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MOSS Edition

Discussion and Development of Local Image, Video, and Audio Models

Previous: >>110087555

https://rentry.org/ldg-lazy-getting-started-guide

>UI
ComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI
SwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUI
SDWebUI: https://rentry.org/ldg-lazy-getting-started-guide#the-stable-diffusion-web-ui-lineage
Wan2GP: https://github.com/deepbeepmeep/Wan2GP
Neural-Pixel (sd.cpp): https://github.com/Luiz-Alcantara/Neural-Pixel

>Checkpoints, LoRAs, & Upscalers
https://huggingface.co/models
https://huggingbay.xyz
https://civitai.com
https://civitaiarchive.com
https://openmodeldb.info

>Tuning
https://github.com/spacepxl/demystifying-sd-finetuning
https://github.com/ostris/ai-toolkit
https://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainer
https://github.com/tdrussell/diffusion-pipe
https://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scripts
https://github.com/kohya-ss/musubi-tuner

>MOSS Image
https://github.com/OpenMOSS/MOSS-Image

>Qwen Image 2.1
https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen-Image-2.1

>MiniMax H3
https://huggingface.co/Comfy-Org/MiniMax-H3
https://neta.art/use-cases/en/h3-1000-prompt-list

>Anima
https://huggingface.co/circlestone-labs/Anima
https://animastyles.thetacursed.com
https://tagexplorer.github.io/
https://animadex.net

>Krea 2
https://huggingface.co/krea/Krea-2-Raw
https://huggingface.co/krea/Krea-2-Turbo
https://lumenastrum.github.io/clio-style-preview/gallery/

>Misc
Share Metadata: https://catbox.moe | https://litterbox.catbox.moe/
Txt2Img Plugin: https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion
Archive: https://rentry.org/sdg-link
Collage: https://rentry.org/neo_collage

>Neighbors
>>>/aco/csdg
>>>/b/degen
>>>/gif/vdg
>>>/d/ddg
>>>/e/edg
>>>/h/hdg
>>>/trash/slop
>>>/vt/vtai
>>>/u/udg

>Local Text
>>>/g/lmg

>Maintain Thread Quality
https://rentry.org/debo
https://rentry.org/animanon
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Qwen 2.1 should not be the only edit model on the list, it's not that good
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>>110090311
Thanks for reverting the tampering, and adding a MOSS link.
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>>110090338
I was about to test out Qwen Image before Moss came out. Only got as far as comparing text-to-image results between bf16 and int8 convrot.
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>Collage: https://rentry.org/neo_collage
Updated to support collages up to 5000px
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>>110090370
lil bro think he debo with the news.
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is this the thread
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He's flooding with threads again. Why is he still doing this?
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Based janny
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>>110090464
nice
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>>110090464
thx 4 posting this, to me it looks like a work of art
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>>110090512
these models are great for scifi
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QRD on MOSS? Is it uncensored?
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>>110090610
It is the most uncensored if you can believe it.
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>>110090610
It is unbelievably censored, don't even bother
https://files.catbox.moe/l4anvv.png
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>>110090610
It can do most degenerate stuff straight out of the box
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Is MOSS's bbox prompting better than Qwen's?
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MOSS has too much body horror when you prompt multiple (2) characters
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>>110090627
nice feet
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>>110090627
why 16 steps?
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>>110090701
I haven't had any trouble with that actually, at least not after some prompt engineering
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Oh shit, this is perfect Japanese text from the prompt
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Where is the kinoplexatorium?
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do you think moss team will continue training their base model or will they just disappear like most groups?
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Peace
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>>110090939
They will make animetune next
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>>110090939
I see a chance of at least a few more iterations, similar to GLM etc (which started out as ChatGLM).. It's refreshing they're researchers and not some big corp like Alibaba or Tencent.
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bbox testing
there are a lot of params it semms
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1monolith
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>>110090985
>researchers are major coomers
who would have thunk it
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>>110090985
What a suprise the state has more freedom than the agorist market
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>>110090857
>>110090901
>>110090985
These are so good, bro. I can just imagine the researcher assistant(unpaid student) that had to scour the internet for torrents of japanese modeling mags to feed into the training.
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Rewrote an old prompt and it definitely works better than whatever else I tried previously
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How autistically do you have to prompt MOSS? Is it like H3 where there's a strict format?
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>>110091045
they provide a markdown skill for agents, so no need to worry about such trivialities.
>>110091050
badass gen
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>>110091045
They claim to have trained it on multiple prompt lengths if you read the technical report. As for how well it works, that's up to you to decide. More detail is generally better, it's trained to handle it, but not as strict a format as H3.
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>>110091055
>hello gpt 6 please write a detailed prompt about sex and all that thanks
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>>110091045
The TE is a bit on the smaller side, if youre used to a larger ones, so more detail is preferable, it wont just infer what you want.
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On flux3 klein, they uploaded new weights or maybe they just renamed the old ones. At least they uploaded a smaller prompt enhancer. Thing about this model, I don't think it likes typical prompts. You need to use the prompt enhancer.
I get slightly better results now.
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>>110091062
its more like i give it an image without any context and it uses the skill to return the prompt that i then edit or use as is desu
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>>110091065
the TE size is secondary to the how the model was trained to begin with
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>>110091070
They used Gemma 4 to caption their dataset so you may have more luck using an abliterated version
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>>110091055
>badass gen
ty it's awesome model
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>>110091086
holy GPTslop prompt
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>>110091066
>flux3 klein
Its never coming back after the wet fart release
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>>110091013
Chinese researchers in these fields are way more into anime and open about it than most western ones, no idea why.
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>>110091041
I don't think they verified by hand their 3B images, they just didn't bother to filter out everything spicy

>>110091045
you can do anything between booru tags, normal sentences, json, and bbox
json + bbox give the best results apparently, but everything works
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>>110091076
>Gemma 4
i hope they used a good version
>>
 I was sitting inside our old survey vehicle, surrounded by a crowded dashboard of analog dials, glowing amber meters, magnetic tape decks, and a bulky green CRT monitor flickering with static. Through the dirty windshield, I saw an enormous indigo crystal monolith rising out of the red fog. Its razor-sharp facets glowed with cold blue light, disappearing into the mist above. A lone explorer in a padded cobalt-blue suit stood at its base, looking impossibly small, holding a wired data recorder with a flashing orange indicator. Crimson haze drifted across the barren landscape, mixing with blue light refracted through the crystal. The green CRT reflected faintly in the windshield, displaying a distorted wireframe image of the monolith. I could hear the tape decks clicking and the instruments humming as I watched the tiny figure standing before that incomprehensible structure. A lonely, unsettling scene from a lost 1970s science-fiction film, photographed on grainy 35mm film, with deep red shadows, cold blue illumination, and warm amber instrument lights. 
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The more control I get with a model the harder it is to come up with ideas....
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>>110091066
Don't bother Mr. BlackForest employee, you've had your chance, you've ruined it
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i think there is a demon in my walls
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>>110091132
It's okay anon you can call them by their real name
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>>110091115
pretty good, only part of that i think it didn't follow as i'd have expected is that the way you describe the monolith and person made it sound to me like you wanted a man standing at the base of a skyscraper, while the one generated is more like a distant mountain
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>>110091160
giving me some Battlezone 1998 vibes, just a little bit
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>>110091037
Kino
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>>110091170
never played it, carmageddon was my ride
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>>110091170
Catbox?
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bbox prompting is fun
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>>110091192
needs a little motion blur
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this model is pretty good at replicating logos
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>>110091194
>>110091218
Carmageddon
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>>110091195
lol that's just a real game screenshot

>>110091194
it's a really cool game imo, first-person 3D RTS.
the game takes place in an alternate cold war, so that ticks the retro-futuristic theme, there's the green wireframe map, and the game involves mining minerals as well.
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MOSS training functions in ai-toolkit on a 3060, though some say it's difficult to train right it trains pretty damn fast compared to krea 2
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>>110091211
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>>110091224
good times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVsBct390Xc
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MOSS is incredibly smart for what it is.
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>>110091322
It's not the greatest at anything, but it can do most things well enough.
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>>110091141
>>110091327
ok like just what the fuck is this thing [Spoiler] It's pretty great [/Spoiler]
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https://files.catbox.moe/11t7z9.mp4

Today will be hot.
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>>110090754
The 8 step lora is very early in training so using 16 steps and still using CFG plus using it at a low strength still gives acceptable results.
The big brain idea I yoinked from another anon is using the base model for the first few steps then the SFT model for the remainder.
If you're running no lora then you do 10 steps base and 40 SFT.
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>25 steps gives extra fingers on both hands
>50 steps fixes that, but pitcher angle is fucked
11 minutes for 1024x1024 is pretty steep though, I could gen a tiny H3 video in that time.
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>>110091467
what card? using int8?
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dithering actually looks decent

A low-resolution 256-color GIF of a futuristic city, 1990s web design, dithered colors, pixelated edges.
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>>110091467
50 steps with euler/sgm_uniform produce more abominations in sample of 10 images than 25 steps er_sde/beta. Besides, 25 steps is faster.
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>>110091474
catbox?
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>>110091472
Yeah, int8. 890M iGPU.

>>110091492
I've been using er_sde/simple from the workflow in kijai's PR.
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>>110091532
best one.
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>>110091531
>890M iGPU.
im so sorry anon
how tiny a video did you mean?
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>>110091596
List this on ebay
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Did someone tried the the Intel B70 AI card yet?
It has 32gb and according to a few benchmarks, beats my 4090...
?
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>>110088361
try wiping your boyfriend's cum out of your eyes
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jazz album
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>>110091514
catbox is acting up. uploads are failing.
Here is the prompt: https://rentry.org/h8vpq34f
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>>110091607
No. But it's complicated, you can forget about base ComfyUI and better to have Claude subscription if you want speed.
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have we given up on moss yet because of how untrainable it is?
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>>110091650
it's dogshit. honeymoon is over
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>>110091650
>untrainable
proofs?
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>>110091658
>proofs?
yeah
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>>110091663
>yeah
ah gotcha thanks for your work anon
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>>110091531
>890M iGPU
no fucking way you can use H3 with this thing
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>>110091639
It's not about speed but ruining the biggest model I can locally.
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I am looking for a model/workflow that can fit on a 8G vram card for basic stuff in natural text
>change this shirt to blue
>add character behind person on the left
is it possible or do i have to resort to manual inpainting?
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>>110091650
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>>110091690
yeah you have to draw this by hand in photoshop on a pc like that. good luck
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>>110091692
now show her brain as it gets tormented attempting to fit to your fetishslop dataset
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>>110091677
> ruining
You don't have to have beefy gpu for that.
Inference only? There are some forks and projects on github here and there, but base ComfyUI should work fine, just as not as fast as it could be.
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>>110091698
lol she's already kinky as hell, nothing could surprise her
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>>110091690
klein 9b or 4b. Large might work with 8gb card
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>>110091718
make one of them pop like a balloon
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>>110091718
it's the face in the rearview that gets me
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>>110091698
>>110091706
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>>110091579
0.2 MP, 4 seconds, with turbo 8-step lora and Comfy Kitchen attention.
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>>110091639
Didn't ComfyUI add Intel portable builds a while back? No idea what the compatibility experience is like though.
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>>110091731
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>>110091808
perez u ok hun
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bboxes are great for setting scales: who is bigger/smaller.
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>>110091813
here for the job interview
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>>110091819
w-w-what is that between her legs?
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>>110091650
just finished training Naminé (kingdom hearts) lora for the moss image sft model at rank 64, 5000 steps, 1280 res. The model is trainable but it be doesn't learn as smartly as krea 2 does. The required 50 steps and speed of generation is a huge kill for my mood and patience to experiment with the model. The high seed diversity value is its only benefit it has over krea 2. I hope the moss devs give the model a second training run and train with 1024, 1280, 1536 and 2024 res images if they can afford to do so.
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>>110091830
no time to wash up. need to work
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>>110091825
I'd rather get gore than faggotry.
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>>110091819
What do you use for making bbox?
The built in create bbox doesn't output correct moss format
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MOSS did to bbox what H3 did to video
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>>110091672
Surprisingly, it works. I have 32GB RAM split 16/16 between CPU and GPU. I use int8, and --disable-smart-memory so that it doesn't try keeping more than one stage in memory at a time. (Enabling MIOpen/cudnn for AMD also reduces my VAE memory usage a lot, though it makes the first decode at a given resolution take a while.) I think the largest resolution I've tried is 864x480, and the longest length was 10s, but not at the same time.

ComfyUI also recently started disabling pinned memory for iGPUs by default, which stopped OOMs from freezing Windows, and made pushing the limits safer in general.
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>>110091876
Kjai posted a workflow with bboxes in the pull request that added moss support.
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>>110091895
poast link
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>>110091920
https://github.com/Comfy-Org/ComfyUI/pull/17095
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>>110091946
good boy
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>>110091834
Try again on the base model, you aren't supposed to train loras on the sft.
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>>110091791
I don't know. AI is Linux anyway, and Linux is git clone.
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>>110092004
the base model results for the young lunafreya were pretty bad and barely imitated her visual 3d cgi render looks despite being at rank 64 and 5000 steps. STF model performed far better for lora training than the base model. Namine was trained at 1280res instead 1024, its responsive but has some visual janky i didn't get with krea2. It's not terrible but looks more like 0.5 beta version of superior visual result i would easily get with krea2 with no problems. I hope some community merges and finetunes could help fix up the model's issues.
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>>110092068
How tf are you getting the base to look so nice, for me it looks way worse than the sft.
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loli
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>>110092104
one trillion steps
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>>110092152
Not enough, needs way more.
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high seed diversity value does have its consequences with high risk for deformities and odd errors. I would tolerate rolling the dice for multiple batches of images if the speed wasn't this painfully slow. The model is also far more prompt sensitive than krea 2 so i need to careful with how i word things. This model clearly has superior understanding for the difference between a child/teenager body anatomy/shape and scaled down petite slender adult body.
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so, flux 3 txt2img is sheit? what about editing?
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>>110092104
I was using sft, my vibecoded fucking thing didnt change the god damn filename
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>>110092152
6 million, tops
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>he needs rl to get a good gen
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>>110092192
From what I have read, editing can sometimes go full retard or do very well. It tends to be good at high resolution, but you have to judge it for yourself.
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>>110092208
lolz, ironically enough one of the devs prefers the base model
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>>110092226
300 thousand, and mostly from the turbo lora.
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Why can't I find any example moss workflows?
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>>110092190
> if the speed wasn't this painfully slow
buy a gpu?
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>>110092334
here xister
https://files.catbox.moe/6cdb75.png
someone posted earlier
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>>110092284
it could be better for sketch work, hard to say
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>>110092339
literally have a 5090 boi.
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>>110092412
>falling for le bait
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>>110092104
use >>110092341
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5070
1.3s/it
2MP
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bless the chinks
i will goon until i dehydrate
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>>110092443
Your mom, at 180 trust/s, $15 plan.
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winmax H3 can outputs 300+ visual styles. (Shot-on-video 1975 daytime soap opera/ Live-action, 1960s spy-caper style shot on saturated Eastmancolor 35mm film) etc...
Any visual aid somewhere?
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>>110092495
>>110090311
>>MiniMax H3
>https://neta.art/use-cases/en/h3-1000-prompt-list
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>>110091405
pov experimentation
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>>110092522
Yeah, I mean it's just great though, the style, the setting. What model is this? Its quite an interesting experiment
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krea2 has raised the bar so high its hard to tolerate the results with moss image i get with this abysmal slow speed. Lora training is just not stable at the moment and its hard to diagnose the issues with each image generation output with the seed diversity value being to high and random. Are the prompts too sensitive and not precise enough? Hard to tell.

here's the namine lora if any of you guys are interested.
https://gofile.io/d/iRGmQuMn
young lunafreya as well.
https://gofile.io/d/KbdGcTOz
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>>110092500
Thank you.
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>>110092549
Minimax H3
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>>110092622
Have you tried the POV LoRA for H3? Its got both male and female pov, it might help you
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we're eating good frens :D
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>>110092640
You will have to be more specific. There are all kinds of loras like that.
I dislike video loras in general because they are all trained on live action video and produce undesirable side effects.
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>>110092678
Don't post that, zoomies will get spookednand have panic attacks
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>>110092669
https://civitai.com/models/2966380/minimax-h3-male-pov

This one seems to work nicely.
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is krea2 really that much better than zit? i would have to delete a couple anime to download more models
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>>110092746
zit is deprecated
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>>110092746
i still think zit fp32 is fantastic
my gpu is too slow for it sadly
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>>110092746
zit's been popped a long time ago. Moss is the new retard in town.
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>>110092775
*z-image fp32
not turbo
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>>110092746
Krea can't do Zit faces if you want that. Or it's very inconsistent (one zit face per 20 mid faces). Also, Krea's nsfw loras are heavily skewed toward western faces.
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>>110092783
imagine the braps
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>>110092842
>when your robot ai gf's part are discontinued and you need to scrounge the black markets
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>>110092746
obviously krea2 is superior to zit, have you been in a coma or sleeping under a rock? krea2 is 4 months old at this point lol.
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>still using Moss Defaults
What happened to the explorers?
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>>110092939
they all graduated
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>>110092741
i was high asf last night thinking about 9/11 in intimate detail
that shit was carnal
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I coomed by brain out thanks to moss
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>>110090311
>>110090311
Is the anon/are the anons who gen music currently ITT? I wrote a vaguely /g/-related parody of this song's lyrics (syllable count is 1:1) and was wondering if someone could try genning the full song on the basis of those new lyrics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhMkYF7hvYY

Parody lyrics:
>https://pastes.io/aFPQVaAY

Trimmed FLAC audio:
>https://files.catbox.moe/719wrn.flac
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>>110092746
Krea 2's easy to de-safety with a small lora (e.g. TextFusion), which opens up your options a lot compared to ZIT and others. The hands tend to have a CG look though.
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right image is moss image SFT and left image is krea2 centersemiraw. i give moss image a good chance but its not a krea2 killer imo. The moss devs did a good work and i wish them the best in this tough fragmented competitive space. The real question is that will vramlets give this model a chance or still stick with inertia and large community support of sdlx/anima. Very curious to see how this moss model will mature in the incoming weeks. This open source space is very fragmented compared to the sd 1.5/sdxl days. Not sure if the average top 30 civitai lora bakers/commissioners will commit to supporting this model. Can they tolerate needing 10-14gb of vram to train this loras for moss at 768-1024 res? Not going to argue with the rush and undercook slop bakers but I'm curious what the quality of moss loras will look like in 2 weeks.
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>>110093056
It is still nowhere as flexible as Moss, I'm going to refine my LLM system prompt to be better with bbox
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>>110093030
I put it in the music machine and it didn't work. Two most likely problems are that the lyrics are not properly separated by line and the ad libs are too complex and most of the time should've been omitted instead.
I'd recommend just downloading the model and trying yourself, though there is one guy who said he'd work if given lyrics, maybe he will clean up those lyrics and try but I wouldn't hold your breath
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>>110093089
Have you tried changing your prompting style/sampler?
I get better backgrounds and prompt adherence with Moss after adjusting settings. Also you can prompt it like qwen 2.1 and get better results compared to prompting like krea2
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>>110092412
> 5090
that's not rtx 6000 pro
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>>110093095
Are you comparing with Krea nonturbo? I only played a little with nonturbo, but it had more variety than turbo, at the expense of looking even more CG, and with less-pretty people. Maybe I could've tried more with negative prompting.
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>>110093089
>Krea 2 killers
Moss is 5B and Krea 2 is 12B. It's two different cakes.
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>>110093089
on moss she looks younger flatter chest and the dress is light
like a screenshot from a game and krea is a render
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Even on RTX 6000 Pro Moss feels slow. It's its only flaw I'd say. Everything else is perfect
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should i try krea2 base first? or is there some porn mix the people tend to use? this is for futas and i plan to train a lora, i guess i would need base for lora training anyways right?
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>>110093265
you could try kroma 3.1. i imagine it can do futa but havent actually tried that concept
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>>110093150
>Moss is 5B and Krea 2 is 12B. It's two different cakes.
One of the devs said they're looking at making an XL version maybe 10B or 12B, if they do it would be a game changer given how such a small model is already good enough
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>>110093265
Krea 2 raw with the turbo lora can do that natively, dick girls I mean
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>>110093289
>>110093265
Nevermind what I said, just had two super lucky seeds it seems. You either need snofs or a penis lora as well for consistency
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is moss actually good or will it be forgotten like the other models that were hyped on here like ideogram?
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>>110093326
DOA
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>>110093326
Seems good enough to me and my quick Lora tests seem to work reliably especially against Anima and of course it work locally with minimal VRAM, can train it most consumer GPUs in less than a hour.
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>>110093326
Moss is ideogram but good.
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>>110093326
It's better than anima and it can do realism, plus it has a million times better dataset than qwen2.1 and it fits into low tier garbage gpu's.
99% moss is here to stay, but will probably only be used by shitters, like anima for example
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>>110093265
Try using the TextFusion lora with either turbo or nonturbo to disable their safeties. I think turbo looks nicer, but has less variety.
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I love LLMs so much.
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>>110093338
>can train it most consumer GPUs in less than a hour.
what does consumer mean? how low vram?
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>>110093272
kroma can't into horse penis tho, that's a deal breaker
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>>110093118
other people seem to getting particularly good results compared to what I'm getting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1x8apux/mossing_around_in_4k/

>>110093150
people were hyping the fact that flux 2 vae made moss an instant krea killer. I'm hope some community merges fix the imperfections of the standard SFT moss model. The model has some potential for it small size but the main underlying issue is its slow generation speed and the janky inconsistent results.
>>110093163
>>110093273
i really hope they really consider doing this. They really need to aim for training at 1024-2048 resolution with the authentic dataset, not gpt image 2 and nanobanana synthetic slop.
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>>110093360
Probably trains with 8 VRAM / 32 RAM comfortably but I'm using a 4090 so wasn't paying too close attention.
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>>110093368
ty
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>>110093344
most experiences I've had with vision models when attention to detail is required have been bad even with top cloud models, you sure you can trust its findings?
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>>110093367
People are quite good at speeding up models. And a bonus: 5B is attainable.
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>>110093363
really? thats a bit surprising since i thought the creator was a furry
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kekking at the UltraReal lora nigga
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>>110093386
yeah, it has weird knowledge gaps given the dataset it allegedly was trained with
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>>110093382
I can use my eyes, I check their work. But both Claude and ChatGPT aren't bad for vision, good enough to catch glaring problems.
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>>110093340
Its artist styles are totally off, making it kinda useless if you need those. Maybe the promised anime version will be more competitive there.
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Prompt executed in 497.75 seconds
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So moss is kinda like SD1.5 but if it wasn't retarded at following a prompt?
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>>110093421
It's really good at the candid style images, they must have trained on Flickr
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>>110093421
what was the prompt?
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>>110093367
>i really hope they really consider doing this. They really need to aim for training at 1024-2048 resolution with the authentic dataset, not gpt image 2 and nanobanana synthetic slop.
They did filter out slop, they said they had an in-house AI detector so as to specifically filter out slop. Of course no such scanner is 100% accurate and its a guarantee some got through, but most should still be legit
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>>110093451
based
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>>110093148
>Not using negatives
Pretty sure that's 90% of your problem, turbo even benefits from negative pip compared to not using it if you can properly dynamic threashold.
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How do I avoid losing video consistency when I increase the value in "Resolution-Selector?
I can't preserve the video composition (action) fully. Sometime it even "breaks" by changing huge details.
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>>110093421
You the 5090 guy?
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>>110093432
I like how clean z-image is,
a bit too clean, it is turbo though.
>>110093443
it's an old z-image prompt
a woman inside a large tuscan living room. tall ceilings. open hallways. mansion interior. she's sitting on a couch, she has dark red hair thats tied in a spiky knot bun that's being held together with a hair clip. she has bell bottom jeans, beside her is a dark large wrinkled leather purse, dark reddish brown lipstick. boho off-shoulder blouse. her sense of style is very reminicent of Charlotte Russe / Wet Seal era. everything about the woman's aesthetic and appeal is 2000s style. top she has sunglasses on. her nails and toenails are painted with a dark reddish-brown. the photo is reminiscent of a disposable 2000's camera. the living room is spacious. there's stain glass lamps, wooden furniture. ceiling lights. large L-shaped mahogany leather couch with many pillows. there are scented clandles, hair brushes, jewelry, perfume bottles, makeup littered about on the table tops. the living room is dimly lit with yellow lighting. belts and purses are hung on a wall. theres a cabinent with a stero system and cd cases about. strapped heels. film grain, 2000s digital camera, slight flash glare, soft image noise, low-resoulation look. slight overexposure from build-inflash. 2000s color tones. auto white balance tint yellowish). date stamp in lower corner. authentic 2000s snapshot aesthetic. slightly harsh flash lighting. mild chromatic abberation. no cinematic grading, no hdr, compressed look, slight jpeg artifacts.

>>110093553
3060 ;<
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1.5MP speed up tests.
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>>110093572
sol loses the windows reflection.
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>>110093570
grim I guess it won't be much better on 4070
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>>110093599
It'll need to be tested across seeds since there's drift in general, then the question of any speedup is if the 2x boost is worth the drift.
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bros if normies find out about this, birthrates will liberally drop to 0
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int4 gets obliterated for some reason.
>>110093601
if it were up to me i'd be genning on z-imagefp32 but have only genned 2 images on that model because it just takes too fucking long
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I can do 4mp in 70 steps in a little over a minute
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>>110093653
same. once you try out the comfy API nodes its hard to go back
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>>110093670
lol
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>>110093451
fucking based. its annoying how soo much normal fags tolerate the shitty noisy artifacts for gpt image 2 and sterile tasteless ultra safety look to nano banana gens and the human body shapes and anatomy. Grok imagine pro 1.0 was an absolute monster with its photorealistic details and editing but Xai become ultra safety faggots and killed the models with soo much safety guardrails to the point where it became utterly unusable. Really feel sorry for the grok bros. Really hoping local gets to performance that was the grok imagine pro model.

>>110093423
the high seed diversity value is too random at times between gens. Moss seems to be a lot more sensitive and responsive to the choice of words used in prompts unlike krea2 that forces me to use multiple other loras just to get exactly what i visually want.
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>>110093105
Thanks for giving it a try and providing me with some pointers, anon! Doing it myself is probably a no-go since I'm currently on a shitty laptop. What exactly do you mean by "not properly separated by line" though? And what "ad libs are too complex"? The stuff in parentheses? The spoken lines?

Also, regarding that other guy, is he an anon, a namefag? How would I recognize him?
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>>110093632
>he doesn't know yet
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>>110091606
kek
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>>110093632
I certainly find myself already semi-addicted to goon slop threads. Literal wireheading is probably not far off as this comes pretty close as-is. _9MOTHER9HORSE9EYES9 was prophetic, it seems.
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>Anons are no longer able to use do legacy prompting
Turbo models have damaged anons heavily
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>>110092740
kek
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>>110093721
I think the topic is too complex to teach over a single post, but what I mean is you wrote 4 separate bars for the word "no", and it simply doesn't work like that. And anything in parenthesis are considered ad-libs in text writing.
As for the guy, it's either the one who is making ace-step loras or the guy making japanese songs if these are not one and the same person, what you're asking for is a lot of work, so again, I wouldn't hold my breath
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>>110093746
i'm tired of it. only interested in generating cool stuff now
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>>110091096
Higher IQ, for the same reason that anime was invented in Japan and bob cuts are so popular among Japanese women. On average, their aesthetic taste and intellect are higher. Contrary to what many dumb fags want to believe, anime is currently the best and most beautiful form of mainstream art on the planet.
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>>110093786
very based anon, I tire of fags posting almost nude 1girls because the image that they're prompting has 0 appeal or any interesting features so they try to appeal to coomers
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>>110093786
>i'm tired of it.
Lucky you. I'm nowhere even close. These past few weeks there's been days where I've straight-up neglected sleep, food and drink to keep browsing these (also way too fast-moving) goon threads. The dumbest thing? I'm not even jerking off, dammit! Just sitting there slack-jawed, cock throbbing, precum drooling till I'm too tired to continue and just go to bed with a boner. How fucking dumb is that?
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>>110093793
rofl .. IQ .. jesus christ you moron
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>>110093421
love seeing the old camera flash redeye effect where appropriate after trying and failing to get it in krea2 while back. just more proof synthetic training data sucks ass
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>>110093761
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Once you get it out of your system you then can work on something more meaningful.
If AI was a means to only one end then I would be the proverbial animal the jews are speaking of.
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>>110093807
some anons are posting pretty cool images right now. wish they had the patience to make video kinos to post
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Are there any good models for making pixel art game assets in the current year? I want to be able to do inpainting/img2img like pic related or editing like "add a fence around the house" and have it actually maintain the perspective and style so I have a decent starting point I can edit into a usable asset. This is specifically for maps / static objects, not character sprites.
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>>110093829
I think he means originally on SD 1.5 you had to include a lot of fluff to make the image good, then turbo models remove that necessity and now people supposedly don't know how to add the fluff like they learned with 1.5
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>>110093833
79 seconds on 5090
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I'm downloading the model. It better not disappoint (it probably will)
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>>110093829
Anons listened to the retard tier propaganda that started from comfy about negatives not being needed when time and time again anons have proved otherwise. Even turbo models can use negs in some form and they completely improve the images. With these new natrual language prompts negs have never been easier than ever before
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>>110093839
GOATSE?
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>>110093839
fuck off cris.
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>>110093782
>but what I mean is you wrote 4 separate bars for the word "no", and it simply doesn't work like that
So how does it work? Is there documentation for how it should look like/be formatted? I mostly just worked with proprietary imgen models so far and there you have reverse prompt engineering where you put in a picture and a model tells you how you'd recreate it with AI. Is there something like that for analyzing audio, like taking the original song and getting what the model thinks the original lyrics/how it wants them formatted?

>what you're asking for is a lot of work
Well, I'd be more than willing to do whatever part of it could be offloaded to me.
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>>110093850
negatives were always a hack. neg pip is a hack.
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>>110093839
No idea but have a (You) for visibility.
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>>110093842
>>110093850
oh, if he's talking about the reddit thing for turbo i never enjoyed using that.
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>>110093873
Post your results then
You won't
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my thing for turbo was using several advanced ksamplers and dynamically adjusting the lora's strength. found a nice (near perfect) balance of character likeness and z-image fidelity
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>>110093860
The lyrics need to be formatted the same way real human lyrics are formatted. Bar for bar. Like I said I'm not going to give you a tutorial because I wouldn't know where to teach you. Just look how similar professional songs are formatted.
As for offloading work you already did mostly everything you could do, the rest would have to be painfully wrestled by the prompter line for line and compared to with the original song.
I did a parody song once and I'm going to be honest, you need to both know the original lyrics and beat by heart so what you're asking for, one last time, is a massive workload unless that person knows and likes the song and is willing to learn your lyrics as well
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>>110093945
oh fuck my nightmares are here unc
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>>110093945
guys i am a zoomer and i am starting to freak out when i look at this picture fr
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>>110093960
good to know.. i was trying to do a parody song last weekend and it was a fucking nightmare
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>>110093945
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>>110093961
>>110093962
>>110093978
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>YOOO IT'S THE BACKROOMS
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you finna make me crash out unc ion even playin dawg hell naw
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i hope the krea team did not slack off with krea 3 because this potential of an large XL variant of a moss model with editing and image references capabilities could really dethrone them. Its clear BLF doesn't give a shit enough to actually appease open source with an good model that's not ultra cucked with safe filters and synthetic data crap. As for Alibaba and their wan and qwen team, i have no hope from them. Wan 2.7 image generation had some shitty prompt rewriting safety filter and all the gens looks like heavy distills of nanobanana pro. The wan 2.7 video model was an absolute disaster so as well as the happyhorse v1.0 model. They're not willing to open source any of their models but gave us cursed synthetic garbage like qwen image 2.1 while keeping the original 2.0 model api.
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34sec 1MP on 3090. It's ok, same speed as krea2 basically.
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>>110094016
uen even worry twin. Them backshots aint real its just ayy aye
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>>110094016
myb neph here's some midwest tuscany deftones aesthetics for you to chill n reality shift to fr
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>>110094044
vibe
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>>110093960
>Just look how similar professional songs are formatted.
I thought that's what I was doing :/

Guess I'll have to give it a shot with said other anon. Thanks for the info tho'!
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next thread theme: The BLACKEDrooms
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I know on an intellectual level that it's been possible for a while now but I still haven't emotionally caught up to how well these things are at "groking" styles and imitating them, even with just a handful of references images. Sometimes even just a single one! Makes me really giddy still whenever I wanna gen something and it comes out like I wanted it to (or even better).
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>>110094094
>Beer_tits
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>>110094094
>I Have No Dick, and I Must Troon
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Imagine having a nice swimming pool to yourself.
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There is a new (15 hours new) lodestone speed lora
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>>110094118
I like swimming, a lot, but friends are better. With or without a pool.
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When ready
>>110094169
>>110094169
>>110094169
>>110094169
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>>110094118
I'd rather swim in it with some hotties but that's unrealistic.
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>>110094094
i have weird boner right now
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>>110093793
Based bobcutbro.
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So I'm just going to secretly use this thread while it's still alive for another 1-2h
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>>110094864
No blacks with boomboxes?

>>110094798
>secretly
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>>110094798
yeah...
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holy shit does it really nails this "high key" concept prompt hard in some seeds, all of them way better than krea 2 turbo did with the high key concept
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An airy, dreamlike boudoir portrait of a woman gently reclining on a bed layered entirely in pale blush pink and lavender chiffon. She is covered partially by a sheer tulle drape.

Lighting: Bright, continuous, diffused sunlight (like a perfect morning shoot).

Style: Ethereal, whimsical, soft pastel palette, high key.

Camera: Shot with extremely high exposure and very soft shadows, giving an almost 'dreamy' haze.
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>>110095042
I think in general moss is extremely good at doing camera effects like, grainy, blurry, bokeh or changing things like brightness/saturation or levels.
Krea2 really struggles with those so images with a lot of bloomy lighting I'd say are near impossible on krea2.
Here is my best attempt at the image using krea2, it lacks the clear sunshine and more even coloring that blends the entire image
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>>110095042
kinoooo
repost in new tho >>110094172
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>>110095200
why?
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>>110095180
that's much better than the sample i kept back when i had gemma come up with a bunch of prompts
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>>110095221
it still doesn't come close to moss in terms of image effect adherence, it's not even a competition, yet I wonder if a lora could fix that since they seem to fix a lot of shit



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