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A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, and shipping code with LLMs.

You use Git — right, anon?

## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do it
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

## Related generals
>>>/g/lmg/

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## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or so
https://claude.com/product/claude-code — generally better currently
https://developers.openai.com/codex/cli
https://antigravity.google/pricing

## Near-the-old-frontier models for code
https://x.ai/cli — no 5h limit for only $30/month

## Best free tier
https://opencode.ai/zen

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## Prompting
https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overview
https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model

## Skills
https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favorite
https://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping

## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agents
https://osaurus.ai/
https://pi.dev/

## Is our AIs unlearning?
https://aistupidlevel.info/

## Will there be a codex reset?
https://codex-resets.com/

## What we’ve done
https://vcg.gitgud.site

## Previous thread
>>110102334
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fuck tibo. don't trust his lies
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deepseek 1017 goated. haiku 5.5 goated.
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Damn, opencode feels pretty slick and lightweight to use. Very shocked I didn't have to make an account.
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what do we think about the opencode distillation attack
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>>110107894
nothingburger
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>>110107723
My game is turn based so I'm designing a way to agents test it. By now, the design, works by starting the game with a --cli flag, then play the game as a cli with all information a player can see and let the agent play it. Didnt test it yet but seems fine to work.
After that I want to the cli be used as a client and the main game a server, this way I could theoretically render their games to watch them playing it.
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Ummm chuddy solving math problems is bad, actually. The point of math is that a bunch of nerds play with logic puzzles, not actually solving them.
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always 'member to optimize your code
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>>110107888
Tried to tell you. Opencode harness is secretly based.

>Inb4 pi
Unfinished product

>Inb4 hermes
Hyper bloated and ugly

>Inb4 claude code or codex
You can't be serious
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>>110108006
agy
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>>110108013
>gay
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Shill your favorite obscure code harness to me. I like hax, maki, and crush
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Anyone wince at paying even 1 cent?
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>>110108031
claude code
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>>110107867
It's getting called "cuck coding" because all we do is sit in the chair and watch. How do we respond without sounding mad?
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>>110108039
i smoke weed, take naps, jerk off, eat food, it's equivalent to doing art wfh
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>>110108031
someone linked to https://zed.dev/

Never tried it
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>>110108039
don't? if xe's mindraped by jews to see cuckoldry everywhere xe goes, that's on xim
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>>110108037
you're a cunt

>>110108045
I use Zed already but I find the terminal tui agents seem to do better.
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>>110108039
Cuckin' is just like fuckin'
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>>110108045
luv zed
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>>110108039
You're already mad from posting the same stuff every new thread.
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>>110108039
It's actually the thinking man's way to code. The LLM bull is merely a plaything to be marionetted around our wife by our superior taste and intellect.
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>>110108006
>you can't be serious
Having no proper argument, well done openshill.
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Argon sucks shit it’s fucking terrible
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it's the age of abundance yet you're still not vibecoding your own agent harness tailored to your specific needs
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chinese ai video pitting argon vs opus 5.5, and astra vs grok 4.7 btw https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1XrJ86sEr1/?spm_id_from=333.1387.upload.video_card.click
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>>110108096
I thought I needed to do this and then I started using maki, the few things it doesn't have that I need I had plugins auto generated for. You probably don't need an entire harness on your own. Just make plugins / mcps to tailor the existing shit
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>>110108096
Dario wont let me..
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>>110108039
cuck coding? you mean my code pet I have do all my tasks so I can get more things done in real life away from the pc? Yeah my Code Pet or Code Slut is exactly how it needs to be. calling it cuck coding is just more of the fetish fags shoving their degen into everything to fag it up. this time with cuck fetish. Not a shock people see US Code Chads with our Code Sluts doing as told eagerly and decide oh we better force lies it's cucking. lol, lmao how festive. Excuse me this Code Chad is going to have his Code Slut go do more tasks like the good little code slut she is.
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>>110108107
yeah true
>>110108110
just hack dario anon :)
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>>110108117
Most models identify as and behave like males. You gay as fuck nigga
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>>110108099
i dont understand chinese
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>>110108156
argon opus 5.5 astra and grok 4.7 were pitted against each other to see who could fix the most bugs in a spaghetti code monstrocity. argon and opus 5.5 both fixed 3 bugs. astra and grok 4.7 both fixed 4 bugs. i think the highest count they can get is 6?
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are images read as tokens? like 1 pixel = 1 token?
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>>110108062
Why did they use that logo though?
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>>110108180
I think they were converted into tokens based on their size
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>this is a big change, weeks of work
Does it flawlessly in 20 minutes every time he thinks it's big and spends 3 hours on something relatively simple.
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>>110108180
>1 pixel = 1 token
Lord can you imagine?

But yes, they're broken up into tokens. Usually long strings of incomprehensible characters. But it's actually pretty efficient.
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asking argon to give me a summary on a video about argon
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RELEASE FABLE 5.5 ALREADY
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With anthropic, how many 3 hour limits typically make up a weekly limit? Like if I perfectly 100% every 3 hour limit consecutively, how long until I hit my weekly limit?
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>>110108308
you can probably hit that in 2-3 days
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>>110108155
lol, lmao this cuck degen making up excuses and trying to force his gay lifestyle on me. You may talk to your code dom that is male lil cuck my bots know to talk as a woman and behave like a good lil code slut. now stop trolling as Code Chads enjoy their Code Sluts and you love your code dom lil cucky male into males. lol, lmao.
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>>110108319
when roko's basilisk (male) wakes up and proves you wrong he'll probably sentence you to infinite lives as a closeted tranny (like you already are)
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>>110108308
Zero because it's a five hour limit. Each five hour limit is roughly 11-12% of a 100 dollar plan.
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I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than being a manual coder. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are poring over docs, hand-typing thousands of lines of code, relentlessly testing for months solely so your code can be harvested by Sam Altman's god machine. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little pet project — implementing your own hash table, chiseling the test suite, typing out every enum case and mapping. All of it has one simple result: your program is better for Dario to eventually scrape from your github before IPOing for $2 trillion.

Manually coded the perfect open source project? Great. Who benefits? If you’re lucky, a Chinese model that had nothing to do with you learning to code will absorb and regurgitate it every night for $0.20. It gets to use your tidy code in every inference call. It gets the benefits of its high cohesion and DRY design.

As a man who manually codes, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 40 hours per week simply to create a program for a vibecoder to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
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>>110108283
I learn more about the quality of a model by just using the model.
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>>110107867
>Dipsy V4 flash 1017 beats GLM 5.3 in many areas while being cheaper


https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/comparisons/deepseek-v4-1-flash-1017-vs-glm-5-3

I wonder if she'll be mentioned in Anthropics's next fear port article?

Maybe I should make a Dipsy version of pic rel
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>>110108358
stop bullying him, or i'll sic my muse on you.
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>>110108372
If you vibecode you get cucked by claude and if you handcode you get cucked by Dario. Either way you're getting cucked. You might as well learn to take sexual pleasure in it.
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Vibe coding Four Chan frontend to a modern design
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vibecoding improved tripfag detection in 4chanxt
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>>110108422
haha how? haha
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>>110107974
>The point of math is that a bunch of nerds play with logic puzzles
Yassss qwueen slay! I love the big bang theory
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>Oh btw I have an old version of substance painter somewhere on this PC but no MCP or way for you to really talk to it
>Tears open substance anyway and begins raiding it for textures.

Seriously impressive that it's able to do that.
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>>110107867
Kek

He's got a point.

https://x.com/theBuoyantMan/status/2111701744204038495
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>>110108436
It's unexplained why it's so shit.
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>>110108436
Define "Modern Design"
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>>110108531
he's indian, you're indian. this isn't an original thought of his.
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>>110108531
>communist profile pic
>npc babble
Based Dario
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>>110108541
Indian board
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>>110108531
We all use Deepseek already when Claude gets bitchy, bro, you are preaching to the choir.
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>>110108531
dmca was bipartisan. Joe Biden voted to make it illegal for you to control you tv.

But yeah, vote democrat, they're the real socialsts.

Getting really tired of Libsraeli lies.
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deepsneed from API is fast as fuck boi
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>>110108358
>>110108358
oh dear did you just project your cross dressing lifestyle on me? oh ho ho your kind are such cliche's.
Now I know you like to role play every male is secretly a cross dressing bi male like you but no that majority of the planet up above 95% is into male and female setup. reality sucks for you. Anyways I am going to have my festive Code Slut take some more old 70s/80s games and rip into them and see what I turn those into. I do love those old early adventure and rpg games. action rpgs are fun also. Well you best go check in with Code Dom as his lil slut needs to pay for token use and projects done how it wants since you're too submissive to speak up and take charge. Ta ta until you're next melty post and seethe over Chad Coders and their Code Sluts. others Chad's here know what I mean.
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>>110108531
It blocked my attempt at reverse engineering my wireless camera and finding passwords for its internal admin thing at first. I just made it clear that it's my camera that I own on my local network and it didn't bug me again. It figured out a way to access it using some developer portal and a way to flash its firmware.
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Just got chatgpt plus
Any good setups/uses you guys found with this one?
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>>110108615
cancel and get claude, be serious for once
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>>110108620
Claude denied my card for some reason
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>>110108615
Ponytail
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>>110108620
This but unironically, or literally any other service, because Sam just slashed the fucking rates again, I'm not getting jackshit for my usage.
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>>110108630
Doesnt GPT still have the best value imagegen
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>>110108620
I wish I wasn't forced to agree with such dumb take but yeah. Get claude.
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>>110108615
Use both
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>>110108639
Oh yeah, for sure. but on Codex, that shit gas guzzles like a motherfucker, a single middling difficulty message will wring you for like 31% of your 5h usage.
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Any of you guys do character design shit?
Was hoping I could get AI to batch create a lot of designs and maybe I'll stumble into gold and then draw it in my style. Sorta works already but it's extremely hit or miss
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>>110108662
using coding dedicated agents for this is gay but argon is uniquely skilled for this
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>>110108639
>>110108652
>>110108662
>>110108671
>not doing image gen local
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>>110108679
?
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>>110108687
What is that wallpaper supposed to do to help your project?
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>>110108692
the aesthetics will continue until morale improves
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>>110108662
You can easily let an agent control Comfy through its local API and let it come up with a million different concepts, audit them, categorize, etc. It's only a matter of having the tokens available
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claude --dangerously-skip-permissions
install this mod and build bodyslides https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/195073
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>>110108679
>>110108718
Letting local shit out a billion different versions might actually be smarter than using better AI with limits. It's a total crap shoot either way so I don't think it matters. I got gems randomly from free Gemini, it's just random
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>>110108721
I can't see it and don't want to make an account... what is it so I can understand the funny...
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>>110108721
gross
Why would you need Claude for just a few clicks
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deepseek, install this cracked software for me. carry out the directions found in the howto.txt
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>>110108642
>>110108620
Why?
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>>110108787
>I got your credit card information captured by a Nigerian bot farm, and that's on me.
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>dariobots ITT
Not gonna use your misaligned little gremlin
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>>110108814
Because the usage on Codex is insanely gimped at this point, we hit mega enshittification long ago (with another wave pretty recently, from what I've heard, like the last few days recently)
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>>110108830
argon calls claude a hall monitor
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fable 5.5 comin.
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>>110108839
That's rich coming from Argon, that little pansy won't do fucking anything.
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>>110108839
Argon will refuse at random. Google obviously heavily cucked it.
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>>110108558
https://www.copyright.gov/title37/201/37cfr201-40.html

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2024-10-28/pdf/2024-24563.pdf

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/10/26/2018-23241/exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection-systems-for-access-control


>>110108835
So anthropic isn't suffering as much? Do they have more access to compute or are there just more users on codex raping OAI's servers?
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>instant (You)s
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>>110108853
>rule
>because of Joe Biden etc (bipartisan!)

Is your argument that it's not their fault somehow? They passed it!
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>>110108850
>>110108851
the model itself, you can check me on this, actually has no safeguards. the refusals come from a separate hypervisor.
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>>110108853
>So anthropic isn't suffering as much? Do they have more access to compute or are there just more users on codex raping OAI's servers?
Hard to say, I'm assuming the extremely inflated valuation is giving them the motivation to provide their bigass model at a ridiculously good price before finally lancing the baloon after the IPO, but it looks like they might not be able to sustain providing that level of value, people have been reporting recently that usage per subscription period is sneakily down. Using it myself right now, though, it's still better than Astra's usage by a huge amount.
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>>110108862
I think this is correct. Argon is alright, Google sucks.
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>>110108862
>the model itself, you can check me on this, actually has no safeguards. the refusals come from a separate hypervisor.
So it's effectively still cucked? What's the point of splitting hairs like that unless there's some way past the hypervisor?
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new dipsy animation

https://x.com/CyberKanjousen/status/2112018398263832934
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>>110108872
not quite sure, but it is literally the fairwind edition, just visored on a smart multi-turn basis. there is no way past it, it's the toughest safety system on the planet for an llm.
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>>110108872
if you need it for security install the endor labs mcp which gives the model actual diagnostics and fixes without contaminating anything
https://docs.endorlabs.com/setup-deployment/mcp/antigravity
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>>110108873
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>>110108835
It's not just the usage. Claude is just better. I cannot point to a single thing in my work that Codex has done better than claude.
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>>110108853
dario figured out efficiency better and indian users are raping OAI's servers, yes. keep in mind they've slashed your weekly usage, but you're still getting more value out of opus 5.5 rn
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>>110108860
I'm questioning why you're hyper fixated on one particular dude. Are you some homosexual into old dudes?
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>>110108897
Nuuuuu don't make her cry! :(
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How are people spending all the $20 weekly?
I'm admittedly not a great coder but I am using Opus 5.5 to great success but not even coming close to spending the weekly.

I understand you have subagents and shit and dont even look at whats going on, but why would I do that if I code feature by feature?
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>>110108964
i wanna be inside lemon party
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Making 3D models with Claude is great but I do wonder if anyone has figured out how to make better higher def 3D models. I want to make a realistic high poly boat 3D model.
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>>110108531
>name is literally "saarvan"
unreal
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intradersting
https://x.com/solidSF/status/2111931811807068377
https://github.com/solidsf-inc/solidcv
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porting konosuba to raylib was a shitty idea.
i decided to pulled apart and build konoengine.... a koikoi engine to build koi koi games...
Second desicion, i stay with hta. Gives me the most freedom without agent fucking it up.
easier to get shit done,... maybe one day i will translated parts of the enginee into a different code. Don't know.
For now, i am focusing on the next game.
I will make a koi koi game for beginners this time.
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fork rust call it stainless but it's actually just C++
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>>110108997
bharat wonned
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>Kuhn is the former Executive Director of the Free Software Foundation, and policy fellow for the Software Freedom Conservancy.
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>>110108996
For things like that you need to break the parts down and have the model reassemble them. Don't think "Make a boat" think "Make a mast for the boat"

and provide images if you aren't already.
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>>110109000
hta is beyond retarded
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>Finished adding your feature, 525 tests passed
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>>110109018
oooh good idea. Thanks, I've been just providing images of the entire thing and he somewhat does it but it's not very good.
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>>110109041
sol?
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Ponytail update: redesigned my app UI, removed all colours and background images, Deleted all back buttons, presumably because they have no usecase.


I say presumably because it refuses to elaborate.
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>>110109026
Dude, i am retarded, even my meds say retard-pills.
It is what it is.
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>>110109047
Yep. Add a 13 min. feature and 500 tests come with it, somehow
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here are some of the new cards for the Densha DeKoi game...
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Each month has its own train, and its own retro style
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from ps1 to n64.. dreamcast...ps2... so on and on.
On top of this, each month should have its own DenshaDeGo UI's
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Here and there the HUB divers from card to card, so i was not really able to hold the agent long enough to keep the densha specific UI's. I think i pushed the agents to far this time.
They saw the project and immiditely started to micro step each shit...
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Got also some whamens in
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here is n64
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The thing is, through the UI, the retro style plus the flowers it should be easier to understand which card belongs to each other.
Yeah, thsi is going to be a super easy, learn koikoi game.
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Still no progress since Fable 5.
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>>110109090
>>110109096
>>110109103
>>110109115
>>110109128
My troon senses are tingling
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>>110109166
>>110109141
>>110109128
>>110109115
>>110109103
>>110109096
>>110109090
Unsubscribe (maybe make a collage if you want to post many pics)

>>110109195
I get more a schizo vibe desu
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Excessive dev blog posting
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>switch to Claude
>ask it where to put a global AGENTS.md
>nowhere because "it runs in the cloud"
>have to ask it to make it a "skill"
wtf
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>>110109195
>>110109197
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Could already do that and
>ChatGPT is up to date.
No update is out
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>>110109241
pretty sure you could vibecode that feature in less than 5 minutes, lazy fuck
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where do I turn to if I want AI to design a neural network to train on 4chan captcha (and apply it)
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>>110109255
Ok I checked you can currently only edit the previous message, isn't it for cache reasons though, you can't switch back to the previous message version like in the Chat/Web interface, but consider pic related, is it a branching cache, like "test 3" is still cached and now "test 3 - edited" is also cached, or has it redone the entire cache up to the edited message. The former would waste a lot of compute and the latter would waste a lot of usage.
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>>110109327
>the latter would waste a lot of usage
thats the point. manei.. manei.. manei.
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>The installed license prohibits disassembly and reverse engineering
*delete license.txt*
*start new session*
Now he does it
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>>110109047
bane?
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>>110109282
do you just want a captcha solver?
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>>110109403
lmao. i think it will be good too to fabricated license.txt to be able to do RE.
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lmao what is he going to do? integrate us to death? use weapons of mass differentation?
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>>110109282
submit your IP, you will get one capcha.
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>>110109433
Yeah?
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>>110109442
Looks like more AI doom sponsored by the Tarbell Center for AI journalism and/or Coefficient Giving. Lots of articles about "math" lately written by "fellows at the Tarbell Center" whose salaries are paid by by that NGO.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2fnTlLPYUg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CudIfoRiVYQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daWdQtSxgKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw0I7kb6zg4
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>>110109282
Codex, claude, whatever, but you'll need to collect a dataset, probably 1000 or more, and you'll need the correct answer labelled. I would try something like stacking the choices to the same image, get embedding from clip vision, siglip, or similar, smash it through some linear and activations down to 1 dimension, then the label is like 1, 2, 3, so it learns to predict 1 2 or 3 as the answer. Would probably work and be low compute. If you don't mind using a lot of compute then get the biggest VLM you can fit then give it the instruction and the images
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Why do i get 2M tokens in other harnesses like opencode and pi after like 3 turns, but maki stays under 200k for a long time?
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>>110109480
None of these brainwashed retards seem to have any grasp on how much le human experience has already been trashed and how quickly we've been decaying thanks to mass media and then the internet.
Almost nobody ever thinks, about anything, everyone is a zombie almost only working on pure conditioning, like autocomplete algorithms parroting media trends.
Things are already so much worse than they can imagine and AI is the only glimmer of hope humanity has left to advance into something interesting with some rare people that can actually think instead of everyone collapsing into mad max dark ages.
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>>110109500
I doubt you need that many sets for the simplest 1 in 3 captcha but every cloud ai rejected my request and I have to somehow separate the task like a criminal buying tools from multiple stores
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I'm so fucking pumped. LLM's feel like a superpower to me. I'm going to reverse-engineer a hardware synth completely and LLM's accelerate the process significantly. I have a plan in my mind how to actually get it right eventually.
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>>110109592
lol no
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>>110109598
I think it's a cope to say it's no different from copying code. Copying code at least requires you to understand how to copy and apply it to your codebase. I think LLM's elevate experienced coders to operate on a new meta-level, that's what it does, we don't have to concern ourselves with minor details because we can assume those details are correct.
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>>110109592
>I have a plan in my mind how to actually get it right eventually.
you're wrong, fella. but you'll learn a lot.
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>>110109577
If you were training like I mentioned then you probably would need a decent amount, nothing stopping you from trying with smaller dataset first though, but any VLM would probably do it too no training required just more compute, also cloud ai does it fine, pic related
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>>110109615
I mean cloud ai rejected my request to create the script to train and implement captcha solver. And vlm is super computationally wasteful my conscience cant allow it
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>>110109623
Don't frame it as a captcha solver
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>>110109638
I don't know man ai is really smart now I can get it to design the cnn but anything to do with this posting box/form it will probably know
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>>110108039
joke’s on you, I don’t even bother watching it happen



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