Do you grieve?
yeah>t. making less money now than i did as a junior
>>110081274Nah I've been a NEET my entire life. Once we're all living on the street it's gonna be kino. I'll be on the street before you guys though so I'll save a nice cardboard box for ya.
>>110081339how's that possible
>>110081274Get rekt codetransYou lost
>>110081274yeah, I guess I grieve the loss of my career prospects. Not fired yet but it feels inevitable. I am technically a multimillionaire at this point so I don't have any reason to panic, but it is for sure a little sad. I miss the way my company treated us like valued employees before 2022 and not liabilities to be cut ASAP.
>>110081274Hits close to home. The worst thing is I was forced into a management position just as agentic AI hit. So not only do I get to manage AI but also people using AI.
>>110081420God bless! Don't forget to ward off hobos on a meth high, they'll try and suck your dick.
>>110081902>making 100k 5 years ago>oops le covid layoffs>okay fine ill just look for a job again>new job, making 80k, at least im not unemployed>promoted to lead, making 85k >oops my whole team is made "redundant", i now only have 2 other developers, we're all told to "increase productivity by using ai">oops they fired me and the senior dev, junior dev stays and messages us later saying "fuck now i'm expected to do ALL of the work by myself">next job, i'm making 60k as a fucking architect>my coworkers from previous companies are saying that it's the same for them as senior developers/staff devs/etc>one of the principals i worked with in the past legitimately gave up when he realized he'd be making under 6figgies with almost 20y of experience and started, unironically, working with chickens for meat and eggs with all the money he had saved up>he is now by far the most successful of usthis intermediary period of the ai transition is going to be the worst because we dont know whats gonna happen. eventually we'll either find out this career is fully dead and ill do chickens or we'll figure out how we can actually be relevant again
>>110081918>bot can't even say trannysad
>>110082369I'm currently hanging on to the 100k job and I can see the writing on the wallI have good prospects for jobs outside tech, but the paycut is going to be insane. life altering. I'm talking 30k. I don't know, manthis is not going to be pretty
>>110081274i can imagine, the satisfaction of solving something is gone. this might be hard to understand for certain types of people, so to illustrate, it is similar to people choosing their career based on the money it makes, suddenly getting 10% of their usual income.
>>110081274nojust work for yourself, problem solved
Burnout isn't real. Work has always sucked and always will suck.
>>110082523anubis cutewould hug
>>110082651i didnt mind itim not sure how it became controversial in the culture war
>>110081274I consider myself lucky that I found a software job at all, but I had to fight for it and it only pays $500/month. Also the company pivoted to AI recently, which sucks because I prefer real programming.
Software devs were being massively overpaid during the 2010s. This is just a natural correction.
>>110082720these are all consequences of giving human rights to webshitterswe never should have stopped calling them webmasters, as a distinction from actual programmers
I make 77K in tax accounting. Fine for just me renting a $1200 two bedroom and paying $560 a month in student loans. But no way will it ever be enough for a family. So I just stay home and play video games. Saving for a car is hard, yet alone an impossible house.
>>110082523Contracting died in around 2016. You need a placement agency now, and they take a huge cut. Startups can be saas slop now, but it's very hard because of ai pressure (nobody has ever cared about quality). Other than that, the funding landscape is the worst it's ever been in the history of investing.
>>110081274Meanwhile sysadmins and SREs are swamped because of all the shitty code you guys keep pushing that breaks production
>>110082853im not talking about contract workim talking about developing solutions then selling them on using them yourself
>>110082912You are dumb and illiterate. You should follow your advice so you can go be homeless and away from my internet.
>>110082865yep. support is fucking furious. they refused to direct customers to our last patch because the one before that broke more things than it fixedI've already started seeing some discussions about shifting our focus to quality over quantity, about how the vibe coding experiment was very successful (lol) but we need to slow down and understand what works and what doesn't etc.3 months ago they were dumping vibecoded fever dreams prompted by QA for us to review, now they're cutting their tokens. my manager has been very quiet about my low token usage as welldon't buy the hype, anons
>>110081274>engineersWe're code monkeys
>>110082946>impotent rage at the mere idea of not following the corpocuck rat racelolle. you got literally mindraped by the system
>>110082985I accept your surrender.
>>110082999>t. "how dare you not give 99% of what you earn to your corporate overlords"projection.you surrendered your entire life (the majority of the wealth you generate)
I came to terms with the inevitable short-term death of all human knowledge work earlier this year. Now I’m looking for manual labor, like being a warehouse worker or construction assistant. Getting out of the house every day and hanging around live human beings might actually be an improvement in my life quality, even if the pay is lower. Math, coding and sysops are still fun to do on my own time.
>>110083012>webshittery of the lowest sort is human knowledge workdeep inside,you always were a warehouse worker
>>110083009You are proving my point because you haven't done it yourself. Had you done it, you would know the market does not let this happen today. What does it say about you when you don't follow your own claims? It says you surrender.
>>110083052>You are proving my point because you haven't done it yourselflol. whatever cope lets you sleep at night, loser
>>110083064Your surrender is once again accepted.
>>110081274not a problem for real engineerscodemonkeys should ropebest regardspower electronics
>>110083093>delusion, my only friendwell, since youre poor and retarded this is kinda your only solution>b-but i-its the market's fault!stay btfo, slave. its genetic with you, you never had a chance
>>110083139I understand that losing repeatedly like this and surrendering again and again could be stressful (couldn't be me, but hey, your behavior speaks volume). But cheer up, I'm sure one day you'll no longer be a temporarily embarrassed millionaire! Maybe in your 70's if you keep at it!
>>110081274no because I don't listen to psyops, swe and engineering in general are fine and well, nothing will happen to them so I have no reason to listen to these retards trying to make me sad.
>>110083152youre projecting because youre too impotent + retarded to start an smelet alone write vidyaslopor even create an actual product you'd be selling, or using yourselflike fintechand your cope is to convince others that its not even worth trying because youre a sad sack yourself.solutions do exitits just that youre a gay homo way past his expiration date but you dont have the courage to self terminate
"Impoverished" people who worked hand-in-hand with people of their own tribe, lived in meager dwellings with a family had more REAL wealth than people do today. You may have enough money to buy gizmos and gadgets and any kind of food you want, but you don't have a high-trust society of people who look like you and a country worth fighting for.
>>110083194Do you have any stats for that? Every non-jeet codemonkey I know of has gotten laid off, one high level guy is stuck at stocking at Costco now.
>>110083351(nta)the fuller picture is that entry level jobs are down to something like 30%but on the other hand googles and co hire like crazy in hindia.then fire like crazy bc it turns out 90% of people with an indian degree dont live up to western standardsalso notice the job krach hapenned in 2023 when llms were still entirely useless
>>110083351heres the jobs in india
>>110083198I don't have anywhere else to store all the salt you're giving me. Then again, I could open a salt mine, you even "mine yourself" for me after all.
>>110083351and heres "curry-gate" or whatever you wanna call itthe it job market lives in india now and its a huge shitshow
>>110083412its not salt, i read you like an open book.i read you out loud to make you understand the gradient between uspersonally, i wouldnt entrust you with a fucking mopyoure gonna foxconn on me because the water is wet
>>110082369It's even worse than you think. Inflation adjusted $100k is $130k now.So you make way less money, -50% at least. We're in a recession right now. It's really bad.
>>110083466>the fragility of debt based economiesyouve been told for decades by big names in finance and economy that this was gonna happennow it hapenned.
I've always felt great being a programmer who doesn't work in the tech industry.
>>110081274no. what do i have to lose? all these modern amenities that just seem to shuffle you into porn or some other degenerate bubble in life?i honestly think the new great depression that's coming on will save a lot of souls, maybe mine too, of my wicked, conniving nature fails to prevail.
>>110082369you're that shit can that got kicked down the road because you became the beggar instead of a go-getterin the same timeline you talked about I went from a simple mid level ETL backend data engineer position earning 40k a year to now an AI integration engineer/Senior Python Engineer that earns 100k a yearYou're supposed to look out forward to the future instead of compare and contrast to your past you fucking dweebYou got kicked down a negativity spiral where you got your ego hurt from first position canning you and you were complacent instead of going harder and strongerYou probably have a RFK style of cucked voice because of this whole shebang too
>>110083456I'm going to be so rich selling all this salt! Please keep at it!
>>110083497You earn pennies and your shit's all retarded
>>110083383>>110083395>>110083435I said not-jeet, Rajesh. I don't give a fuck about what's happening in your cowshitland. They only get hung onto in real countries because of ethnic-nepotistic infection and because they're disposable sycophants. I'm talking about jobs for actual humans.
>>110083599>pssthh im not salty niggerfaggot that got complacent and thought he could coast through life on his 100k jobcope and seethe you pathetic loser
>>110083590>im not seething, youre seethingyoure unreasonably mad since your first postand retarded as you are you think projecting is gonna workanonim fairly certain that a smart farm animal has more cognitive power than you
>>110083616holy seethe + hormone induced hysteriayour comfy job is dead, codemonkeyturns out jeets can also do fuck all of note, but they do it for 1/10 your rates
>>110083649>still can't readIf pretending that me making fun of you for being stupid = "I'm mad and lost my job" makes you feel better about being ESL, then you do you and write whatever fanfic you like best. Has nothing to do with me. Still waiting for something actually relevant from someone more literate and less brown/easily angered over online banter. Pretty funny, though.
>>110083635Your tears are my sustenance
>>110083711>t. seething, even calls you esland how many languages do you speak, loser?
>>110083466It's older than that anon. Shit has been steadily accelerating downhill since the 1970s, when we sold our productive bussy to the financier class. Stagnant wages are way worse than you think. Wealth inequality has been skyrocketing for the last 50+ years.If you want to get mad, you need to look at the massive economic changes put into place in the 1970s, and the economic events that proceeded to take place. Cyberpunk is centered around parodying the conglomerate, the megacorporation. The final evil of society. Ironically, contemporaneous to the peak of this genre, a new evil had emerged and was humiliating the conglomerate. Imagine a Weyland Yutani space station sends out a distress signal. Security forces are dispatched. By the time they arrive, the entire space station is stripped. Everything that wasn't secured was taken, everything that couldn't be taken was destroyed or ruined. The people are dead, lobotomized, or tortured into vegetative states. Turns out there was something nastier than the megacorps out there, lurking the dark. Repulsive and strange things that flit out of hyperspace, pick the bones of industry clean, and then leave as quickly as they came. Rumors of these mysterious pirates paint a terrifying picture. They have strange weapons and technologies that disrespect the laws of nature. They can turn a man inside out with a glance.The 70s and 80s were a bloodbath. Corporate raiders with junk bonds forcing LBOs. That was how they first showed up. These days, they have many names. Private equity. Venture capital. Investment banking. The megacorps, for all their might, were made to be impotent. Almost none of them are left. We live in a graveyard of their bones. We helped, because at the time we were fed up with conglomerates. Men making $800k/day telling us that executives making $200k/year were greedy. We really didn't know how good we had it until it was too late.
>>110083632I make 170k full remote. Haven't worked a day in 2 years.
>>110083721tears of laughter if anythingalthough your impotent rage is actually kinda sad
>>110083731Fired in a year top.
>>110083742Aww you're so cute anon~ :3Please keep crying for me
>>110081274well it's fucked...
>>110081274Do I waht?
>>110083761Cope and seethe, pajeet
>>110083769>t. delusion-based copestop the pretense, you dont even believe in what youre writing yourself
I grieve because at $21/hour I can barely have a car and a 1 bedroom flat in 2026..
>>110082379Obsessed, you lost TRANSWe don’t need your trans code anymore
>>110083802Delicious tears, don't stop now baby!
>>110083731didn't ask, don't careyour input was meaningless just like your life
>>110083823Cope and seethe, tranny
>>110083846your ego is frail and your dad never loved you
>>110083821>t. im not mad, ur madlol.are you crying? its the third time you mention tearsits not your fault youre a failureits only your genes
>>110083852I'm sorry that your ego is frail and your dad never loved you, but that doesn't mean the same applies to anyone else, thankfully.
>>110083862You're like the duracell bunny. You just keep going and going and going. Except instead of beating your drum, you just provide me with this endless salt supply.
>>110083874>no uliteral preschool level comebackhave you learned anything else since then?
>>110083728>more irrelevant shit from a shitbotMore than you. Look, if you or your handler don't have anything relevant to my post, just say so and carry on. I can see you're busy fucking up the thread, so I doubt I'll get a real reply from the guy anyway.>>110083883>>110083874Quit falling for bait, come on,
>>110081274
>>110083883>he said, replying compulsivelyat this point i can only think that whenever youre trying to insult someone else youre actually talking about yourselfyoure unironically mentally handicappedyoure also filled with impotent rage and venomprobably from all the losing at life
>>110083898I'll take fries with that.
>>110081274I do. The career path I chose got nuked just when it was about to really take off, and I don't know what to do now.Me and my wife were planning on having kids, but that's out the window now. I guess the elites will get the depopulation to wanted so much, after all.
>>110083953Deserved
>>110083938There ya go buddy, a little bit off-the-shelf template comeback but it is a zinger, good job
>>110083953What career path were you trying for?
>>110083953Adapt or die off
>>110082865100% you can't imagine how many "senior" engineers push ai slop to prod
>>110083997SWE.>>110084016Believe me, I am trying, which is why I still have a job, but not for long.
>>110083497what about the part where i went from senior, to lead, to architect?there's so many unemployed people that the salaries dropped. companies know they can pay less and people will still take it because they need to pay the bills
>>110081274What relevance does this have to the Truman Show?
>>110083922I could put a tiny amount of the salt in that post in my bath and it'd let me float like I'm in the dead sea
>>110084098You don't know how bad things truly are out there. BI is dead.
>>110084098Jeet jeetery always has been and always will be jeetmaxxed
>>110081274I have not grieve. I might when I am laid off. But for now, I remain optimistic there is something to do. Maybe if I can't find anyone willing to pay me, I'll go do something fun instead.
Market was already saturated I knew a bank-related company with FIVE HUNDRED employees, for a shitty banking app that DIDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING but call another company's API. 500 people basically didn't have anything to do but backstab each other. How was it possible? Manager would get more budget as his headcount was risingI worked in a company that had 50 web developers working on a simple Python webapp that wasn't even designed to run by more than one user. It now functions better with 5 and company isn't even all-in on AI, with CTO even being skeptical about it. Career isn't gone nature is just balancing too many useless eaters.We never needed this many software engineers, at least not this many to be employees
>>110084091Try harder, think in terms of longer scale and see moves others don’tTake a moment, stop numbing yourself with doomscrolling, dont go online at all and just for 30 minutes look outside the window and keep combining ideas in your mind like a monkey banging rocks until something sparks into fire of passion
>>110083194Have you actually used frontier models and coding agents in the last month? Are you actually retarded or is this just low quality bait?
>>110083351i live in the first world, they can't fire me and jeets are too retarded to take my job
>>110084451every single day at work, they're mid at best and hot garbage at unsupervised programming
>>110084489>they're mid at best and hot garbage at unsupervised programmingI'm calling bait
>>110084489Trans
>>110084480That's kind of the point. They're obedient dollar store filler that can be ejected whenever convenient. A company will try to load everything onto the 2 competent employees they have that actually require decent pay until someone convinces them they can finally be replaced by Claude for 5x the cost of just keeping the competent people in the first place. Bean counters can't tell the difference between them other than one costing more.
