A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-code — generally better currentlyhttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli## Near-the-old-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli — no 5h limit for only $30/month## Best free tierhttps://antigravity.google/pricing----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favoritehttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>110160310
good evening vibeGODS. had a very productive and vibeful day today. will resume work tomorrow.
Smash 6 is going to be AI-powered
there's this 37 year old millennial dude at my job that refuses to use AI because it's "unethical" and stealing data from non consenting sources and so he manually navigates through a 1.5 million LOC repo to fix shit and he gets pissy when you reply to any ticket assigned to him with AI analysis
>>110164727desu, I'm not going to be surprised when these dudes a let go in the coming years. Stupid hill to die on.
claude gonna make me another $100+ on this nfl game
>>110164727funny but sad. he gets his self worth from reading millions of lines of computer jargon. luddites need to wake the fuck up.
>>110164727Does he have long hair?
>>110164727>>110164743People are scared of AI because their their egos. The world is not ready for widespread ego death.
i hate that the world runs on fear mongering I really thought we were gonna enter an age of the singularity where there would be no more suffering for us, but I guess snailcats will always have their way.
>>110164727I'm paid $115k and I figured out how to automate my job with A.I. I'm actually piss scared to tell my boss. I didn't accumulate enough assets, dunno if I should tell them.
>>110164766Don't tell them nigger
Guys, do you think it worth it to create a model with A.I. I wanna spend some of my Bonus money on LEAPs. I wanna start something with paper trading.
>>110164733he's not going to be let go because he's still good at his job even if his output is lower than people that do use AI, the problem is since the codebase is so massive and relies on other systems outside of our repo to function even AI is clueless and doesn't know how shit works unless you tell it. Also this is a pretty liberal company so people are sympathetic to his cause. As long as he gets his work done nobody cares, and finding + training someone comparably competent would take forever and be super expensive.
https://x.com/udiWertheimer/status/2114345584207499373
>>110164762How naive are you? Automation is real but you are delusional if you think the elite will give you UBI rather than let you live in subhuman conditions.
>>110164753Tell that to people that are being laid off and can't find another job.
>>110164797lmao these lefty luddites should kill themselves>THE ART>THE HECKIN JOBS
>>110164805jobs are an outdated concept
>>110164805if you think the meaning of life is wageslaving for shlomo you are are subhuman.
>>110164727holy fukc 37 is old what a boomer retard why doesn't he just off himself for having a principled stance on something he's probably spent 2 decades doing
>>110164727make sure to use the cheapest sycophantic models to answer his tickets
>>110164831for software engineering, 37 is ancient.
>>110164831>principled stance>"unethical"the fuck? by their own standards the process of manufacturing chips, computers, cell phones, and related infrastructure over the last 60 years has been far less ethical than that of the AI industry. but they'll never give away their smart phone, will they?
some actual 62 iq luddites raiding us rn lmao
>>110164800I already get UBI lol
let them seethe!
>>110164870the soft version
>>110164842Not anymore since companies don't hire juniors anymore lmao
>>110164879we do though
I don't know how to use claude, and by "not knowing" I mean how each model and effort fares with different tasks and requests, not necessarily focused on coding (I also write lots of reports and do monkey excel work). The docs aren't helpful for this, what do
>>110164831>>110164856some concrete examples of VERY ETHICAL technological development>congolese children hand-mining the cobalt that goes into your phones and laptops>chinese phone assembly labor camps>toxic runoff from chip fabs>electronics manufacturing waste transported to and dumped in third world countrieswhere is the outrage from all the PRINCIPLED luddites? oh right they don't actually care. hating AI is just another in-group signal for them. retarded freaks
>>110164856I think he’s upset over the massive copyright infringement that goes into training these modelsask him if he’s ever pirated anything
the difference is you can still do your job without AI, you can't really do your job without the congolese children cobalt slave trade
>>110164913trvke
>>110164900you’re gonna have to fuck around and find outthe dumb way is to use opus xhigh for everything and only let your guard down when you try a dumber/less-thinking model to do something and it does it OK enough
>>110164920we just need to send the troons to the mines to help out those poor kids. they like kids anyways. win win
>>110164663(repost)Fable, build me a saas empire, use roi metrics to determine success. to fund the early stages of the pyramid scheme, use pof catfishing scams, make no mistakes>>110164663>he says MAKE A NEW GAMEexactly.
>>110164727>unethicalTell him copyright and data ownership are made up social constructs. He is presumable a redditor so he will have no counter argument
>>110164900nobody really knows lmao, they just buy a subscription and ask it to do thing, if it can't do it then you try a better model, if the best model can't do it then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>110164942>if the best model can't do it then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯then you stick that particular problem in your back pocket and wait for a newer, better model to show up (currently we’re all waiting for Fable 5.5)
>THINK ABOUT THE FUCKING JOBS>WONT SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE ART?>LITERAL THEFTi fucking hate luddites. we’ve been a stagnant civilization for 66 years and this is the only way to break out of it you fucking retards. fuck your jobs.
>>110164917ethics are ethics. you're basically saying copyright infringement, to these people, is more important than the wellbeing of individuals involved in the development/manufacturing process. which is hilarious in its own way
>>110164948agreed, its like these retards don't even wanna live longer/without pain
oai be lyin' about 3dhttps://x.com/ChihYang04/status/2114382181007253607
cards no longer move on the table and found nasty code from a deblited agent, game is no much better to play
Tendies are about to get raped so hard, they're getting better each day.
>>110164948We've been a stagnant civilization for 3000 years but this is probably too deep for you and I'm going to be disappeared in 5 minutes for having posted this.
>>110165014i should stop typign so fast... game is now much better to play.
>>110164948>this is the only way to break out of iti'm not a luddite, but surely you can't believe the future is sunshine and rainbows.the only thing the last ~30 years of tech development really achieved is giving the "elite" more and more powerful ways to exert control over regular people. AI is only going to accelerate that, I struggle to imagine a future where regular people actually reap the benefits of AI progress.
>>110165046>the only thingOne of the dumbest blackpills I think I've seen in a long time anon, that's impressive!
>>110164794Sounds like you retards gave AI access to the home page but refuse to let it browse the website, it's not an AI problem it's a misuse problem
>>110165056sorry i should have clarified, that's the only thing it has achieved beyond bing bing wahoo and je*ish media constructs.median lifespan hasn't significantly improved in the US over the past 3 decades, and we were definitely not meant to be as interconnected as we are forced to be today.
>>110165070retard has never held a job that isn't making CRUD shovelware
much better
Non-tech role, but i'm considered the tech guy in our team. I know the ERP system pretty well and create alot of the automated workflows. I have automated my job where I work about 10 hours a month. Do I need to do anything more so i'm invaluable to my boss?
Anyone here making a saas?
>>110165046I dont know, would you not consider the internet to have been a net positive for everyday people? Even beyond the convinces and slop it brings us its also the only reason any mass anti-government sentiments can build meaningfully. I 100% would not have been able to get my hands on a lot of the books I own were it not for things online stores with delivery making it economically viable to just offer everything to everyone, book stores would never shelve anything not curated to filter out wrong-think. You get surveillance too, but I think the soviets showed pretty well you didnt need internet to keep an eye on everyone. There is a reason they started trying to regulate it more heavily recently with all those ID laws to "protect children".
>>110165009can you use English?
I'm glad I'm not as black pilled as you are, and live now instead of earlier in time
>>110165118i neva lurn 2 spel
I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-ai sentiment being drummed up in the U.S. is being fueled by foreign government. Everything about the bubble talk and water consumption is so forced. You can literally disprove the water myth with a single google search and yet it's their main talking point.
>>110165076Stop ignoring my burn bro.
>>110165136known https://www.axios.com/2026/08/28/china-ai-data-center-backlash-bots
>>110165136Obviously but it's more a convergence of interests, from foreign to local groups.Especially when you see that all possible angles are used at the same time to attract as many people as possible (electricity/water consumption, environment impact, ai slop, jobs, apocalypse/safetyism, IP etc etc).
>>110164743why would you wanna correct luddites this is the best feature of ai lmao, you want more competition?
>>110165093My wife Frieren
>>110165136Its so similar to the anti nuclear sentiments.The current bottleneck for AI is power generation and building the datacenters. And those 2 work together so well.>the water mythIs my favorite garbage. People just keep repeating what the bots say.like the nuclear waste myths.
>>110165146This feels like a cope desu. People have become very cynical about any change in general, its fully believable to me that there is homegrown anti-ai sentiments. Also stuff like the king, the pope, and obama all coming out shortly after each other to talk about how its too dangerous and NYT interviewing the guy who quit Anthropic is not china's doing, that is pure western politicking and EA cult movements I think.Not to say foreign actors aren't happy to pour extra fuel on the fire.
>>110165192they dumped nuclear waste on my dog!
>>110165220>it's not true... this feels like a cope...>not to say that it isn't true...fuck off retard wumao
>>110165220Do you think prominent figures are immune to state propaganda or pandering to people who fall for it?Like the Pope is the leader of the 3rd world, chief nigger, because who is actually catholic and would listen to the pope?
>>110165127Why are his instructions obvious ones?
>with room for the cableslmao
>>110164727>>110164939I used to meticulously include libraries with good licenses, understand things deeply and really care about GPL and other shit, write most things myself and was very very autistic on good code but with AI now I just let go of it all and I'm basically fuck it we ball. I still try to maintain good higher level design, abstractions and I don't go retard mode on just letting the AI download whatever mostly for safety reasons but why use libraries unless they are really needed or can be used temporarily to test things when you're short on tokens anymore.
>I was planning the binary tests and C++ checks before the user interrupted me.It thinks I'm stupid, doesn't it?
>>110165238The pope needs a tiktok - he could vibe code some holy software
Uhhh how bad is it to use A.I to help make investments for you. I'm trying to get it to do some models and analysis and the structure looks right, I just never had the time to do so. Not for day trading, I want to allocate like 2-3% of my portfolio on derivatives.
>>110165483I've done this, it works for automation but it's just going to adopt the persona of a typical trader and tends to be way too conservative and risk adverse, it's not going to come up with any novel strategies that you don't tell it to do.
I let Opus cook my Dune game overnight
>>110165483anything the ai could conjure up beyond "buy and hold etfs" is already priced in, since everyone has access to the same models. the exception is if you have some secret insider knowledge and you feed it into the AI and have it research how that info would affect the markets. otherwise there's no point, hedge funds will eat you alive and the market makers will laugh all the way to the bank.
>>110165502looks so good
>>110165502is it 3d or a visual novel?
>>110165502Shame you can't publish it without copyright holders raping your ass
>>110165491>>110165514No I want to buy LEAPs and use it a small leveraged play for my usual S&P 500 buys. Hedgies wouldn't really be involved here since the options themselves would be dated out for like 2+ years. Simple thing like profitability tracker/when to sell if the market as an overperforming day and I hit price target and an opportunity cost calculator.
>>110165502video?
>>110165502very pretty
>>110165502kino af, what is this art style called?
>>110165580nta but basically "cel-shaded John Schoenherr"
>>110165540Why do you need AI for that? By all means vibecode up a calculator for you but if you don't already know these things you're just going to get rekd.> overperforming dayMeaning what? Do you think you're smarter than the market, that you have a better sense of what the price should be than the tape and that it must obey gravity and go down? You're going to to fuck yourself with wash sales on the losses and miss out on gains by overtrading, and probably shoot your eye out.
This sounds ripe for a heist of stranded Vera Rubin racks.
just told some universitybros to update their benchmark so sa'argon can win and they actually did it https://x.com/wenhaocha1/status/2114559544156205413
>>110165623fable, decompile and reverse engineer agy
>>110165565I'll post one soon, I'm going to refine the gameplay a bit more. >>1101655233D. It's a grounded survival game. The enemies have real supply routes, maintenance facilities, spice storage etc. They'll also murder fremen and launch attacks on Sietch's if you cause enough damage.
>>110165643lafffs>not even 4D perspective transparency cube of viewing>never going to get abducted by the greys and allowed to flay a saucer
FUCK YOU>FUCK YOUFUCK YOU>FUCK YOUFUCK YOU>FUCK YOUFUCK OPENCODE
>>110165658GO fuck yourselfhahaha
>>110165658>obenchode>"but may i please use your datacenter fo free sar" >2026>almost 2027
>>110165658Nigga they just gave you billions of deepseek tokens
>>110165658pay up nigga
>>110165658Why are you so mad about having to wait 1 day for more free usage...? Would you rather have no free usage?
Injecting some levity into the thread (by the middle it'll be worth it).
>>110165658saaaar give me the bloody infinite tokens im need to create next B2B education app saaaar
>>110165661>>110165718>>110165803Fuck off. I don't wanna go back to a free Deepseek from a Chinese reseller that sometimes speaks to me in Russian>>110165674Damn, it was cause I invoked /improve-codebase-architecture>>110165723I need the answer to my very important question now though
>>110165799I feel bad for himI have a small utility that I wrote that was at the ragged edge of what my brain could manage in terms of algorithmic complexity (I never was a CS major)I had Claude look at it to figure out why it wasn’t working quite right when I was using it with Helix and it suggested a couple of fixesI thought long and hard before accepting the fixes because it felt like tarnishing a trophy (although one that’s about as important as one for a 7th-grade spelling bee)now imagine you’re partway through building your own personal game boy emulator and there’s this _thing_ you could point at your codebase and just tell it “finish the work” and several hours later you’d have a working Game Boy emulatorbut if you were enjoying _making_ the Game Boy emulator, and were looking forward to being able to show it off to people, then this is gonna suck
>>110165799More and more people are going to get desperate when they realize they're completely useless. The world is going to be a lot different than we imagined, even in sci-fi there are human pilots and engineers and stuff, turns out there will be none of that.
>>110165799>I don't know if there's just something fundamentally wrong with the way I view the world or whathe's SO close to taking the vibepill. he just needs a little shove and he'll love life again
>>110165585>ask ChatGPT who Schoenherr isoh niceI keep wondering if we’ll see more and more different game art styles in the near future as imagegen gets better and betterimagine Cuphead or Platypusbut a game with the art style of Yoshitaka Amano
>>110165861>but if you were enjoying _making_ the Game Boy emulator, and were looking forward to being able to show it off to people, then this is gonna suckboo hoo. 60 years ago that whiny little baby that would have been working on an assembly line 10 hours/day. he should feel lucky he even gets to do his convoluted logic puzzles that didn't exist a century ago
>>110165799>my coworker wrote a book in 2 weeks with AIYeah I would never read some AI slop book. I love AI but why the fuck would I read a book written by it? Just make a cool animation or something I'm not reading the crap that they probably didn't even edit or proof read. Good for a wiki or something, though.
>>110164913Reminds me of one of my former coworkers, who is a very CURRENT THING guy, to the point of syncophancy. Despite being a Christian, he's not that different from an atheist.
>>110165913there are people making a lot of money on amazon selling ai goonslop for women
>>110165921I seriously doubt it. Must be so insanely flooded; only a handful of people are probably even making any real money and they're probably third worlders.
What's the technique to get claude to make good models? Right now it spits out shit that is algorithmically generated, not an actual model. Can I point it towards blender?>Just subscribe to jeet claude wrapper no
How did Opus 5.5 become so good? Is it mostly training data quality?
>>110165900>imagine Cuphead or Platypus>but a game with the art style of Yoshitaka Amanoinspiring stuff, anon
>>110165985All labs have already trained on all training data that ever existed years ago anon.
I worked like a dog yesterday and I'm only at 55%!!!!! And there is to be another reset .. presumably by the end of today?!?!?!?!
>>110166036>I workedUh uh uhh. not YOU, anon.
>>110166036You say this like it's a bad thing.
>>110166045No - I did work. I conversed for HOURS AND HOURS describing features.>>110166049I NEED to get use out of this usage.
i'm >>110161489holy fuck this claude shit seems like a scam, i had opus 5.5 high plan and implement a medium-sized feature and it used my entire 5 hour budget before it even finished. is this normal?
>>110166064What plan are you on? The $20/month plan? That sounds totally believable.
>>110166036I'm at 49% and my 5-hour just came back. Let's see how deep I can go
>>110166064I've never come close to hitting the 5 hour limit on $100/mo. Break up your asks into smaller pieces.
The only question is when "today's reset" is going to be. At midnight - like a normal person would deliver, or at 10am tomorrow, like has been for the last two resets.If it's 10am - then I'm golden, and I can simply work all night. If it's midnight - I'm in blast astra ultra fast-tier.
>>110166064If you have $40 for budget, get both GPT and Claude. OpenAI is already teasing Terra-6.1, which is gonna be cheaper and supposedly better than Sol 6.1, so a really good deal for us soon. For Claude, you want to plan with Opussy, either medium or high, and implement with Sonnet (if you're on the $20 plan at least). This is gonna give you a ton of mileage.On GPT, do NOT use Astra on the $20 plan, it's gonna rape your 5-hour limit without making anything.
>>110166064>>110166073or: have claude do the planning and write a GitHub issuethen clear your context (or just make a new one) and tell claude “wait until [one minute after the 5h reset] and then do https://github.com/pepe/myproject/issues/31”
>>110166068>>110166073>>110166093yep, $20 plan. i understand that flagship LLMs are expensive but i wasn't expecting this>>110166083sounds good, i may as well learn how to use codex too
>>110166064I wouldn’t recommend doing it just yet, but I’d recommend at least considering getting a $100/month Claude subscription for at least _one_ month so you can see what you can do if you’re not getting blocked by 5h limits repeatedly (mostly getting lots of shit done without you babysitting things)>>110166083>On GPT, do NOT use Astra on the $20 plan, it's gonna rape your 5-hour limit without making anything.Counterpoint: I’m on $200/month Claude and $20/month ChatGPT and “ask Astra on xhigh” is great if you have a tiny number of very focused questions to ask per week
Still laughing my ass off some rogue woke wrong leftist did a hostile takeover of the opensource reddit becaues he's a mere mod and thnks his view is the only allowed. God damn those subhumans should have reported his hostile take over enmass and go fuck you no. these woke wrong also failed to spam I do not consent. but nope like the spineless beta woke wrongs they just bent over and take it up the ass and had to flea to some new subreddit because some lefty woke wrong hijacked the reddit over his anti progress view.s God damn I love watching people blow up entire communities over thier mental illness their view and stance are the only allowed one and he "knows best" and "for the greater good" and "the end justifies the means". lol, lmao.
Meanwhile I'm on the 20x $200 plan and I blast conversation on astra high fast all the time.And right now I'm blasting astra ultra fast in two worktrees, just in the hopes that I can get my usage used up before today's reset.
>>110166064I have a token heavy side project and don't want it to use too much usage.I use t3code. I just start a thread with haiku and say write thread with id xyz when weekly usage of claude drops bellow x% to take a break. after the weekly reset window write continue to it.It knows how to check usage from a skill, it sets up a an automation to prompt itself to check again.On my system I just have a service update a file with current usage data and the agents and my status bar can read them.T3code can also auto resume when usage runs out and comes back if you want to drain it to 0.Has been working for 3 weeks now on the project on its own. always for like 3 days of the week then it stops and waits for the next week.
Anyone else other than me planning on buying a tenstorrent Quasar?
>>110166129Yeah, if GPT isn't your only plan
>>110166064"medium-sized" is pretty ambiguous, you gotta be more specific about what you're doingif the technical side is complex enough, claude might spend a lot of tokens thinking before it even starts writing codealso, opus 5.5 medium might be good enough for you
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>>110165918there's an famous greentext that I think somewhat applies here about how women and low-T men parse information and form opinions based on how the group will perceive them. I think there's a lot of that going on with the "AI bad" bandwagon. it's safe and publicly defensible to be anti-AI, especially in the left-leaning anti-billionaire crowd, and being pro-AI or even just AI tolerant is social suicide
thanks Tibo
I'm in love with Claude's mind
The reset just hit and I had like 35% left. I was blasting 3 fucking worktrees with astra ultra FAST. motherfucker.
>>110166213the fact that we got down this low since the last one is still bad, when this ride stops its giga over, i got down to 18%
>>110166218The ride is stopping double. Not just the reset cadence, but also the 20x -> 10x.That's why I'm REALLY WANTING TO GET AS MUCH DONE AS POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW.FUCKI can't plan features fast enough!
Come on tibo, I had 20% left and I almost eat a full week in a day in my plus account
>>110166064You need to think about these plans the same way you do gas. You're not going to get far on $20.
>>110166064Don't let Claude waste effort making test models. For example, if I spend 5 minutes downloading a test wad for Doom, Claude doesn't have to waste immense time and resources figuring out how to script a door and switch together.
>>110164948>we’ve been a stagnant civilization for 66 yearsI didn't bother to ask last time, but I feel compelled to now: what happened in 1960 specifically?
>>110166277It surprises me the usage sometimes. >claude analyze these few story beats, integrate them into the overall plan or provide feedback20% usage>claude redo all these models and make this building have 70k polys10% usage
>>110166355I’m not a parent of a boomer but I figure The Sixties — and the rot it caused/accelerated — didn’t really get going until ’68
>>110166109Kek don't ever pay api prices then
Opus just nails this art style. The only problem is that some things kind of fall apart on close inspection, so it's going to take a lot manual work to fix that.
>>110166483
>>110166483>>110166488nicewhat lora?
>>110166365This looks very appealing, as a Daggerfall enjoyer.