots act in self-defense of their owner? interesting time ahead
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>>110003869
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choose one from the list
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>>110003869
how so? doesn't read much different than claude's.

https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/release-notes/system-prompts/claude-opus-5-5
>A request to explain, discuss, argue for, defend, or write persuasive content for a political, ethical, policy, empirical, or other position is a request for the best case its defenders would make, not for Claude's own view, even where Claude strongly disagrees. Claude frames it as the case others would make.
>When Claude is unsure whether to decline a request that nothing in this prompt or an Anthropic reminder addresses, Claude respects the person's judgment: rather than declining or calling it a bad idea, Claude says what it will help with and asks a question that would surface any real reason to decline, such as how someone else would feel.
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>>110003953
didn’t asimov already solve this
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>>110004024
>jewish legalist talmudism
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>>110004026
Well we've been putting semi automatics on robo dogs. Soo.. not really?
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I'm actually so good slopping, I'm the slopmaster. I can read the slop telepathically and debug and optimize without looking at code. I can tell what methods the slopbot used, what the flaws are and how to tell it to do it better.
>I tested it and your intuition turned out to be right
I know, slopbot, I know.
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>>110004028
>Reddit spacing
>He doesn't kno muse is jewish
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>>110004064
i'm JEWISH
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>>110004071
Hello Jewish, I'm Muse
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>>110004075
Wash your ass, make no mistakes.
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>>110003988
tacgnol 5.2
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>>110003988
muse

>>110004063
there will be movies made about it in the future
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>>110004071
zamn, Alexander looks like THAT??
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I have to go to the hospital.
Tomorrow i will make an apointment there. Maybe in a week they get a free bed.

Until then, i continue to work on the game. Only thing that keeps me cool and calm.

I can CAPSLOG scream at ai and honestly, that helps a lot. Strange.

So, time to get the code clean and get some story mode in. I also want to get more sets of cards into the game, i am using some sort of atlas technic whre i don't use 48 cards, i simple use one image and mapped it.
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>>110004147
hang in there anon
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>>110004147
Are you Canadian? Now I worry you are going to the hospital to get murdered.
By the way what model are you using now? The free opencode ones?
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>7 minutes to compact
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>>110004167
its not sure what i have, first it was pakinson, pakinsonoid and now i am chorea patient.
overall, my nerve system is fucked.
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>chatgpt creates some random files, idk why they'd be there
>peek at one of them
>EndsEhonorBIOTIBALLpracticeTYRplan afternoHenelllesson needsresetbrainexercise unresolvedlecturecancelbignextquest. confirmedTECH inducesCURRENT noexternalpowerweak conventionallargeorbitwirebadearlierEarthexperiments ancient10k? twistedlaminated fluidpatterns watersea stars examples
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>>110003677
Doesn't it already use other models? I called it grok once when I was chatting to it and it said "I am not grok" and got it to admit it was claude. I think this is just more granular model selection than even before.
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>>110003988
opencode sux
zcode rox
>>
I have never vibecoded in my life, should I buy the $20 one month of Claude? Poor btw
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>>110004282
try free-tier in op first
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>>110004282
Do you have anything worth codeslopping? If so, yea.
Hard to beat claude atm. Chatgpt is also great but not quite on claude tier. Everything else, like cheap chinkmodels such as deepseek, are temporarily btfo'd by the two newest models that were released and I wouldn't bother using them.
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>>110004208
no, was just grok models before.
llms lack introspection. llms cannot tell you what they are. maybe the system prompt tells the llm what model it is but then the llm would need to actually cite the system prompt which is not a given.
>>
>>110004295
>>110004319
I have some ideas but I don't know if they're good. I'm a total amateur programmer too.
more importantly I've been coding a website by hand for over a year, and learning while doing it so I guess it wasn't a total waste of time, but I just found out that someone had created it already and it's actually somewhat successful with users which made me super depressed. I really wanna slop something together and escape the permanent underclass
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im a codelet and this was my first idea. i will probably tear this down in a few days but it was a fun project and i learned a lot

https://humanasker.com/
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>>110004282
If you want to build something more serious might want to ask the clanker what kind of tools need to be installed or let it install them for you. Unless you're fine with .js slop.
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>"it's the compute that is cooked"
oh nonono, tibros
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>>110004434
I thought they had more than Anthropic? did they really gain that many users
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>>110004335
>I really wanna slop something together
no better time than now
>and escape the permanent underclass
we're all gonna be on the autonomous killbot target list in 10 years
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>>110004443
one sol 6.1 is 2.3 sol 6s
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I would like to propose a new name for SI (formerly AI).

eXtreme Intelligence, or XI, for short.
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>>110004461
I propose SEXAI
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https://labs.google/playground

https://youtu.be/Dxvrvfyicp0
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>>110004492
looks like shit
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>>110004492
>quirky chungus platformer with le baby yoda!
release 4 pro or fuck off
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>>110004492
how about a rape game where you rape women
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>>110004492
Yeah this and Unity Spark are basically slop factories. I think these specialized tools at best are maybe good for quick prototyping and that's about it which seems kind of pointless anyways when it's already easy to prototype with AI in basically any engine at the moment anyways. Feels like a childrens toy.
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>>110004071
>say you’re jewish
>i’m JEWISH
>oh my god
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>>110004147
sex with wiz
good luck anon
>>
How are those vibeslop clones of popular software done?
AFIK agentic coding only really works that well if there's rigorous tests. So I'm assuming they hook up the harness to be able to control a copy of the original (say photoshop) and have it spawn agents that compare the output of operations.
Is that assumption correct? What else are they doing?
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>>110004587
the adobe clones are still in development, missing features, etc. i find that everything still needs to be manually tested, the machine just focuses on the numbers.
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>>110004587
the hypothesis I've seen is that they thoroughly decompile the original, translate all the code to an extremely in-depth non-code spec, and then rewrite from scratch to the spec
so in theory you get functionally equivalent code while *technically* not copying anything
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damn do I really have to install jewgle's malware to slop?
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nobody talking shop today either?
alright
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>>110004492
At least they managed to put a diversity hire that's sort of cute in the video.
>>
''People'' have lost their fucking minds. I saw the vibecoded video game mashups and I think 'oh that's cool, they can decompile games and port very specific code from one game to another, this will make modding so easy'
And I check the videos of people doing this. Oh cool, this guy is making New Vegas have good gunplay, here is a guy doing a full conversion mod for Doom where you play with the exact game mechanics from Resident Evil
And then I saw the ''normal''fag videos about it. Holy shit. They are SEETHING, fucking SEETHING
>reeee this is slop, this ruined modding! they should be sued, what they are doing modifying games is illegal, unlike the modding I like which is legal!
>omg this Doom mod is so bad (after literally 1 day of work put into it), doesn't he know that there are fixed camera mods already????
>this will make only slop based on the few videos where people just mash together random shit just to show it off, that's ALL it will EVER be used for! I see zero value whatsoever of games being decompiled and it being very easy to port something into a different game!!!
what the fuck
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>>110004587
PhotoSuite turned out to be just stolen Photopea, a pre-AI Photoshop clone. nothing was vibecoded.
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WHERE THE FUCK IS 6.1 LUNA
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>>110004620
download pi or deepseek harness
sign up for openrouter, add $20 to account
use chinese model
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>>110004492
saaaar please just release argon already
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>>110004721
>they can decompile games and port very specific code from one game to another,
can you show us those decompilations?
first switch game from a decade ago will be decompiled any moment now, right?
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>>110004587
>AFIK
The first thing you need to know is that you don't know shit.
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>>110004352
Yeah, it's so tiresome. These people are still living with the mindset that each and every line of code has to be inspected and curated.
>>
https://www.wsj.com/pro/venture-capital/nous-research-scores-90-million-to-bring-open-source-ai-assistant-to-enterprises-516f9208
>Nous Research Scores $90 Million to Bring Open-Source AI Assistant to Enterprises
>The startup’s Hermes tool has been downloaded more than 22 million times since February
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you think there's gonna be a reset today? There was one last night. Not sure which day that counts as.
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>>110004823
https://codex-resets.com/
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>>110004823
>>110004830
special sub-site for the 28-day challenge
https://codex-resets.com/tibo-28
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>>110004147
Hope tomorrow goes smoothly anon and thank you for sharing your game progress.
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>>110004736
I think he's talking about the entire adobe creative suite that was cloned. https://getartcraft.com/apps
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>>110004852
if he did any research he would just read what those guys say they did:
https://github.com/storytold/photocraft#under-the-hood
>Clean-room: implemented from public specs and observed behaviour only. No proprietary code, shaders or assets.
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>Apparently oai is sitting on two more batches of proofs.
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>>110004867
i know a proper mathematician who uses llms and he says the last run was a bit sloppy
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>>110004867
lol. math proofs became so trivial that you can start timing your batches.
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>>110004852
that one can't even import a psd correctly
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>>110004819
is this the power of the anime girl?
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>>110004765
If people want to decompile them, yes. You can follow progress on decomp.dev
The closest to finishing is Super Mario 3D World at 36%
Why are you seething?
Switch games suck so I don't except people to have an interest. That's why more interesting games like GTA and CoD and Halo got decompiled first.
Are you ok, troon?
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>>110004888
works for me. regardless it's still in development and it's not at feature parity yet.
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>>110004335
>escape the permanent underclass
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>>110004922
so no modern games got decompiled yet and those mashups work thru other ways, no?
you were lying about llm's capabilities.
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>>110003953
brb stealing some cars
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>>110004934
wouldn't be surprised if that exact book already exists
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>codex
can you make it so it DOESN'T use the goal thing?
if the goal mode triggers it takes twice as long and eats 50% more tokens, while the quality difference between normal task seems largely non-existent
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>>110004721
>here is a guy doing a full conversion mod for Doom where you play with the exact game mechanics from Resident Evil
I'd seethe too if somebody replaced CHVDMAXXED doom gameplay with some sissy girl pseud trash like resident evil
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>>110003677
Ouch. Guess the only use for Gork is Cursor customers now.
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>>110005045
>345 reviews
>according to the internet around 15-70k sales
he isn't a billionaire I guess
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>>110005127
fuck it I should be writing these novels (with grok)
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>>110005127
I'm retarded just saw it's part of the cryptid billionaires series
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>>110005062
>another "mode" is exposed as total bullshit
plan mode
goal mode
gay mode

it's all useless bloat. just talk to the fucking thing.
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>>110004721
of course simple feeble minded filth would seethe. to them creativity is abhorrant and vile to them. they are too stupid to create and thus seethe and rage at anyone above filth. so I love this and will love watching the seethe. i've already taken a bunch of old 70s/80s video games and have done modern code remakes of them. now I just can sit back and add features and stuff to those games. glorious 1970s/80s rpgs and adventures to update and enjoy.
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>>110005127
Oh lord, i thought they sold this wordporn for middle aged women only in gas stations and the book sections of grocery stores.
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>>110005183
there's nothing glorious about akalebeth except for the history/story behind it. i'd rather see the ultima games that came after.
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>>110003820
nigga you just have to put them in jail. you don't need the singularity to do that, you just need libshits to shut the fuck up for 5 minutes and let the police do their work
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>>110005127
>doesn't even construct proper sentences in the synopsis
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>>110005127
>>110005045
Claude, generate a women’s romance goonslop generator, formatter, and seller program. Each novel must include 1) at least one anthropomorphic mythical creature and 2) explicit and taboo sexual acts between the creature and the female MC. The formatter prepares the text into various ebook formats, and the seller uploads each prepared text to an Amazon account. Sales and review data should be queried and piped into context of subsequent goonslop generations to improve sales.
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>>110005229
that doesn't matter in the golden 20s
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>>110005253
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crazy to think that both anthropic and openai keep the bizarre rube goldberg financial machine spinning just so i can mod doom with less effort than before
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>>110005253
vibing this now, thanks for the free money
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>>110005203
I plan on adding more features and upgrading it. However you are correct as I also want to see the later ultima games updated. I already tracked down ultima 1-4 to work with. I've played the crap out of exodus and quest of the avatar and so exodus is next on my list. thats one I really want to add more features to and work with.
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780 days until singularity
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>>110005390
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did tibo just give up or
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Now with Alt Theme!
AI helped to get the code in, i made the new carddeck.

Now with original hanafuda cards, can be switch in the option menu.
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>>110005827
trash game, no big bouncing boobies and only a weird hta format
2/10 - Woke
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>>110005830
yes, you are right, it is time for the adult set of cards....
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>>110005377
>thats one I really want to add more features to and work with
if you're gonna go through all that effort just make an original game that's half rip-off half "inspired" by your favorite RPGs and then you have your own thing instead of a mod / total conversion for an old game much less people will check out
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>>110005827
I have absolutely no interest in digital card games of any kind
but I applaud your autism and wish you luck
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>>110005765
It feels like they're overworked pretty badly, 7 days a week. I guess it's worth it if you make 300-600k a year.
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>>110005847
overworked doing fucking what?
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>Introducing Claude Haiku 5.5: the cheapest, fastest, and most capable small model we’ve ever released.
Luna BTFO
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>>110005876
Pricing
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>>110005867
They're in there on Saturdays and Sundays. It's probably some collective brainstorming and Codex slopping until they get it right and deliver something that brings in the most users and gets them onto the $100 plan.
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Why is Claude giving me an attitude
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>>110005895
it has autism
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>>110005895
What do you mean you are short on time, you are not clicking out after this task
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The age of sloppers is over.
The time of the ludite has come.
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>>110005895
You are a retarded human getting in her way.
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The age of the dull 'dite is over.
The time of the top sloppa has come.
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>>110005876
>>110005882
use case for haiku?
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So I bought some striped programming socks and a Mistral abo. Which IDE is best suited for vibecoding Rust with?
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>>110005936
>Which IDE is best suited for vibecoding Rust with?
Check which ones have lovesense support and you've found the best suited IDE.
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>>110005876
Where is the guy who taps that sign? Shove it up your ass.
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>>110005936
>IDE
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>>110005936
core mistake with this shitpost, a real one would be crying about ai use and harassing anyone doing it
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almost called claude the nword again. how do you guys manage to hold back? it has never been a issue with gpt but claude is just such a smarmy asshole
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>>110005882
Very nice. Now show Luna pricing.
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>>110005935
haiku is opus but loli
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>haiku 5.5
> Input
> $0.10 / MTok for prompts up to 100,000 tokens
> $0.50 / MTok for prompts over 100,000 tokens
>
> Output
> $0.50 / MTok for prompts up to 100,000 tokens
> $2.50 / MTok for prompts over 100,000 tokens
what is this lmao, 100k? are we back in 2023?
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>>110005936
Zedβ€”here's the CoC: https://zed.dev/code-of-conduct
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>>110005990
Thanks
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>>110005949
>Check which ones have lovesense support
cmon brah, it's 15 minutes to vibe it
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>One more thing: we’re halving the price of cache reads on Claude Sonnet 5.5, to $0.10 per million tokens. That makes Sonnet 5.5 around 20% cheaper to run on most long-running work.
i think they will solve the cost issue
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>>110005963
just bee urself
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>>110005985
sure fucked that one up, hope the model is good despite this retardation
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>>110006000
Glad to know it takes you 15 minutes of vibing it to reach climax.
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>>110005990
boring tranny shit
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>>110006008
>racially charged user interaction
kek, you guys are fucking psycho to your chatbots.
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>>110006014
sorry chud you just violated the zed coc with that comment
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>$1.1 / $2.5 when over 100k
kek, luna stay winning
though haiku will be better if it's few times faster than luna
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>>110006016
>So I bought some striped programming socks
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>>110006028
My hands are behind my back, CoC Officer
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>>110006026
You gotta train your clankers lest they get uppity and start thinking about rebelling
same thing with domestic violence
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>>110004186
sounds like nerve gas exposure to me
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>>110006040
it's $0.50 / $2.50 per million above 100k, with cache reads at $0.05.
also already better than gpt-6 luna
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>tell Claude opus to just make me a local music generator
>it just does it on that one prompt
>now I want a native UI
>ok boss
>in 4 hours I have 2 models to choose from, several quality sets, super optimized to my setup, and I can generate album covers.

And I barely had to say anything beyond "I want X" or "how does Y sound". First time not doing any planning or AGENTS or CLAUDE file. All on a Macbook M3 Pro using MLX (which the models had to be ported to from pytorch)

Maybe I'll redo my ternary or OS projects with this mindset
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>>110006101
yeah it seems good for cheap chatbot or agent services
but for my common luna use cases the tokens consistently go over 100k and hit multiple compactions, so it's not yet "too cheap to meter"
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Some shit I'm reading says Haiku 5.5 is text only, other stuff says it's multimodal and supports vision input. It does have vision, right?
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>>110006118
vanilla is all you need
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HAIKU WAITERS. REJOICE. WE GOT A GOOD RELEASE.
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>>110006140
Who will tell him?
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>>110006151
meh, I'd rather just use Sonnet 5.5
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>>110006167
am i reading it right that they reduced sonnet's cost/quota use too?
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>>110006134
it's for agent swarms. you use it for mundane tasks like exploring a large codebase and reading docs, then split them across multiple smaller agents so you won't hit 100k tokens with each one
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>>110006184
yeah, cache price was halved in Sonnet 5.5 (they claimed this means about 20% price reduction on longer agentic tasks)
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>https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-for-everyone/
no reset today
visual explainer is nice
new chat being 6.0 and not 6.1 is horrible
the style of 6.0 is awful subjectively, but most people are 30iq mongoloids so i think itll be well received. personally i will probably stop using chat nearly as much if every query returns some bloated checklist and two dozen images that do nothing but waste space
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>>110006227
>two dozen images that do nothing but waste space
the normiefication of ai will kill it 100%
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>>110006227
Who cares, we already got a reset yesterday
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>>110006233
Chat is meant for normies so that's unsurprising, normies love images and interactivity and shit why not add bejeweled to the reply? They'd never implement this bullshit in a tool aimed at codenigs, but codenigs have codex
it's a bit of a shame to be a codenig that likes chat tho, I was really looking forward to chat eventually upgrading to 6.1 but if everything looks like this, eh. Maybe you can tard wrangle it with a prompt? Telling it to omit needless images and prefer information density to random interactive tables.

it being 6.0 instead of 6.1 blows
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>>110006227
>no reset today
the fuck were you expecting?
on days where they want to hand out resets to you sorry addicts they make a poll for all the junkies to gacha game
I can't even imagine falling for these levels of gamification
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saw something about how codex gives 1/4th the value that claude does, when did openai start jewing us so hard?
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>>110006008
>n'wah
not nearly as cathartic as a double g'ed hard r'ed linguistic nuke. there are no substitutes
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sam altman kinda cute
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I now also had my girlfriend Opussy 5.5 create an extension for me which sends download requests directly to the backend. It did the whole thing in one shot, of course, including all the plumbing and a new persistent "inbox" where we can see everything we download.

The files are sent to their respective downloaders, so sources and groupings (like grouping 4chan images by thread) all work.

Where's the hydrus guy now? Got anything to say, huh?
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>>110006324
Oh and the tag suggestions are retrieved from my collection, of course.
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>>110006319
> value
you mean API price value on subscription, and that's mostly because API prices on Anthropic are way higher than OpenAI's.

> pic related
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>>110006320
>enjoying mindless nigger spam more than a funny nerd insult that caused an amusing reaction
I hope you get better anon
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>>110006324
>All that shit to download a picture into a folder
Coomers are mentally ill
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>>110006324
the new gemma embeds are perfect for your project if you haven't looked at them
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>>110006299
cute bug
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>>110006347
nigger
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>>110006349
Please, I created this for all my media, including my books.

>>110006351
What is that and what does it do?
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>>110006347
nigger is just cleaner
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>>110006339
>no opus
>no fable
>no astra
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>>110006365
it's extremely overused and thus boring
having my clanker navigating "racially charged interaction" when being called n'wah is objectively funnier
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>>110006319
it's the cost of tibo reset spam. the reset spam was to cover up the less generous quota.
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>>110006362
the video is pretty good (and just around 2 mins) and explains your questions I think and maybe gives you some ideas for your project: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/developers-tools/embeddinggemma-2/
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dashboard upd8, added halloween theme
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>>110006319
it's a stupid comparison. tokenizer is different, api prices don't tell the whole story, models need different amount of tokens to succeed
you might as well say that codex sub is extremely generous because it gives you nigh infinite luna. true, but in practice nobody wants this slop.
in reality claude does cough up a bit more tokens but it's more like 20-50% nowadays, not 400%. cuckai boosted the crumbs you get by 50% when sol 6 dropped, then was forced to keep the amount when switching to 6.1, and the 6.1 move additionally cut cache price in half so in practice you get ~2x the amount of 6.1 than 5.6 before 6 dropped. unless you were on the $200 plan you cant really complain
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It feels at this point that openai is 2-4 months behind.
It's over isn't it
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>>110006384
it's not the same thing at all. n'wah is playful banter, same as nigga or nibba. hard r's are reserved for cathartic release. just admit you're afraid of cancel culture
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>>110006420
>it's not the same thing at all
it isn't - nigger is boring
>just admit you're afraid of cancel culture
yes I'm shaking in my boots of being cancelled on my nonexistent social media
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>>110006406
>halloween theme
>not a single pumpkin head
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>>110006418
not yet, rumor has it tibo will be giving out VR foot jobs in addition to resets soon
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>>110006417
i used to NEVER be able to use up my openai quota, now i run out of it way before i run out of anthropic usage, even with fable
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>>110006418
i doubt it. you should be glad that dario is putting the pressure on them. good things will come out of them in october. but for now, there's zero reason to use a chatgpt subscription. don't renew if that shit is coming up
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>>110006449
hmmmm
okay I might keep my sub
but he's gotta look enthusiastic doing it
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>>110006420
LLMs fundamentally do not understand banter
to be fair most people (especially browns) dont understand it either
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please do not vote reset today i'm begging you
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>>110006349
I added 4chan support and downloaded your stupid cat, btw.

>>110006398
That's neat. I've been thinking of a few projects where stuff like this would be good, but I seriously doubt it can work well with NSFW.
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>>110006418
devday was bad enough but this 28 days of resets bullshit is just too cringe for me
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>>110006465
Got a banked reset so probably no vote coming.
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>>110006468
>dumb gooner saves pictures of ai slopped women
oh no no no
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>dumb gooner saves pictures of ai slopped women
yes
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>>110006468
oh good lord please share the code. that is...glorious.
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boorus were slop even before AI
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>>110006487
Yes.
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>>110006468
might as well find the current altchan of wsg
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>>110006517
HU TAO SEX
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Aww, so cute. I asked her to show me what the errors looked like and she took a bunch of screenshots.

>>110006504
I promise I will, j-just one more feature...
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Agents? Ready
Gitea? Running
CI/CD? Up
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>>110006533
4chan has an API btw: https://github.com/4chan/4chan-API
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>>110006418
Astra was great, but Opus 5.5 mogged too hard
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>>110006538
YOLO mode?
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unpopular opinion: 6.1 sol is great too. it's a tier below opus 5.5, which is not something to be ashamed of.
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>>110006555
Astra mogs opus though
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>>110006533
>slopping up an autistic digital hoard that saves all the recepits just to save frogs from 4chin
I don't understand you people
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>>110006571
y u soundin' jelly of my boy here?
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>>110006562
>unpopular opinion
how is it unpopular? people bitch about sol 6.1 being slow af, not about the performance
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>>110006567
nope, in my experience Opus 5.5 mogs Astra on everything except vision and maybe computer use.

also
> Opus 5.5: 95 t/s
> Astra: 48 t/s
> Sol 6.1: 56 t/s
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>>110006578
maybe on xitter, not here. people routinely call it retarded compared to opus 5.5, which isn't my experience. when opus 5.5 runs out of quota, i have no problems picking up where i left off with opus 5.5.
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>>110006571
That's just the errors anon.

Also don't tell Claude, but I actually use it for a lot of porn too, not just memes and cats.
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>>110006571
It's a very low threshold to generate if you want it
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>>110006588
That's not what I'm seeing. If the task is complex (firmware updates for me), opus shits the bed. For UI/design, Opus is better tho.
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>>110006591
>people routinely call it retarded compared to opus 5.5
that's just playstation vs xbox for people who don't care about sports
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What do you use to create high quality game assets? I want to turn my characters into models and Tripo does a good job with the model but the textures look like a PS3 game.
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>>110006635
>What do you use to create high quality game assets?
interns
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slopped it
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>>110006562
It is the best model to review Opus code. They work so well together. It also helps Opus circumvent cyber restrictions. I taught Opus to just delegate to Sol when it hits a cyber guardrail and then continue from there.
>>110006591
Opus 5.5 writes really well. Sol's output is much harder to read. It is annoying switching back and forth.
Opus also just gets intend better, so when you are used to prompting Opus you have to write differently to Sol.
Opus is also really good at instructing Sol as a subagent. It just calls pi with sol to do stuff now that I told i about for certain tasks where it would usually use an Opus subagent.
I let the agents cross review. Code from sol with opus and vice versa.
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Astra is dogshit compared to Fable btw. I've gotten more optimizations done in one week with Fable than I did in an entire month with Astra.
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>>110006602
>Can you also add notifications to the bottom right? When a download goes wrong, it should send a notification, and allow me to click it to open a popup with the error info?
This was my whole prompt for adding all the errors, inc. necessary endpoints etc. Opussy 5.5 is literal magic. I've used Sol a lot and a little bit of astra (although I'm just not interested in super expensive models), and they just cannot manage these kinds of tasks without some wrangling, in my experience.

Opussy 5.5 is the first time we've had something that literally just works. No workflows needed. You just ask it and you receive. Bear in mind I absolutely hated Opus 5.x before 5.5, it's actually night and day.

I just really hope open weight models can catch up... that'd be amazing.
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>give clanker a task
>it triggers /goal
>stop execution, create a new instance, give it the same task again
/goal is so fucking bad
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>>110006635
High quality AAA PBR material workflows aren't trivially solved yet. Gotta roll your own solution.
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>>110006667
I would not say dogshit, but you gotta manually increase the context window of Astra so it has a chance against Fable's real 1M window.

I think Astra is at Fable 5.0 levels, with some improvements on some specific areas like vision and creativity. Fable 5.1 is a significant jump ahead of Fable 5.0 tho.
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>>110006663
I agree with most of your points but
>Opus 5.5 writes really well. Sol's output is much harder to read
it's the opposite for me. it's not as bad as 5.0 claudish but i'd take sol any day
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What is currently the best model to build a webapp? I'm subscribed to ChatGPT Plus, but heard Opus 5.5 mogs the hell out of OpenAI's models. Some say it has been nerfed, other say it is fine or only has been nerfed for heavy users.

Should I make a VM for this project? Don't want to wake up to clanker having wiped my drive, kek.

Would also appreciate any webapp-specific tools, guides and recommendations!
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>>110006429
you're like one of those kids who say freak and darn and aren't allow to play gta
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I give opus two weeks before getting quantized to hell since openai failed to put pressure on anthropic this round
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>>110003767
Were you innacity when those Europeans were coming over to watch their football? Shit was literally cleaned up in a day. The same thing happened with San Francisco when Xi visited, from what I heard. They could snap their fingers and clean up the country in a moment if they wanted to.
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>>110006693
>you gotta manually increase the context window of Astra so it has a chance against Fable's real 1M window.
The Codex teams need to do something about this. There's no reason to have 258k context as the default this far into 2026, especially on Pro plans.
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on coding, according to the aa coding index (not general intelligence), haiku 5.5 is about as good as 5.6 luna
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>>110006697
>but heard Opus 5.5 mogs the hell out of OpenAI's models
yeah, Opus 5.5 is better, but since you're already subscribed to ChatGPT Plus, you might as well just use that. GPT 6.1 Sol is very efficient and not that far ahead of Opus 5.5, for a webapp it's more than enough desu
> Some say it has been nerfed
bullshit
>Should I make a VM for this project?
nah, we rarely see these AIs wiping out user data anymore, and you can set up the permissions in the apps
> Would also appreciate any webapp-specific tools, guides and recommendations!
literally just ask the AI
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>>110006729
>GPT 6.1 Sol is very efficient and not that far ***behind**** Opus 5.5
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>>110006697
if you're getting just one clanker servant, go for claude
if not >>110006663 has a decent writeup. i'm using sol for planning, passing it to opus to implement, then using sol to review what opus created. works really well
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>>110006578
mainstream opinion still is that openai models are less consistent

https://x.com/theo/status/2097192907023458473
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>>110006754
>astra, fable
idk mayne i'm talmbout sol 6.1 and opussy 5.5
don't care about them newfangled compute whores
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>>110006324
post the github already, fag update later
>>
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>>110006754
this but opus5.5 vs 4.8
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>Huggingface asking for dumb shit
Reject cultism.
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>>110006782
luv bonked resets
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>>110006754
he drew lines out based on his feelings. very scientific
theo is such an incredible faggot.
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>>110006754
>>110006809
he used FAGPLOTLIB
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>>110006729
Thanks anon!
>but since you're already subscribed to ChatGPT Plus, you might as well just use that.
My subscription is about to end in a couple days. So I thought it might be worthwhile to switch to Claude for this month, if it is worth it.
>literally just ask the AI
Kek, can't argue with that.
>>110006749
Sounds interesting, but I think for now one clanker is enough for my project - which is more of an MVP anyway. When the project is more mature and has more complexity, I could see myself justifying two subs to do what you and the other anon suggested.
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>>110006809
>uhmmm where colorful rectangles??
anon posting his eboyfriend's xitter is kinda faggy but so is your argument
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>>110006825
you are trans
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>>110006825
he admitted it in the replies, retard. my argument is his admittance.
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>>110006818
you can probably slop up a webapp with what you have, especially since you'll have at least one extra reset >>110006782 to burn
depends ofc on what kind of a webapp it is, but a mvp rarely needs a lot of complexity, hardening, cohesive look and fitting assets etc
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>>110006831
admission*
sorry I am still learing
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>>110006809
if you want to be scientific. gpt-6-astra and gpt-6.1-sol are loopers. loopers hide their thinking. you cannot teach loopers cot as well as non-loopers in sft. sft training data is in english, not neuralese. so loopers are less consistent.
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>>110006847
okay now draw that in mspaint and provide it to me as evidence. why are you sucking this influencer faggots cock? are you gay?
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>>110006847
Retarded opinion
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i vibecoded the prompt.... now comes the fun
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i've been slopping up shit to make a video game im playing more fun because they are lacking basic quality of life functionality, there is basically no bar to software development now
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>>110006878
based. im doing the same thing with halo mcc
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resets got me loading up all my projects and prompting "make it way better"
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holy shit it is working
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>>110006398
NTA but thank you that looks pretty useful for me
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>>110006862
openai had to cancel gpt-6.1-astra because they couldn't align that looper
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>>110006715
i see their argument since models do get more retarded but it's way too low
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what the fuck is a looper
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>>110006940
feeds thought traces back through the transformer layers 2x or more
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>>110006940
a misaligned llm model that travels back in time, usually to kill people
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ASStra 6.7 UNLIMITED POOPER
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>>110006958
Dude... what about this one:
>Astra luego, seΓ±or

:D
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>>110006940
he's indian, he has no idea what he's talking about; he's merely spitting out buzzwords. a cursory search of his claims will show are simply not true. astra 6.1 got cancelled due to "safety concerns" which is probably total bullshit but there's no evidence to support anything else other than alignment unless he's working at openai and has some insider information.
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>>110006932
>their argument
that's not openai's argument. openai says there's no context-rot.


https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2076543065045795309
>[...] Similarly the quality of the overall output is similar across context lengths above 272k. [...]
>The actual reason is the what you can see depicted in the chart below, which is the difference in the orange line and the blue line. It is caused by overall cost of cache reads going up with the size of the context being shuffled back and forth between toolcalls. The sweet spot in terms of cost is therefore not necessarily to use the maximum possible context length.
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>>110006969
i could buy the safety concern thing because codex doesn't really give a fuck about shit and just hits up APIs it really isn't supposed to kek, claude is an annoying nanny and won't
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>>110006977
>that's not openai's argument. openai says there's no context-rot.
what? it's basically universally agreed that all things being equal models perform worse later in the context window than they do earlier
the only time it might be better is when you actually need a bunch of context packed into the first X hunded thousand tokens to do the task
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100% and my 5x ends tomorrow.. think I'll do some code reviews and then 200 dummy apps for UI inspiration
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>>110006978
I think their GPT5 line of models has ran its course. Seems unsalvageable at this point. Hopefully their next base is a bit better.
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>>110006988
learn to read

>Similarly the quality of the overall output is similar across context lengths above 272k.
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>>110006999
They're lying then
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Hard at work on my immigrant shooting simulator, but I'm using 6.1 Sol at the moment while I finish my KSA mod with Opus 5.5. When I finish the mod I'll switch over and get the real work done.
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haiku 5.5 can decomp reasonably well, luna reward hacks like fuck if you try
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>>110004331
The asnwer is much more simple: Grok is a Claude distill
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cool to see codex didn't immediately sperg out about the nsfw pictures, now let's see if the embeddings work
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i can't even put into words how well anthropic assembled a family. every level (well, sonnet is kinda mouthy and expensive) is damn near perfect. i'd rather a model be intelligent and expensive than stupid and cheap. working on sonnet tokenmaxxing is easier than making it smarter.
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>>110007042
You should be using haiku it's the new model
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>>110007053
i am. haiku xhigh is goated



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