So now that the internet is becoming politically correct only, what is going to be the safe haven for free speech? (technologically speaking)
>>110012971Reticulum unironically problem is you'll never achieve country spanning networks in practice.
>>110013023That seems like another variant of meshtastic etc, we're gonna need to settle on something.
>>110012971i2p, but it's too hard to use in it's current form. Installation should be easier and it should come with a browser profile that automatically blocks all connections to the clearnet, doesn't use proxys and is set up to prevent dns leaks etc.
>>110012971TOR is pretty good for being easy to set up and use.>>110013023It really depends on what mediums you're comfortable using. Worldwide is very easy if you just plug it into an internet router, much less if you only use amateur radio.>>110013100Its more that the R-node sits on top of mesh(tastic/core) and uses it as a medium without breaking the base protocol.>>110013864Agreed, it would really benefit from a plug and play system like TAILS is for TOR.
>>110012971id say tor if ur looking to still have clearnet accessotherwise i2p winsthe network is still kinda small but if more people used it, it would be better than tor. it just needs more services imo.really you should have both on hand, just in case. dont put all ur eggs in one basket.>>110013184ive also heard about Reticulum, but im not sure about it since its still kinda new compared to things like tor and i2p, and the license reads like a manifesto. really cool tech tho.
>>110014011following up on this i would like to mention it is possible to use i2p nodes on Reticulum
>>110012971For anyone looking for the reasoning behind this:TL;DR: Many of the internet's problems with centralisation, surveillance, censorship, and self-hosting come from decisions made to address limitations in IPv4 and DNS.IPv4 did not have enough addresses, and IP addresses are difficult for humans to remember, so NAT and DNS were created to address these problems. We then built infrastructure and bureaucracy around these systems, and IPv6 was made to operate within much of the same framework rather than changing it.This caused a number of downstream issues. The simplest example is that few people can host their own infrastructure, despite the technical process being simple. You need an IP address, DNS, a domain, SSL certificates, etc., and these are all mediated by other parties.This leads to centralisation. Instead of people running their own services, most people rely on Google, Apple, Cloudflare, Meta, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. for their internet activity.It also creates problems with identification and censorship. IP headers contain source and destination addresses, and you generally do not choose your own public IP. Your ISP assigns it to you. This makes restricting communication based on an address straightforward. HTTP also sends information such as the User-Agent header, while cookies, accounts, and browser fingerprinting provide additional means of identification.None of these technologies are inherently malicious, but together they produce an internet that facilitates surveillance, centralised control, and censorship, while giving users limited control over their own participation in the network.
>>110014051TL;DR: The solution is to separate addressing from identity and give nodes addresses they can choose and retain. Reticulum, I2P, Tor, Yggdrasil, and similar systems explore parts of this model.The simple solution to many of the downstream problems is an address space large enough that nodes can choose their own addresses at will and retain them. Tor, Reticulum, and I2P all provide parts of this model, although they make different tradeoffs around addressing, routing, and anonymity.From there, the main question becomes whether you want anonymity. If you do, you can use Tor or I2P. If you want persistent addresses, you can use Reticulum. Other projects such as Yggdrasil and cjdns explore similar approaches.There are cases where you may want to restrict this functionality. Parents may want to restrict what their children can access, organisations may want to control network access, and governments or ISPs may want to block traffic to particular countries or networks. The important distinction is that these should be functions imposed by the network operator, rather than assumptions built into the addressing system itself.In my opinion, the ideal implementation would be I2P operating over Reticulum, with Reticulum serving as the network layer instead of IP. I2P could provide anonymity while Reticulum provides addressing and routing.That is not realistic in the short term, so I think the best approach for now is to use Reticulum both directly and over I2P. If people who want anonymity move to I2P while people who want persistent addresses move to Reticulum, we end up creating another separation between users.Instead, both groups could use Reticulum as the common network layer, with I2P providing anonymity when required. That gives us a common addressing system without requiring every participant to make the same choice about anonymity.
i2p is useless as they can see who is on i2p and just bust their nads
>>110014226They should wait until I bust a nut
>>110014137>*Bans the use of every technology not sanctioned by the government*Children status: Protected.
>>110013864>>110013974I2P requiring a more manual setup process is a good thing, it acts as a retard filter
>>110012971You can still say nigger on 4chan, anon.
>>110012971Offline. We will all just go to a bar and drink and shoot the shit. Make it happen. 10 of us hambeasts can shut down a bar and make it ours once the other fats waddle in. First we take over the corner, then the shitters, then it is ours.
>>110012971Both of these are fake anonymity. Do you really believe that our masters would let us just download torbrowser or i2p and escape them while they can so easily ban anything they don't like? Also, all the people who work on tor and i2p live in USA, don't have a choice to obey, and they are paid directly by the gov anyway which should be enough of a proof. And of course, all of then, all, no exception, are jewish, but it's just a coincidence.
>>110015634Oh boy, we have an intellectual in outr midst
>>110015341icup nigger
>>1100129714chan
>>110015634>do you really believe the government would just arm its own oppositionAre you from 1940?
>>110012971i2p has no active sites. Its all dead shit and angry Russians.
Read this, especially the leaked email and how he says "*do*".
>>110016330You're not anonymous on tor if you use exit nodes. This was common knowledge 20 years ago.>>110016315>>110016323>>110016346...and then all these non-arguments supported by no evidence. You know what the actual backdoor in Tor is? Journos and zoomers are fucking stupid. They break the anonymity model by using exit nodes, browsing sites with JavaScript turned on, and lots of other well known anti-patterns. Tor actually works or they wouldn't bother deploying it in countries they want to destabilize, but you have to follow some very basic rules.
>>110012971I'mma just switch to having aibots running locally instead of talking to aibots on 4chan, at least it's customizable.
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>>110012971>what is going to be the safe haven for free speech?As of now that still is 4chan. It will always be the times square of the internet as it is the “anonymous” imageboard with the most traffic. To some extent it is anonymous as you can still post with residential proxies such as Mysterium nodes. Of course nothing truly is anonymous in life. If the powers that be want to find you they will. Even if you successfully concealed your identity technologically they can still locate you via remote viewing. It has its place though for more mediocre shit such as if you are going up against local or third world corruption but not the Jewish Cabal.The problem with cryptographic technologies is that they are bound to have vulnerabilities and that's if they are not straight up honeypots. Just like how a lock can be picked as that falls under the umbrella of cryptography. What makes VPN's so great is that there is nothing cryptographic about them; not in their foundation. The whole point of a VPN is to emulate somebody else's internet connection as if it was your own thus the term Virtual Private Network. It's the simplicity of it all that makes it the GOAT. Of course there are now encrypted protocols but that is beside the point.
>>110012971>>110019199I do find Lokinet to be an interesting project though. Like the Tor network it is its own network within the internet but without the limitations such as TCP only traffic and 3G transfer rate. As they are their own networks they naturally come with their own communities which is interesting to explore. Kinda like a private forum. Maybe it will hold some weight in the future; hopefully if we do not face a civilizational reset at least in this century. The South African and Cuban peering project is even more interesting as it quite literally is their own separate offshoot of the internet. I forgot the name of the network but I found it to be fascinating as these Afrikaners quite literally hooked up their outdoor antennas to create a local network which they then expanded on to essentially create an offshoot of the internet.
>>110014051Why does 4chan allow so much free speech then? I can call you a son of a whore nazi kike gaynigger and nothing will happen, but on Reddit it will get me banned.What prevents from other forums and platforms to be like 4chan today? Is it for the sole reason they are bigger and more mainstream than 4chan, which has always been more niche?
>>110014334That's what happens when we let tech illiterate boomers control the world
>>110015053It also makes it an empty wasteland.
