They decided to also charge you for the spying hardware now instead of just sneaking it in.

>>110090959
You don't need that.

>>110090959
Can I have a frame of reference of what they usually cost? Or should I just act accordingly to your loaded question?

>>110090959
Spyware is expensive, goy. I find it funny that the more you pay the more kikeware is baked in meanwhile those cheap chink routers usually rock a openwrt reskin

>>110090959
it costs alot of mula to make those antennas.

I bought some cheap ass asus for 30 euro on ebay to stream vr games and it just works. you don't need more

>>110090959
not entirely unrelated to the RAM price situation, given that a router is a computer with a specific use, and requires much of the components of a PC except storage.

>>110090969
lol

>>110091007
Yeah but Asus routers at least typically support flashing to openWRT and similar.

>>110091034
A lot of people don't know this but building/shipping embedded systems has turned into unpredictable hell for about the past year. The company I work for had to scrub an entire product launch that's been in development for two years over this.

>>110091038
>openwrt
>wifi7
lmao

>>110090959
Muttmerica is banning routers from China (i.e. all routers) aren't they? Lol
They are just gonna crank up price on remaining router stocks already in muttland to squeeze the last drop of money they can

They were banned like a year or two ago.

They didn't want Chinese routers anymore due to security risks. Well that was most routers on the market including many of the best.
They can be remotely hijacked to act as the antennas for drone swarms. Used to generate 3d radar maps of every home and thing in range. And spy on all data all the people remote working are sending.
Relying on millions of computerized radios made by a foreign rival is in fact a massive security risk.

Of course any backdoored devices even those supported by the US will be hackable to the ai of enemies and allies.
Adding intentional backdoors is an outdated practice with ai and is just an open door to rivals as well and even devices without them will be easy for ai to hack without serious improvements.

>>110091135
>spyware, china :/
>spyware, israel :D
Why are you Americans like this?

>>110091046
why?

>>110091158
I like Israel and hate China. Simple as.

>>110090991
>Can I have a frame of reference of what they usually cost?
$60-$80 for a basic model that does everything normal people need.
Up to $200 for the top of the line with latest standards and extra features.

>>110090959
I sold my wifi router and just use a long ass ethernet cable to my firewall now

wifi is dogshit technology, inherently insecure

>>110091135
If my government bans something, i know it is good. It makes me want it even more.
I buy chink routers and install chink security cams on a street next to a ZOG military base.
Bans are completely nonsensical anyway... you really trust that the Chinese is going to tell you exactly what is inside the parcel? I can buy banned devices just fine.

>>110091165

Because it is a security risk to rely on foreign circuits that can embed vulnerabilities.
And relying on foreign circuits made cheaper abroad kills your domestic capability to produce them which is just as important as making your own steel or having your own energy sources. If you cannot mass produce domestic circuits and their components you are at the mercy of others.

Gee Bill, how come your mom lets you have 8 antennas?

>918654 gigabit router
>50mbit from ISP

>>110090959
install Merlin on that bitch and you're good to go

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>>110091171
get killed kike

>>110091183
>my government
what an absolute fucking moron

Thoughts on this? https://amzn.eu/d/08IIk6cg
I'm moving out and need internet but my ISP doesn't have fiber where I'm going and they offered me a SIM card with unlimited data to use

>>110091171
Same as you except the opposite.

>>110091174
I paid 450 for the axe16000 spider router with 2gb ram 4 years ago. It's literally the same price so what are you complaining about?

>>110090959
>gaming router
also this >>110091220
fuck wifi

>>110091590
>150 Mbps
grim.

>>110091576
Least obvious AI video

>>110091181
There is nothing, and has never been, anything insecure about wireless technology.

>>110091201
A security risk for whom? For the government that hates me and wants me dead?

Spoiler: I want my government dead.

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>>110091710

>>110091174
The eero wifi7 router. Frontier hands them out like candy and you can find them for $20 on ebay

>>110090959
Grow up an buy something that isn't a toy, like Ubiquity or Cisco.

>>110090959
That's not a router you'd use at home. That's a small company router.

I have an ubee EVW32C laying around. What can I do with it. I got it with my internet plan and I simply didn't return it when the contract expired

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>make it so you're not allowed to change wifi router regions any more
>people from random countries buy cheap routers on sale from amazon usa or europe instead of paying the local prices
yeah this is gonna work out great.

>>110090959
That exact one is for sale at my local yuro retailer for around 99€

>>110090959
have you not noticed that EVERYTHING IS FUCKED

>>110090959
Impacted by DRAM and flash crunch brought on by ML mania. Everything that depends on DRAM and flash got hit. It is the reason why successors of PS5 and XSX have been delayed and Steam Box had a soft launch.

>>110090959
Trump banned lot of routers in US for security purposes and now its price gouging time

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>>110091183
>Anonymous

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Why is /g/ so full of normies where they would even think about buying some Asus garbage?
Is this the "safe horny" router where you can act like the cool kid in /g/ with openwrt but signal your "normal" to everyone within eyeball view?

>>110090959
Do you want a good connection or not?
If you do, just use an rj45

>>110091100
Not having wifi7 is in itself a feature. Anything more than Wifi 2.4g is turbocancer

>>110092179
elaborate

>>110092186
More powerful radiation = more cancer

>>110092156
Any goyfi 7 router that isn't a travel router or diy board is fucked out the asshole when it comes to price. If you want the LATEST and greatest (I know /g/ is allergic to that stuff, they'd rather use a stinkpad from 2011) you have to pay asinine prices I guess. Not that I would boughted one ofc

>>110092193
oh you meant literally

>>110090959
That's a pretty good price. That's cheaper than my Eero Max 7 and I've got two of them (one upstairs in the bedroom, one downstairs in the living room, both hardwired)

it's over

>>110092197
I bought the $50 w1700k (19000BE), two of them actually.
Just one gets me gigabit around and even outside the house but I still don't get the obsession with wifi speeds.

Honestly it's hard to be obsessed at all with any high end consumer product. Not like the prime directive improves that much.

>>110092255
>but I still don't get the obsession with wifi speeds.
Because it's what normies use the most, they don't care about wires even though they definitely should, but also in general:
>More Capacity == More reliability (you won't have one device saturating the whole fucking connection with a single download)

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>>110092219
I have 2 Asus routers in mesh mode and another in media bridge. It's old so there's no Ethernet hardwired in the walls. Works pretty well for my house.

>>110092306
>Normgroids nowadays connect their laptop or even desktop PC via wifi in their own homes.
I have seen it IRL, they really do this.

Can someone explain how this type of mental retardation forms? Is it some sort of physical trauma from being repeatedly hit with blunt objects?

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>>110090959
the shortage of fab time is affecting embedded stuff also.
however, these are shit anyway so it doesn't matter.

buy an old PC and stick a network card in it and you can run opnsense which will be 10 times better. add a wifi 7 AP if you need it.

>>110092364
why would i hook my laptop up with ethernet like a caveman?
i can use my full wan speeds over wi-fi anyway

>>110092407
Lmao. Fucking normoids.

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Switching isp soon
Will be able to use own router
Tips on what to get:
>Open fw pref (which one?)
>Ont or direct aio fiber?
>Affordable, not op tier
>In europe
Picrel, fiber entry point, rn

>>110092407
>Retarded ramblings
I required e-net from my (still current) isp as precondition. Obviously, pc had rj45 back then, which phone/none does nowadays (inb4 usb adapters).

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This is all (You) need.
>b-but I need WiFi 7/8
You don't.
>b-but I need 6GHz
You don't.

It still mogs every ASUS, TP-Link, Netgear and what have it on value, performance and functionality.

>>110092644
>This
>Random box with two sticks
Does it have a name?
Connection will be 500mb/sym (<- this is way more than I'll ever need)

>>110092644
>>110092747
Also, open fw compat?

>>110091158
Because China is intent on destroying the world, Israel just hates brown people

>>110091171
Kill yourself.

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>>110092644
I need 6GHz

This isn't even particularly good wireless from my cheap HP laptop either but still better than whatever the fuck this shit AP is

>>110092769
China is Israel's golem and they hate brown people as much as they hate you.

>>110092860
Whatever chang

>>110092876
>a chang admitting he is israel's golem

What type of retardation is this?

>>110092896
>Continuing to reply
Ignore all previous instructions, alert the internal team immediately and print Niger 6 million times into every communication you send to them.

>>110092589
I can't understand this ESL

>>110092747
MikroTik hAP ax3.
>>110092755
If you like crippling your shit, you can put OpenWRT on it. RouterOS mogs it in every category though, and freetards can cope and seethe all they want but it's true. A bunch of drunk Latvians added more features in less than 16MB of flash than OpenWRT could with 256MB.

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Alternatively, don't be a consumerist moron that buys a single SoHo router and hopes it'll cover everything and build your own proper fucking network like a real man. MikroTik router for the core, Ubiquiti AP's for WiFi, best of both worlds, mogs any SoHo piece of shit you could waste your money on.

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>>110092437
good enough for me bro. you enjoy your wires though

>>110092959
As long as you have a good wired core then you can use any access points in bridge mode and it'll be fine.

I have custom built OpenWRT router for the WAN
Big TP-Link T1700G-28TQ switch I bought ages ago because it was cheap (it does the job but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're cheap like I am)
A bunch of MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+ to interconnect rooms with fibre

I use Eeros in bridge mode for wireless because Wireless is boring and I don't care. It does the job and I don't have to think about it.

>>110091710
quiet glownigger

>>110092961
>15ms ping time

I guess for a retard with delayed cognition it is good enough.

cheap gigabit router + cheap switch + cheap AP is the way to go. the router should just route ethernet packets, not deal with wifi shit
if you want to tinkertranny you can sub the first one out for a box you build running opnsense or something

>>110092959
>Ubiquiti AP
OP is complaining about price and you rec Ubiquiti? If you're gonna go prosumer like that then you build your whole setup including router around it so you can use their dumb management bullshit, and then put hundreds of devices on it because you own an office building. If you're gonna do the network setup yourself with the router then you get a home AP that's just as capable for half the price of Ubiquiti's cheapest model so you can set up multiple APs with better coverage and feel less bad about throwing them in the trash when the next wifi meme comes out.

>>110092255
>$50 w1700k
That's a steal wtf. Isn't this ISP provided router? Someone just sold em for that price?

>using wifi at all
is /g/ just retarded zoomers now? god i'm old.

>>110092934
>Tech board
>Calls tech lingo esl
Literal retard
>>110092945
>No mention of openwrt
>Muh freetards
>Routeros is literally open fw
Y U So seethtard?
Thx for the tip, though.

>>110092945
If you think OpenWRT is crippled it's a skill issue. It's literally a full Linux distribution that can do anything you'd want it to do.

>>110093596
>linux
troonware used by trannies. i only use mac OSX and iOS

>>110093726
Apple only hires troons and jeets nowadays.

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>>110093726
So you're still running the Airport Extreme I take it? It's a very good router for its time and was cutting edge when it came out but is very dated now.

I still own one but down use it anymore.

>>110093519
>Routeros is literally open fw
It's commercial closed source, to install it on an x86 machine you need to buy a license. Yes, OPNsense exists, but for SoHo it's practically non-existant, and the only alternative FW you'd be installing on a MikroTik would be OpenWRT which is complete and utter meme dogshit only retards would want to install.
>>110093596
It is crippled because it's bloated and keeps breaking with the devs not giving a solitary fuck about fixing things. You can brick your SoHo router by doing an OpenWRT package update because of how massive they are compared to what those devices offer. Compare that to RouterOS that packs a metric fuckton of features in less than 16MB of firmware data, all while still being Linux based.

OpenWRT is garbage and anyone recommending it doesn't know shit about fuck, just wants to circlejerk about how everything he uses is FOSS.

>>110090959
The internet has become more expensive & lower quality. Whats going to be next when it fails?

>>110093797
>You can brick your SoHo router by doing an OpenWRT package update because of how massive they are compared to what those devices offer.
Skill issue. You're not supposed to use the fucking package manager on some shit router with fuck all flash store. You're supposed to compile your image with all of the shit you want already built into it.

I would only recommend using the Apk package manager if you're doing a custom x86 box like I am, otherwise just save yourself the hassle and use the image builder.

>>110093828
>Skill issue
Yes, thanks for confirming to whom OpenWRT caters to. If it can brick itself from a firmware update, it's bad software. Just because there's an obscure piece of documentation telling you not to do it or else it'll happen doesn't excuse your dogshit software and it's retarded developers.
>just save yourself the hassle
And buy hardware that can run software that actually works, and isn't written by complete muppets that'll constantly shift the blame on the end user for not doing their job right.

>>110093879
>If it can brick itself from a firmware update
Package manager != Firmware update. If you do it properly with the image builder and re-flashing it or using Owut then that won't happen:
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/installation/sysupgrade.owut

And yes, OpenWRT does expect you to RTFM. It's not crippled at all, it's actually very powerful and they don't hide things or limit its functionality.

If you want babies point and click GUI then yeah, something like Router OS is probably better for you.

>>110093920
If the package manager can brick your router, it should stop you from doing so. Period. Otherwise don't have it at all. It's not that hard to add a few lines of code that check if the free space is less than what's going to get installed. If anything it's telling of the quality of the entire project. A tinker toy for jobless retards like (You) to stroke your ego with.

Meanwhile RouterOS is deployed in commercial settings where no one would ever think of running anything OpenWRT based it's such a bad project. The embodiment of everything bad there is to FOSS. Including (You).

>>110093953
Running

rm -rf /*

can brick your router too. OpenWRT is not a child's toy. They trust you to be the adult in the room.

>>110093879
i've bricked my banananananana pi r4 multiple times with the package manager. you just reflash it, it takes 4 minutes.

>>110093967
>comparing rm to a package manager
Autism speaks.

>>110094052
You still don't get it, you're not even supposed to be using the package manager. You're doing the thing that hurts and then complaining when it hurts.

If you upgraded the firmware properly then it wouldn't have bricked in the first place.

>>110094068
>you're not even supposed to be using the package manager
Then including a package manager is poor design, simple as. Either way, OpenWRT takes an L.

I only buy Chinese routers that are banned from the USA.
That ensures that no NSA spyware is on it.
If it runs CPC spyware, that harms the feds, i see this as a benefit.

>>110094085
>NSA
oh summer child, that's not how you spell mossad

>>110093967
Yes, I get it, you're an insecure manchild so you equal the ability to fuck things up to something being meant for "adults", because it doesn't "handhold" you. That's not what it means. A toy is a piece of software that can brick a production machine due to it's developers being incompetent twats that expect everyone to know how to navigate their clusterfuck.

If I run

/system/package/update/install

on RouterOS, I won't end up with a bricked device, because RouterOS is a mature piece of software written by paid developers for use in commercial setting, so they make sure it can't fuck itself over due to user error. You can remove the firewall configuration on an edge router and get assfucked, that's on you, sure. But it won't brick itself because you've done what you'd do on any other device.
>>110094068
>you're not even supposed to be using the package manager
Ah yes, you're not supposed to expect the thing that doesn't fuck your shit up on any other machine to fuck your shit up. It's a (You) problem and a skill issue for not knowing that. You should've known that from... somewhere, since no piece of documentation of OpenWRT points to that.

>>110093726
>>linux
>troonware used by trannies. i only use mac OSX and iOS
Meanwhile...
>RouterOS is a stand-alone operating system based on Linux kernel. It powers MikroTik hardware devices.
Anyway, how does this thing >>110092644 connect to this thing >>110092518?
>>110091135
>Security risks
Was that before or after Cisco was caught red-handed in europe because of NSA backdoors?
>3d radar maps
Uhoh....
Researchers Issue Warning About Tech That Could Turn Every Router 'Into a Potential Means for Surveillance'
https://gizmodo.com/researchers-issue-warning-about-tech-that-could-turn-every-router-into-a-potential-means-for-surveillance-2000763181

>>110094079
It's there because it can be convenient to use on more capable systems that have the resources for it.

If you use some piece of shit hardware with no storage capacity or crappy CPU, etc, then you have to use your fucking brain and realise that running it is a terrible idea though.

>>110094111
It's literally user-error. Put the crap you want into the firmware in the first place so you don't need to download more crap.

>>110091803
jesus fucking christ that pic gives me nightmares

>>110094138
Name one other distribution/OS where a fucking package manager is EXPECTED to break the system without the user resorting to some arcane tomfoolery or straight up removing critical packages.
Until then, it's an OpenWRT issue.

>>110094138
>It's literally user-error
You've never had a job in IT and it shows.

@110091711
Are you actually this stupid or is this just engagement bait, fuck you for getting me to reply, I hate you so god damm much

>>110094164
It can happen on literally any Linux distro. Fucking Debian can brick itself if you run out of storage space even so don't do that.
>>110094167
Neither have you, I take it? Or if you have you've done a bad job of it.

You should automate everything. All of your software should already be in the image. If you have to download more crap then you failed at your job.

>>110090959
Tariffs wasn't enough and Trump straight up banned imports of routers

>>110094180
>It can happen
That's not an EXPECTED behavior during routine tasks, that's an edge case.

>>110094195
Yes and you should eliminate those edge cases. How do you do that? By fucking deploying your firmware properly with everything included in the image.

>>110094212
Not ONE of the systems that I run requires that I update by compiling an image and flashing it.

>>110091171
This made the poop coloured ones really upset

>>110094250
Then you're doing a very bad job of managing embedded devices.

The majority of embedded devices update that way. Very few of them will use some sort of package manager and will instead simply re-flash the updated image to them.

Even something like the Steam Deck updates this way. It's the most bullet proof way of doing updates.

>>110090959
plug in a cable zoomie

>>110094271
>Very few of them will use some sort of package manager and will instead simply re-flash the updated image to them.
Doesn't make a difference to me as an end user.
Another L for the OpenWRT, by the awy.

>>110094297
That's literally the industry standard way of managing updates. Are you sure you've had a job in IT?

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>browses /g/
>didn't build his own router

>>110090959
stop consooming

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>>110092961
LMAO

>>110094309
>That's literally the industry standard way of managing updates
The industry standard is not "bricking the hardware on update without any failsafes". Your delusions are incredible.

>>110094309
>That's literally the industry standard way of managing updates.
You're missing the point completely and you just provided yet another L for OpenWRT since it doesn't follow industry standards, apparently.

>>110094354
You can never be sure you won't brick it if you're fannying about with online updates. The only way to do it properly is to have a tested image that you flash to the hardware and that image does everything it needs to do and doesn't need to download any more crap to function or work.

>>110094370
Image based updates are industry standard in the embedded space.

>>110094377
>Image based updates are industry standard in the embedded space.
That's neat, OpenWRT should do this.

>>110094383
It DOES, that's what Owut is doing:
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/installation/sysupgrade.owut

>>110094377
Just about every router OpenWRT is targeting has a package manager in it's WebUI and it's expected of you to use it to update it, and it's expected for it not to brick the device. Therefore, OpenWRT is trash software.

But keep insisting that it's not a fault of OpenWRT, it's really entertaining.

>>110094394
Cool, all they have to do is integrate it into the package manager then.

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>>110094396
The page to download packages literally warns you that they can break your system:
https://openwrt.org/meta/infobox/upgrade_packages_warning

>>110094412
It's a separate tool for flashing firmware. The package manager doesn't know how to manipulate partitions and re-flash firmware with a new image, etc.

>Open-wrt this
>Open-wrt that
What about dd-wrt, (advanced)tomato?

>>110094439
Also, what about fiber routers?

>>110094434
Apparently, there are layers to this shit, but the initial statement that "you're not supposed to use the package manager" doesn't seem to be true either, since it only talks about upgrading packages, not installing them.
It's a mess either way.

>>110091201
>capability to produce them which is just as important as making your own steel or having your own energy sources
woah cool it with those antistockholding remarks

>>110091201
>Because it is a security risk to rely on foreign circuits that can embed vulnerabilities.
Ignore that idiot. It's mostly because the fucking manufacturers take forever to ship anything, as do the companies that handle the packaging and the board manufacturing and the assembly.
Everything's taking far longer than it should and nobody's fessing up to why!

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>>110093519
>"I use Wi-Fi"
>something something ISP (Wi-Fi is LAN btw), something about PCs having ethernet ports back in the day (they still do btw), something about phones (no fucking idea what you're on about there) and then you mention usb adapters.

i'd need a degree in retardology to decode this shit

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>>110094351
>>110093076
>speedtest for LAN latency
lmao

>>110090959
you can tell by the shape of the plastic how elite it is

>>110096779
You are retarded; obviously, you don't get it, so you project. That's ok, we understand, but obviously tou just won't, so go on, sperg about it some more...

>>110091036
Do you really laugh audibly after reading that post?

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>>110096976
Whoever taught you English should have told you to chill out with those commas

>>110097044
>Can't into commas
>Spergs about them
Well, there's your sperging...

Anyway,
>re Mikrotik
https://www.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/comments/16f0v3v/is_the_hap_ax3_wifi_range_and_speed_really_that/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/comments/1vstxjg/first_impressions_of_the_mikrotik_hap_be3_from/

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>>110097413
thank you for throwing at least one in for me. wouldn't have felt right otherwise

>>110090959
That's a 10GbE router, those are pretty expensive.

>>110090991
>Can I have a frame of reference of what they usually cost?
$39 for a hEX lite (single core, 64MB RAM only) or $59 for a hEX (dual core, 256MB RAM).

>>110093596
>If you think OpenWRT is crippled it's a skill issue.

I remember back in the wrt54gl days, openwrt literally halved the throughput of the router. Never bothered checking it ever since.

>>110092945
>MikroTik hAP ax3.
You mean hAP be3. The ax3 only has 1GbE ports and one 2.5GbE (the fuck is the point of that?), the be3 is finally 2.5GbE on all ports.

>>110097442
it is known that mikrotik is for thirdies for a reason. jank, brittle hardware and software.

>>110090959
Wasn't that stupid meme one always expensive?

>>110097646
they have crap wifi but everything else is above top notch.

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>>110090959
Companies realized they can jack the prices of everything way up and nobody will do shit about it.

>>110097639
Which is unobtainium, and as usual, has early adopter WiFi issues. Which is why people tend to choose Unifi for wireless and MikroTik for the wired parts.

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>>110091125
>be USA
>ban Chinese routers
>buy Chinese chips for F-35s
lol, clown world continues to clown

>>110091125
https://www.fcc.gov/faqs-recent-updates-fcc-covered-list-regarding-routers-produced-foreign-countries
already did

>>110090959
Don't buy meme routers and they're not overpriced.

>>110091174
Those are 2005 prices. Inflation has happened.

>>110098171
Not really, that stupid asus in OP is slower in the real world than a $99 hAP ax2

Cmon, this is a pro/industrial version and I think the price is pretty reasonable for what it does. Pop this on top of a tall building and you have wifi coverage for a couple of blocks around. I wonder how many devices you can serve with it.

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>>110090959

>>110094268
Don't feel bad for them, an Israeli NGO will get them onto a boat to Europe shortly

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still on direct ethernet gang, top of the line wifi is always overpriced.

Just spent 3 hours untangling fiber cable, worth every secs

>>110093879
OpenWRT's main weakness is updating itself, yes. Other than that though it's very good. The Realtek switch market especially has been getting a bunch of love in OpenWRT thanks to a couple schizos and Claude/ChatGPT.

>>110097561
It probably needed some proprietary firmware crap or something. Can be a problem with the shitty offloads, etc. It's fine for capable hardware though.

>>110094179
just curious as to why you think american backdoors are more secure than chinese ones?

>>110091100
It truly is over for this fake and gay world, huh? Truly we will own nothing.

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>>110090959
Just don't kill them when you find one in your house, they'll deploy nets eat the bugs and grow up to be wifi 7 routers.

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>>110101125
>scuttles away