What does /g/ even do all week with so much free time?
>>110101552>They always discuss how good their AI is at doing their job, but never what their job actually isGradually, I began to hate them.
>>110101575ironic
>>110101575Their job is to prompt Claude to solve the tickets assigned to them.
>>110101552>inflection pointHe has no idea what it means
>>110101552>I ask for more workGod damn, they are digging their own graves to help the company they work for make a tiny bit more money.
>>110101552I play OSRS
>>110101552I just study japanese in the meantime
>>110101552Every time my boss passes by, he laughs, at how I am always just staring at the screen.But I promised him that we can start a new line of products, using AI. If you don't want to become irrelevant, you have to show your boss that you can do things he didn't think you could.
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>>110101575Their job is probably building CRUD webdev shit
>>110101552One day you will be fired because mistakes made by AI because you don’t read the line “AI can make mistakes”
>>110101884Kek me too. Somehow feels like a more normal world than IRL at this point.
>>110101884I have to be at the office though
>>110101552for me the time doesn't actually feel free, because even though you can get your work done in 2 hours, you're still contracted to work the rest of the time and can't start any activities that are uninterruptible cause you might get some coworker messaging you asking for stuff or urgent work shit randomly pop upso i end up doing meaningless mundane activities that i can interrupt at any moment, and it's not very fulfilling
>>110101904>Their job is probably building CRUD webdev shit
>>110101904Lol, you are so delusional if you think there's is any kind of programming AI can't do.
>>110101552I envy the people that have remote work jobs. They can finish a week's worth of work in like 4 hours and play vidya games the rest of the time. Yes obviously they'll be replaced by AI soon, but for now, their jobs are essentially just prompting Claude and laying back.
>>110102033this. I just browse 4chan all day.
>>110101552Yet another Totally Real and Not Fake post about how good SI is
>>110102033I just keep my phone on me and delay anything that might require actually being at a computer via excuses in messages. Nobody can fault you for taking a shit, and then going to lunch, and then having some problems with the VPN, for example.
>>110101552buy an ad
>>110101920Bro you don't get fired from tech jobs for tech mistakes, you get fired for not saying Hello the right way to Brenda everday or microwaving fish soup in the work microwaveNobody cares if you fuck up so code
>>110101920>sonnetRetard model
>>110101552I slack off. Not like I didn't used to slack off even without AI. With AI I do get more done but slack off all the same. Win Win.
>post engagement bait on reddit>no one falls for it and says that's not believable>post the same on /pol/>/pol/ falls for it
>>110101904>CRUD webdev shitThis job requires more skill than 94% of all white-collar jobs.
>>110101552So why not just take longer to do the work?
>>110102942It is entirely believeable if you're good at using ai.
>>110101552these people need to shut upSWE equivalent of a kid telling teacher she forgot to assign homework
>>110101552>AI models spitting out tons of code you don't read>all tech debt: solved
>>110101884this, but 2004scape
>>110102856i care
>>110101552I find this really hard to believe, but maybe its just a small company with a small scope. Or maybe they are just very junior and don't have vision to continue past their assignments.At my large company with hundreds of committers on a complex infrastructure product, I find that I do more than ever post-AI, and velocity increased with it for others so there's more than ever in review and being deployed with which to recontextualize. Never been so burned out in my career.
>>110101552>good news retard, we fired 75% of the dev team and decide you'll be doing their work from now on
>all tech debt goneit must be nice to work on a product from this decade. I'm sitting on 5+ operational dependencies with open CVEs from 8 years ago because we can't afford a full refactor and being in the medical field we can't trust AI to do more than 1 compartmentalized service at a time, still requiring full review and testing against proven norms.
>>110102087I am not denying A capabilities, I am suggesting red tape on software development outside of CRUD webdev slows AI adoption. I am working in a Reinsurance related project, the red tape due to fear of audits scare people into taking risks with using AI too much
>>110102965>This job requires more skill than 94% of all white-collar jobs.used to before LLMs
>>110101552I work one week on the road and one week at home for most of the year except for November to May when I’m home full time. I mostly work from my couch while I watch TV shows or documentaries. Some days I make a lot of phone calls so I actually sit at the desk in my home office without the TV to distract me. It provides an incredible amount of time and flexibility to get housework and yard work done which is great. I can just leave and go take care of personal matters whenever I want. When I’m on the road I spend 5-6 hours each day visiting clients then I go to my hotel and hit the gym for an hour before going out and having a nice dinner on the company dime. After that I go back to my room and either browse tinder for a hookup or play some vidya on my laptop. I mostly use ChatGPT to handle writing my emails, weekly reports and developing my travel routes as well as providing me any relevant client data I should have when I visit. Honestly it’s a really cushy job as long as you don’t mind being on the road and meeting with A LOT of people every day. Money is good especially when the company is paying for everything while traveling and I get to see different cities every week, find the best spots to eat, all that kind of stuff. Not a job for autistics.
>>110101575its fake/marketing dumb shit
>>110101552>OP is a karma farming bot. 47 days old, tons of random comments and posts minutes apart, and the classic WordWord#### username. These are rage bait posts.
>>110101552how do people even have such cozy jobs?i literally drown in shit that even ai can't make sense ofthe code is so shit I can't believe human could have written itthe names tell a different thing and do the other thingfoo can be foo, bar, baz but they are often names as foo so you need to guess, they are not the same and if you pass the wrong one it fails silentlyno logical separation of slices, just shit ton of microservices, because it sounds like a different thing so we have x microservice - you have 480 microserviceslots of coupling, but no consistencyone microservice just sprays other microservices and assembles the output for anothermicroservices call other several levels deep and sidewaysit's not all microservices, because some microservices are god microservice, refactoring is impossiblemany microservices shuffle around god objects, payloads and responses in XML/JSON that has literally couple thousands if not 10 thousands of lines if formattedand you get such object and do a tiny thing on it and pass it elsewhere...of course there are no tests, who needs themthis is possibly the shittiest shit I've ever seenmicroservices were a mistake, it was mostly a fad and enabler for distributed monolith that most shit companies conceive, because they are too retarded to make it properlyI've seen microservices at 4 different companies and they all made bullshit like thatI'm aware it can be implemented correctly, but most of devs are retarded and this is what happens when most devs are retardedunfortunately nobody is fucking hiringeven if you interview you hear no response even though you passed several "stages"it's like they are "hiring", but only on paperthen you get an email that says that they found someone that matches more, but you see the same job postings over and over again
>>110102033can you not serruptitiously open a pdf and read or do some art or smth? Seems great.t. unemployed
>>110102856>fish soupthis is definitely a fireable offense, nothing more wretched than pungent fish soup souring the entire office for a day or two.don't do it
>>110105787AI is a useful tool for refactoring such a project. In the first place, it can be used to produce a large number of tests. Because when refactoring, we mostly care that the behaviour is identical. So if we create tests that work for the current code, and they still work for some changed code, then probably the code is equivalent. Then you can tell AI to do some large migration, like say rewrite a microservice as a library. And it can mostly 1-shot that, and you can verify it with the tests. Then you can do other things like have it come up with better variable names, add comments to tricky sections, add documentation, etc. It won't do a particularly good job, but it will be better than it was before.
>>110101920>sonnet 4.6
>>110101552I can't even comprehend why people think there won't be a job contraction. These things haven't slowed down they've literally sped up. Software engineering won't die, but you'll need significantly less people to do it. I honestly hate AI (inb4 muh SI) because it almost certainly robbed me of my future.
>>110108312its ok, codefags already robbed other people of their futures so no one cares. learn to mine coal
>>110105314fpbp /thread
>>110101552I make up testing shit (also using AI) to test whatever slop the AI shitted out. I've found quite a lot of problems. Although I work on fairly complicated software. My boss loves it.
>>110101552A woman I know is a secretary, she uses ai on her own because stuff is archaic on her workplace, she makes sure ai won't do more what she usually did before it but one and a while she shows the extra mile and that's when she gets her raises and promotions.
>>110108312>Software engineering won't die, but you'll need significantly less people to do itthis was already the case since 2010s. you never needed 1000s of people running something like twitter back in time either. just look at valve, which has like 200ish people for everything (games, engine, store, infra etc) and they serve they products and services to like a billion people. companies overhired just for the sake of doing so. probably because it looked good on papers for some metrics for their investors.
>serve they products and services*serve their products and services
>>110108689so help me sort through what the fuck you're trying to say here, ESL-kun. did she find an ai that will suck dick for her?
>>110108847Use ai to figure out low iq subhuman.
>>110101552I don't waste claude tokens on work shit, I use claude for my own passion projects. I let GPT 6.1 Sol do that, close my tickets for the week then watch youtube or Netflix at my desk. I watched the usual suspects the other day, think tomorrow I'll watch two towers.Yeah I know I'm lazy and yeah I know it won't last. Eat a dick, I'm surfing the Kali yuga
>>110101552I play Genshin Impact~
>>110101552I go down to the second floor where QA and helpdesk used to be and masturbate to the tile patterns in the men's room
>>110103215nice to hear not everyone has turned into a complete nigger
>>110103215Same dude. We're finally moving services from windows server 2008. Its been hell.
In between prompts, I goon to Alla Bruletova.
>>110108822Valve hasn't made games in over a decade tho. And when they tried they all sucked and failed. All of their real gamedev talent has left or retired years ago, so all they have left are a bunch of retarded MOBA faggots (who literally don't know how to make any other kind of game). Their HW is irrelevant because they can't be bothered even meet demand or produce anything for more than an year before dropping it and moving on to the next thing. Steam sucks too compared to 10 years ago when it wasnt slow clunky webshit that takes 10 minutes to open now (it used to open almost instantly). So in reality, they have 200 people that are barely able to maintain a shitty store frontend and throw shit at a wall that never sticks. Very bad example of an efficient company.
>>110111271Careful, valve bootlickers are insane
>>110101575>>110101904>building CRUD webdev shitI assume this is most tech jobs and whoever is in disbelief is part of a very small minority who are working on novel problems at big tech companies. I'm in a similar position as the OP but I'm not as dumb as I'm not asking for more work. Most of my work was usually navigating around arcane business rules spanning multiple services and databases, bureaucracy and legacy code with no tests. Opus 5.5 handles everything but the bureaucracy. My work consists of writing a short spec, telling Claude to do it through github copilot, telling Claude to test it, reviewing the code, and attending endless meetings. Only reason we haven't migrated all legacy code is that leadership tells us to do it slowly both for safety and because migrating legacy code spends too many credits. Anyway I fill my workday by playing video games
>>110103215In a couple of years they are just gonna REA that whole codebase to Rust
>>110111832Enjoy it while it lasts
>>110102087that's what they actually believe kek
How are you guys getting these great results from llms? People claiming ai do whole projects etc wtf? I work on a simple project which is basically tree climbing with few conditions, confidence ladder and fuzzy matching. While good, Opus 5.5 stars drowning in its own vomit the minute I leave it unattended. Like it starts imagining some non existent cases and vomiting 10 functions to guard against them etc. Im I prompting it wrong?
>>110113000I've been doing this for 15 years
>>110113000I know.>>110113328Might have something to do with your tech stack. It works very well for me using C#, with well defined markdown files on the .github detailing what it can and can't do, and with existing applications following patterns it can copy. Then I write a short spec file detailing a single feature with very specific success and failure requirements, never a whole system from scratch as we also noticed as you did that not only is it too much, it's also impossible to review.
>>110101552Redditors are mentally ill
>>110113395*on the .github folder
>>110111832>Most of my work was usually navigating around arcane business rules spanning multiple services and databases, bureaucracy and legacy code with no testsYes, we know, everyone who actually works a tech job knows, everyone who is posting on this topic who doesnt know is a bot or unemployed
>>110113328You have to have a clear vision of what you want out of the computer, and if you cant define what you want, you will end up with slop
fake post, my boss gives me 10x the work i used to have because he thinks opus can one-shot every retarded feature he asks for
>>110101920No
>>110113395It's plain vanilla js.I'm not saying it's not good. I use it and it helps a lot. I just cant understand how can you leave this thing working for hours without holding it's hand. This sounds impossible to me.
>>110111271idk the steam controller + gamecube formfactor small portable computer that runs arch is unironically my two favorite electronic devices i have bought period
>>110113516Hate to say it but its likely just because you (and most people generally) don't have any real 'tech' education (which was never given by the universities)Tech people have a sanctimonious attitudes because they expect that everyone loves computers just as much as they do, and that everyone else has been sitting their fat ass on discord for 9 hours a day like they (and I) have. You have to start from ground zero in order for AI/LLM usage to start truly feeling like literal magic. It makes sense why, when you understand all the moving parts. I, and I assume many of the oldfags who have been trawling the internet for decades, know that the problem with AI right now is that there's a fucking massive powergap between what the average person can do with it (from not understanding anything at all about computers) versus what wizards can do. It's the same thing as always. Even before AI, there were really intelligent competent developers looking at other developers who understood computers way better than most people just developing as a job, and thinking "Damn those fucking guys are literal geniuses" but in reality its just because they committed more time to just learning the fundamentals.
what do you do when your company is stuck on gemini cuz of google contracts lmao
You know if that dumb bitch who made the day in the life of a blizzard employee or whatever showing that she did like 1 hour of work and spent the rest at the gym and eating didn't make that video we could've still had cushy jobs for longer.
>>110113516>It's plain vanilla jsI wonder if AI has a harder time with dynamic languages where it's harder to verify if something is correct. Anyway>I just cant understand how can you leave this thing working for hours without holding it's hand.I'm not doing that. A feature takes anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes for Claude to implement, given a spec. If you need it to execute for hours you're telling it to do too much. Decompose your problem into smaller problems. Whatever is taking Claude hours to create is gonna be impossible for you to review.
>>110113607i'm sorry for your lotsgemini is an asslicking sycophantic idiot compared to claude or codexhas their new flagship released yet?i remember getting an email about it
>>110105314Always seemed obvious that Dario was running undisclosed native ads on social media (including on 4chan) but this is a smoking gun
>>110111832>reviewing the codeThis is an important skill though, and one that a layman couldn't do. How do you actually review big AI commits though? Or do you break it down? There is so much code being shit out by these things that anyone who says they actually review (and test; there's no way you can fully review a lot of this code without checking inputs and outputs) is lying, in my opinion.
>>110101552This is how it was pre AI. Most work is just nonsense, not actually doing anything.
>>110102965No it fucking doesn't you deranged faggot.
>>110101552Read, make art, i've been getting better at cooking.
>>110115866Again, I don't do big AI commits. A single feature has to be something of a size that I could review when coming from a human. If it's too big you have to break it down into smaller features.
>>110104525This.Do people really think those billions of investor dollars were all spent on hardware and engineers?
>>110101575>I began to hate themhere's a week old story >devops tries to build my unfinished branch>fails, as expected>creates new branch>tells Can'tCode (tha'ts how I call claude code) to fix it>Can'tCode wraps everything in ifdefs>here it worksthere was a rename of a struct in a library so Can'tCode excluded it from the code, instead of changing the name of the struct.these companies are paying people to produce garbage and they are instructing them to use garbage to produce garbage.
>>110101762Kek this. Motherfucker should've done it in 2 hours and enjoyed the rest of the week watching movies. Fucking retard.
>>110102856>>110107558lol the Haitian guy at my office microwaves this disgusting stinky fish dish every day. such is life in Canada
>>110101920>sonnet 4.6>mid tier model from almost a year agoThis is like retards clapping like seals when Gemini Flash Nano can't count the number of vowels in strawberry
>>110115975Do you guys ever use agents that do everything automatically, or do you baby sit the AI and watch it do everything?
Is this retarded or based? https://github.com/frozenpepper/deepseek-and-destroy
>>110113794gemini is bad but nobody tongues more anus than the openai models, ever
>>110116296The post was made in bad faith for that very purpose, Anon
>>110101904This. It's always this. Webdevs were a mistake and shouldn't be considered programmers or even human.
>>110101904Bingo>t. Claude prompter
>>110108312Exactly. It's the next industrial revolution, but for all things digital. People lost everything, many jobs were wiped out and that was just from industrial machines, this is 1,000,000x worse. The one after this will be physical again with robots.
>>110116328It's all too new for us, we've been using it for 2 months basically. So for now we babysit it, and haven't used multiple agents working simultaneously or anything complex. Just 1 agent doing 1 feature, producing one merge request we can review. Still way faster than doing anything by hand.
>>110116028desu i get the impression this was always the case. ever notice how all of the AI success stories are "I'm shipping so many features so fast!" and basically never "AI helped me deliver a delicate feature with zero regressions"? It's because the people using this shit all work in silicon valley sweatshops, management breathing down their neck about shipping more, faster. Build, build, build. That's their job description.
>>110113357Hope you make it to 20 years but seems unlikely
>>110101552How fucking retarded are these wagies? Asking for for work??? Nigger I get assigned the simplest task and I am like "yeah this is tough, gonna take like three days at minimum" and then I'll take two weeks to finish that shit.
ai en asian women.
>>110101552make suno songs all dayhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1792498730306398.webm
>>110116028>can'tcodeVery good.
>>110101895>at how I am always just staring at the screen.At your call center in Bengaluru.
