Corpos don't like it
>>110151841Nothing that 5 H200s cant fix
>>110151848can an /lmg/ anon PLEASE host a /g/ inference server with models abliterated for RE tasks
>>110151841so? why does an AI company need good relations with software companies over their own customers
works on my (local) machine.
REA is for convenience, you don't need that to reverse engineer a program.
>>110151841Then I will advocate that Anthropic be boycotted by all humans. Fuck anthropic.
>>110151884businesses are the customers, if they have to choose between Abdul and his $20 a month or metered tokens to the 500 employees of DurkaSoft then that's a no brainer
vibesissies get corrected every other day
>>110151884Because if they don't keep good relations with software companies, they're gonna sue.They really have nothing to lose by tying this shit up in the courts forever, they will cease to exist if claude can just shit out clean room remakes of any proprietary software.
>>110151916that forever looks extremely finite
>>110151916Cloning an app's functionalities is not the same as reverse engineering.Adobe still gets fucked over.
Such is the life of cloud cucks. You may touch the sky, but it's only temporary.
>>110151940I'll take my mind off it with some delightful sora videos
>>110151940SAAR YOU ONLY NEED API NO NEED TO OWN COMPUTER SAAR
>>110151841>with SI you can do anything!>NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
>>110151841I get that it's ultimately better to cut it off at the source, but I don't think they have any grounds to do that, and taking down individual repos is at least a battle they could win so why not start there to spook people?
imagine still using claude for anything. the most jewish of the jews.>you WILL pay us per thought but you WILL NOT think outside our kosher approved worldview for goyim
>>110151896the nsa gave me ghidra and wario cant take it away from me
b-but i'm a vibeG-ACK
>>110151841They're definitely nerfing the reverse engineering capabilities. It let me reverse engineer several playstation 1 games like a month ago, but this month it got about halfway into setting up ghidra and setting up a test harness before immediately hitting a safeguard and telling me it can't go any further.
>>110151841what about Chinese AIs?Can't kimi, glm or ds do reverse engineering?
>>110152085gimi
They're going to use AI to reinforce DRMs and you won't have access to frontier models anymore.Vibeniggers were fools all along. Typical goyim thinking (((they))) would let them use AI freely.
>>110151841just another reason why we need more strict laws on internet access (im a supporter of ofcom's online safety act, but it doesnt do enough imo in my opinion)
Is there any way to harden software against AI reverse engineering?
>>110152048grim, looks like they don't have to announce anything while killing off "features"
>>110152130i don't think so. if you provide an interface for it, then the AI can spend as much time as it wants to probe how your software functions in order to re-create it
>>110152130don't give people binaries, make it run in the cloud
>>110151841>Cucked by ONLINE models againYou guys never learn. ALWAYS, ALWAYS do local. Nvidia seen this coming by buying huggingface.
>>110152130Not really, it can chew through assembly code and obfuscated code in hours to days that would take a human years to do.This is probably going to accelerate the push by corporations to make everything cloud hosted subscription services with no distributed binaries.However Opus is so good at fabricating things from vague prompts now, it really doesn't matter if you have the old code.I'm still pissed they nerfed my ability to reverse games that are no longer making profit for anyone and are basically abandonware.
>>110152165how much of this reverse engineering trend depends on decompilation vs. observing the software's functionality? The latter clearly you can do nothing to prevent, but presumably the former you can by creating spaghetti code on purpose I would guess
>>110152238An app's appeal is its functionalities and sometimes its UX. You can never stop someone from vibecoding that in a free open source app.
>>110152025One word: Local Models
>>110152130put mickey mouse copyright infringements into the binary>>110152266you can simplify spaghetti code using an edge solver or whatever its called. It basically removes all code redundancies.
vibecucks lostNext they are gonna get sued by all these companies they infringed on
The rest of the replies to that thread do not seem to agree.If true, sad. Reverse engineering is the only reason I'd touch LLM coding. I hope someone reverse engineers that one expensive blu ray authoring software and similar shit before it actually is nerfed for good.
It's over....All those recomps...decomps....translations...gone forever...now we have to go back to the old dark days of waiting for a tranny spent 14 years working on a shitty game and expecting people to praise XIR over it because "AT LEAST HUMANS MADE IT"
>>110152293literally no one is using local models for this, every vibe-reversed project on github is claudeslop
I knew it was too good for the consumer. You cant modify your hardware/software to fuck you less thats not allowed, pay the subscription. Maybe the chinese will help next year.
>>110152333Please anon...I don't want to think about it anymore.
>>110151841just use chinese or open source models, they are basically 6 months behind and LLMs arr hitting a wall
Party's over dudes, we're back to boring stale computing.
>>110152358LLMs are speeding up. The benchmarks just don't capture it well. Also, chinese models suck ass because they don't have reliable subscription plans. They just say the service is rate limited and steal your money or you have to go the API and effectively pay 5x as much as you would on a $200 claude or codex plan
>>110152344Let's start doing it then
I got a job recently that's going to require a fair bit of reverse engineering, particularly with respect to embedded software. I don't require an LLM for this, since I know how my way around decompilers and disassemblers. Would my nice if Anthropic wasn't a bitch about reverse engineering though.
>>110152350Lmao WtfMuslims lose again
local models are just too expensive for hobbyist. I think people would have to find another frontier model to do the job i.e. Chinese models
>>110152373>LLMs are speeding upLol. Opus 4 > Opus 5.
>>110151841Good—reverse engineering is criminal activity: trust the manufacturers; the free market always ensures the best solutions for the best prices—simple as.
>>110151841This has already been debunked btw, stop falling for fake news.
>>110152441>source: It was revealed to me in a dream
>>110152118The SI labs know what the safest uses are—without guardrails the entire economy would be in deep peril from criminal actors and collapse would be catastrophic: your landlord would evict you because he could no longer afford to pay the sky high property taxes and you will no longer be able to afford rent plus tip.
>>110152460>—This was posted by Wario himself.
>>110152460Dario. Stop posting
>>110152373>LLMs are speeding up. The benchmarks just don't capture it well.yes sure, the benchmarks go to a different school in canada
>>110152441Kek the switch 2 was literally jailbroken after this, OP is a fucking liar
>>110151848where is the model at? I have free access to 8 H200 on the weekends.
>>110152484>I have free access to 8 H200 on the weekends.Own it first anon. Claude is good because its trained night and day
>>110151841>chinaman won big and jews lost big
I really hope you guys aren't gullible enough to believe this
in a year or so deepseek will catch up to opus 5.5 and it'll start all over again
>>110151890>>110152224Then list some competent models that can do what Claude do faggots. You're all talk.I've never seen a local model get the same results as Claude. Why do you think all these recomps started popping up when the new Claude was a thing?
>>110153324>>110152925
>>110151890Show us a few things you've reversed. Should be easy right?
This will probably be like the format wars where a format was doomed if it didn't support porn. Models that don't allow you to do fun stuff will likely be left behind.
>>110153324ChatGPT is like 6 months behind Claude right now, not impossible to imagine DeepSeek 2028 being on par with Claude today
just wait a few months for chinks to catch up
>>110152130just put "nigger" as text inside the binary somewhere
>>110151841GPT doesn't have this problem.
>>110152925>in a yearlatest kimi is pretty much opus, and will be open weights in a couple of weeksit's already over
>>110151841
>Corpo: Hey Claude, make x function.>User: That's a pretty useful function. Hey Claude, make x function for me too.>Corpo: *surprised Pikachu face* This needs to be illegal!!
>>110152130I did just think of something, if you protected your executable with some form of DRM, like a self decrypting mechanism and then put in text for the LLM to read saying this is a DRM mechanism and bypassing it is violating the DMCA you might be able to trigger the safe guards. However an experience reverse engineer would bypass that shit in less than an hour and dump the decrypted executable and then feed it to ghidra. It would stop the filthy casuals in theory though. You could also try prompt poisoning via strings in the binary and cause the LLM to go off the rails, however smarter models would probably safeguard against that too.
>>110151841Seeing how everything was being reverse engineered in these weeks was enough of a reason for them to shut it down. AI needs to make money, it can't be just a piracy tool.>b-but it's le legalit's just a magic tool to make things for free, let's be real. It's too good to last that long.
>>110151960((They)) know you don't have a choice and will come crawling back to get cucked yet again.
>>110153645Actually a good idea. I saw some video about how it's really easy to strip the safeguards out of open models (forget the provider that serves them like that), but for a normie using a normie non-dark-web model that would probably do it. Actually great idea, implement that as like a rust plugin or whatever and it'll be in everything in a month.
>>110151841>Open a new projeetAnyway, I'm glad we'll get quality decomps and recomps again
>>110152130Just give them a bunch of tutorials of how to do it but never let them do the work for them. This will filter 90% of the reverse engineering efforts. People are lazy retards
aren't byte-decomps fairly trivial to do with local models anyway? Seen some dude do it on youtube
>>110152333skill issue, stop relying on trannies and jewish saas and git gud
>>110151884Software companies have a ton of political clout. In an AI vs. the rest of Tech fight, the rest of Tech could win and start passing laws that cuck AI to death. Politicians would even get to do this while acting like they're the saviors of the working class.
>>110153577"pretty much" isn't "is" but i'm willing to wait
>>110152483>>110152543>>110152441Cope harder faggot
>>110151841>Someone uses it to reverse engineer spyware built into their TV>Suddenly reverse engineering is attackedHmmmm
>>110152130Write programs in binary, don't use (((assembly))) or worse (((high))) level languages
>>110154088How's that going to protect against reverse-engineering?
>>110151841AI is here to stay, Chudmodei is only slowing the inevitable a bit
>>110151940>sssuch is the lifffe of c-loud cuckss. you may touch the skyy, but it'sss only temporary
>>110152483that one used codex though
>>110151841>oy vey is the ai encroaching on billion dollar corporate profits??? better shit it down now!!!>ai replacing normal wagies and students just graduating into the current market hellscape??? it's fine, here's 16 gorillion more shekels!!!
>>110151909Lmao nocoders seething at exactly what they were warned would happen.
>>110153405Yeah but it's not today
>>110151841Anthropic is becoming less and less useful. Meanwhile Chinese models are becoming better and better.
>>110151841retarded ESLroaches getting hit by safety classifiers a single time and then accidentally gatekeeping themselves from decomps is a blessing in disguisenot only does decompilation with REA still work, it works fine even without it.
>>110154847This.
Oh NOW companies are worried about AI after spending the past couple years hyping it up the possibility of rendering the human race obsoleteIt's too late now, they opened this pandora's box. Even if Claude stops working, there will be other ways, and this is just the beginning
>>110151841thieves don't want you to reverse engineer their customer's apps aka adobe
>>110152238>the push by corporations to make everything cloud hosted subscription services with no distributed binaries.If they do that, they can kiss their customers goodbye. Nobody's gonna rent shit. Ownership is kingRMS warned against SaaSS (services supplanting software) a long, long time ago
>>110154992>Nobody's gonna rent shit.People have been renting their ability to do basic tasks, like writing code, for a few years now. And they are very proud of that. So I think you're wrong.
>>110151841claude doesnt need it. it doesnt even need ghidra.
>>110154160Dumb nigga
No matter if this is true or not today, it is inevitable that all the main AI companies are gonna censor themselves.The future is either local builds (which will be difficult for most people) or Chinese modelsIt's a shame, it was cool seeing the things people were able to do with modding recently
This wouldn't have happened if we all just used local models. Who the fuck is gonna stop us then?
>>110151841>Corpos don't like itnothing i do has to do with what coprorations want, i like doing the things i do, in spite of what anyone else wants.this is why you're obsolete, while i'm irreplaceable.
>>110153863when's the last time the potus had a conference with software leaders where he insisted we call it superware
>>110152130Obfuscate critical functions. I'm pretty sure LLMs still fail hard on something like vmprotect.
>>110155564Crackers are literally using AI to crack DRM
>>110151841>tfw nobody reversed my favorite videogameFuck. It hurts to be a RF4 fan.I just wanted to marry the dragon...
Already order my mac studio ultra 1tb URAM, will host my own claude with blackjack and hookers
>>110155570Examples?
>>110151841Nothing valuable is lost. Reverse engineering shouldn't be a hobby for just anyone.
>>110155659Voices38
>>110152441correct. this is classic FUD
>>110155736but, aren't you israeli???
>>110151841>Corpos don't like itNeither do I. We're not on the same side. You AI tard fuckers are so beyond annoying that I will reject you out of instinct.
>>110155412He's a giga nigga grifter. He's catching a bag with this shit.
>>110155099>It's a shame, it was cool seeing the things people were able to do with modding recentlySo nothing?
>>110155910When did the left become so blatantly anti-semitic? I thought it was the rightoids who wanted to go full gas the kikes race war now?
Still works
>>110151841It seems to be working fine for me. Occasionally Opus 5.5 or Fable will hit a security rail and be like omg the word "port" was mentioned I have to dump you down to 4.8 but it does that at work too, I don't think it has anything to do with hobby reverse engineering.
>>110151841ok cool, china will just reverse engineer it for us with their model and we’ll take the results to further rape these proprietary morons with it. i fucking love neoliberalism
If you needed a git repo to re anything you're a hopeless retard
>>110152224Who's paying for that hardware, dickcheeks?
>cuck goys still pay for their gimped service
>>110156309>M-Muh gimped! Name one local model capable of what Claude is doing right now faggot.
>>110156320Kimi K3.1? Kimi K3? MiMo-V2.7-Pro? GLM-5.3-Flash? Deepseek-4.1?You lost corpocuck
>>110151841It’s still possible to reverse engineer everything btw this retarded redditor just fucked up
>>110151870lern2code lol
>>110155980It all changed with Gaza. The antisemitic left used to be smaller then the antisemitic right, but after Gaza all people left of center became antisemitic while the non-antisemitic right became more-pro Jews because it was all evangelical Christians who will die for Israel willingly.
>>110151841DeepSeek just found a new monopoly
>>110152130Insert prompts in your final building that make the AI create shitty spaghetti code.Lie in the documentation
BRUH
>>110156274>>110156725Where do you retards come from? Who still shills for chinks when they're not even in the game?
>>110156337How have any of the corpos lost anything? Nobody is using any of these reverse engineered slopware.
>slopchuds thought they could win over corpo overlords
>>110156823Unfortunately REA still works, OP is a nigger.
>>110156847The corpos are still winning. You retards are literally paying corpos to pretend like you own other corpos that are actually associated to the corpos you are paying to pretend like you own other corpos.
>>110156775Is that the man Nintendo hired for the remake?
>>110156775why was zelda redrawn as a loli?
No wonder they're not profitable, they're running every response on a second model to check for safety violations, one prompt 2 executions.
>>110153674Fortunately there are open weights chink models that can do that too.
>>110152130Put everything on the cloud and only give clients access to a front end, obviously.
american companies already ceded video gen to the chinks (right as it was becoming actually capable, no less), they have to stop tiptoeing around IP
>>110151841LolFuck Anthropic There are many other options.
>>110151960This lmao. Imagine not only using Claude or any anthropic product (the most niggerlicious company in the ai space, with the blackest gorilla bigger of a CEO), but actually PAYING to use that. Have some self respect and use alternatives. Even fucking Gemini is better than Claude. Literally anything at all is better, even other jewish competitors like openai.Claude is useless, it refuses to do everything, it's owner is a nigger, it's dumber at math than gpt, it's dumber at programming than gpt, it has tighter usage limits, it costs more, it's slower, Anthropic fell for the ai safety meme, they fell for the ai ethics meme, they are lobbying to ban open source models, and most importantly: Dario Amodei is the blackest gorilla nigger among AI CEOs.
>>110153577didn't they just announced that they safecucked the model by removing cybersecurity stuff from the training? not even chink models are safe, the goyim are literally surrounded
>>110151841corpos got hurt, now the whole world will convene to put built-in safeguards on AI, even the open modelsvibecucks LOST
Really? That's fascinating anon
>>110152178Here's my credentials for CloudSoftThing, explore the app in full and duplicate its functionality by fuzzing with plausible sample data, then extend your model with safety checks and sensible architectural upgradesI'm going to eat human food and drink beer, text me when you have w working prototype but work on it for at least 2 hours so I have time for dessert
>>110157070that robot looks too organic can you add some metal to its skin?
>>110151841oh no, now we'll need to [checks notes] continue the status quo with organic reverse engineering
>still believing this fake news Chinks are really desperate huh?
>>110157051I want to fuck Gemma chan so bad
>>110151841how to prompt my llm to start reverse engineering on my pc?asking for myself, i dont have friends
>>110151974i have ghidra, but i'm a retard and dont know how to use it for anything.am i retarded? yescan i be helped? is there any hope?
>>110157109It's not mine, here is the Dipsy stashThere's a differnt one for China that's all whale maid memeshttps://mega.nz/folder/KGxn3DYS#ZpvxbkJ8AxF7mxqLqTQV1w
>>110157158>>110157148>>110101477
>>110157175i'll check it out.
>>110151841Just say you're doing it to help Israel and it'll probably be okay with it.
>>110155703Where did he ever say that he uses it?
>>110154812>Chinese models are becoming better and betterThe US will ban them and order the rest of their allies to ban them as well.
>>110151841Eh, give it a few months a Deepseek will do it for a fraction of the cost.
>>110157911You can still reverse engineer with Claude 5.5, OP is a faggot
>>110157926Even so what I said is correct.
>>110153577>latest kimi is pretty much opusthese aggregation scores are bullshit, all it tells you is that they're close enough for random questions like how to cook an eggif you look only at SWE domain you can see chinese models being left in the fucking dust (unfortunately)
>>110153577i ran it for a few hours its good but not good enough, few months behind as always
