its really not that bad if you zoom out a bit
>>110025232I unironically boughtered my ram there, I won at life
Now add another line where you multiply the price with how much RAM you need in total on all your devices. Lets say 64GB to be conservative?
>new fabs coming online>eventually the AI bubble will popA year or two from now we'll enter the age of abundant consumer compute.
>>110025317As in: 64GB now, but basically 0 in 1960.
>>110025322Unless orange retard manages to fuck up global supply lines like what he's doing in Iran
>Toggle nominal vs inflation-adjustedlel
>>110025232and where is software
>>110025232We were used to constant progress and now things are going backwards that's why it feels so wrong.
>>110025372nah your just poor
Moreover, prices from a few years ago were forced down by Apple pressuring manufacturers. We can't go back to that level.
>>110025478There was no reason to expect Apple to do that or have that impact until they did it. There's no reason now to expect anyone else to do that or have that impact. But this does not preclude the possibility, and in fact considering supply and demand combined with consumer public chatter about pricing, I'd wager it more likely that someone will upset the market. Whether that's a big player's demands or a newcomer (with a death wish) capitalizing on the demand by providing supply (and/or undercutting).
>>110025461nah you are greedy
>>110025232Price per gigabyte of ram isn't a great metric over time because software in the 90s didn't need gigabytes. Price of an average users needed ram would be better.If you do that it still shows that it's high now, but not such a massive spike. And adjusted for inflation it's probably normal.
>>110025232Soon it'll be back up to pre-1960 prices
>>110025232>log scalegtfo with that bullshit
I boughted a newegg deal of 128gb 6400hz ram and a 5070ti for $1700. so I'm coping to myself that I wonned (relatively speaking)
>>110025322>the ai bubble will pop because reddit told me it will
>>110025322basically this is the perfect time for china to enter the market and capture a huge fraction of it
>>110025774daily reminder that chinese open source models
>>110025232
>>110025322if it ever comes to that they are going to incinerate all GPUs and RAM sticks before letting prices go down
>>110025830Yeah, any day now, retard.
>>110025854Totally, dude. GPU and RAM prices have never gone up and then back down before ever in the history of computers. Dumb fuck. Just kill yourself.
>>110025232>its really not that bad if you zoom out a bitneither is global warming
>>110025840Not really. $0.005 represents a hard floor on the price of any memory chip since that's how much the physical materials it's made of cost.
>>110025232Luddites are too sensitive. They got too spoiled. The price of ram is just right if you think about how complex the technology is.
>>110026267>LudditeMods should filter this word, only retards use it.
>>110026304*indians
>>110025322They aren't making new fabs. Even if they do, it'll all be for AI infrastructure, not the consumer market. The only possible way I can think of the consumer coming out on top is if a sufficient number of flash chip manufacturers get the timing wrong on building new fabs to accommodate growing AI demands, build a fuckton all at once, and the bubble pops just shortly after they complete constructing them so they can't just cut their losses on the bare bones facilities just as it pops. They've probably already taken such a scenario into account, but I'm still holding out hope. They have to accommodate the AI market's demands eventually. A decade of humiliation to come for flash chip manufacturers as recompense for their treachery.
>>110025232>set back an entire DECADE>not badthat's like saying "Japan is doing alright" after their lost decade, and now they're going to be extinct due to the poojeet invasion
>>110025232I genuinely think the prices of computer parts are in the healing phase. Shit was too cheap and too accessible for way too long. Fuck it. It's time to separate the people who have it because it's easy from the people who actually need it or genuinely are enthusiasts willing to save up for it.
>>110026391>after their lost decadeIt's now referred to as the lost decades, because it didn't end.
>>110025232Where exactly can I find a 10tb hdd for $10?Or for that matters, 32GB for 320 and not 1000?Schizo chart, probably AI-generated.
>>110025322AI bubble wont pop but the massive demand will slow once the market matures and new fabs will start to meet demand better than at present. People saying that prices will stay high are comparing to the GPU market, which is a bad example because the mid and low end GPU segment has been completely wiped out by on board graphics and there's now super high end cards that simply didn't have any kind of equivalent 20 years ago
>>110025232today 1tb hdd costs like in 2008
>>110027293It will pop. They literally cannot stop producing these new chips in the factories. Eventually the compute capacity will overshoot and cause oversupply. Good luck trying to time this though.
>>110027293>completely wiped out by on board graphicsThis, its fucking crazy how powerful APUs and shit are now, integrated graphics used to not be enough but you've got ultrabooks that fuck up my i7 8700 on benchmarks and beat the 1050ti graphically, never could've dreamed that low end stuff would be strong enough to run my life on but now you can have an ultrabook or low power mini pc and live on it.Gpus used to be a must to even have an okay computer but you do not need it.
>>110025232> RAM usage keeps increase> RAM prices used to decreaseNow> RAM usage keeps increasing> RAM prices also keep increasing
>>110027480God i wish this would make the retards care about bloat, but they probably wont.
>>110027540Some things just take a lot of RAM.When dealing with large data amounts during development, RAM is definitely helpful.It is also much better not to cache on SSD, since the additional writes aren't good for it.
>>110025232Do it in real dollars and have the t axis start in 1984 when the Mac came out
>>110025322If any AI companies pop, they're going to just destroy any hardware in their possession to spite the competitionthere will be no firesales on datacenter cards or RAM. Every last one is getting sawn in half as their last breath
>>110027876That would be a severe breach of fiduciary duty and they'd go to jail for 5 lifetimes and stripped of anything they've ever owned.
>>110027881Not if they flee home to a country that ignores extradition demands :^)
>>110025232This is retarded
>>110027907it's a spambot thread, what did you expect
>>110027895And why would they do that? It won't help them personally, at these monetary amounts they'll almost certainly be assassinated within 24 hours of pulling shit like that, and the employees who dumped the hardware would either be interrupted long before lots of damage is done or would be jailed themselves.
>>110025854it literally wont matter to them. there are not enough consoomer demand in existence to fill up the required 98-99% fab uptime for ram makers to stay profitable.once it pops, all ram/nand companies are in deep shit
The thing that drives me nuts is how most of you people are middle class (Nutrition Facts)
>>110025232> doesn't see the shark tail coming
>>110027881funny orange man will absolve it like he does every other criminals and then claim it's to deny china tech :^)
>>110028241In this case I don't think so, because he staked a lot of shit on ai memes.
>>110027228i'm sorry you can't read charts, maybe get an ai to read it for you
>>110028644Congrats on your sub-65 IQ. You get a free special needs nurse to wipe the drool off your face now.
>>110025774>attaching the thing I don't like to reddit.Reddit is the most doomerpilled of them all, which are the real brainwashed mouthbreathers of them all. 90 % of all the sources they got is vid3ogam3r.net reporting on something from blackrock.>>110025854Some datacenters actually do this, but 1) it makes less sense of compute stagnates as decrepeciates also that does. 2) Politically it plays into the side of digital-freedom (IE our side). Probably why the second reason companies were desperately wants people to think that these GPUs last 4 years. It's a good case for any up and coming investigate journalist.
>>110025232>>110025317>>110025634You don't need more than 4GB.
>>110029320We don't want to need more than 4GB, but the professional world disagrees.
>>110029320I don't but the fags who want to run their analytics on my computer while I'm trying to check my bank statement do.
>bought 64gb ddr5 in Jan '24.I seriously bought at the right time, only 250 bucks back then.
>I bought ram when I was cheap I'm so lucky and smart lmaoWell some of us didn't, fuck you.
>>110025287fuck you elon
>>110025287same the ddr5 kit i bought for $275 is now $1400
>>110029474
>>110029474This.
>>110025322>AI bubble will popthe only thing that will pop are the frontier AI companies, after that happens on-prem AI will become a thing so hardware will always have significant demand from corps
>>110025232Because this is a logarithmic scale, it kinda hides just how steep the nose-dive was in the mid-to-late 90s.We went from scratching to get 8MB, to 64MB being standard, in 1/6th the time it took Linux to get from 1% to 2% of the desktop market.
>>110029552Nah, ML will correct itself to be R&D and niche only.
>>110029842ML has never stopped even through AI winters. It powers things you do every day from meme filters on instashit to reading the digits on your cheques when you (used to) cash them in. It's used everywhere, but you never hear about it.LLMs will be like that. The retarded q&a bots we have now will all become LLMs that nobody uses and the shitskins will be happy and not clog human support resources as much. Then, after the AI winter thaws, the next breakthrough will happen and we will actually finally have "automatic programming". I strongly doubt it will start from natural language, though.
>>110028682Does this include handjobs in exchange for acts of good behavior (as translated into Good Boy Points, or, GBP)?
>>110029887Not included, but the White Glove Society does operate, for a price.
>>110029867>/g/tard keeps slapping "AI" on ML to keep the hype alive like a cargo cultist sad
>>110029923>illiterate ahistorical inbred self-pwnsMany such cases
>>110029945>"AI"-chad getting this asspained that their cargo cult is being called out. The ML mania is just a repeat of crypto-mania expect that F1000-types are involved.
>>110029945So ahistorical, it's had a name for 40 years: "AI effect".
>>110029982Literally
>>110029975There is no ML mania, numbnuts.
>>110026332>They aren't making new fabsThey're building fabs like crazy. Wafer capacity will be more than doubled by 2030. 20 years of progress in around 5 years (they started last year).
>>110030509Disregard that, the data only went up to 2025
>>110030509>>110030563It's not a better metric at all. Indeed, that format is designed from the ground up to make slower falls than welfare NEETs want look like rises - and of course, makes actual rises stick out like a sore thumb.This is the kind of BS feminists use to justify their made-up rape numbers, and communists use to justify giving all your money to browns.
>>110025232kek, this is a great image i will now concern troll with
>>110030610Well its certainly more grounded in the real world than pure $/GB
>>110030610>Trumptard simping for corporations and ranting about MUH FEMINISTS out of nowhereYou people are a fucking parody of yourselves at this point.
>>110030610>that format is designed from the ground up to make slower falls than welfare NEETs want look like rises - and of course, makes actual rises stick out like a sore thumbFalse. Log scale stays the same for both rises and falls. Both rises and falls are reduced by the same scale.
>>110025287I lucked out to build a decent gaming rig before the world went insane.
Final submission
>>110030679>>110030689Your lying would have fit in one post, helicopter exiter.
>>110030720Retarded or pretending?
>>110025322most of the stuff being made now is not consumer tech, hence the problem. will that change as demand for AI hardware slows? only if there is demand for consumer hardware. right now there is. but if using frontier AI is better than doing anything locally, no one will buy their own machines. we will just sub to AI forever.
>>110030709i boughted a gaming rig 4 years ago; idk what i would do now if it bricked.
>>110030733I'm sorry you're generationally welfare-dependent, and almost certainly unWhite, but I'm under no requirement to pay for you, or even entertain your existence.You're going to be finding this out the hard way rather soon, so buckle up: no matter how much you scream "institutionalized buzzword!", you will stop being the White man's problem.
>>110030762Profoundly retarded huh. Sad for you.
>>110030735Same shit that happened in 60's with mainframes is happening now with AIs. It's all history repeating itself.
>>110030767>if i keep shouting my preprogrammed words youll keep paying for me to existSee anon, that's kinda what I was trying to explain to your empty brown head: this will be coming to an end shortly.You're free to try to come up with another strategy to trick us into keeping you alive, but since you can't figure out wheels or wiping your asses, I don't hold out much hope for you.
>>110030786Shh anon shh, you'll be ok, mommy will come calm your melty down!
>>110030800I know you're frightened poor brown subhuman. After all, this is almost certainly going to be a genocide of your kind.But we've given you basically a century to figure out how to feed yourselves, and you've failed.Be honest (I know, it's hard for your kind) and place the blame where it belongs (again, incredibly hard for your kind).
>>110030849I recommend Anusol. It is sure to soothe your massive butthurt.
>>110030874Can't hardly wait until Whites are >90% of the world's population again.
>>110025232A teenager used to be able to buy 64GB of ram with only a full day's wages.It's over.
>>110030874You seem to know a lot about the inventions of white men.Probably because you need them so you don't rope.
>>110030886I know you can't, but it's inevitable without rectification.
>>110027540>bloatbloat doesn't exist, you just don't understand how software works
