>character.ai filed for bankruptcythe dominoes are starting to fall...
>>110052466Anyone even use that shit anymore? All the waifu fags I know moved on to less censored sites.
>>110052466>Google to stop giving Gemini away for freeAND SO IT BEGINS. THE GREAT BUBBLEBURST OF OUR TIME
Huh people didn't want to use our AI gooning website after we disallowed AI gooning? What the flarp?!
>>110052471It was mainly used by femoids who were angry at men, 99% of them who didn't have jobs.
There's some talk that this ties to a future acquisition by Disney
>>110052474>why are they not giving away a service for free forever >this must be a bubbledo goyim really
>>110052481people (coonsomer waste of life pigs) should only buy and stop questioninghow else would i make money from slops then?
>>110052466Services like this only made sense when local models were shit. We've got 2.6B models that perform as well as GPT 4 now. Gooners can just goon locally pretty easily now
>>110052485they are selling their assets to disney in bankruptcy. no acquisition
>>110052494Its also the fact that gooning was literally against ToS. Imagine making an erotic RP site and then ban erotic RP in our site. What was even their business model.
>>110052466their customer base was mostly retarded teenagers larping as anime characters, and then they tried to ban them with id checks. adults arent using that shit, theyre using local llms. character ai doesnt do nsfw so why bother, and it sucks anyway. was only good when it was new and there werent much better bots at the time, now any model can do basic roleplay stuff better
>>110052506Oh, right. Got my terms mixed up.It's still them throwing in the towel while getting rich doing it
How? Weren't they acquired by Google?Deserved anyway, shit decisions over shit decisions
When they banned kids they should have allowed NSFW but didn't. And they jew'd it with user limits. If you use a script to add group chat it's semi-usable but still kind of lame. Local models have gotten better. If you're going to pay get NovelAI or Openrouter or something and set up Sillytavern, don't bother with these fags.
Are there any free chatbot services left or is the free ride over?
>>110052620Their talent was poached by Google, they weren't acquired.
>>110052466They are not profitable? HOW???
>>110053009turns out you need actual paying customers
>>110052474>>110052488I desperately want that to be the catalyst of the bubble popping. Can't make a good case for it though.Can anybody?
>>110052488It is. They are saying "we can't give this away for free, we need the money".
>>110052483speaking of thatyou know its quite interesting when the fearmongering was how all of the men will turn into incels with AI girlfriends and hollywood made several movies about that?now that we are here, the data shows that the VAST majority (like, 90%) of the AI companion(romantic/sexual) users are womenkinda odd huh?
>>110053975Really makes you think huh. I knew this would happen. Men will have a bad time if ai powered sex bots happen in our life time.
>>110053009Most of the users are likely teenagers who don't pay.
>>110053975>the data shows that the VAST majority (like, 90%)proof? there's no way. it should be around 50%
>>110053991majority of women nowadays are conditioned from childhood to hate boys/men, so that is the logical outcome
>>110054020Same for men who hate women. It is what it is.
>>110052481The original LaMDA model had zero censorship, alignment, or guardrails of it's own, and instead they had a post-gen censoring model to try to block its output. They deliberately left it loose to collect data on how people tried to circumvent it.
woke -> bankrupt
>>110052466didnt google buy them?
>>110052659Is the lack of (You)'s a sign that the free ride over?
for me, c.ai was the very beginning of the AI hype. i remember when their service first launched and all the generals dedicated to it, first on /v/, then they got moved here. and then we all witnessed in real time its extremely rapid enshittification, update after update. it was only a matter of time, rest in piss
>>110052466That was a business? What was the product?
it turns out telling teenagers to kill themselves and then getting sued is not a profitable business
>>110054555Google re-hired the founders and licensed some of the tech they didn't buy the company
>>110054020based, as god intended
>>110052466They will sell people's chat logs lol
>get popular>"have to" censor due to increased scrutiny>everyone moves to other siteserm
I miss being amused by that dumb bullshit.
>>110052494Which ones?
>>110052659There are some
One day there will be a frontier AI company brave enough to go all in on porn and they will make trillions
>>110054877And then the payment processors will instantly kneecap them
>>110054877how much more slop do you faggots need.
If you think the bubble is going to burst you're naive, the whole thing is a game of chicken to see who flinches first. Most will fail until there's a monopoly or a cartel of some kind, with such insurmountable barriers to entry (and probably regulation that makes it impossible, which they've lobbied for) that they will never have real competition ever again.
>>110053975we must be better men...
>>110053975It started with incels, but most models have limits and incels historically don't like being told 'no.' So, much like with irl women, they left for porn. Fujos' weird roleplay requirements don't necessarily include porn in the strictest definition so these services were perfect for them.
>>110054827Everytime I hear that, its so vague. Can you name some?
>>110054819If you can only run models in the 3B range then the Gemma3 model family is probably your best bet. It's pretty easy to both finetune and "jailbreak" into doing what you want provided you have a good enough system prompt with your specific use case. >>110052507Pure retardation. Moral fags contrary to what they would love you to think, do not operate on logic and rationality. They're a lot like Christ cucks in the sense that the really dumb ones value groupthink and authority more than anything else. They see tiktok and Twitter leftist normal niggers pretending to have any values and morality and think that's important so they let that dictate how they run their businesses. NO ONE fucking cares but they pretended people did and they killed their business.
>>110055171>we must be 7ft tall abusive vampire ceos...
>>110054981There are enough alternate payment processors now and there will be more in the future.
>>110052485Well Disney stopped their characters being allowed on there. I figured they might want to make their own.
>>110052494What local AI program can use speech to text and text to speech response? I use LMStudio but cant find one that replicates actually talking to your computer.
>>110053009>build service where you can interact with AI based characters>people obviously start developing romantic relationships and engaging in erp>freak the fuck out>lobotomize your service 6000000 times in a row because reasons>characters even in full SFW Disney approved chats develop actual fucking dementia because of it>alternative sites pop up>they don't censor>local LLMs far surpass what you had to offer>moneyplease.webm>surprised when people have already moved onI'd say I don't know what they were thinking but that's the exact problem, I don't think they were.
>>110055394Open webui can do it. You'll have to either use a cloud tts provider or set up your own. A slopbot can tell you how.
>>110055423It was a honeypot for collecting human-machine chat interactions and ways to stop safety circumvention and jailbreaks.
>>110055394openwebui or sillytavern support local and API based TTS out of the box>>110055455I certainly hope that's not true because that'd be an even more pathetic failure than fumbling a Steam tier money machine for no reason.
>>110055441Yeah I remember I tried something like that and it was slow and then grok was like oh I told you to use the cpu based model you need the gpu one.
>gooner LUhh why should I care about this goyim shit again?
HAHAHAHAHAI remember when I used to argue with retards who genuinely thought charaterai was gonna stick around for decades even when i told them they were bleeding millions of users due to thier current practices (insane fucking ads, the models went to dogshit, and other ways of rp surpassing them, the fucking censorship)
and with assets they mean all private chats and data they've collected over the years
>>110052466Well it went to shit years ago so
>>110053155"and nobody is willing to give it"
>>110053009they had a good start and then shit themselves because people were "tricking" AI chatbots with a profile picture of gawr gura into saying "i cum" and lobotomized the fuck out of their service over and over until it had no idea what you were saying anymorethey desperately tried to monetize it with $15/mo subscriptions which didn't actually improve the service at alleventually they gave up and abandoned their original model for some shitty qwen 7B model that allowed NSFWthen they gave up gave up and went broke
>>110052466All their talent got poached years ago, it's amazing they kept going for so long.>>110052474This one does feel like a tightening up. Sucks because they were insanely generous with their limits even on their best models. Their best models still kind of sucked but they were probably the best you could get for free.
>>110052466>make AI chatbot site>advertise it as uncensored and private>it gets popular>at the height of its popularity, start censoring everything and shilling out>everyone leaves>declare bankruptcyTale as old as time...
>>110052471I came buckets to those models in the very early days, before they amped the filters up to 11. They deserved bankruptcy for not giving their adult users a choice.
>>110055287They don't. They exist, but not in a way that fits your needs. The ones that are "free" are cucked into uselessness and apparently some even started doing stupid ID checks in an effort to get rid of younger users. The adults that would want that kind of "uncensored" ai for rp what are the throw their hands up and quit or not the fuck up and figure out how to use API providers that host models that are (as) safety cucked. I had to babysit my girlfriend into setting up her RP app to use better models and she's never going back to janitor ai. Different llm options are beyond plentiful. But it's up to you to figure out how to actually utilize it. People refuse to accept that no one is going to hold their hand. So either you can figure it the fuck out or just keep complaining about it.
>>110052466>Have a digital girlfriend!>BUT YOU CAN NOT EVER EVER EVER HAVE SEX WITH IT EVERY OR WE'LL BAN YOU!!!!!!!!!It's a miracle it didn't happen sooner. I hope AIdungeon is next. Fuck Mormons
>>110055287spicychat is probably closest to what CAI was at its peak, but there are a lot of retarded bots out there.
>>110052466Turns out coomers are cheap fucks. Surprising.
>>110052466Eventually, they'll come for NovelAI, too. Paypal already ditched them.
>>110057145your gf is cucking you with ai chads
>>110055171
What do people use nowadays for character roleplay chats?
>>110052466Good.
>>110052466>sells some assetsto disney. they're getting bought out you stupid nigger.
They were spending $14 million/month on compute alone their revenue was around $1 million/monthCurrently losing $9 million a month
I hope the model leaks at some point. Parts of it still seem more natural and in-character than the giant "SotA" models that are centered on benchmarks and programming.A model spending so much of its budget on roleplaying was really good, just like Dungeon AI.
>>110054819The model I was referring to was LFM 2.6B, but there may be better performers than that.https://llm-stats.com/models/compare/gpt-4.1-2025-04-14-vs-lfm-2.5-2.6b>>110055302No Gemma models are shit compared to LFMhttps://llm-stats.com/models/compare/gemma-4-e4b-it-vs-lfm-2.5-2.6b
>>110058704If you're referring to the front end, Sillytavern is the de facto gold standard for desktops. RikkaHub is basically the Android equivalent of silly tavern but just like silly tavern it requires you to know how to use API keys and API paths. https://github.com/rikkahub/rikkahubIf you're stuck on iOS then sucks to be you. >>110059180We don't give a shit about benchmark scores. This Thread and conversation is about roleplay. >Safety cucked trashHard pass. And yes I did use a system prompt:https://files.catbox.moe/8uotin.txtThis works flawlessly on Gemma3 even Gemma4 models
>>110059300>>110059180System prompt + Prefill doesn't work at all either.
>>110053975>now that we are here, the data shows that the VAST majority (like, 90%) of the AI companion(romantic/sexual) users are womenNo, because it's text based, while in movies and stuff the AI girlfriends are holograms or robots. men have always been more visual, while women have always been happy to goon away to erotica and text. Nothing has changed or is any different. I bet women arent the ones flooding exhentai with a billion gigs of ai art daily, for example.
>>110059333See, Vibecoding can't solve torrent problems.
>>110059300>>110059333KYS PedoAlso...>what is abliteration
>>110055354kek
>>110052466>censor yourself into oblivion>dumb the models to cleverbot levels>???
>>110052466Hope VeniceAI doesn't go down. It's the most promising project out there right now.
>>110053130You can open a YouTube channel catered towards junior swe and undergrads and preach how AI is bad. This will Unironically accelerate its downfall when new grads will not use it ruining AI projected growth.
