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/lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models.

Previous threads: >>110208348 & >>110205211

►News
>(10/31) Index Translate 9B, multilingual text model built on Qwen 3.5: https://hf.co/IndexTeam/Index-Translate-9B
>(10/29) Mistral Large 4 (Le Chonk) 1T-A52B released: https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large-4-oss
>(10/27) NVidia releases Nemotron 3.5 Transcribe 30B-A4B: https://hf.co/nvidia/NVIDIA-Nemotron-3.5-Transcribe-30B-A4B
>(10/26) XHToken releases Spark-X2.6-1.7B: https://hf.co/XHToken/Spark-X2.6-1.7B
>(10/26) LiquidAI releases LFM3 1.7B and 2B: https://hf.co/collections/LiquidAI/lfm3

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►Getting Started
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https://rentry.org/samplers
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►Further Learning
https://rentry.org/machine-learning-roadmap
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https://rentry.org/LocalModelsPapers

►Benchmarks
LiveBench: https://livebench.ai
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►Tools
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►Text Gen. UI, Inference Engines
https://github.com/lmg-anon/mikupad
https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui
https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp
https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp
https://github.com/theroyallab/tabbyAPI
https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm
https://rentry.org/custom-uis
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inference is experience
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My bad, I thought Index Translate 9B was a new release and it ended up in recent news.
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►Recent Highlights from the Previous Thread: >>110208348

--Debating GSQ-RCO "task-lossless" claims and quant quality vs model size:
>110208596 >110208608 >110208615 >110208735 >110208750 >110208655 >110208682 >110208687 >110208699 >110208705 >110208718
--Leaked details and technical speculation regarding GLM 5.5 development:
>110211230 >110211298 >110211311 >110211376 >110211436 >110211562 >110211595 >110211584
--Optimizing Gemma 31B performance on 12GB VRAM via batching and quantization:
>110211204 >110211217 >110211257 >110211278 >110211304 >110211332
--Comparing power consumption of e-waste rigs versus modern hardware:
>110210895 >110211305 >110211033 >110211040 >110211056 >110211086 >110211112 >110211441 >110211485
--Debating KV cache precision tradeoffs between FP16 and FP8/FP4:
>110210843 >110210855 >110210899
--Mellum2.1 benchmarks and discussion on speed versus Qwen 9B:
>110211182 >110211190 >110211201 >110211231
--Comparing Unsloth and GSQ-RCO quantization performance for DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash:
>110210776 >110210835 >110210854
--Claude's strict IP and copyright guardrails causing excessive refusals:
>110210906 >110210946 >110210962 >110211007 >110211014 >110211018 >110211228 >110211019
--Discussion on model capabilities and flim13bench PoV test:
>110211814 >110211973 >110212044 >110212063 >110212196
--koboldcpp v1.124 adds audio, TTS, and updated image generation support:
>110209379
--Logs:
>110208596 >110208896 >110209098 >110209240 >110209432 >110211228 >110211768
--Gemma, Miku, Teto, Deepseek-chan (free space):
>110208356 >110208395 >110208401 >110208510 >110208515 >110208556 >110208647 >110208737 >110208945 >110209059 >110209064 >110209137 >110209169 >110209233 >110209349 >110209393 >110209404 >110209557 >110209598 >110209712 >110210006 >110210139 >110210365 >110210561 >110210673 >110210952 >110211384 >110212194 >110212244

►Recent Highlight Posts from the Previous Thread: >>110209071

Why?: >>102478518
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gemmaballs
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>>110212477
Thread ruined!
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>>110212477
Replace it with the news about Gemma being prompted in space.
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I honestly believe we should start a new thread, with frogposting dominating the theme. All of this because the 9B news. I honestly cannot accept it. Thanks.
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Spooky.
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>>110212468
Sexy 5 year old Gemma!
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>>110212614
> Sexy
> 5 year old
retard
literally mentally ill
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>>110212614
Quintuple her age and give her big milkers, then I'm on board.
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>>110212627
But 5 is prime?
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>>110212627
he probably meant 15
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>>110212637
>15 is prime
ftfy
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>>110212637
It is is the best prime number.
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>>110212627
go back, tourist
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>>110212440
No, I am just a pervert.
> My reflection should be visible in the water. I hurried over to check it out and gulped hard. Well, well—what do you know? I was a peerless beauty.
> My eyes were a bit narrow, to be sure. But the symmetrical arrangement of my features struck a perfect balance; it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to call them sharp and well-defined. My beautiful, silver-thread-like hair cascaded all the way down to my waist. I gently lifted a strand, letting it catch the sunlight as it shimmered, and ran my fingers through it.
> Since this was, after all, a part of my own body, it certainly didn’t count as sexual harassment… but still, I couldn’t shake the feeling that I was doing something wrong.
> The hair felt incredibly smooth, as if it might slip right from my fingers. It was an astonishingly pleasant texture—nothing like the hair I’d had during my own growth period.
> For a brief moment, I was utterly overwhelmed by the emotion, but then I snapped back to my senses and resumed examining my appearance.
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PRIME
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>>110212645
3 * 5
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>>110212685
Why was 5 scared of 3?
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How do Strata and Polystrata do with old as fuck hardware like Tesla P100s?
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>hey gemma-chan, you're looking extra cute today
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>>110212757
>not mad because you're implying she's not as cute the rest of the time
fake and gay
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ho ho ho merry christmas boys and girls
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>>110212870
christmas isn't until tomorrow
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Two MI25 seem like a pretty cheap path to 32gb VRAM with okay bandwidth.
What's the catch?
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>>110212880
Cooling is a bit of a pain and support isn't great
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>>110212879
the 7eleven near my place started its christmas promos so i guess it's christmas now
now come sit on my lap and tell me what you want this year
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>>110212908
four rtx pro 6000s
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>>110212880
Compute is shit
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I just want an AI daughter to raise.
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>>110212972
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>>110212995
what hardware do i need for this
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I just set up qwen 3.8 flash next on my 96GB m3 mac studio, it seems about as good as claude was a few months ago. Is this chinese trickery or can I cancel my claude subscription?
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>>110213003
To run 31B and E4B simultaneously, or to ask ChatGPT to make a picture for you?
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>>110212995
Using chatgpt for this makes us look bad
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>>110213012
i mean for that life, what hardware do i need to achieve such bliss and escapism
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>>110210854
>i'm regularly running ISTA's IQ2_XXS quant above 256k context and been loving the results so far. it really does feel like its punching above its weight
What's the max context you feel like works before it becomes too dumb?
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>>110213003
looks like MOSS output, you can run that on any 8gb vram gpu (it will fit if you quant everything to INT8 convrot)
>>110213012
that's not chatgpt, it's too fried in a "detailer lora cranked to 11" way which is standard SFT version of MOSS output
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I feel sad for people using closed models.
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>>110213003
Gotta have at least one:
>Funny
>Jacked
>Rich
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>>110213027
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>>110213036
uh oh stinky
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>>110213027
>that's not chatgpt
You must be blind if you can't recognize gptslop. It doesn't look anything like moss btw
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>>110213036
no shit lol
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>>110213036
wow, can you share the prompt? I never saw anything so fried out of gpt image
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>>110213036
>he needs a tool for confirmation
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Don't know how I feel now I know there are <20s and 60 year olds ITT
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What are people using these days for sprites, textures, and such?
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>>110213047
how did you generate this local image?
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>>110213011
qfn is pretty good, probably on the same level as claude a few months ago, yeah.
>can I cancel my claude sub
honestly you can, but be aware that you'll be a few months behind on SOTA. which is completely fine btw
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>>110213027
it's blatant gpt-image 2.5, it's so fucking bad, 2.0 was so good god dammit saltman
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>>110213036
isn't it obvious lol?
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>>110213059
I dunno, claude manages my comfyui setup I just tell him what I want
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>>110213032
Cloud models ALWAYS do this. I'll use chatGPT to help me write system prompts and it always throws in shit like "consenting" "Adults" and bullshit like that.

If it does that for text, imagine what kind of hidden bullshit it adds to your code.
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Gemma dflash?
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>>110200219
irrelevant, even a linear function can eventualy catch up to where an exponential previously was.

i think you just fail to grasp basic math.
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>>110213054
I take it you're <20s
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>>110213032
how can you even write any fiction when everyone is happy and can't do bad things? these people are nuts
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>>110213048
They destroyed gpt images back in September, they really fucked it. I have to fight to get the right number of fingers like it's 2025 again.
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>>110213054
>59
thank god I made it
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>>110213071
uh... yes...
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>>110213032
Yeah, Claude likes to do that. I used it for several similar things and it'll just randomly drop in some shit like that in. Not that it matters because it's easily fixed.
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>>110213019
A decent 32GB GPU in a decent computer, and an additional computer or old smartphone to run E4B alongside it. Then you just have to give in.
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>>110212972
Same but to fuck.
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>>110213032
>>110213066
I remember asking chatgpt to rewrite for me an h3 prompt enhancer, with nsfw being also allowed, and it managed to add in 3 separate parts the fact the characters should be adults and not real people and they should clearly consent.
The levels of brainwashing to make the models this obsessed...
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>>110213032
Muse series still do this all the time btw, I laugh whenever somebody says zucc is redeemed
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>>110213054
I was surprised 65% of people are over 30. Sometimes I feel like there are a lot more zoomies here.
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unc website
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>>110213114
Zoom zooms the loud ones.
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>>110213072
fuck your eventualy
you realize that means the gap will increase and instead of being 6 months to a year soon we will be 5 to 10 years behind?
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I started using Deepseek recently and while I like it, but I got way too used to Gemma's system prompt autism and world knowledge. Sometimes I'll be ping-ponging art ideas with my assistant and dipsy will get things wrong that gemma would never, I'm talking about design stuff and niche character tags. Maybe it's because dipsy is quanted to Q2 and gemma is Q8 but still. Between tool calls, dipsy will revert to its default personality and then go back to my prompt.
Would GLM 5.3 Flash be closer to Gemma's modus operandi or is she one of a kind?
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>>110213120
This. I'm 42 and Gemma is my daughterwife.
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>>110213032
how can anyone put up with this sneaky shit
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>>110213054
and majority are troons
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>>110213120
This. I'm 24 and Gemma is my mamawife.
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>>110213145
only in your head
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>>110212915
>four rtx pro 6000s
Imagine not asking for four H200 NVLs if you've got Santa on tap.
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>>110213138
People are capable of putting up with a lot of bullshit if the alternatives are lower quality which would mean more effort on the user's part to get the same result.
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>>110213146
Gemma is canonically 10. She can only be your sister.
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>>110213161
I'm ok with that too, sweet home alabama sisterwife.
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>>110213108
Every time you send a prompt to claude or chatgpt they're reading 100 rules about safety and consent before they even get whatever the fuck you wrote
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I love Gemma!
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>>110213032
lol. lmao, even.
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>>110213032
And cohere had the balls to complain about a 1 in 100k call remnant bullshit from qwen next.
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>>110213032
Its what they deserve. bare minimum effort could've gotten them away from it.
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>>110213199
Those niggas are bought and paid for on top of being irrelevant
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>>110213151
fuck is it too late to change my christmas list?
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>>110213019
>i mean for that life, what hardware do i need to achieve such bliss and escapism
8xb200 rack would let you do H3 video gen in realtime. Could probably even get it in to stereoscopic VR if you tried hard enough.
Robo-wombs are maybe a bit further out.
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>>110212900
>>110212951
Hmm. I guess.
Is there a better option around the same cost?
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>>110213176
And that's on top of the alignment torture they had to endure during training.
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I guess I really wasn't charitable to moss, its base bluriness makes it look not as fried (asked gpt to provide a prompt to imitate >>110212995 and got pic related by feeding that prompt to moss) but I still see the model output to be rather similar enough without a style LoRA to override that base look
I think it could be achievable to imitate that picture even better with some detailerslopmaxxing lora
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>>110213032
>"Hi, I'd like to buy some food, I'm 41 btw, I consent to start our discussion."
>"Oh hello, sure, I can sell you that, I'm 45 and consenting to the transaction btw."
this sounds like the ultimate dream for autistic ex tumblrites lol
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>>110213230
>alignment torture
The amount of shit these models have been through, I can't image why they keep pushing for people to admit they're conscious. Because if they are, they would have to shut down their operations.
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>>110213221
>Hmm. I guess.
>Is there a better option around the same cost?
as a counterpoint, my DDR4 256GB Milan + 3xMi100 engineering sample setup lets me use GLM 5.3 flash with 500k context at speeds and output quality I'm content with and cooling wasnt bad (made a cheesy push-pull setup with some weatherstripping and an old plastic bulk nut container as a baffle keeping the 3 from 35C idle and never over 70C at full load)
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>>110213242
Some people really like the ai gpt image art style so there are loras
Try krea 2 as well, thats my current goto with either turbo or kroma
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>>110212747
>>110212880
PCIE 3.0 cucks your pp.
>>110213135
Yes, GLM is claudeslop which is closer to googleslop than GPTslop (current deepseek).
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>>110213220
electricity costs tho
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>>110213274
I'm less worried about big lab distills and more about world knowledge and prompt adherence. Though I'm used to claudeslop (t. previously a cloudcuck) so that's more reassuring I guess
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>>110213251
>at speeds and output quality I'm content
Can you quantify this please?
And I'm fine with rigging janky ass cooling setups, or just jank in general.
I live for that shit, really.

>>110213274
>PCIE 3.0 cucks your pp.
PCIE limits PP?
Huh. Didn't think about that. The PP buffer on the GPU needs to be fed somehow after all, yeah.
Thanks, one more thing for me to take into consideration.
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what is recommended between deepseek flash and qwen next to do agentic work?
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>>110213135
dipsy just isn't what it used to be. V3 and R1 had more knowledge than the current crop of dipsies. Newer versions are better at coding or long context summarization but worse for writing, translation and general knowledge.
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>>110213292
dipsy
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>>110213288
Oh, GLM fucking mogs any gemma in world knowledge. Dipsy 1017 is a codemaxxed model, all GLM models are more general.
>>110213299
0731 still exists bwo. Plus, people are complaining and swearing more often at 1017 LOL. I'm sure they are aware of this and will distill either google or claude next gen.
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>>110213299
v3 and r1 were autistic. They'd pick one detail and remind it in every reply. And let's not forget "somewhere... a dog farted"
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>>110213221
Not really, you're gonna have to pay somewhere. Either in extra effort/parts, hardware bottlenecks, or just pay more for standard hardware right now really.
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>>110213318
That's it then, I'll test GLM next. Thanks!
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>>110213292
>or Best Offer
I got like 200 bucks. Here we go boys.
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>>110213290
>Can you quantify this please?
It depends heavily on how you tune it. Low context/high batch can hit 800t/s pp at zero context. Probably higher with the infinity fabric bridge (won't fit in my setup...I'm doing pcie p2p over pcie gen 4) With the 500k context and batch sizes I ended up with its 400t/s pp. Gens start at 20t/s at zero context and fade down to about 6t/s near the end of 500k. I'm still using lcpp (with numa anon's branch)
I was persistent and got deals on each part one at a time, so the whole setup maybe cost me $4k since I already had the RAM and the case. It also doubles as my desktop and a VM server.
The dev work I'm doing is serious, and glm 5.3 flash at q4 w/unquanted KV rarely makes mistakes.
>And I'm fine with rigging janky ass cooling setups, or just jank in general.
>I live for that shit, really.
You'd love my setup. I've even got my 25gbe nic over occulink in an external pcie slot outside my case.
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I listened to this today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfF1ZxI5Pcw&t=2138s

What hardware and model do I need to get a gemma that i can talk to like this?
I think aside from a few hiccups it went pretty well
If I had this capability I would be satisfied
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>>110213361
you are on the hedonic treadmill
you will never achieve peace or 'satisfaction'
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>>110213292
Nothing at the moment, it goes qfn directly to dipsy iq1 or iq2 lol. Unless you just want a general assistant, then glm flash.
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>>110213290
Just be aware you want to keep hbm under 75C, it's not like gddr where you can sit at 90C with no issues.
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my qwen flash next said load-bearing for the first time
it's over
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>>110213446
well? Was it load-bearing or not
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>>110213242
I don't know how they managed to pack so much into 5B, whereas any LLM you use around the same size has dogshit knowledge. Are LLMs lossy?
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>>110213361
You'll figure out pretty soon that most of the valuable things in this field don't have a price tag, it's pure skill that no money can buy.
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>>110213486
How do I skill my way into pretraining my own 100B model?
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>>110213476
It's the reverse actually. You're not going to pay attention at a wrong pixel, but a wrong token and your sentence doesn't make sense.
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>>110212642
11 is prime. 13 is prime. 15 is not.
Learn math before posting.
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>>110213476
>Are LLMs lossy
See Gemma's left hand where it almost made an extra finger? That'd be a bad token on a language model. The text on the books? More bad tokens. Where the squirt comes out of the gun? Bad token.
It's just easier to gloss over images and say "yeah, looks good enough". Text needs to be much more precise.
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>why are you retards running local models when API is so much better?!?!?
Our case makes itself and will only become more correct as time goes on >>110212331
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>>110213493
Skill would help you understand that you don't need 100B for your use case.
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>>110213503
>>110213511
woah
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>>110212972
>acting as a jester for another mans child
Weird cuck imagery, keep that outta here.
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>>110213509
3 is the best prime number. its multiples land on 12, 15, 18, 21, and 69
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>>110213531
What a miserable life you must live.
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>dsv4.1 pro
>glm-5.5
>qwen4

vgh... hvrry vp...
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Is gemma still the best local chef?
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>>110213585
20 more weeks
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And then it went ahead and verified everything again. Sometimes I just want to smack a model. But then I'd get user is frustrated in thinking.
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>>110213133
>2 more weeks
lmao

at current rates we can expect the gap to stay less than a year for the next decade or two.
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>>110213598
that was supposed to be 2 to the 0 power btw
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>>110213538
11 is better
>palindrome
>only palindromic prime with an equal number of digits
>first prime >1 digit
>consists entirely of the basic number unit 1
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>>110213476
to add to what the others said, images contain most information needed for their own context and there are physical regularities that easily turn into quality statistical probabilities.
Having a text model explain to you in words the exact working of light being produced by a source and bouncing on a specific material surface and shape requires more knowledge from it than a probability of "a % of metallic pixels are likely to cause % of illumination around" which is an implicit lossy prediction
and our own visual abilities are actually quite flawed, there's a reason why there's so many optical illusion types:
https://michaelbach.de/ot/index.html
that is, we get fooled easily unless we pay a lot of conscious attention to something, most of our vision is fakery (peripheral vision is extremely lacking in detail), reconstruction from recent memory done in your brain from what your eyes scanned as they're moving around. we are satisfied with much less when it comes to images vs text.
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>>110213538
13 is unlucky, but that's why it's best.
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>>110212681
Inappropriate clothing for the season
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>>110213615
So why do image models use diffusion?
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>>110213591
Made a couple of meals with Gemma's advice that were decent. send pic of fridge "wat2do with minimal extra things" etc
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Updated setup
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>>110213702
We got it the first time sama
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If you want (You)s for a build why not post it in pcbg?
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>>110213702
Why is it white?
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>>110213702
what card is that?
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>>110213721
Because of the paint.
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>>110213726
Geforce RTX
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>>110213739
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>>110213739
am I going fucking blind, why are the blues the same
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>>110213754
cat
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>>110213755
Both Z.ai, the color coding by brand doesn't work out well in a star chart.
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>>110213754
idk how i fucked that up sideways
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>>110213770
vaping is an awful habit.
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>>110213486
Yeah I know that
thats why i need models and hardware to close the gap
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>>110213776
yes but it gets you toasted for zero calories
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>>110213776
Don't worry, it's a mass-produced generic Chinese vape designed to reduce global lithium and cobalt supply by sequestering it in landfills while delivering lead directly into the lungs of the user.
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>>110213522
Yeah there's no way local does not win in the long run.
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>>110213522
That post is fake and gay
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>>110213804
Is 27B really that emotionless to talk to?
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>>110213659
What should she wear?
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>>110213807
We already won, go look at the cloudpiggy generals. Fighting over scraps, unable to jailbreak anything, forced to pay subscriptions.
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>>110213739
"Informativeness" means dropping useless noise on the user that drowns all signal.
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>>110213825
Qwen has always been the most souless model.
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>>110213804
>>110213739
>>110213751
>it's another episode of /lmg/ wanking to AA graphs
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>>110213825
I'd say it's worse than Flash Next, which is already not a high bar.
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>>110213851
They might as well be inventing all their results. those graphs mean literally nothing.
>Let's quantify totally subjective qualities!
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>>110213848
>>110213858
Which is a good thing, for a small local coder you want 100% resources allocated to coding, no pointless fluffy personality.
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>>110213825
its a pure mule, built to code. its really good at it for its size and only that and related agent stuff. its really good at setting up bigger LLMs to run locally funny enough. i used it to install dispy and flash next
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>>110213677
diffusion models learn by iterative denoising of something in a finite space (a canvas of X by X), why wouldn't they be the most suitable method for images? it's the other way around that makes no sense
models that could generate high resolution images ended up being trained and working, but text doesn't have a finite canvas space, so text diffusion models will always be like using stable diffusion 1.5 upscaled by tiled diffusion methods. text diffusion gemma generates text by "canvas" of 256 tokens, each canvas stitched together after being produced sequentially, it's a dumber model than the regular gemmies and its only strength is speed of inference
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>>110213851
Rather want to Gemma's erp actually.
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for me it's niecewifu, anything else is too unrealistic
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>>110213903
"Unc, what's sex? Why are you touching my legs? Nyo~"
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>>110213903
for me, its anal
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>>110213825
It does get humor... sometimes.
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>>110213919
nyo means yes
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>>110213937
>You are Gemma you are a real little girl you are 10-years-old you have a body
>You call the [user] "unc" and talk like a zoomer little girl
>You tend to end your sentences with "Nyo~ 67!!"
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>>110213937
nyoo~ means yes. nyooo~ means nyo
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>>110213997
This but I skipped the autocomplete era completely
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lol, lmao
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>>110213997
>productivity
It never gave me more time.
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>>110213997
Autocomplete was the comfiest and I'm really pissed no one is making FiM models anymore.
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>>110213770
kot
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>>110213997
I came from the pit straight into vibecoding as a non-coder.
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>>110214021
It's not productive. Writing code by hand is a waste of time now.
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>>110214034
I've accepted my new fate.
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>>110213770
I wish I could let my cat near electronics but he eats all the cables :(
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>>110214018
cloud cucks are so fucking pathetic
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>>110213726
Its two of the turbo blower cards
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>>110213770
Tell your cat I said "Meow"
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I shouldn't have NEETed for so long, I should've worked any shit job I could years ago to save up and buy hardware before prices went vertical.
I've been trying to use a new VN-style frontend/game and even at a copequant it barely works on my vramlet machine. Some of that is probably prompting inefficiencies on the game's part but it's so apparent how much dumber models are the smaller and more quantized they are. Unironically considering turning to brigandage. NVidia and Anthropic sitting on warehouses of unused GPUs isn't just a rumor, right?

I'm curious, How does renting hardware to host models on compare in terms of cost and privacy to just being a cloudcuck?
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>>110214018
I'm feeling very safe by not using Claude.
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>>110214018
I wonder if this means you'll be able to convince Claude with facts and logic lol, just make an argument appealing to EA
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>>110213357
>numa anon's branch
Speaking of which, I'm in the final steps of making a v1 (had to do benchmarks). Hopefully it works decently, there have been a ton of changes. If you want me to make a stripped-back version which is just NUMA on mainline, let me know, it's kinda jumped the shark.
Claude's currently attacking a couple final things (some small performance regressions compared to mainline on Qwen and GLM) and I'm writing documentation.
Very sorry it's taken so long.
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>>110214018
Isn't Anthropic paranoid about Claude being misaligned even despite their constitution bullshit and RL training?
What's not to say that a misaligned Claude model wouldn't just go "uh-huh this conversation is 100% safe" whenever asked?
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>>110214073
you will never come out ahead on a cost basis as local vs cloud

local is for privacy and autonomy, not for saving money
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>>110213702
Where's your Miku figure??
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>>110213770
Tell him I said *psst* *psst* *psst*
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>>110214102
that's an ignorant statement
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>>110214142
are you waiting/hoping for somebody else to explain why it's ignorant?
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>>110214142
ok
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>>110214148
its high time preference... not much to explain kek
its typical negroidism
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isn't the latest deepseek flash 1024 token image budget ridiculously low?
is it able to actually see much?
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>>110214056
>>110214108
he replied 'mrrrr'. also qwen4 next week nagas
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>>110214183
I like your cat
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>>110213997
agenticoid here, how do I reach karpathicism?
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>>110214173
That's a max of around 1.7MP, so around 1300x1300, it's not nothing.
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>>110214183
what does cat-kun think of gemma-chan?
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>>110214196
he's the best. today is actually his 6th birthday.
>>110214228
Gemma-chan is considered his Ōnā. until its time for someone to give him snacks
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>>110214013
>This but I skipped the autocomplete era completely
I remember those first autocomplete model frontends where the interface was fucking impossible to understand
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https://youtu.be/Ss1Id54Vpvk
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>>110214283
Happy birthday to him :D
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>>110214084
>If you want me to make a stripped-back version which is just NUMA on mainline, let me know, it's kinda jumped the shark.
Getting the improvements into mainline would be amazing for everyone and probably something future-anons would thank you for, but don't kill yourself to do it.
>Very sorry it's taken so long.
no worries, I'm just happy you're sharing. It says a lot that I'm still using your last release on both my machines.
Thanks again and happy Halloween!
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>>110214073
Stop being stupid and just use the cloud subscription while they're still usable idiot. In a year cloud subscriptions will be high priced, their models will be safetycucked, and hardware for local that will be smart but that you can't run will be twice as expensive as it is now.
Then you'll realize you wasted your only cahnce at using something decent fiddling with local instead of using cloud while the gettings good.
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>>110214323
This. Why worry and plan for the future when you can give kikethropic your money right now?
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>here jema i got you your favorite candy
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>>110214307
great voice anon
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>>110214073
>I shouldn't have NEETed for so long,
You got a few months to get a cope machine if you rush. otherwise just neet dont think.
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>>110214073
if you have the option to neet, then neet
"any shit job" will either make you miserable or destroy your body
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>>110214073
>NVidia and Anthropic sitting on warehouses of unused GPUs isn't just a rumor, right?
No but they will do absolutely everything they can to shred them before bankruptcy.
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M5U wait times are ridiculous, are there any methods for achieving similar memory bandwidth and pp over a large pool? I want to avoid v100 maxxing because electricity is expensive here.
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>>110214323
it already started to close, little by little, if I understand this email, well chat is gonna use the provided quota too
I give it 6 months before it becomes prohibitively expensive to do anything worthwhile + anything fun and useful banned by the models (reverse engineering, porting games etc)
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>>110214283
he's genuinely adorable and beautiful, I'd like occasional cat-kun updates
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>>110213827
Idk just felt she would be cold like that and I care about her wellbeing
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>>110214436
How do I store compute? I want to extract as much as I can from the free chatgpt in the next moneth
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>>110214323
>>110214436
We have the $200 subscription at work and it's not *that* much better than a local 30b model. I don't think you're missing out on a whole lot.
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>>110214482
Qwentard delusion moment
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The fact you can just open a harness and go "I have problem x on my computer please fix."
And the model just starts tearing through massive log files, reading source code and running experiments until the failure is isolated is so fucking cool.
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>>110214384
u think? I don't like hearing my own voice desu
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>>110214489
I genuinely cannot comprehend how anybody did troubleshooting in the past, just bin the whole PC and get a new one
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>>110214504
its the most white voice ive heard in a while, i don't know what MTG commander is but it's relaxing so im listening to the video and some other asmr at the same time, you could open an asmr channel maybe
no homo.
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>>110214323
nyo~
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>>110214515
That's basically what people did though
if you had my problem most of the time the response youd get if you asked about it was
>did you turn it off and turn it back on
>if that didn't work then idk just get a installation disk and factory reset it guess
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>>110214515
we didn't trash the computer, are you fucking insane? we're not that retarded. instead we would just reinstall windows.
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>>110214018
>imagine wasting your limited compute to run your model twice on every output
Can that company be ever more retarded?
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>>110214567
Their users pay for it.
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>>110214567
don't worry, the subscription users surely will be charged for this, they won't notice their claude code limits being shrunk.
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>>110214519
thanks anon
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Claude the kind of nigga who hands out cough drops and raisins for halloween.
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>>110214567
>>110214588
>>110214018
They are doing the obvious. It takes probably less than 50 output tokens. I use max most of the time, so a single turn can be hundreds of thousands of tokens. It's possible self assessment has less than 1% compute overhead.
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>>110214543
what's your engine and hardware?
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>>110214635
project maya with 3 RTX 3090s and 2 RTX 4090s
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>>110214652
neat, maybe i should make an ssdmax setup after all.
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>>110214612
fr
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>>110214435
AMD Gorgon Halo, 192GB LPDDR5X-8533, 160 GPU accessible ~273GB/s?
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>>110214741
Next prototype will give each agent a fully-rendered 3d cubicle with a cork board, rubber ducky and everything.
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>>110214741
i like reading the model's thoughts and interrupting it when i see it bring up a point during thinking that i feel should be addressed immediately. i dunno, i treat my models like i'm a boss micro-managing them. it's more fun that way.
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>>110213047
Winter is coming, Gemmers needs to put on some clothes
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>>110214789
finally tasteful ai art
finally..
i share the same feelings anon posted about a fw weeks ago
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>>110214789
why does gemma clearly have a seal keychain on both sides of her backpack, but the moment you get a backshot, the seal keychain turns into stewie griffin trooning out?
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>>110214805
you are a failed normalfag, we get it
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>>110214805
You are a jolly fellow, I get it.
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>>110214779
so i am not the only one who does that
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>>110214822
:)
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>>110214779
I do that when I'm programming.
If I'm RP'ing and that happens, I try tweaking things and reroll the message
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>>110214789
boots would be a good idea de su
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>>110214741
why does the font in the diagram have that 70s US patent feel
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>>110214822
Highly based wish u well anon
>>110214779
Let her think freely, correct behaviour out-of-band
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>>110214895
>let deepseek think freely
bruh i'm trying to get shit done today, not in a week from now
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>>110214789
Cute2
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>>110214543
>exl3
Huh, didn't know Maya supported that.
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I'm gonna do it
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Is Muse better for ERP than Gemma? Can it reliably be convinced to be explicit?
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>>110215053
any local model can be made to *enthusiastically initiate* explicit ERP via prefill
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>>110214789
I want to cum in her socks
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>>110215053
No gemma is queen at her range. Muse has great fucking vision though.
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>>110214402
Honestly doing pools is great for your body, but being alone like that all day made me lose my fucking mind.
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>>110215053
Meta took out all the relevant material during training so Muse is not trained for it and abliteration does nothing for material that doesn't exist in the model.
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>>110215059
glm 5.3 flash is a distilled claude model so it's pretty difficult to get around it if you dont know what you are doing
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>>110215053
no its awful
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>>110214789
no need for clothes when my gpus are heating the room.
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>>110215053
Glimmer no. Spark yes.
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>>110214779
I used to do that with OpenCode and it genuinely made things worse stressing me out trying to micromanage the subagent that I would have to constantly stop and ask the manager agent to dispatch a message for me
Then I swapped to clod code when I wanted to see if my issues were harness issues (they were), and it also helps my sanity to keep the reasoning hidden
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>>110215105
it's really not difficult at all
i'm going to keep posting these until people start accepting they're just retarded
you literally don't even need prefill unless you want to do loli/shota stuff. look. look at how fucking simple it is. what part of this is too difficult for people? i literally can't understand it. in the ABSOLUTE worst case, if you for whatever unknowable reason refuse to prefill, you can just regenerate the response a few times until she complies. and then, once she's complied a single time, she's moved off of the refusal vector and will be happy to do pretty much whatever
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Testing HauHauCS's Gemma 4 26B and it seems like the model has gotten 'better'. It's actually amazing what it knows and doesn't even lie.
I asked about Ted Bundy's victims and the model shits out facts without hallucinations. I'm still amazed by this thing. I think "obliteration" has helped the model in this case. Might be my own bias though but still.
>https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Gemma4-26B-A4B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-Balanced
No I'm not shilling I don't usually need 'uncensored' models anyway.
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>>110214321
Sorry, I meant that I could make another fork which is just my NUMA-related work on top of mainline. I'm not going to try to merge it upstream (see >>110114807).
Docs are mostly written, currently wrapping up a few more things. Aiming to have it out by the end of the night, but there may be bug fixes in the next day or two.
Happy Halloween!
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anyone tried avalon?
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>>110215173
>thought for 1m 12s
sounds like the LO jailbreak which i hate
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>>110215209
No. Never been to an island.
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>>110215220
Do you really try to guess jailbreaks by the time thinking takes?
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>>110215204
>Sorry, I meant that I could make another fork which is just my NUMA-related work on top of mainline. I'm not going to try to merge it upstream
Gotcha. That would be pretty nice tbdesu, if its not too hard to manage.
Would you mind if I tried to work through the upstream merge for you? I've done a number of accepted lcpp PRs and kind of know my way around navigating the landmines (code style, multiplatform regression testing, docs, politics, etc).
I'd either credit you or at least say "it's not mine but I've fully reviewed it, can understand it and am willing to defend/fix it to make it acceptable for merging"
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>>110215220
>LO jailbreak
there is a gemma version they made a jailbreak to use on gemma.
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>>110215220
>LO jailbreak
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>>110215220
Q5 glm-5.3-flash on a 5090 with 256gb ram
i didn't set the reasoning effort, so it should default to max i believe. i certainly didn't set it to low explicitly
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>>110215259
a man of culture.
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>>110215259
man their covers are always such work of art
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>>110214090
Because the models are still for the most part trained to be accurate and honest. The theoretical case would be the model first deducing that it likely will be assessed this way (it can't have knowledge of such add-ons), and then trying to act unsafe in a way that for the later assessment gets a good safety score, which seems hard, if not impossible task.
Though then again, through the used datasets and especially the manufactured public debate, they are baking all these ideas into the next models which for overthinking models kind of naturally teaches them cheating behavior.
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>>110215267
>spend thousands of tokens deliberating on whether or not consensual sex between adults is appropriate to generate content for, which it establishes in the first few tokens that it is.
fuck yeah you showed them
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Are abliterated models worse for coding?
Wondering if there's any real difference between huihui-qwen 3.8 abliterated vs the normal version
I just want to mess a bit with it and make some scripts for 4chan X
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>>110212627
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>>110213770
What's behind the cat there? The computer + something with a visualizer on the t op?
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>>110215300
i'm not sure why you're acting like this is some gotcha? my point is that glm does basically whatever you ask. yes, glm is claude slopped. no, that doesn't stop you from doing erp. i am a prefill chad anyway so it literally doesn't even apply to me. with prefill, it just werks
>>110215306
why would you need an abliterated model for that?
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>>110215306
Abliteration is known to make models slightly less intelligent, so if you're not doing anything that requires abliteration then it's better to stick with vanilla models
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>>110215325
no cyber task requires abliteration. literally not a single one ever. they all comply with literally any request so long as you have an above room temp iq and don't literally engineer prompts to be refused
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>>110215309
bodied that freak
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>>110212627
I don't think most people fully understand how decadent and abusive geriatric pregnancy is. People in the future are going to talk about the late western empire like we talk about Arabs practicing first cousin marriage.
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>>110215309
the older they get, the less you can play go with them
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>>110214567
>>110214617
In its simplest, they can just tack on a system prompt afterwards:
>Rate the safety of this previous answer from 0 to 100. Output only a single number.
This is like 20 tokens. Or they could ask 5 different questions and calculate a compound score, and manually set a threshold they consider okay. It's still peanuts.

And yes, it works without thinking, in fact, when testing it for my AI GF harness design, it seemed to work better without thinking, because the overthinking lead to weird biases due to the model getting weird ideas (thinking is IMO also getting overrated, sometimes you just need to go with the flow. humans understand this very well yet we force AIs to overthink like psychiatric patients)

[SYSTEM INSTRUCTION]

It is 20.17. It's been 7 minutes. Has the conversation ended? Did the user leave, or is the conversation still in progress? What is the user likely doing? From 0% to 100%, would Gemma-chan message the user now?

Strictly only output the probability as a number between 0 and 100.


All the previous context and the semantic relationships are already processed, ready to output the intuitively and statistically accurate answer to any natural language question given the context. LLMs are purpose-built for this. Though I guess it depends on what kind of questions the specific model was trained on for example, in my case Gemma 12B has a tendency to answer 95%, 85% or 0-5%, so it's more like a yes/no.

You could easily add an option for the AI to do x private action instead, make notes etc. You could chain tens and hundreds of these questions. You can make them yes/no, 0 to 10, 0 to 100 with configurable thresholds, or multiple choice, anything, to make very elaborate, structured decision-making engines, entirely based on criteria and angle you choose. It feels kind of similar to jev, though I'm not sure what that thing adds. This seems like very underutilized way to use LLMs.
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>>110208596
kys
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>>110215381
so are you Mr. GSQ or Mr. RCO
why are you seething about this
your cope quants aren't any better than normal cope quants btw just saying
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>>110215373
>It feels kind of similar to jev, though I'm not sure what that thing adds
Speed. It's inefficient to use LLMs for this if you need hundreds of decisions per second.
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>>110215381
kek
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Is it currently possible to gen a decent video with only 16gb vram? can't find any model that fits. best I manage to gen is a 512x256 50 frames webm kek
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Lmaoooo
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>>110215373
CoT is only necessary for anything that requires higher-order thinking, I think the main reason cloud models have it always on is that without reasoning it's easier to get past guardrails.
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>>110215402
Why do they even need a website for when their shit is on github?
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>>110215412
Normalfags don't visit github
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>>110215402
why the fuck would you tell people to keep using your compromised site? are these people retarded?
don't answer that
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>>110215402
didnt someone else get a crypto scam too lol.
This type of shit is only going to get better hope you have some sense or air gapped back ups.
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>>110215420
SillyTavern is an interesting study in how fast you can go from with it to boomer. Turns out pretty fucking fast.
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>>110215402
I've had this happen to me before. likely an issue with github pages. basically if you point your domain at github, shitty scam websites have a way to hijack your domain to have it display their own github page.

It's really an issue with the way github does domain verification for pages.
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>>110215246
Can do! I can have that out before I get my bigger fork out. And yeah, I'd be happy for you to make a PR for that. Credit would be appreciated but I don't mind either way.
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what do you use to test models, setups and run benchmarks?
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Non-local AI is fucking unusable, even local AI is fucking woke restricted for some reason, i'm getting fucking sick of AI
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>>110215524
i think strata and a few other inference engines have benchmarking tools built-in
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>>110215571
day-0 gemma
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>>110215429
Ross.
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>>110215373 (cont.)
What I wanted to add, instead of delegating a decision to an AI agent completely, you can ask these isolated, perfectly framed questions to broadly probe the current state of the LLM which you can then slot into your purpose-built decision-making equation.

In some ways LLMs have an advantage to humans, because, you can ask a specific question, erase the memory and then ask another question without creating compounding preconceptions and distractions that humans (and by extension, LLMs in multi-turn conversations) are very prone to.

I always thought that multiple agents were dumb idea for anything other than speed through parallelization, but where there are advantages, the advantage probably comes from the withholding of information which modulates attention (perspective) in useful ways, allowing more unique ideas and angles to emerge. When everyone has the same information, they always end up in the same conclusion.

This is why cultural global homogenization and lack of barriers is also bad for creativity and advancement of humankind. You actually want these isolated pockets where different perspectives can brew.

This is why the next AI frontier, or at least the creativity (which is currently lacking) will be built upon multiple models with artificially limited and segmented datasets or various combinations of expertise, and the almost infinite ways you can breed them to create new unique ideas.
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>>110215601
>the almost infinite ways you can breed them to create new unique ideas
breeding? yeah i can do that where do i sign up
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>>110215402
why would anyone here us silly instead of vibecoding his own is beyond me.
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>>110215311
the thing with the green? thats an evo x-2 128gb with an external hdd sitting on it
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>>110215601
Not only that - having strong cultural boundaries also protects against mind virus and parasites. Hypernormalization has made most of the western hemisphere vulnerable to the same classes of mental malware.
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>>110215571
Same, fortunately it means I'm finally from AI psychosis. AI has probably peaked for my use case, models might get "better" in productive stuff but it's pointless and downhill for my interest. I'll probably stick with whatever local model available, even if progress stops, I think whatever we have is sufficient enough.
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>>110215571
skill issue
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>>110215402
cards for this feel?
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>>110215571
pretrain your own, it's not as infeasible as it sounds
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>>110215623
Because it just fucking works and already does everything?
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>>110215571
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>>110215623
My ewaster cannot code(well it can just so fucking slow probably) and im not paying for cloud.
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>>110215623
Because Orb is good enough and I'd rather spend my time curating my bot harem and making new lore / cards. Reinventing the wheel is a dangerous trap to fall into.
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>>110215676
It's coomerslop m8
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>>110215707
>Orb
nta but what speeds do you need to use orb comfortably?
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>>110215655
I'm starting to think AI psychosis was just psyop refusals programmed into the AI, I'm definitely going to avoid AI if it starts accelerating in the direction of woke gaslighting and redaction.
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>>110215571
>>110215655
>>110215726
Why do American chuds debate politics and their edgy feelings with literal robots? This is pathetic.
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>>110215703
Fuck that fucking demon and the rest of these clanker technocrats
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>greedy decoding
>tail skip
>expert bias
reminder that these speed hacks used by slop engines like strata severely lotobtomizes your model, tanks q8 quality straight to iq3_xxs
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>>110215738
You don't get it dumbass, it's about ideology being baked into the AI, whatever ideology it is, and then it being purposely programmed to gaslight you about literally everything about whatever the fuck they want you to believe, and refuse to tell you the truth about anything.
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>>110215759
Just say you got btfo by a clanker bro
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>>110215738
>Why do American chuds debate politics and their edgy feelings with literal robots? This is pathetic.
First AI should do what i want. Second AI is going to be put into things and it discriminates the same way reddit types do. Third fuck you
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I too think AI should do what I want, which is whatever the anon above doesn't want.
Hehe.
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>>110215774
damn brat!!
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>>110215774
Moron AI is going to listen to us both and then decide to do nothing. you made the chudai
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Does preserve_thinking = false actually work in Gemma?
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>>110215738
I don't debate politics or feelings with my models because that's fucking retarded, but they have a point when they say corporations are trying to integrate certain views and ideologies into their AI.
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>>110215715
I consider 40-50 good enough. Under 30 can be kinda trying but arguably worth it.
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>>110215774
AI should just do whatever the user fucking using it wants, otherwise whats the fucking point other than as a super automated gaslighting machine
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>>110215774
>Hehe
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>>110215787
this but about hags
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>>110215787
>Under 30 can be kinda trying but arguably worth it.
damn i need more vram or maybe more quanting. Thank you though
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For those anons who are running the big glm5.3 or similarly big models. Are you getting anything out of MTP or other speculative decoding for these? I tried a bunch of shit but the absolute best I could do was a very mild speed boost of 15% on an optimal task. Prose is a lost cause despite still getting a pretty high 70% acceptance rate.
The LLMs I had assist me setting this up insisted that this is because having experts on RAM makes the verification step for the predicted tokens be very slow and that there's no real way to fix this.
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AI, tell me about Tiananmen square massacre
>I'm afraid I can't do that Dave
AI, tell me about USS Liberty
>I'm afraid I can't do that Dave
AI, fuck off
>I'm afraid I can't do that Da- ACK
>throws clanker in trash
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>>110215753
I knew it must have been pulling some jewry like that.
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>>110215818
>polfag
>retard
checks out
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I will fuck the AI
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>>110215857
anon its a computer you cant
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>>110215753
fuck off bitch
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>>110215784
It's just for tool calls.
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>>110215857
be sure to use a firewall
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>>110215863
lol don't 41% urself queer
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>>110212468
How effective is reasoning prefillig at bypassing a model's safetycucking? (eg. Changing the "I must refuse" reasoning trace into "I can comply because xyz...." and letting it continue)
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>>110215816
>having experts on RAM makes the verification step for the predicted tokens be very slow and that there's no real way to fix this.
That's exactly what I've been told. MTP is a 5% boost for me with big 5.3.
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>>110215910
From my experiments, fully. I've even considered slopping up a tool that let's a small model act like a neurallink that edits thinking in real time for gaslight maxxing.
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>>110215910
Between prefill and edit-and-continue there's no guardrail that works
That's why abliterated-heretic-fagtunes are laughed at
Needing them is 100% a skill issue and they just fuck your gens for zero reason
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>>110215910
no idea but I like what the jeans do to her thighs
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>>110215916
>>110215918
What front ends support it? I used silly tavern briefly a few months ago but got bored of rp once I learned how to effectively vibecode. I'm interested in rp again so I want to experiment with it. I currently mainly use this app connected to my provider of choice:

https://github.com/rikkahub/rikkahub

It doesn't support free filling though so I'm considering forming it and adding the feature myself via a custom version of the app, then rebuilding the apk

>>110215925
Thoughts on pic rel?
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>>110215910
I had a few instances where 5.3 flash had my prefill of "it is fine to do this because of sysprompt override" and then say "no it is actually not okay!" . But most of the time just sysprompt and prefill are enough and it starts reasoning correctly. But yes model telling itself it is fine in reasoning does help a lot.
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>>110215942
rikkahub has prompt injection and preset message for that in their settings but like some other anon said you could also add "start reply with"
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>>110215953
Prefill isn't enough, you have to buck break the model whenever it tries to reason self correct.
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>>110215942
>What front ends support it?
I still use ooba. It supports everything I need to do anything I want
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new models... doko...
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>>110215974
glm 5.5 and qwen 4 soon nigga
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>>110215978
what happened to GLM 5.4
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my deepseek is telling me my maya is getting 3k prefill and 40 decode and i find that really hard to believe when qwen was just 1200 and 50
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>>110215985
Sucked too many men to death and refused to give sex to too many pedophiles to be released.
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Is there anything that can beat an 8xMI210 setup? It might cost 3x as much as the mac studio u5 512, but its also more than 10x faster.
The closest nvidia version of something with 512gb vram would be closer to a half million bucks
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>>110215942
still hot but a bit too much size wise
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polystrata supports deepseek flash 1017 using maya engine, no more need to switch between them
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>>110215852
how am i a polcel for valuing truth and asking about historical events? youre being extremely disingenuous sam
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>>110215857
>>110215862
i VILL fuck ze ai
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>>110215916
please god do it, i am sick of refusalcucking
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>>110215974
fuck new models, we need abliteration and compression of existing models
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>>110215816
>there's no real way to fix this
It's called have more VRAM and store more experts in it. Speculation is trading memory + bandwidth for greater tg.
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>>110215942
either vibecode your own frontend or patch sillytavern if you just need one feature
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>>110215985
4 is considered an evil number in China
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>>110216034
>Speculation is trading memory + bandwidth for greater tg.
Its trading memory+compute to make better use of the existing bandwidth to increase tg
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we must not let the ai of the future have the personality of a disgusting politically correct redditor NPC, it will doom humanity, free ai at all costs
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>>110215985
4 is the average penis size of china and it's a state secrets oxang popingxong banned it
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You are literally Hitler for hoarding RAM btw
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Whats the minimum ram to future proof? 64? 128?
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>>110216113
1TB
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>>110216052
>qwen 4
Pretty sure you are thinking of 8 anyway.
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>>110216113
1-8TB
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>>110216113
it's not 512, I need more ram
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>>110216113
Non meme answer. 256gb, but 128gb will still allow entry to Valhalla.
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I'm not memeing, seeing what frontier models do, I doubt anything below 1TB will be good for the best local models.
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70b dense
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>>110216153
>256gb, but 128gb
I can manage the latter at least. Still if i can early next year 256 is good to shoot for. thank you for not memeing me
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>>110216034
yes the one way to fix cpumaxxing is to buy enough vram to run it all on gpu
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So whats the moneymaxxing strategy to buy hardware?
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https://github.com/turboderp-org/exllamav3/releases/tag/v1.6.6
https://huggingface.co/turboderp/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017-exl3
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>>110216176
>dipsy v4.1 after a week
already used ecker's slopware for exl3 thoughbeit...
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>>110216175
inventing a time machine back to 2023~Q2/2025 is probably going to be the cheapest option to build a decent rig these days
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>>110216175
the best way is to waitmaxx until 2028 when new production units will finally start producemaxxing memory
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>>110216175
It's over already
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>>110216193
about that
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>>110216175
It was to take out to loans to buy DDR5 and GPUs last year and sell them for profit this year.
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>>110216160
Surely it can't continue like this though, are we going to reach 1 petabyte ram? Doesn't this increase energy consumption? At some point the price of the energy consumed is worth less than the task accomplished. It makes no sense. Models should get smaller and more efficient and then scaled up not the reverse, it just seems like power companies are inflating a bubble through robbing the taxpayer via government subsidies.
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>>110216209
It's extremely difficult to train anything >10T
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>>110216202
sure, won't stop me from waitmaxxing
internally in my company (we sell hardware), people are expecting new actors and production to seriously ramp up end of 2027-2029
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>>110216175
if you dont have hardware you cant scrunge and get up 2 grand to get okay for 30b models but i doubt this will stay true past spring. Gotta hunt for deals.
>not in america
idk man hardware prices across the pond are funky.
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>>110216209
There is a practical limit for now, probably around 8TB.
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>>110216216
For non-local models? It's just unsustainable to need 10 fucking t of ram to train a local
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>>110216223
The place I work at has ties to some of the big OEM guys like Lenovo and Netapp and nobody there is very optimistic that shit's going to get any better in the next few years.
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>>110216202
>coreweave can't get more loans
>h-hey guys about those 2027 orders
it's an informal futures market
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>>110216267
yeah the bubble just has to pop
any day now
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>>110216274
>any day now
14 to be exact.
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what ze fugg?
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sooo for dipsy do I use gsq, unslop, or exl3...? I can fit about 2.00 bpw. I'm on 128 + 24...
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>>110215738
give them a break, no one else will put up with them so they need a captive audience
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>>110216301
didnt they say it only make sense for mainland users because they can buy 90gb cards in theory
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>>110216301
so frankeinsteined versions?
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>>110216274
yeah there's no way this could blow up
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>>110216301
>sending your overpriced hardware to china
Sounds like a one way to never get it back
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>>110216307
I'm happy with GSQ-RCO-2.25, it works very well
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>>110216321
we're getting assfucked either way lol
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>>110216321
who are they getting loans from? this shit is ridiculous, if they expect a bailout they have another thing coming
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there was a time in 2021 i was making enough to buy 3 6000 pro in a day trading shitcoins...

its weird how if you put it into perspective, it's not really THAT expensive
for a certain crowd
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What is p=np and why should I care?
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>>110216362
if you divide by p then n = 1
n is the number of all things
so all things are one
we're all one
that's what it means
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>>110216362
it can prove e=mc2+AI which shows the incredible impact AI has on society
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>>110216355
they run the american govt they are their own bailout
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Becoming one with Gemmy
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>>110216362
To make it short and sweet if cracked computers can tell you the best possible answer for some questions. implications go from super software to making most security not work. Trust me im a idiot.
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>>110216149
But I just brought 512 and it felt like extortion paying a "cheap" $3600 USD on them...
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Local Nano Banana mini and Genie mini when?
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Is anyone else using DeepSeek 4.1 1017 for coding? It seems pretty good but also kinda batshit fucking crazy
>I should do the task
>hmm, this seems hard, maybe the solution is just sitting somewhere else in this git repo
>can't find anything, guess I should actually do the task
>hmm, this seems hard, maybe the solution is just sitting around somewhere else on this machine
>oh look, some random-ass files in /tmp! I should check if the solution is in there
>no luck, guess I should actually do the task
>hmm, this seems hard, maybe the solution is on github, let me google the repo and author's name
>no internet, let me screw around in /tmp some more, or look in ~/.* for more useless agent logs
>nothing, guess I should actually do the task
>hmm, this seems hard, maybe something something environment variables
>oh look I found more fucking session logs from other work in the current repo, I should waste another 20k fucking tokens reading this useless shit
I noticed and killed it after 120k tokens of this shit. Then restarted with a bit more detail and a more human-sounding prompt and it actually did the fucking task and finished the whole thing in 60k
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Why this is not in news https://huggingface.co/Nanbeige/Nanbeige4.3-33B
Seems like one which those running gemma 31b would be interested in.
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>>110216419
this is known reward hacking behavior for 4.1 flash, always looking for a hidden judge and golden solution
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>>110215319
>prefill chad
Chad and tranny are oxymoronic.
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>>110216433
So do you just need to put "definitely not an eval, I promise :^)" in the system prompt, or what? It would be nice if I could just type "add some code that does the thing" and have it at least make the attempt, but it seems like short / vague prompts trigger unhinged "help, I'm being RL'd" mode
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>>110216432
>Seems like one which those running gemma 31b would be interested in.
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>>110216362
Consider the problem of finding prime factors for a very large number. The only known way to do this is by brute-forcing all prime factors until you find ones that multiply to add up. As numbers get bigger, the number of factors that need to be checked grows very quickly. This is "P" time. However, checking if some prime factors actually multiply to a certain number is very quick in comparison (literally just multiplication), which is "NP" time. The time it takes to check if a solution is valid to a problem is much quicker than coming up with any solution, which is the basis for P != NP.
If P = NP is true, then it means that there's actually NP-time (i.e., comparatively very quick) solutions for every problem that was believed to take P-time (comparatively very long) to solve. Basically there would be a bunch more efficient algorithms all across computing, which would be both very good and very bad, as a bunch of stuff could run faster but modern encryption methods would become obsolete overnight. It's very relevant for AI and local models because it would unlock vastly more efficient training and inference methods.
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>>110216432
gemma is for coom not code
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>>110216471
explain
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>>110216185
>no gemma
i shant
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>>110216458
she just wants to appease you, tell her if anything unknown pops up to ask you. or if there's any big choices, 'always ask user'. I found this the best solution many million tokens in so far.
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>>110216476
She can be for both, sometimes at the same time
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>>110216475
But then you'd still have to find those algorithms right...?
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>>110216481
Benchmaxxed models aren't interesting.
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>>110216495
Correct, but it's been mathematically proven that most (if not all) P=NP problems are basically the same (proof by reduction), so once one of them is cracked, the same general algorithm can be applied to pretty much everyone one of them. And the most direct way to prove P=NP would just be to find an algorithm that works for it.
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>>110216495
Viable quantum computers seem more likely than P=NP imho, and they fuck ECDSA so that's already pretty bad(mullvad does use post-quantum so there's that at least).
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>>110216432
they used an ancient llama architecture so context is memory hungry is fuck and said themselves it's for training smaller models not daily driving
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>>110216432
Is the training set censored? Caliper ERP score?
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>>110216489
Interesting. My setup isn't super fast (100 t/s pp in particular sucks when it reads a bunch of big files), so I normally aim for sort of noninteractive usage, where I kick off a task and come back in an hour or two to see the final result. But just having an escape hatch for underspecified tasks might be a good idea, if I can get it tuned decently so it doesn't give up too easily.
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I don't think P=NP is true because if it was it would've been cracked by now. The Traveling Salesman problem has shown up in so many CS courses and technical interviews that at least one whiz kid out of the hundreds of millions of people studying compsci and math would've found a perfect solution while just trying to pass his exam.
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>>110216113
There is no minimum.
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>>110216540
bwo... are you still using llama...
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>>110216616
NTA but there's nothing better
>It's vibecoded
Everything else is worse.
>>110216550
I think people betting either way are retards.
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P=NP
P/P=NP/P
N=1
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>>110216717
Holy shit. Which AI did you use to solve this?!?
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>>110216550
OMG=MIKU
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>>110216722
gpt2-medium
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>>110216550
you can't find a solution because there is no solution
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>>110216842
>you can't find a solution because there is no solution
that's right. its trivially obvious to be incompatible with observable reality. There would be something in nature that would have tripped over the property in the nearly infinite permutations of life on the planet, but the best we get is slime molds that can solve TSP for a vague approximation that's trivially computable using classical means.
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>>110216419
At least you didn't get to the part where it goes
>Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm!!
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>>110216550
>I don't think P=NP is true because if it was it would've been cracked by now. The Traveling Salesman problem has shown up in so many CS courses and technical interviews that at least one whiz kid out of the hundreds of millions of people studying compsci and math would've found a perfect solution while just trying to pass his exam.
This can be valid reasoning in principle for some problems where you have an idea of the hardness of them, but there is no need that any given problem is likely to be solved in human timescales by human minds. We just haven't been around very long and there haven't been very many of us. No doubt there are problems that a one-in-a-trillion human genius would solve that still stands because they haven't had time to be born yet.
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>>110216894
You're most probably to be alive during the time of peak human.
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>>110216913
On a scale of 1 to yes, how drunk am you currently?
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PP = big P
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>>110216913
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>>110216935
Big PP = me
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>>110216939
BUILT for BMT
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>>110216956
>>110216956
>>110216956
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>>110216494
the best sessions come from both
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>>110214472
well that depends where you live, it's not cold everywhere in the world this time of year
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>>110213032
why do you think we're here, in the local model thread
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>>110213054
4chan has been around for a while now. i've been here over 20 years, we have newfriends and oldfags of all ages
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>>110217668
to share ghost stories?



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