here is the video
https://youtu.be/U3i37f6wtWk

>>110169974
>you don't know what the window system is...you don't know if its X or Wayland alright
Here's the funny part: you do.

>>110169974
Skill issue. Steam works just fine for me.

>>110169974
>each of those systems is not very good about backward compatibility
Wait, I thought X was the historical system and Wayland a stupid incompatible reinventing of the wheel that stupidly fragments Linux even more.

>>110170017
>There is a way to ship on Linux. It's called cross-compiling to Windows and running it through Proton
literally the first comment on that vid btw, just use windows bruh, WSL2 has made it just another app anyways.

Linux is less of an operating system rather than an operating system construction kit. It's flexible but you have to lock in to a specific distro like Red Hat for serious enterprise support.

What’s with the counter intelligence in here to get people back to Windows? Them being on Linux is making Windows better by proxy. When someone leave Windows for Linux, the experience improves on both platforms!

>>110169974
>and each of those systems is not very good about backward compatibility
That is a different layer.

>>110169974
>Linux is a platform
Low IQ retard take. You don't target "Linux", you target Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Flatpak, Nix, etc.
>b-b-but shipping to 20 different platforms is too much effort for me
Then don't.

>>110169974
The way I see it game devs should just target windows and make games for windows, and then the looney toon schizos using weird esoteric niche OS's like Linux can vibecode some foss slop to make them semi-functional on Linux with performance loss, and a few bugs and broken features. That way everyone is happy. Making linux builds is retarded.

>>110169974
this is why win32 won on linux, which is honestly not bad

>>110169974
but i do know all of that stuff and if i didn't it wouldn't be hard to find out.
>>110170443
i dual boot and play all my windows games on linux via lutris. dxvk is faster than dx<12 and the same speed as dx12. i get about 5 fps more on linux on the same machine. 2077 was about 10fps slower on windows and load times across all games are at least 50% faster on linux. i only use it for gaming though because it sucks dick at everything else.

ye, it could be a planned distribution control (he says its some passive-agressive imaginary dude) rather than a retarded ELF design and the fact every retard binds to LIBC by default.

though you cannot underestimate stupidity and put conspiracy over it. theres no conspiracy, its just retarded design, like "their" terminal protocol designs incapable of transmitting key codes or pastes or even wrap GUIs. GNUnix tech just follows microsoft.

>>110170148
>to get people back to Windows
? JBlow is just warning Linux adopters about possible issues they'll face.

>>110171044
>GNUnix tech just follows microsoft.
Every new version of Windows looks like KDE from five years earlier. How long did it take them to finally create powershell? And then it still piped .NET objects instead of plain text which literally nobody wanted. I remember the day that garbage released and the Windows power users were flinging shit like no tomorrow. Microsoft is a first rate business and third rate software developer. They're good at manipulating the system to work in their favor but they couldn't create good software to save their lives.

Funny how the only person in the world with these issues also can't make a mobile-tier game run fine on a windows machine equipped with a 5090 after 10 years of dev time and millions invested.

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>>110171356
>powershell

maybe theyve just ate their own propaganda and started copying GNUnix things, 's like that snake that eats itself

>>110171538
Everyone has those issues - that's why no serious software is released for Linux.

>>110171710
Not sure if sardonic or retarded

>>110171748
They really don't. They just release it in the open and then distro maintainers waste time and energy building it for every distro that exists.

Of course the need for above severely limits the ability to release commercial software, so you don't get it - or if you do, it's provided as a service you have to specifically request for, instead of a simple executable available on the developer website after a quick payment.

>>110171867
Retarded it is then.

>>110169974
https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/

>>110172000
>win32
>stable in any way, shape, or form
MY SIDES

>>110172012
I can run Windows programs from the 90s. I do prefer to run them on Linux though. (Where ironically I regularly can't run Linux programs from the same decade)

>>110171610
>ate their own propaganda

otherwise, where it leads to, what is the outcome to that Bash/Powershell? ill tell you what, its an isolated echo chamber, irrelevant to further progress of the system.

mixing up programming language and shell breaks the separation of concerns principle. the attempt of JScript/VBScript was better put. powershell requires a heavy system wiring, services running "group policy", it doesnt interact with the OS directly. its some DSL that depends on services.

CLI shells better stay dumb simple. a better shell for windoze was already created, TUI-like NC, FAR - those shells.

the next step is creating a shell (and a terminal) in that high-level language

>>110172012
You have no idea what stable means.

>>110172100
No, you can't. Why do only people who've never actually tried say shit like that lmao.
Wine is more stable than win32 because unlike actual win32, it can do that. Which is the problem with the article, it confuses wine win32 with actual win32. Wine win32 is not one abi but many.

>>110169974
i can't believe people take him seriously. this is the guy that cried when soulja boy didn't like his game.

>>110172202
>vaguely changing what it means to be "stable"
Sure!

>>110169982
>Windows is terrible!
>I would switch to Linux if only it did everything Windows does!
???

>>110172207
>No, you can't. Why do only people who've never actually tried say shit like that lmao.

At work I have an exe file (machine control software) that i use on Windows 2000 and Windows 11. An exe file that was compield >25 years ago.

Stop calling others out if you don't know what you are talking about.

>>110172529
Tell me what "stable ABI" means

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>>110170432
So why the hell do we see the apple, windows and the fat autistic penguin logo on steam, and not the logos of a gorillion half-baked and unfinished FOSS projects

>>110170432
>You don't target "Linux", you target Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Flatpak, Nix, etc.
Le redditor.

What's the difference between those, when you ship your game through steam for example? Is x86_64 binary somehow different if it runs under Ubuntu and not Fedora? Games do not distributed via flatpaks, AURs, appimages, "whatever". It is a statically linked binaries, most of the time.

>>110169974
When someone says "right?" after saying something stupid, you can basically disregard them completely. and JBlow LOVES doing this. You could say it's just a speech mannerism of his but I see it as him doubting even his own words.

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>>110169982
these people never show the software not working on linux.
it's most likely due to their own stupidity and has nothing to do with linux

if you are incapable of using linux i doubt you have a high intelligence

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>>110172675
Windows is terrible!
I would switch to Linux if only it did everything Windows does!

>>110169982
yt-dlp and mpv are all you need .what other software does this faggot need?

>>110173383
>yt-dlp and mpv are all you need
you are a consoomer golem lmao

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>>110173389
retroarch
mpv
yt-dlp
heroic game launcher appimage

these are all you need

i have no problem with linux because satisfied with the above.
it's all these needy windows faggots who hate linux because their crappy windows software won't work on linux

hating on linux because your crappy windows software won't work on it is like hating the sega genesis because it won't play snes games

>>110173420
because i am satisfied with the above*

>>110173420
>muh games and content consumption
refer to: >>110173389

>>110169974
>muh window manager
>muh display manager
None of that shit matters. Instead of dependent on a specific configuration like a retard, you make your program flexible and let the WMs handle it

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>>110173452
implying i spend money

you have to spend money to be a consumer. i am a miser
i use linux because it's free as in free beer. i hate seeing that stupid product key bullshit on windows every time it expires

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>>110173467
works on my machine, never had to reactivate
tried not being a tech illiterate? KEK

i like open source because it's free as in free beer and it doesn't come with ads like freeware does. freeware tends to be adware. that's why it's free

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>>110173476
i also use laptop from 2012. windows 11 is too bloated to run on it.
even if i wanted to use windows i couldn't
i am forced to linux or freebsd

i am never going back to windows. switching from windows 8.1 to windows 10 is when i made the transition to linux. i switched to linux in 2017. almost 10 years ago
i hated windows 10
i imagine windows 11 is even worse

>>110172875
It's a very common mistake. However, no one ever groups "Linux", Android, and ChromeOS together even though all of them run on the same kernel and use the same ELF binary format. I wonder why.
>>110172936
>What's the difference between those, when you ship your game through steam for example?
Steam (more specifically, Steam Linux Runtime) is another one of those platforms, though it is a bit hard to pin down because it reuses some features provided by its host platform, which could be many things.
>Is x86_64 binary somehow different if it runs under Ubuntu and not Fedora?
Yes. At minimum you're linking against different versions of libraries, possibly with entirely different versioning schemes and directory layouts. The layout of other files may also be vastly different.
>It is a statically linked binaries, most of the time.
Games are never static binaries, because that makes it impossible to load graphics drivers.

>>110169974
It's the best option available.
Windows 7 was the best OS but microsoft killed it on purpose, and now linux is the best one.

>>110173692
No it is not lmao, it isn't even an OS let alone le best one, for troonix fangoys like you loonix is le best cuz muh ricing or whatever and that's all you can really do with it, cuz nothing else really works that well.
windows has its problems but atleast you can ship software for it that works.

>target wayland
>target pulse audio server
>pick some EL point release GLIBC_ABI version libc
I mean, what more do you really need? dbus is introspectable and your UMDs have to have a stable abi anyway.

>>110169974
>>110169982
he's not wrong however I will not be using windows or applel

>>110169974
Well guess what? This isnt exclusive to systems built on the kernel Linux. Any of the BSDs, illumos, whatever. Any Unix-like system will give you these exact same problems.

>>110173379
Not a giga

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I agree with him, I installed CachyOS to be a retarded chud gamer and get off windows
I have no idea what wayland, KDE, etc is, I just picked one and I don't even remember which I picked or how to tell what I picked without even understanding what I was picking, no idea if you can easily change these things either.
No clue what Gnome is, libc, etc
I'm just kind of here to use a computer and not care because I have hobbies outside of the computer

>>110174733
You are retarded and subhuman, conciser leaving 4chan

>>110174739
>conciser
Miguel I would if there was anywhere else to browse for news big dawg

>>110169974
>loonix troons will call this factual criticism le skill issue
It is a skill issue.
If you're a retard, your choices are Windows or MacOS.
It's really that simple.

The only reason why linux hasnt replaced windows as an alternative is a combination of things but mainly retarded devs that don't want to work and create a good desktop. I don't blame them either because coding takes time and nobody wants to work for free. But AI is now making devs obsolete.

The linux kernel itself, mesa drivers is great and runs on hundreds of millions of PC's and phones but the desktop/wayland situation is bad. Luckily wayland is finally getting good, and with AI we'll have decent desktops that aren't bloated with decades of legacy code.

I already started to make my desktop as a full replacement for KDE, coded in rust. Its 5.2mb and fully featured with animations and tiling, No retarded libraries, no legacy code, full filepicker, utillities that just werk. I oneshotted it with GPT 6. It just works fully. KDE is dead. People just want a windows 10 like desktop coded in linux thats fast, not bloated shit like KDE. My desktop is faster than XFCE and fully featured with full wayland and scaling support. 7ms median to open the file manager. and 5ms to switch directories.

https://gitea.com/slycat555/lumen

>>110174780
big reason is driver vendors massive jewish cunts. jewvidya in particular doesn't let any non-approved drivers run thanks to signed firmware, all because they gimp their cards via software as a market segmentation strategy to prevent the goyim from unlocking their true performance that rivals workstation class cards

>>110169982
>you can't distribute software in a precompiled way
That's a complete bs and everyone knows it. If that were true there would be no native Linux games.
>you don't know what the window system is...you don't know if its X or Wayland alright
>you don't know if its Gnome or KDE or something else
As a game developer you shouldn't even care about that. You should target SDL, and it takes care of everything. If your game code has parts that directly accessing windowing system, desktop environment or input system then you're doing retarded shit. There are thousands of Linux native games and hundreds decomps now and none have such problems.
>that's on top of like you don't know what the libc
Assuming that he's talking about versioning. Complaining about glibc version is like complaining about how you can't make a Windows 7 compatible executable in Visual Studio 2026. Just use fucking older distro with older glibc, like Debian stable to be safe.

Everything that he listed are not real Linux issues and just exposed him as a midwit who didn't even bother to read about system he's developing game for. Today you can even ask any AI bot for the best approaches: https://chat.deepseek.com/share/c4y93ssc9ixwjhrgsd
There are a lot of native Linux games that just works, and there are 10 or even 20 years old binaries that are still fully playable on Linux. If you don't do retarded shit your game will just work.

>>110172806
No, you don't.

>>110174876
>That's a complete bs and everyone knows it. If that were true there would be no native Linux games.
Worse, everything outside gentoo is distributed in a precompiled way...

>>110175045
I assume he meant that there are no games that distributed like a single executable (although he didn't say it directly, but I wouldn't expect this retard to know how to properly express his thoughts). This is also not true: there are plenty of games that are distributed just as executables. Here's an example: https://github.com/OpenReliant/openreliant/releases/tag/v0.20.0

>>110172936
>Is x86_64 binary somehow different if it runs under Ubuntu and not Fedora?
yes, they use a different (probably incompatible) version of glibc

>>110169974
No this is correct and basically the reason why you should only target proton.

>>110175117
>why you should only target proton
This retard was filtered by just compiling a Linux executable, I doubt he will be able to assemble wine build system and use wine to build his game.

>>110174780
>The only reason
>is a combination of things
kek
>aren't bloated with decades of legacy code.
wayland's initial release is 18 years old now
>I already started to make my desktop as a full replacement for KDE, coded in rust
why should I use your vibe project instead of wayland shells like noctalia/DMS?

>>110175112
The exact same applies in wangblows, though. This is why you package the DLLs together along with the program you distribute.

>>110175186
>why should I use your vibe project instead of wayland shells like noctalia/DMS?
so he could farm izzats?

>>110174731
issa giga thougheverbeit

>>110175189
>This is why you package the DLLs together along with the program you distribute.
This. I remember seeing project that was shipping ucrtbase.dll. Not to mention that wintoddlers complaining about how linux "don't have backwards" compatibility while have vcruntime 2008, 2012, 2015, 2019, 2022 installed lol

>>110175189
Windows created WinSxS, a complete clusterfuck, to address the problem

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>>110175186
The point is AI does the work, and desktop linux devs are the problem. Wayland is not a bad protocol in theory it just nobody wants to work on it. Even linus is using AI. KDE had decades to build the wayland protocol and make a functioning windows replacement but all they did was sit on their fat asses.

Its over luddite. Nobody wants to use some hyper specific retarded tiling wm, they want windows level quality and feel on linux.

Luddites reveal themselves too easily nowdays, be more subtle. You're obsolete.

>>110175392
Wayland is cancer levels of terrible even in theory, and even worse in practice.
The problem is that microsoft and ibm through r*dh*t endeavor to deliberately ruin linux so they can sell service contracts. See systemdick, gayland, poopwire, poopaudio, avashit, dbug, and more.

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Guhnome and all the other shitty GTK desktops spent decades not implementing a file picker, AI did it in 30 minutes and oneshotted it LMAO.

Luddites and linux devs must be punished for their lazyness in allowing microslop to gain a foothold on the desktop.

>>110175412
Wat you talking about? File picker just werks in recent gnomes

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>>110175418
>they spent decades

Also its fucking over. Luddites lost. GPT 6 made a better desktop in 2 days thats more polished, faster, opens a file manager within 7ms and just werks. Purley in rust, 5.6 MB for the ENTIRE desktop LMAO.

Its so good I've switched to it fully as its good enough. Its over

>>110175429
Your gnome reskin of windows will break the next update bro

>>110175439
Its a brand new desktop called lumen, not a reskin

back in the day schizos that wanted to make their own OS or web browser or desktop environment had to put in some effort and made some grotesque and hilarious things
Shame now they replaced schizokino with souless AI slop

>>110169974
X has perfect backwards compatibility. I took an x11 program made in 1990 and compiled it on modern arch linux and it worked without any changes. You can also run modern X11 programs on older systems because before you use an extension you have to check if it's available.
X11 programs (especially games) work on all desktop environments/window managers, wayland programs dont.

Isn't SDL taking care of that already? That's what Claude told me.

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>>110175429
BTW even XFCE doesnt even have proper wayland or 4K scaling support, or multi monitor/HDR.

Yet this desktop just werks with VRR/HDR flawlessly out of the box and fractional scaling.

XFCE is also slower the file manager loads in like 25-40ms. How long has that GTK sloppa been promising real fractional scaling now, over a decade? It's over.

>>110169974
i often disagree with jblow on account of his massive Dunning Kruger but i actually agree with him here. it’s why i like the BSD’s better than troonix as a freedom OS. that said, even the BSD’s don’t dictate a desktop setup - they should. all this shit should be canonically defined and embedded in the install. anything else is a toy OS.

currently using ubuntu with gnome. trackpad scroll speed annoying af.

>>110175444
>>110175454
Got any webms? I want to see it shit itself in action

>>110173657
Jup, a gorillion different platforms, with an average userbase of 20. Some distros needs to die so others can thrive

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>>110173657
I am making an application, and i got mint installed on a cheap mini-pc. I will just see that it works on mint(easy to install), if it does not work on another disto it is their fault. They need to be smarter with the dependancies they are using.