aero and UAC

>>110102086
Computers couldn't run it

>>110102086
lack of drivers on boomer Pentium3 shitboxes

>>110102086
It was released in times when hardware performance was still doubling and MS pushed it to all the people with old PCs, so it ran like shit. Also, it kept asking for permission to everything while XP assumed you knew what you were doing.

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>>110102086
it kept bsoding for me, to the point i said fuck it and installed gentoo. vista was the true "microjeet" stage. then it just kept going downhill.

-t. written from my gentoo

poorfags and their potatoes holding back progress as usual

>>110102086
Bad drivers
Poor hardware
Most of which was fixed by the time SP1/SP2 was released. Ofcourse by then Windows 7 was released and nobody cared anymore

combination of a lot of issues, it was pretty resource intensive when compared to XP and just the OS could be fairly draining on the system
pair that with OEMs not adhering to microsofts system requirements and shipping vista on extremely underpowered systems that would be adequate for XP, but could barely run vista

this created a lot of unhappy customers who blamed the OS more than anything and that wasnt entirely false, vista also had a lot of stability problems early on and many of its features were considered intrusive and frivolous

and since the market didnt like vista, developers didnt do a lot for vista, software and driver support for vista was pretty limited since it was put on the backburner in preference for the larger xp market share
they tried with the service packs and the later packs and updates really did fix a lot of problems, but ultimately it was just replaced with 7 which was vista but stripped down, which people preferred

>>110102086
Gaylo 2

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>>110102086
It was a crashing pos
You add java going haywire too and Ayymd shitty drivers and you were in for a ride

>>110102086
It ran worse than XP but didn't do anything important that XP couldn't do.

>>110102086
Just worked on my first laptop back in 2007 when I was like 12. I never had BSODs like I did with XP. It was definitely slower, but the stability was nice.

People hated Vista because unlike XP, it didn't run on their Pentium 4 CPU from 2000.

ran like dogshit, was buggy as fuck and took ages to start up
everyone used the transparent shit for about 15 minutes before realizing it looks like dogshit, now apple keeps trying to make it look good, but its still dogshit

>>110102086
Hardware wasn't ready for Aero and backward compatibility was hit or miss.

>>110102086
rice

>>110102086
bloatware

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>>110102086
Here's a legit screenie of Vista on my 2007 Core 2 Duo box, taken in 2009 several months before Win7 came out.
It just worked for me, so I never understood the hate, but then again I ran it on a mid-tier PC from that era. I played the Sims 2, Star Wars Empire at War, trolled the forums using Firefox 3 and chatted on MSN. It could multitask fine, but initial startup was a bit sluggish.
And this screenie feels like a window into a lost world... maybe it holds the secret to the gate

>>110102086
not enough system memory in your average 2007-2008 computer. 32 bit consumed half a gig and 64 bit consumed 2 thirds of a gig. the 512 minimum requirements was a lie, you needed 2 gigs of ram to run windows vista. other than that it was fine. you could run it on any piece of shit pentium 4

>>110102086
Was unstable at launch, had some silly presets like hiding the shutdown button behind a menu in the start menu, and that's about it

>>110102086
Lots of early 2000s hardware never got 64bit vista drivers
You could buy an USB webcam and if it didn't explicitly state vista support, it likely would not work

>>110102086
Lots of seething (from me, linux fanboy in high school) from everyone because the marketing was complete ragebait. They copied the user interface of OSX and Linux desktops of the time and it was cringe watching the news, guys on youtube, guys selling PCs acting like it was a revolution and MS was so genius for inventing all these things. The contrast was unbearable. On another scale.
Compare Windows today with Compiz on a common Linux desktop in 2006, the year before Vista launched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws
The jiggly windows and the rotating cube are there for the love of it, but the software was so efficient that you could have these graphics and do everything you wanted to do. Switch them off before launching Wolfenstein but otherwise not a performance drain. When Vista launched it needed 2GB of ram and it would stutter if you activated one of the heavier "aero" effects, like switching between two open windows.

Vista's aesthetic looks a lot like OSX and the "desktop gadgets" they added are simply called desktop widgets on OSX. MS was the perfect villain because they never would admit Linux existed except when spreading FUD about it being perhaps illegal to use. And at that time Apple was much smaller. MS was so dominant and abusing that position always. They could say whatever they wanted and boomers wouldn't doubt their claims.

Vista was also hated for adding DRM and I forgot the details so I asked an AI and put it in the next comment. No-one had a reason to like it and it just made the products more expensive for paying customers.
"Games for Windows Live" - I remember this and it was DRM for MS-published games. Single-player games became inaccessible when MS shut down their failed effort. I personally paid for Bullet Storm on Steam and couldn't play it any more.

In short, for consumers they should have just made a Windows XP with the Windows XP fixed . That's still what people want from their windows PC today.

Kagi AI on DRM in Windows Vista:
Windows Vista (2006/2007) embedded AACS (Advanced Access Content System) DRM deep into the kernel at the behest of the HD-DVD and Blu-ray entertainment industry, making it what one analyst called "the most pervasive and invasive system for digital rights management ever created" in an OS
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Why it was so controversial:

Mandatory and inescapable. You could not opt out. Microsoft reworked core OS components to enforce copy-protection rules for all media playback
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Driver certification regime. Third-party driver developers were required to comply with AACS rules and obtain certification, or their drivers simply wouldn't work on Vista
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Security criticism. Bruce Schneier called it a fundamental security flaw, arguing the DRM was "broken the day it was released" and that the cat-and-mouse arms race was unwinnable for defenders
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. Peter Gutmann followed up with a widely-shared white paper detailing how the DRM's design opened new attack surfaces and locked down user control
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Misinformation storm. Much of the public backlash was based on exaggerated claims (e.g., that Vista would block all file copying); in reality the system targeted only "conformant" media players' output paths
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The combination of an inescapable kernel-level DRM, a forced driver-certification process, and credible security critiques made Vista's AACS implementation one of the most polarizing technical decisions in consumer-OS history and a major contributor to Vista's initially poor reputation
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felt like a step back compared to XP

>>110102086
1. Intel 910/915 chipsets
2. nVidia chipsets
3. Over-aggressive SuperFetch
4. Over-aggressive UAC prompting
5. Canceled BIG features, like WinFS
6. Flip3D was just a gimmicky Alt+tab
7. ReadyDrive was a gimmick (think "Download more RAM," but with jump drives and executed poorly)
7. Apple's "Mac vs. PC" that doubled down on MS's failures, which made the cattle back then moo in excitement for more Macshit/iPhoneshit

>>110107299
>8. Apple's "Mac vs. PC" yadda yadda ...
typo, but you get the point

i believe that it was good in the last year that it existed like i think windows 8 but made a bad first impression

>>110102086
Nothing.
It was fine.
It was the shitty PC's OEM's were shoveling out that had 512mb of ram with windows vista installed.

>>110107403
>it wasn't microsoft's fault, it was the oem's fault
why?

>>110107693
I explained it.
Not my fault if you stopped reading half way through.

Don't know... I was never stupid enough to use windows.

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>>110102086
It was so bad it, Microsoft caused Linux to have its highest PC marketshare ever.

>>110107693
>512mb ram
>intel extreme slow graphics taking 64mb more
>vista-ready

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>When Vista came out I was 19 years old
>"XP was so good, I can only imagine how good this is going to be!"
>Format PC and install it
>Ever single game I own no longer works
>It kept detecting World of Warcraft as a virus, no matter how many exemptions I made
>DSL would randomly cut out every few minutes and it wouldn't recognize the router for several minutes because Vista was stuck in an update loop and kept thinking I was trying to update offline because I had a zip drive... It thought anything I put into the zip drive was an offline update disc for some reason
>I go into registry to delete the entry
>PC automatically restarts, goes onto log in screen, "your PC has been tampered with, please enter the recovery code given when you installed it"
>Didn't even see such a thing, have to format computer again and this time I lose all my stuff (had everything backed up on zip drives though)
>Zip drive is plugged in still while installing Vista... Again
>Start up new install, my zip disk is now wiped too because Vista install recognized it as part of the primary drive for some stupid reason
>Try to go back to XP
>"Cannot install this version of Windows, you have to format"
>Format again
>Windows Vista recovery screen keeps popping up instead of the XP install screen, despite the drive now being formatted and the install CD not being in the tray
>Even flashing the bios did nothing, I had no idea how to stop the Vista recovery screen coming up
>Eventually have to buy a brand new hard drive to use as the primary drive just so I can reinstall XP

That thing was so cancerous, it legitimately put me off any new versions of Windows until 2017 when I installed Windows 10. I was using XP until then, until 2017. I'm not even memeing.

>>110102167
Nah, 7 was good. Still use it on my primary desktop.

>>110105036
Soul

>>110107882
Sounds like PEBKAC

>>110102086
>What actually was wrong with it back then?
Hardware was shit, firmware compatibility was shit, drivers were shit. People went back to XP SP3 simply because it ran much better.
Then Windows 7 SP1 released, and that was that.

>>110108002
>Windows 7
Vista SP3

>>110102086
Nothing. It ran perfectly on the new laptop I got. The annoying thing was having a popup for admin privileged operations, which was not a thing before this (but it's actually a good thing).
It didn't run on weak hardware, so people had bad experiences. There were also drivers for older hardware which didn't work on it.
It feels much nicer to use than XP.

>>110102086
When it came out, OEMs bundled with a bunch of PCs that had no hope in running it comfortably, making the people who bought those think the OS itself was complete garbage. Generally speaking it was a leap forward in terms of stability from XP and had proper 64-bit support.

>>110108063
Kinda feel bad for MS.
Hard to resist calling your customers retards for buying an oversized calculators and trying run the latest and greatest os on it.

I totally skipped vista and used xp and linux at that time, not because I didn't like vista just because I didn't update windows often back then, I used win98 for a long time, I will say I didn't much like xp because I didnt like the look, I installed linux because I studied computer science at the time, I also hated windows 7, I skipped 8 too and only updated to 8.1, honestly I liked 8.1 and would have stayed on it if windows 10 didn't have a dark mode

>>110102086
drivers and people not understanding UAC

>>110102086
they sold PCs which didn't have good enough hardware to run it properly, which made people think the OS was bad
Vista was a good OS, it was better than XP

>>110108218
>>110108063
based retards posting this take itt, i wonder what youtuber you got it from
>gobbled up resources for nothing even if you could 'run it properly'
>zero credible improvements in usability
>first serious turn for the worse where "upgrading" just shittified everything, still ongoing to this day
>a bunch of ugly and retarded interface changes
>first institution of 5000 gay handholding popups asking if you're sure you want to do everything you want to do, also still ongoing to this day
vista was the harbinger of doom, everything wrong with it has continued being wrong ever since

>>110107777
>>110107837
Why couldn't Microsoft have told OEMs do not install Vista on this, customers will tell you they had a bad experience, pay us, or checked if the computer met the system requirements and made Vista unable to install if it didn't? I couldn't install Windows 11 on my 2014 laptop, why couldn't Microsoft have done the same for Vista?

>>110108081
>Hard to resist calling your customers retards for buying an oversized calculators and trying run the latest and greatest os on it.
Blame it on the OEMs, they decided to ship it with underpowered PCs with next to no hardware acceleration and not enough memory.

>>110108267
I wonder what you get out of being obese and angry, and antagonizing people posting what actually happened. Probably a microboner and tendies from mommy.

>>110108405
everybody on /g/ back when vista rolled out already hated it, it wasnt all boomers buying premade pcs. you're retarded

>>110102086
Before vista, windows had a zero latency hardware accelerated UI. Then in Vista they tore it all out for a transparent window gimmick. Compositing aside from being laggy, wasted massive amounts of GPU resources.

>>110102086
Nothing. I had it and used it without issue.

>>110108419
>everybody on /g/ back when vista rolled out already hated it
Who gives a shit? We're talking about why people hated it, not just /g/. Dell, HP, Acer all were shipping it with garbage that could barely handle XP. Go back to licking windows.

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>>110102086
During development, it was clear that Vista would need a decent graphics chip. The most common Intel Graphics chip could not cut it. But Intel pressured Microsoft to let OEMs sell that chip that was very much not Vista-capable as Vista-capable. Microsoft caved. So when people upgraded, it was a shitshow, performance was terrible and all the fancy new visual effects were completely disabled.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/03/the-vista-capable-debacle-intel-pushes-microsoft-bends/

>>110108450
the question was
>what was actually wrong with it
which has real answers that have nothing to do with people trying to run it on shit hardware

>>110105036
>Lost world
No, this is still pretty new, right?

I still have a Vista PC running in the basement for vintage gaming, its an old HP multimedia DVR PC back when HP was experimenting with home theatre PCs with Windows Media Center, I wonder why MS abandoned Windows Media Center, it was an interesting path that PCs could have gone down

>>110102086
It was made for hardware that didn't exist yet, and when it came out the drivers didn't exist either. By the time Windows 7 launched, the hardware and drivers both finally existed and suddenly everyone loved not-Vista.

>>110108267
>a bunch of ugly and retarded interface changes
That was literally the only thing Vista had going for it

Too soon. No one needed it. Why even upgrade to 7 until sandy bridge released

I tried vista in a VM and holy shit now I get it, it was so fucking slow, buggy and heavy and used like 4GB of memory with Aero
Meanwhile Windows 7 in a VM run Aero and uses less than 1GB of RAM

Conclusion: Aero was unoptimized dogshit and it was fixed in windows 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihorvo2tEuA

>>110110153
BS schizo. Vista is not any heavier than 7

>>110110149
Yep didn't use 7 until I got my Sandy Bridge in January 2012. I've seen plenty of zoomers around being absolutely shocked that people used XP in like 2010, 7 was out and kept rising sure but things still worked on XP, the usage of DX11 for gaming and 64-bit architecture with more than 4GB of RAM really pushed 7.

>>110111377
>4G ram and d3d11 were the only reasons to move to 7 (or vista for that latter, but nothing required vista's d3d10 nor did most computers have >4G of ram during its time)
i would have stayed on xp for much longer i reckon if not for having moved to linux by 2011
lots of people stuck with it into the late 2010's, did the job unless you wanted to play some AAA games which were starting to drop d3d9 support and in some cases ship 64bit binaries

>>110111377
>>110111477
I used XP up until 2019, at which point I directly jumped to 10 (and recently to 11, primarily because my job requires it).
It was absolutely fine and in a lot of ways, still the best OS I've used.
I do have a laptop with Linux as well but it didn't charm me to that extent because the memory of an actual good Windows OS is still rather fresh in my mind.

>>110102086
Honestly, in comparison to taday. It was awesome.
I should have never complained.

>>110111499
rather ironically it was initially xp that pushed me to try linux. i first tried linux in 2004, the same year i finally reluctantly switched to xp. of course over time xp was patched up and just got relatively lighter and lighter so it was quite lean and stable by the early 2010's, but i didn't like the idea of having to move to 7, so i started using linux more and more

>>110102086
Too heavy for the computers at the time with XP.

>>110102121
This, it wasn't common for someone to be running 1GB of RAM and it's not enough to run Vista comfortably.

>>110113783
wasn't uncommon*

>>110107299
Pretty much this. The Intel 910/915 did more to poison the well with Vista than anything Microsoft ever did.

>>110102086
it was the windows 11 of its day

>>110111344
try it in VMware Workstation and see RAM usage while using aero

>>110102086
most consumer grade hardware couldn't handle it.
it was too bloated for the hardware at the time.
nowadays it'd be fine.

the problem with developers is that they use high grade hardware to develop these things and think everyone else will have the same access.

you're supposed to build for the lowest common denominator and buidl up from there.
i would always lower the visual settings to the most barebones settings.

its because of vista that i found linux.
windows 7 was an improvement, but i had already started down the path of free as in vibeslopa.

>>110107914
XP and 7 were the nobility of windows, windows 10 is not that bad either, but it doesn't compare.

i use archlinux as my daily driver though, i keep w10 installed on a different partition in case i feel like playing games (almost never)

>>110102086
New driver model that no one supported.
Got sold on computers that couldn't run it.
UAC was invasively needy
Microsoft started a lot of bullshit with gfwl that required it for no reason, making some games instant abandonware (h2v)
Legitimately so poorly optimized that w7 ran better on the same hardware